I liked how Dean was going to turn his back on her, I mean she did fuck herself with this one. So I wonder who she killed, I am figuring her father. He was probably a hunter who trained her to do deal with the damned, and then he got corrupted or something and she had to kill him.
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Yes, last episode was fantastic, just saw it over the weekend on the PVR. Supernatural is very quickly becoming one of my absolute must-see shows, along with Heroes.
Gordan and his pal are finally dead, also man Sam is getting pretty bad-ass.
I'm surprised they killed him off but I guess hes been built up to be too good a hunter for them to evade him for very long and as shown, he'd just resort to other means to get them to come to him
Gordan and his pal are finally dead, also man Sam is getting pretty bad-ass.
I'm surprised they killed him off but I guess hes been built up to be too good a hunter for them to evade him for very long and as shown, he'd just resort to other means to get them to come to him
Add in the fact that Gordan is really evil now when he was a vampire. He killed his buddy because he still wanted to kill Sam. I'm pretty sure with his skills he could have just broken his arm and run away and not outright kill him.
But I always hated Gordan so I thought this episode was cool. Also we get to see what exactly Sam can do wth barbed wire.
I love this show. Have since day one. Wasn't too sure about it when it was first announced, but the first couple of episodes won me over when I saw the writers actually did their research on the phenomena the characters encounter.
Plus, it's funny as hell.
Last night's episode spoiler.
When Sam decapitated Gordon with the barbed wire and it showed Sam's hands being cut up in the process, I almost expected him to realize that, in the process, Gordon's blood had gotten on his cut-up hands. I'm glad they didn't do it, but man...that would be awesome.
I love this show. Have since day one. Wasn't too sure about it when it was first announced, but the first couple of episodes won me over when I saw the writers actually did their research on the phenomena the characters encounter.
Plus, it's funny as hell.
Last night's episode spoiler.
When Sam decapitated Gordon with the barbed wire and it showed Sam's hands being cut up in the process, I almost expected him to realize that, in the process, Gordon's blood had gotten on his cut-up hands. I'm glad they didn't do it, but man...that would be awesome.
Sam would be the all uber, has some demon blood and now vampire blood in him. What else then would they be able to add? Werewolf? :P
So are people watching this and not commenting? Tonights episode was fucking amazing people, chat more.
Lots of good jokes, lots of heavy action. I personally agree more with Dean's actions than Sam's. They only lost two more people than they would have otherwise and they didn't know she was gonna get all pissy and be a baby about it.
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Was last night the season finale?
First off, it was very, very awesome.
Lilith is the fucking hardcore-est. Something about small childred with demonic power just appeals to me in a science fiction sense
Lilith is the fucking hardcore-est. Something about small childred with demonic power just appeals to me in a science fiction sense
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Second, I feel really bad for
the virgin
Especially considering how much sex she was gonna have. Presumably with Dean.
It was the finale I think before the strike ended. As it is, there's supposed to be like 4-6 episodes in April/May I think now, along with a few other series.
Also, Ruby's plan would have cost them one of their best allies which would have fucked them over a lot more.
Hendrickson (or appeared to, I'm still not sure everyone died in there). There was a lot of potential in his storyline.
I'm really hoping it turns out he's not dead. We didn't see a body, and the same news report that stated he was dead also stated that Sam and Dean were dead, so I think it's at least feasible we'll see him again.
They had a voiceover at the beginning of the episode that said something "there's way too many demons and nowhere near enough hunters to go around." I was thinking we'd end up seeing Henrickson leading some sort of federal hunter team down the road.
Ok resurrecting this to discuss plot points in the coming episodes.
About Bella and the colt.
I have to say I hate bella, but I believe she is trying to make a deal to save dean with the colt. When they called her she said they didn't know her and acted indignant about selling it. We know she owes the winchesters and she does like dean. So she has the potential to be a saving force and redeem her horrible character.
About Ruby and demons in general
I think she is more then she is letting on, she doesn't know why she isn't evil like the others yet she is helping the winchesters and seems to have her fingers on the pulse of things out there. I figure she is some kind of warden assigned by hell to get the lost demons back. We don't know much about the place other then its a place of eternal torment. She seemed all to willing to send herself back there, I figure because she could get back out with relative ease.
About Sam
As shown by the trixter he's Travis Bickle in a dress, a psycho in hiding, without dean, Sam becomes a lot more focussed and like their father. It almost stands to reason its better for demons to get dean to stick around because a sam without dean is a man without a concience. He'd do whatever he had to, and kill whatever got in his way.
So thoughts?
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Sam without Dean is a man with nothing to lose, hence why he'd probably go off the deep end.
I also hate Bella. Though I'd still have angry sex with her.
