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I really hate the current setup with the E3 subform and the MMO subforum on top. Combined with the announcements and stickies, I can see a total of two threads at full screen without scrolling down (1280x800 on a laptop). Can we maybe move those to the bottom of the page instead of the top? Or just put them in subheaders in the master index?
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I suggest you buy a mouse with a scroll wheel.
Though, it may be cleaner on the code and server side of things.
Yay for my scroll wheel, I guess.
I see 4 at 1024 by 768. Are you sure you are not doing something wrong?
chair to Creation and then suplex the Void.
hive mind?
The vast majority of the initially presented real estate really should not be geared towards a small minority of the visitors.
I like the collapsable idea, or just subindex them on the main index instead of within G&T itself.
There are other things that could be done too. Suck the "Infractions" post into the rules (especially since it's not comprehensive with the rules for each forum anyway). Remove the redundant links to the index above the subforum list, set fire/unsticky to the erstwhile UK PAX thread. Etc.
Example:
-Games and Technology - Forum Group
----Sub-forums----
Games General Discussion
Technology
MMO Extraveganza
E3 Forum
Just a thought.
I mean, I'm not even sure it's a minority, let alone a small one.
So everyone who reads G&T should be inconvenienced on every single page? The E3 forum needs to be at the top because E3 doesn't last very long, but once it goes, the subforums should go at the bottom. People will realise to post there.
Not everyone has high-resolution monitors, or views G&T in full-screen (hello all Mac users).
I'm not going to stamp my feet and say it's unfair, but it is very inconvenient and really makes navigating the forum a whole bunch more difficult. You don't expect to have to scroll down pages on the BBC News just to see what the latest news is.
Information ninja edit: At a standard window size on my Mac, I start out seeing four threads that aren't the subforums or stickies. That ain't right.
It has around 10% of the traffic of G&T, and any major events or happenings end up in G&T anyway. Hell, if you go back to the "is the MMO forum a failure?" half the respondants said yes. Ergo, I think it's a safe assumption that well under half of the G&T folks use it.
I mean, really, if the MMO forum weren't there you'd be all the way up to... five... threads you'd see on the first page without scrolling. Yes, I can see how that's a tremendous difference.
If the whole div goes; I get eight threads (not including stickys). I've just doubled the amount of useful information I see.
It's just about OK on the first page, but it is rubbing salt into your eyes having to view it on every subsequent page as well.
Half a loaf is better than none.
I mean, I see no reason not to make it collapsible, but moving onto the main index because you have to scroll and that's so horribly inconvenient to you is kind of ridiculous.
You have to scroll to see below those threads, anyhow, so what difference does it make? Does your computer not scroll, so those are the only threads you have access too?
Wrong. EVE is apparently a special little snowflake, unless it's changed in the last few minutes.
I mean, that's rhetorical, because I already know the answer.
I'll have to see what else I can do without losing some of the (desirable) advertising features of subforum-listings being top-of-the-page. I might be able to get you another thread or two, perhaps.
OTHERWISE WIGGINS WILL GET SNIDE
Danke for whatever you can pull.
I didn't say the main index; I just want them at the bottom.
I will kiss your wiry corn-flake encrusted beard when you work this out.
And I'm glad the EVE thread got moved after that short delay. Wiggin, I have to admit, has a point -- they are whining like little girls who just got their pony taken away, and talking about how they'll purposely spam up the MMO subforum with needless threads. They do think they're special. :...: Note: I am also an EVE player, but I don't agree with this. (Edit: And I see Mono has now posted to reign things in, which is good.)
> turn on light
Good start to the day. Pity it's going to be the worst one of your life. The light is now on.
We are special among MMOs, and that argument was made in the original "Is the MMO forum a failure?" thread and largely ignored in favor of a fair treatment across MMOs. I understand why this is being done, even if I don't agree with it, and thus there's no reason for people to throw a fit. If Tube felt a change was needed, there was no way he was going to please everyone. This was the most fair way to do it.
And back in that thread originally, I said exactly this would happen -- we'll bitch and moan (because Eve IS a special snowflake, and this move WILL hurt that thread and community) but we're not going to actually do something stupid as a group. If anyone does, I'd hope they get IP banned and kicked from the PA corp in-game (assuming they're in it).
Wiggin has his own reasons to be bitter about the Eve thread, and I'm not surprised he was complaining about us not getting moved instantly.
On the original topic, I sincerely hope the subforums don't get moved to the bottom or off the G&T main page entirely. This is obviously because I'm one of the Eve players, and as it stands, our thread title still shows up at the top of G&T when it's got the latest post -- and as has been explained, a lot of people ONLY find Eve through G&T, so this is a fairly minimal change. Our thread title will still show up, hopefully that will be enough to draw people to check the thread out even if they don't play MMOs. Moving it out of the G&T page or (to a lesser extent) moving it to the bottom would make the concerns that Eve players had with the move quite a bit more evident, so I hope it doesn't happen.
I got lured back into playing Eve because of the EveTV threads last year, and if I hadn't also stumbled across the main Eve thread, I would probably never have known about Merch Industrial and have quit by now.
Two things have happened in as many years! Everything is being destroyed! Run! RUN! RUN!!
So, thanks for saving me some wasted time.
I posted about the issue reasonably and calmly, but no one responded to me (now, or in the original thread).
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Subforums: MMO Games, E3 Hotness
Then inside, you get rid of the new post images next to the listings for the forums up top. Really, it's a bit weird for there to be an indicator of whether or not an entire forum had one new post.
what you're posting about has nothing to do with the topic though. so, locked.