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Recomend Some Playstation RPGS!
MichaelLCIn what furnace was thy brain?ChicagoRegistered Userregular
Pick up all the Final Fantasy's for the PS1. Despite what the fanboys and raving lunatics shout, I really don't think a single one of them is bad (and that goes for all the other numbered FF's too, except for FFXI).
As far as what game you should start with, I'd probably say Final Fantasy VIII. I love FFVII but it hasn't aged well at all, the graphics look rubbish and the translation is terrible. FFVIII had a much better translation and still IMO holds up graphically.
Other PS1 RPG's I'd recommend include:
Suikoden
Suikoden II (may cost a bit though)
Star Ocean 2
Vagrant Story
Breath of Fire IV
Vandal Hearts
Vandal Hearts II
PS2 RPG's I'd recommend include:
Final Fantasy X
Final Fantasy X-2
Final Fantasy XII
Dragon Quest VIII
Kingdom Hearts
Kingdom Hearts II
Disgaea
Makai Kingdom
Suikoden V
Shadow Hearts: Covenant
Rogue Galaxy
Dark Cloud 2 (also called Dark Chronicle)
Breath of Fire V: Dragon Quarter
I was going to make a thread just like this last night. I completely skipped the Playstation and Playstation 2 era and just got back into consoles with my 360 and PS3...
I agree with everything Unco-ordinated said, except the bit about FF8. I thought it was a bit more tedious than other FFs, because of the need to draw out 100 of every new spell every time you found it. He's right about FF7's awful, awful graphics, though. I thought they were ugly even for the time.
I have to second the Final Fantasy Tactics recommendation, because it's made by a combination of the Tactics Ogre team and a couple of FF veterans. It's easily my favorite SRPG of the generation, and its graphics have aged surprisingly well for low-res sprites. You might also try Kartia if you're into the SRPG thing.
I liked Grandia a lot. The characters were pretty goofy, but I remain adamant that it the Grandia series has the best battle and avoidance of random battle systems ever.
Chrono Cross is also a good bet, while the story stops making sense long before the end of the game, the battle system is reallly fun and it's fairly open-ended for a JRPG
The one PS RPG I always go back to is Azure Dreams. It's basically a weak Pokemon/Fushigi No Dungeon game with some light dating and town building elements. Homosexual content removed of course.
Final Fantasy IX is far and above the best jRPG on the system. If it weren't so deep and involved, I would replay it at least once a year. Great characters, good storyline (as far as Final Fantasies go), fun character development and combat system (though there are some legitimate complaints about being forced to use underpowered items in order to gain useful skills), and wonderful graphics.
Final Fantasy Tactics is also great, though about half way through the game it's possible to have maxed out your characters and basically annihilate the rest of the game.
I really enjoyed Breath of Fire III, though some swear IV is better.
Final Fantasy Chronicles has both Final Fantasy IV and Chrono Trigger, so if you missed those on the SNES, you should pick them up. Anthologies also has Final Fantasy V and VI, but it suffers from serious load times. FF1 and 2 are on the system as well, but they've been remade several times since then, and are wholly better experiences on those platforms.
And uh... Dragon Quest VII was on the PS1, wasn't it? Maybe that's worth looking into.
i don't understand the hate for 8, i liked it a lot.
but then again i liked FFX too.
Both of those are some of the best final fantasies. Only 6 and 7 are better, in my opinion.
Of course, FF 8 and X haters are like Halo haters, extremely loud, because they are a small minority.
8 was crippled by trying to take the parallel levelling SaGa system, but instead of spawning new monster as you go, just used the same ones for the entire damn game. Oh yeah, and the stupidity of forcing you to grind drawing magic. So, to improve character stats, you had to grind, but you got nothing in terms of character abilities or powers for doing it. Wonderful.
And let's not forget the absurdly broken limit system.
Thankfully, I had the PC version with all its accompanying glitches and ways to skip that nonsense.
But yes, FF8 had more than its fair share of issues above and beyond "..."