EDIT: I'm inclined to believe that Ruby was willing to make that choice because she has some knowledge of how important Sam and/or Dean may be. Or she was just trying to influence their decision regarding the virgin.
Sam without Dean is a man with nothing to lose, hence why he'd probably go off the deep end.
I also hate Bella. Though I'd still have angry sex with her.
EDIT: I'm inclined to believe that Ruby was willing to make that choice because she has some knowledge of how important Sam and/or Dean may be. Or she was just trying to influence their decision regarding the virgin.
I dunno I think the implication from the Trixter is that Sam is already like that, Dean just kind of keeps it in check (which is a funny reversal since Dean was always the kill em all type).
I just suspect that hells higher ups don't like the way things have played out, they let Sam be resurrected, they let their father out, something tells me all the demons running around aren't exactly welcome by some of the members down under. Ruby seems to know a bit too much about how to kill demons or banish them to just be a regular foot soldier (even yellow eyes didn't have a weapon for killing demons we saw yet ruby has been able to come up with 2).
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Is she a fallen angel, biblical Lillith, or maybe just a more powerful demon?
My wife is a Dean freak. I'm not a mega fan, but I like his character progression. Jensen is a very good actor.
I'm not entirely sure I like the "Grr! Angry! Kill!" Sam, but his downward spiral is cool. I just hope they don't rush it.
Is she a fallen angel, biblical Lillith, or maybe just a more powerful demon?
My wife is a Dean freak. I'm not a mega fan, but I like his character progression. Jensen is a very good actor.
I'm not entirely sure I like the "Grr! Angry! Kill!" Sam, but his downward spiral is cool. I just hope they don't rush it.
I figure Lillith is what Sam was supposed to be, a child that was corrupted by Yellow Eyes blood and has embraced the dark side as it were. I didn't see Sam as grr angry kill, more like a practiced pyschopath, like Gordon Walker.
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Sam without Dean is a man with nothing to lose, hence why he'd probably go off the deep end.
I also hate Bella. Though I'd still have angry sex with her.
EDIT: I'm inclined to believe that Ruby was willing to make that choice because she has some knowledge of how important Sam and/or Dean may be. Or she was just trying to influence their decision regarding the virgin.
I dunno I think the implication from the Trixter is that Sam is already like that, Dean just kind of keeps it in check (which is a funny reversal since Dean was always the kill em all type).
I just suspect that hells higher ups don't like the way things have played out, they let Sam be resurrected, they let their father out, something tells me all the demons running around aren't exactly welcome by some of the members down under. Ruby seems to know a bit too much about how to kill demons or banish them to just be a regular foot soldier (even yellow eyes didn't have a weapon for killing demons we saw yet ruby has been able to come up with 2).
Their motives were very different though. Yellow Eyes wanted to propagate the demon race and have it run rampant. Killing his bretheren doesn't exactually promote such a plan. Ruby seems to dislike them or at least most of them.
Watched the finale(ish) last night. God i love this show.
Hendricks
Pissed that they "killed" him (Cat may be right). It totally felt like they were setting him up to be a hunter, possibly even Dean's temporary replacement after he dies (i feel like IF they let dean die and go to hell, they'd come up with some way to bring him back) especially with all the "just like me" comments between Dean and him.
Like Preach pointed out, the role reversal between Dean and Sam at the begining, and them now, is pretty fantastic. They did it over a LONG time and never too heavy handed.
Bella
I kinda like Bella, and I don't know why. I like the idea that she is trying to trade the cult for Dean's life/soul. That would do a great job of adding a dimension to her character and dodging the bullet that they set up for Dean's death in a way that doesn't seem contrived.
Ruby
When i first saw Ruby, I thought she was probably something like the #2 or 3 demon in Hell. I'm not sure why, but the whole "having a weapon to kill demons" and plotting to disrupt other demons plans thing struck me as something a powerful, scheming demon would do. Something trying for a power play in Hell by destroying someone else's plan. As time goes on though, i'm really not sure.
Also, I'm pretty sure Ruby's spell wouldn't have banished the demons (someone said she offered it cause she could come back easily), she said kill. She also critisized them for exorcising the demons and "letting them run and tell the boss what's up" (which is what brought Lilith). I think she really was offering a way to kill, permanently, all those demons, and herself. Not sure what to make of this.
Might have more thoughts later. Damn i love this show.
Also, the Sherrif/deputy lines were fantastic. As soon as the guy said it, in my head i said Dean's line. It was so cheesy awesome perfect. And he looked so pleased with himself. Love it.
Yeah I was with the Satan line until the one demon said that Ruby was her follower. I just don't buy that Ruby is normal, I think she is playing the Winchesters. Everytime she has shown weakness or that she is a normal demon its been in front of the winchesters, she also seems to tell each one a different thing. She told Dean she can't save him, but didn't tell sam. She told Sam there is a demon gunning for him, etc.
