The results of hallucinogens and people with already unbalanced microchemistry is a documented fact. Trouble is it seems to be completely random and unpredictable.
Like Acid was tested early on as a medication for violent pych patients. it proved
to be very helpful to some people, do nothing to others and make other ones go totally batshit insane. Same reason it was ditched as an interrogation device it's effects were so unpredictable.
It was, but it wasn't "prescribed" in the sense that the doctor gave you a bottle of MDMA pills or a slip that you could trade for a bottle of pills at the pharmacy. It was used by some psychotherapists within their practice, they'd give a small amount to a patient to facilitate a psychotherapy session. Even then, drug-assisted psychotherapy has never been a mainstream practice, so while there's no objective way of knowing how widespread this practice was, it was probably a pretty rare thing.
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every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
This an article I think you guys would find interesting. It's a case study of using psychedelics to treat childhood schizophrenics. It's long, but I recommend reading the whole thing:
This eleven year old girl was the most difficult and challenging person we treated. When first introduced to me, she was in complete retraints twenty-four hours a day. She was in full camisole and her legs were tied to the bed. This was necessary due to her extreme self destructive behavior. If her hands were free, she would gouge out her eyes, hit herself in the head as hard as possible, bite her fingers, tear out her tongue. She was totally emaciated, covered with swellings and bruises, black eyes in sunken sockets. She was incontinent and refused to eat. She was IV fed, she looked like a beaten up, starved, wild, eighty year old woman. She made no eye contact, did not respond to any physical stimuli, attempted to make guttural noises and spit, but unsuccessfully, as she was so exhausted. The attending physician felt that she would probably die. All known drugs had been tried. It was frightening to treat her with LSD, as my concern was her extremely frail physical condition and that she might die during a session.
And treatment:
She began to attend school on half days and was able to adjust to the setting. It was hard for her to share adult attention and other children her age did not have her sophistication. She was very bright and didn't miss a thing. She had become affectionate and warm, loved to be physically touched, and smiled happily a great deal of the time. She had given up her self-destructive behavior and wanted to identify with the treatment staff and to be included in the grown-up world. Unfortunately she was often bored because there was a gross lack of stimulation available for her in the ward setting.
I prefer E to cocaine. I don't like cocaine, actually. It didnt really affect my mood much.. just made me numb, both in a "blah" way and in a "I can't feel my face" way.
Cocaines good as a booster once you've come up and plateaued on the ectasy. However, speed is a lot cheaper and has a similar effect.
Yes and it all came down to my state of mind. One time I did it after failing 2 university finals earlier that day and just had a bleh night overall. The other time I was on it with someone and they decided they wanted to leave me to go with some other people and that threw me for a really bad mood/depression that lasted well into the next day.
I tripped out on shrooms all yesterday afternoon. No hallucinations but certain patterns, like wood grain and for some reason one of my Rubik's cubes, looked quite suspect, like they were about to move but not quite. Most of the experience was psychological; my buddies and I spent a lot of time wandering around my house and backyard examining and questioning all manner of everyday crap that you normally don't think about. What's it like to be a fish? Who designed this chair and why? What do dogs think about? Why is the garden so orderly and trimmed when nature just wants to grow all over? And later, deep philosophical discussions about Life, the Universe and Everything. Often we found ourselves simply unable to describe the complex thoughts we were having. It's just surreal, and it lasts for hours.
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You don't exactly hallucinate on shrooms/LSD (though you may if you take enough, I'm not sure). You won't see things that aren't there, like an elephant walking across the room or your refridgerator walking out the door.
I smoked a bunch of opium and played croquet last night. It was kinda odd.
I've seen people kinda flip out on E a few times. One kinda got really paranoid and wouldn't come out of a walk-in closet for the whole night. Like, it was strange, everyone ended up circulating thought visiting with her. It was her first time too, and she ended up not having a horrible time, in the closet. Rolled again a couple weeks later, and was ok.