I liked all of the FF's (except X2 *different form XII) but they've been mentioned. Skies of Arcadia; even though the PS2 port was a little shaky it's a fantastic game and well worth your time. The first Grandia is great; 2 is ok, 3 I found to be a little lacking but it could also simply be a shift in personal taste. The first Alundra is pretty cool though (great/evil puzzles) it's more like a Zelda clone than an RPG; I never played 2 which is apparently garbage.
Edit - with all this talk towards FFVIII I'll just add that I didn't find the drawing to be all that excessive; the bigger problem was that you couldn't cast certain spells without lowering your stats so things like flare and ultima never got used.
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i don't understand the hate for 8, i liked it a lot.
but then again i liked FFX too.
Both of those are some of the best final fantasies. Only 6 and 7 are better, in my opinion.
Of course, FF 8 and X haters are like Halo haters, extremely loud, because they are a small minority.
8 was crippled by trying to take the parallel levelling SaGa system, but instead of spawning new monster as you go, just used the same ones for the entire damn game. Oh yeah, and the stupidity of forcing you to grind drawing magic. So, to improve character stats, you had to grind, but you got nothing in terms of character abilities or powers for doing it. Wonderful.
And let's not forget the absurdly broken limit system.
Thankfully, I had the PC version with all its accompanying glitches and ways to skip that nonsense.
But yes, FF8 had more than its fair share of issues above and beyond "..."
To be fair, if you truly powergame in 8, you don't want to level up at all. I have a game on disk 4 at level 15 that I never got around to beating. As you level up, monsters get proportionally stronger, and if you get high level abilities at low level, you are insanely powerful. You *do* get more abilities and powers from grinding, you get GF abilities, which are the game's equivalent.
Personally, the fact that the system is so bizarre and abusable compared to the other final fantasies is what endeared it to me. The customization sets it apart from the horrifically boring standard JPRG fare.\
Its hard to go wrong with final fantasy, though. Only ones I would die rather than playing are X-2 and 11.
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AJRSome guy who wrestlesNorwichRegistered Userregular
edited July 2007
There's no mention of Shin Megami Tensei in this thread. For shame.
I'll just list PS2 games for now.
Shin Megami Tensei: Digital Devil Saga 1 & 2
Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne
Breath of Fire: Dragon Quarter
The Shadow Hearts series.
Star Ocean: Till the End of Time
Final Fantasy X & XII
Grandia II
EDIT - And despite the hate, FFX-2 was a really fun game.
I agree with everything Unco-ordinated said, except the bit about FF8. I thought it was a bit more tedious than other FFs, because of the need to draw out 100 of every new spell every time you found it. He's right about FF7's awful, awful graphics, though. I thought they were ugly even for the time.
I have to second the Final Fantasy Tactics recommendation, because it's made by a combination of the Tactics Ogre team and a couple of FF veterans. It's easily my favorite SRPG of the generation, and its graphics have aged surprisingly well for low-res sprites. You might also try Kartia if you're into the SRPG thing.
There is nothing at all in the game that forces you to do that. It's not the game's fault that you have OCD.
FF8 is by far the least tedious game in the entire series, mostly because of that GF ability that got rid of random encounters and the fact that you didn't have to level grind.
Valkyrie Profile for the PS1 and Valkyrie Profile 2 for the PS2
Disgaea and Digaea 2 for PS2 are both worth finding since they're awesome, as is Phantom Brave and if you like those then watch out for Soul Cradle later this year.
Odin Sphere is a must as are the Final Fantasy games (get tactics, even if you have to kill for it)
Oh, Chrono Cross aint so bad either, as long as you don't expect it to be anywhere near as good as Chrono Trigger. (srsly, Star Ocean 2)
Meh. Star Ocean 2 and Xenogears have aged terribly. You take for advantage such things as relative menu simplicity and speed of battle these days. SO2 and Xenogears... while okay for their time... are now clunky and unwieldy beasts.
Anyway, I'll take over RSP's spot and mention Tales of Eternia. Pretty much the best Tales game released. The battle system isn't quite as well designed as the later iterations, but it's got the best story of the series and was where the jump happened between the really basic first two and the more involved and combo intensive stuff starts.