Another thing that strikes me about the demons is who got out, we can assume yellow eyes army was aware of what was going on and got out when the gate was open. How did Ruby who we can only assume was against them get out? And for that matter their father? Someone is stacking the deck here (letting out father winchester to take out yellow eyes is a good move, they knew who he'd go after before moving on). We haven't heard mention of Satan except for the cross roads demon mentioning her boss. Maybe he isn't down with all his little minions causing problems.
Also where does the trixter fit in, obviously he was playing with sam about deans death (I figure he was the voice of "bobby" in the little montage they did). Why would he help the winchesters? Maybe what he really wanted to know was what would happen if Dean is not there and inform his superiors? It certainly didn't seem to work out for demonkind if Dean Winchester is not there for Sam. Even when Dean was killed by random joe blow, just imagine if a demon did it.
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It was the final episode of season 2. When the gate opened he attacked yellow eyes, after yellow went down, he blinked out in a flash of yellow like that ghost woman who couldn't accept she was dead. So no long term consequences because he most likely moved on to a better place.
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It was the final episode of season 2. When the gate opened he attacked yellow eyes, after yellow went down, he blinked out in a flash of yellow like that ghost woman who couldn't accept she was dead. So no long term consequences because he most likely moved on to a better place.
Nice, thanks for the reminder.
Also, yeah, I kinda though Ruby might have been Satan at first, but then i figured it was more likely that she was trying to usurp Satan.
Every time i read about Hell in a book the idea of power plays and "political" intrigue style double crossings always comes to mind.
It was the final episode of season 2. When the gate opened he attacked yellow eyes, after yellow went down, he blinked out in a flash of yellow like that ghost woman who couldn't accept she was dead. So no long term consequences because he most likely moved on to a better place.
Nice, thanks for the reminder.
Also, yeah, I kinda though Ruby might have been Satan at first, but then i figured it was more likely that she was trying to usurp Satan.
Every time i read about Hell in a book the idea of power plays and "political" intrigue style double crossings always comes to mind.
Yeah its a common theme in a lot of media regarding the place. Brimstone had hell like a prison, Constantine (the movie) had it a place of agony/parrallel to our world, I think the comic Constantine had it similar to the movie, but its been a while.
The general idea is that Satan likes ruling the place/can't leave, so he demands that people sent there have the same thing.
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Yeah we don't know much about the Supernatural version, it has the pain and suffering, but at some point people become demons. It's an interesting take.
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Well in season 2 we learn that ghosts stem from people refusing to let go, and now we learn that demons are just humans who went to hell. It seems like for most of the monsters in supernatural, they are simply man corrupted.
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Well in season 2 we learn that ghosts stem from people refusing to let go, and now we learn that demons are just humans who went to hell. It seems like for most of the monsters in supernatural, they are simply man corrupted.
Very true! In fact, the only one I can think of off the top of my head that isn't a "human" corruption (or at least wasn't explained that way) is the Djinn... And maybe the shapeshifter.
Well the trixter as well, he is more of a bad god, as were the pagan gods for the Christmas special. I'd say the shapeshifter is a human, just a genetic mutation or something similar (though they did have a weakness to only specific types of metal, so maybe more of a werewolf like situation).
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Its ok pants, I remember a lot of this stuff, forget my parents birthday.
One thing that hasn't been touched on that yellow eyes mentioned last season, the winchesters mother knew him previous to him killing her. And what happened to the black psychic lady? We have some loose ends that would be nice to be tied up.
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But I always hated Gordan so I thought this episode was cool. Also we get to see what exactly Sam can do wth barbed wire.
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Lots of good jokes, lots of heavy action. I personally agree more with Dean's actions than Sam's. They only lost two more people than they would have otherwise and they didn't know she was gonna get all pissy and be a baby about it.
First off, it was very, very awesome.
Second, I feel really bad for
Especially considering how much sex she was gonna have. Presumably with Dean.
It was the finale I think before the strike ended. As it is, there's supposed to be like 4-6 episodes in April/May I think now, along with a few other series.
Also, Ruby's plan would have cost them one of their best allies which would have fucked them over a lot more.
He did seem like a decent character and it almost sounded like they were going to branch him off as a
Still think Ruby had the wrong idea.
They had a voiceover at the beginning of the episode that said something "there's way too many demons and nowhere near enough hunters to go around." I was thinking we'd end up seeing Henrickson leading some sort of federal hunter team down the road.
I really loved the episode before this one.
Dean: "...But you didn't shoot the deputy."
He just looked so very pleased with himself. He's such a well-written and well-portrayed character.
About Bella and the colt.