I've ate a lot of garbage, but you can't blame that on MDMA.
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what is smoking opium like? I've never had it directly at all.
You don't exactly hallucinate on shrooms/LSD (though you may if you take enough, I'm not sure). You won't see things that aren't there, like an elephant walking across the room or your refridgerator walking out the door.
I think if you eat an amount 2.5 grams or more on an empty stomach you're pretty likely to see some crazy shit, like wood grain patterns appearing to flow like rivers and objects appearing to melt or warp in front of you. There's also closed-eye visuals like geometric shapes and patterns. Unfortunately I didn't get that far, but The Mood was certainly there and it lasted for about eight hours.
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You don't exactly hallucinate on shrooms/LSD (though you may if you take enough, I'm not sure). You won't see things that aren't there, like an elephant walking across the room or your refridgerator walking out the door.
I think if you eat an amount 2.5 grams or more on an empty stomach you're pretty likely to see some crazy shit, like wood grain patterns appearing to flow like rivers and objects appearing to melt or warp in front of you. There's also closed-eye visuals like geometric shapes and patterns. Unfortunately I didn't get that far, but The Mood was certainly there and it lasted for about eight hours.
I've seen what amounts to Windows Media Player's visualizations over my field of vision for 12 hours, yes, but never flying up to heaven and playing a round of Poker with St. Peter.
Only time I've seen shit that wasn't actually there was after eating a lot of Benadryl. Swarms of insects flying out of my couch and people talking on my back porch who would disappear if I went outside. I turned the lights out to go to bed, and got lost in my living room for about 10 minutes
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Only time I've seen shit that wasn't actually there was after eating a lot of Benadryl. Swarms of insects flying out of my couch and people talking on my back porch who would disappear if I went outside. I turned the lights out to go to bed, and got lost in my living room for about 10 minutes
Hm...
It sounds like you got brain damage.
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I like that Joe Rogan is your reason to do a drug.
not that I have a problem with it. it's just funny.
"Civilization would crumble if anyone had access to pot and jet packs. Who would go in the the mortgage company when you can smoke pot and fly?"
-Joe Rogan
I like that Joe Rogan is your reason to do a drug.
not that I have a problem with it. it's just funny.
"Civilization would crumble if anyone had access to pot and jet packs. Who would go in the the mortgage company when you can smoke pot and fly?"
-Joe Rogan
You don't exactly hallucinate on shrooms/LSD (though you may if you take enough, I'm not sure). You won't see things that aren't there, like an elephant walking across the room or your refridgerator walking out the door.
I think if you eat an amount 2.5 grams or more on an empty stomach you're pretty likely to see some crazy shit, like wood grain patterns appearing to flow like rivers and objects appearing to melt or warp in front of you. There's also closed-eye visuals like geometric shapes and patterns. Unfortunately I didn't get that far, but The Mood was certainly there and it lasted for about eight hours.
Only time I've seen shit that wasn't actually there was after eating a lot of Benadryl. Swarms of insects flying out of my couch and people talking on my back porch who would disappear if I went outside. I turned the lights out to go to bed, and got lost in my living room for about 10 minutes
Dont do that shit. Benadryl will kill you. I am not shitting you.
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Over-the-counter Robotripping is so damn bad for you. Yes, I know no drugs are good for you, but Benadryl/Robitussin/Nyquil is fucking bad for you.
Only time I've seen shit that wasn't actually there was after eating a lot of Benadryl. Swarms of insects flying out of my couch and people talking on my back porch who would disappear if I went outside. I turned the lights out to go to bed, and got lost in my living room for about 10 minutes
Dont do that shit. Benadryl will kill you. I am not shitting you.
I like that Joe Rogan is your reason to do a drug.
not that I have a problem with it. it's just funny.
"Civilization would crumble if anyone had access to pot and jet packs. Who would go in the the mortgage company when you can smoke pot and fly?"