I admit I didn't get far into X2; it was the fact that you had to sit through every transformation cut-scene at least once and the fact that if you wanted the best ending you needed to go through the game with a strategy guide that turned me off.
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Meh. Star Ocean 2 and Xenogears have aged terribly. You take for advantage such things as relative menu simplicity and speed of battle these days. SO2 and Xenogears... while okay for their time... are now clunky and unwieldy beasts.
Anyway, I'll take over RSP's spot and mention Tales of Eternia. Pretty much the best Tales game released. The battle system isn't quite as well designed as the later iterations, but it's got the best story of the series and was where the jump happened between the really basic first two and the more involved and combo intensive stuff starts.
Star Ocean 2's battles last like all of 5 seconds. Even bosses. I watched my buddy beat it, he killed the final boss in aprox. 10 seconds.
I admit I didn't get far into X2; it was the fact that you had to sit through every transformation cut-scene at least once and the fact that if you wanted the best ending you needed to go through the game with a strategy guide that turned me off.
The need for the guide was pretty dang crappy. The transformation scenes gave me orgasms and I'm not even equipped to get those.
Oh, Chrono Cross aint so bad either, as long as you don't expect it to be anywhere near as good as Chrono Trigger. (srsly, Star Ocean 2)
Meh. Star Ocean 2 and Xenogears have aged terribly. You take for advantage such things as relative menu simplicity and speed of battle these days. SO2 and Xenogears... while okay for their time... are now clunky and unwieldy beasts.
Anyway, I'll take over RSP's spot and mention Tales of Eternia. Pretty much the best Tales game released. The battle system isn't quite as well designed as the later iterations, but it's got the best story of the series and was where the jump happened between the really basic first two and the more involved and combo intensive stuff starts.
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As far as what game you should start with, I'd probably say Final Fantasy VIII. I love FFVII but it hasn't aged well at all, the graphics look rubbish and the translation is terrible. FFVIII had a much better translation and still IMO holds up graphically.
Other PS1 RPG's I'd recommend include:
Suikoden
Suikoden II (may cost a bit though)
Star Ocean 2
Vagrant Story
Breath of Fire IV
Vandal Hearts
Vandal Hearts II
PS2 RPG's I'd recommend include:
Final Fantasy X
Final Fantasy X-2
Final Fantasy XII
Dragon Quest VIII
Kingdom Hearts
Kingdom Hearts II
Disgaea
Makai Kingdom
Suikoden V
Shadow Hearts: Covenant
Rogue Galaxy
Dark Cloud 2 (also called Dark Chronicle)
Breath of Fire V: Dragon Quarter
Wild Arms
Star Ocean 2
Every Final Fantasy including tactics
Vagrant Story
The Legend of Dragoon
Legend of Mana
Just off the top of my head
Edit: Shit, how did I forget Chrono Cross
Final Fantasy Tactics
Breath of Fire 3 and 4
Star Ocean 2
Xenogears
I have to second the Final Fantasy Tactics recommendation, because it's made by a combination of the Tactics Ogre team and a couple of FF veterans. It's easily my favorite SRPG of the generation, and its graphics have aged surprisingly well for low-res sprites. You might also try Kartia if you're into the SRPG thing.
IX is pretty good though and is probably one of the best looking Playstation 1 games ever.
but then again i liked FFX too.
Oh! Persona 2!! OMG TOTALLY and what have you.
Final Fantasy Tactics is also great, though about half way through the game it's possible to have maxed out your characters and basically annihilate the rest of the game.
I really enjoyed Breath of Fire III, though some swear IV is better.
Final Fantasy Chronicles has both Final Fantasy IV and Chrono Trigger, so if you missed those on the SNES, you should pick them up. Anthologies also has Final Fantasy V and VI, but it suffers from serious load times. FF1 and 2 are on the system as well, but they've been remade several times since then, and are wholly better experiences on those platforms.
And uh... Dragon Quest VII was on the PS1, wasn't it? Maybe that's worth looking into.
Both of those are some of the best final fantasies. Only 6 and 7 are better, in my opinion.
Of course, FF 8 and X haters are like Halo haters, extremely loud, because they are a small minority.