I have to say I hate bella, but I believe she is trying to make a deal to save dean with the colt. When they called her she said they didn't know her and acted indignant about selling it. We know she owes the winchesters and she does like dean. So she has the potential to be a saving force and redeem her horrible character.
About Ruby and demons in general
I think she is more then she is letting on, she doesn't know why she isn't evil like the others yet she is helping the winchesters and seems to have her fingers on the pulse of things out there. I figure she is some kind of warden assigned by hell to get the lost demons back. We don't know much about the place other then its a place of eternal torment. She seemed all to willing to send herself back there, I figure because she could get back out with relative ease.
About Sam
As shown by the trixter he's Travis Bickle in a dress, a psycho in hiding, without dean, Sam becomes a lot more focussed and like their father. It almost stands to reason its better for demons to get dean to stick around because a sam without dean is a man without a concience. He'd do whatever he had to, and kill whatever got in his way.
So thoughts?
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I also hate Bella. Though I'd still have angry sex with her.
EDIT: I'm inclined to believe that Ruby was willing to make that choice because she has some knowledge of how important Sam and/or Dean may be. Or she was just trying to influence their decision regarding the virgin.
I dunno I think the implication from the Trixter is that Sam is already like that, Dean just kind of keeps it in check (which is a funny reversal since Dean was always the kill em all type).
I just suspect that hells higher ups don't like the way things have played out, they let Sam be resurrected, they let their father out, something tells me all the demons running around aren't exactly welcome by some of the members down under. Ruby seems to know a bit too much about how to kill demons or banish them to just be a regular foot soldier (even yellow eyes didn't have a weapon for killing demons we saw yet ruby has been able to come up with 2).
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My wife is a Dean freak. I'm not a mega fan, but I like his character progression. Jensen is a very good actor.
I'm not entirely sure I like the "Grr! Angry! Kill!" Sam, but his downward spiral is cool. I just hope they don't rush it.
I figure Lillith is what Sam was supposed to be, a child that was corrupted by Yellow Eyes blood and has embraced the dark side as it were. I didn't see Sam as grr angry kill, more like a practiced pyschopath, like Gordon Walker.
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Their motives were very different though. Yellow Eyes wanted to propagate the demon race and have it run rampant. Killing his bretheren doesn't exactually promote such a plan. Ruby seems to dislike them or at least most of them.
Hendricks
Like Preach pointed out, the role reversal between Dean and Sam at the begining, and them now, is pretty fantastic. They did it over a LONG time and never too heavy handed.
Bella
Ruby
Also, I'm pretty sure Ruby's spell wouldn't have banished the demons (someone said she offered it cause she could come back easily), she said kill. She also critisized them for exorcising the demons and "letting them run and tell the boss what's up" (which is what brought Lilith). I think she really was offering a way to kill, permanently, all those demons, and herself. Not sure what to make of this.
Might have more thoughts later. Damn i love this show.
Also, the Sherrif/deputy lines were fantastic. As soon as the guy said it, in my head i said Dean's line. It was so cheesy awesome perfect. And he looked so pleased with himself. Love it.
Another thing that strikes me about the demons is who got out, we can assume yellow eyes army was aware of what was going on and got out when the gate was open. How did Ruby who we can only assume was against them get out? And for that matter their father? Someone is stacking the deck here (letting out father winchester to take out yellow eyes is a good move, they knew who he'd go after before moving on). We haven't heard mention of Satan except for the cross roads demon mentioning her boss. Maybe he isn't down with all his little minions causing problems.
Also where does the trixter fit in, obviously he was playing with sam about deans death (I figure he was the voice of "bobby" in the little montage they did). Why would he help the winchesters? Maybe what he really wanted to know was what would happen if Dean is not there and inform his superiors? It certainly didn't seem to work out for demonkind if Dean Winchester is not there for Sam. Even when Dean was killed by random joe blow, just imagine if a demon did it.
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Nice, thanks for the reminder.
Also, yeah, I kinda though Ruby might have been Satan at first, but then i figured it was more likely that she was trying to usurp Satan.
Every time i read about Hell in a book the idea of power plays and "political" intrigue style double crossings always comes to mind.
Yeah its a common theme in a lot of media regarding the place. Brimstone had hell like a prison, Constantine (the movie) had it a place of agony/parrallel to our world, I think the comic Constantine had it similar to the movie, but its been a while.
The general idea is that Satan likes ruling the place/can't leave, so he demands that people sent there have the same thing.
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Very true! In fact, the only one I can think of off the top of my head that isn't a "human" corruption (or at least wasn't explained that way) is the Djinn... And maybe the shapeshifter.
Though my memory isn't perfect.
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One thing that hasn't been touched on that yellow eyes mentioned last season, the winchesters mother knew him previous to him killing her. And what happened to the black psychic lady? We have some loose ends that would be nice to be tied up.
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