-Joe Rogan
That's just awesome.
It is my duty to maintain civilization, and protect mankind from pot and jetpacks. Membership in the secret society does have perks tho
You don't exactly hallucinate on shrooms/LSD (though you may if you take enough, I'm not sure). You won't see things that aren't there, like an elephant walking across the room or your refridgerator walking out the door.
I think if you eat an amount 2.5 grams or more on an empty stomach you're pretty likely to see some crazy shit, like wood grain patterns appearing to flow like rivers and objects appearing to melt or warp in front of you. There's also closed-eye visuals like geometric shapes and patterns. Unfortunately I didn't get that far, but The Mood was certainly there and it lasted for about eight hours.
Smoking pot will bring out the visuals more
Thats actually what triggered my above story. It was right after I smoked weed, while on mushrooms.
Hopefully this isn't buried somewhere upthread, I'm not wading through 400 posts.
Anyone else been tuned in to someone enough while tripping that you could more or less finish each other's sentences, or communicate 90% non-verbally? Never had a good organic brain explanation for that one, in contrast to the music enhancement, CEV/OEV, emotional lability, etc. that one experiences on these drugs.
"The researchers said they couldn't prove that marijuana use itself increases the risk of psychosis, a category of several disorders with schizophrenia being the most commonly known."
My take on Drugs: I am ALL for a grown adult putting whatever other substances they want to use/abuse into their system as long as it will affect only them and them only. Problem is, some of them will probably use it irresponsibly and drive to work high on crank or something and end up making a huge ass crash. And that's just talking about the adults, teens will probably go real heavily into coke and shit and get date raped/etc.
If I was in charge though, I would make for tough ass punishments for irresponsible behavior. Driving drunk? Okay, now you are banned for driving, permanently, for life. No if's, and's or but's. If you are a negligent parent doing coke all the time while your 3 year old starves; you get an all expense paid try to prison for 20 years. At least for the first few years, it will be bad, but with a system like this, we can at least keep the assholes down while having everyone else enjoying new freedoms with the knowledge that it is kept well supervised. Drugs aren't my thing, neither is smoking, nor drinking; but if you want to do it, go right ahead. I have no problems with it unless it affects me directly in a serious manner, as opposed to what other people bitch about; mild inconveniences like having to drive a drunk friend home so he doesn't crash anywhere.
It turns out weed may not be as harmless as people think.
This is just a review of previously published papers.
None of these studies can readily separate cause from effect; are people predisposed to being psychotic more likely to seek drugs in the first place, or to use them heavily? Drug-seeking behavior is noted in a number of DSM-IV diagnoses.
You do realize of course that that's exactly the kind of logic used in D.A.R.E. to teach kids that smoking a joint will turn you into a crack-head, right? Do I have to explain how a correllation/causation error works or are we good here?
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The scientists found a more disturbing outlook for "heavy users" of pot, those who used it daily or weekly: Their risk for psychosis jumped to a range of 50 percent to 200 percent.
Yeah, a 200% probability huh?
For those of you who weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling, there is no such thing as probability 2.0, if you get that answer it's because you did something wrong.
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Like Acid was tested early on as a medication for violent pych patients. it proved
to be very helpful to some people, do nothing to others and make other ones go totally batshit insane. Same reason it was ditched as an interrogation device it's effects were so unpredictable.
Barbituates were pretty common in the 50s.
It was, but it wasn't "prescribed" in the sense that the doctor gave you a bottle of MDMA pills or a slip that you could trade for a bottle of pills at the pharmacy. It was used by some psychotherapists within their practice, they'd give a small amount to a patient to facilitate a psychotherapy session. Even then, drug-assisted psychotherapy has never been a mainstream practice, so while there's no objective way of knowing how widespread this practice was, it was probably a pretty rare thing.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
Link
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And treatment:
Cocaines good as a booster once you've come up and plateaued on the ectasy. However, speed is a lot cheaper and has a similar effect.