8 was crippled by trying to take the parallel levelling SaGa system, but instead of spawning new monster as you go, just used the same ones for the entire damn game. Oh yeah, and the stupidity of forcing you to grind drawing magic. So, to improve character stats, you had to grind, but you got nothing in terms of character abilities or powers for doing it. Wonderful.
And let's not forget the absurdly broken limit system.
Thankfully, I had the PC version with all its accompanying glitches and ways to skip that nonsense.
But yes, FF8 had more than its fair share of issues above and beyond "..."
Edit - with all this talk towards FFVIII I'll just add that I didn't find the drawing to be all that excessive; the bigger problem was that you couldn't cast certain spells without lowering your stats so things like flare and ultima never got used.
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By a little shaky, you mean, of course, a little non-existent.
Red'd for my barfing hatred of drawing spells.
For three hours a pop.
Granted I only played through the DC version; was it really that bad?
*Edit - Oh right; it was ported to cube not PS2 :P
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To be fair, if you truly powergame in 8, you don't want to level up at all. I have a game on disk 4 at level 15 that I never got around to beating. As you level up, monsters get proportionally stronger, and if you get high level abilities at low level, you are insanely powerful. You *do* get more abilities and powers from grinding, you get GF abilities, which are the game's equivalent.
Personally, the fact that the system is so bizarre and abusable compared to the other final fantasies is what endeared it to me. The customization sets it apart from the horrifically boring standard JPRG fare.\
Its hard to go wrong with final fantasy, though. Only ones I would die rather than playing are X-2 and 11.
I'll just list PS2 games for now.
Shin Megami Tensei: Digital Devil Saga 1 & 2
Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne
Breath of Fire: Dragon Quarter
The Shadow Hearts series.
Star Ocean: Till the End of Time
Final Fantasy X & XII
Grandia II
EDIT - And despite the hate, FFX-2 was a really fun game.
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You're a fool. X-2 was fantastic.
I'm gonna have to plug summoner as usual.
Atmosphere is the most important feature of any RPG to me. When you start up X-2, you get blasted with vapid JPop music. It and me aren't a good fit.
FF8 is by far the least tedious game in the entire series, mostly because of that GF ability that got rid of random encounters and the fact that you didn't have to level grind.
rikku's cleavage and the battle system were the only good things about that game.
Disgaea and Digaea 2 for PS2 are both worth finding since they're awesome, as is Phantom Brave and if you like those then watch out for Soul Cradle later this year.
Odin Sphere is a must as are the Final Fantasy games (get tactics, even if you have to kill for it)
And then you get to beat up the person responsible for the vapid JPop music immediately after it finishes.
Star Ocean 2
Xenogears
Star Ocean 2
Final Fantasy 7
Star Ocean 2
Final Fantasy Tactics
aaaaaandd....
Star Ocean 2
Oh, Chrono Cross aint so bad either, as long as you don't expect it to be anywhere near as good as Chrono Trigger. (srsly, Star Ocean 2)
Unless you really like battle slowdown.
Meh. Star Ocean 2 and Xenogears have aged terribly. You take for advantage such things as relative menu simplicity and speed of battle these days. SO2 and Xenogears... while okay for their time... are now clunky and unwieldy beasts.
Anyway, I'll take over RSP's spot and mention Tales of Eternia. Pretty much the best Tales game released. The battle system isn't quite as well designed as the later iterations, but it's got the best story of the series and was where the jump happened between the really basic first two and the more involved and combo intensive stuff starts.
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Gogogo 7 point combos.
Star Ocean 2's battles last like all of 5 seconds. Even bosses. I watched my buddy beat it, he killed the final boss in aprox. 10 seconds.
The 2d graphics stand up pretty decently, too.
I'm not a big fan, but its got quite a following.
He didn'tr say it was a bad game, just that he'd rather die then play it.
I don't see how because RPG + playing dress-up = GOD but different opinions yadda yadda etc etc
The need for the guide was pretty dang crappy. The transformation scenes gave me orgasms and I'm not even equipped to get those.
I think both have aged better than Seven