Fuck you! I never needed drugs to be an asshole.
Cause man, I had a fucked up night last night.
Like when I did it, my emotions were swinging up and down uncontrollably. I've never had that happen... and my two friends who did it were fine.
Kinda freaked me out.
Yes and it all came down to my state of mind. One time I did it after failing 2 university finals earlier that day and just had a bleh night overall. The other time I was on it with someone and they decided they wanted to leave me to go with some other people and that threw me for a really bad mood/depression that lasted well into the next day.
I've seen people kinda flip out on E a few times. One kinda got really paranoid and wouldn't come out of a walk-in closet for the whole night. Like, it was strange, everyone ended up circulating thought visiting with her. It was her first time too, and she ended up not having a horrible time, in the closet. Rolled again a couple weeks later, and was ok.
I've ate a lot of garbage, but you can't blame that on MDMA.
my favorite thing about painkillers is how long they last, so that's a bit of a bummer.
but I like that combo all in one.
I've seen what amounts to Windows Media Player's visualizations over my field of vision for 12 hours, yes, but never flying up to heaven and playing a round of Poker with St. Peter.
yea ive found opium to be pretty weak sauce compared to oxycodone (although im told thats weak sauce compared to heroin).
however i would suggest neither to anyone who cannot practice self control.
Hm...
It sounds like you got brain damage.
well, definitely. but I like oxy a lot and would like to try anything similar.
They expressed whatever mood I was in. Laughing if I was laughing, calm (think
I could still see everything that was actually there, its like there was a transparent layer of these faces over everything though.
It was awesome
i dunno, if you like oxy i think you may be a bit disappointed in opium
"Civilization would crumble if anyone had access to pot and jet packs. Who would go in the the mortgage company when you can smoke pot and fly?"
-Joe Rogan
That's just awesome.
Smoking pot will bring out the visuals more
Dont do that shit. Benadryl will kill you. I am not shitting you.
Also it doesn't work very well for allergies.
It is my duty to maintain civilization, and protect mankind from pot and jetpacks. Membership in the secret society does have perks tho
Thats actually what triggered my above story. It was right after I smoked weed, while on mushrooms.
It turns out weed may not be as harmless as people think.
Anyone else been tuned in to someone enough while tripping that you could more or less finish each other's sentences, or communicate 90% non-verbally? Never had a good organic brain explanation for that one, in contrast to the music enhancement, CEV/OEV, emotional lability, etc. that one experiences on these drugs.
"The researchers said they couldn't prove that marijuana use itself increases the risk of psychosis, a category of several disorders with schizophrenia being the most commonly known."
Hmmmm..
If I was in charge though, I would make for tough ass punishments for irresponsible behavior. Driving drunk? Okay, now you are banned for driving, permanently, for life. No if's, and's or but's. If you are a negligent parent doing coke all the time while your 3 year old starves; you get an all expense paid try to prison for 20 years. At least for the first few years, it will be bad, but with a system like this, we can at least keep the assholes down while having everyone else enjoying new freedoms with the knowledge that it is kept well supervised. Drugs aren't my thing, neither is smoking, nor drinking; but if you want to do it, go right ahead. I have no problems with it unless it affects me directly in a serious manner, as opposed to what other people bitch about; mild inconveniences like having to drive a drunk friend home so he doesn't crash anywhere.
This is just a review of previously published papers.
None of these studies can readily separate cause from effect; are people predisposed to being psychotic more likely to seek drugs in the first place, or to use them heavily? Drug-seeking behavior is noted in a number of DSM-IV diagnoses.
You do realize of course that that's exactly the kind of logic used in D.A.R.E. to teach kids that smoking a joint will turn you into a crack-head, right? Do I have to explain how a correllation/causation error works or are we good here?
Edit: Yeah, a 200% probability huh?