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okay so now you're completely missing your point
Not really... Sure, I tend to play FPSs on the PC... unless they're not being released on the PC, and then my next choice would be the Wii, and then 360/PS3.... The times I'll play console games on 360 or PS3 are the times when the game is KZ2 or Halo 3....
I was just wondering about the whole mechanics of Metroid making it not good for Wii.... I mean... it's a FPS basically, with other elements, and it's on a system that is just excellent for it. I mean, I know it's opinion, I was just wondering what about the mechanics would make it better on a traditional console control than a game that's the same with controls that are absolutely gorgeous for the genre.
It wouldn't be better on traditional consoles, and who knows if it's better on the Wii. It worked perfectly on GameCube, except now on the Wii you move your hand to open doors
When I play tennis, I get into it.
And no I am not seriously overweight and I DO get exercise
Red Steel is a bad game. Look at the Gundam game that launched with PS3 and then tell me about its superior abilities.
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Same here... I definitely get exercise when playing Wii. It's not because I'm unfit enough that flicking my wrist makes me shed pounds, it's because I am basically playing Tennis in my TV room. I'm not just sitting around doing the minimum, I'm fucking punching out that other fucking Mii. The Bastard. Fuck you Katherine with skill level 675. I'll punch your face in so hard.....
Like that one furnace level where there's explosive pipes running from the ceiling to the floor in like fifty places. You just kinda blast all of em with the uzi and it kills 90% of the guards in the area.
Graphics do not make a bad game good. They can make an otherwise good game bad, but they can't polish a turd. However, just because graphics alone cannot make a game good doesn't mean that graphics don't matter.
Of all games, FPSes have a tendency to have the best graphics. This is important because of the perspective; in a beat-em-up like God of War, Ninja Gaiden, Shinobi, X-Men Legends, or whatever, the camera is pulled back and the player can't look at things too close-up. In puzzle games, too, the camera's usually showing a big picture. In adventure games like Final Fantasy, the user has basically zero camera control, and the really flashy stuff tends to be in cutscenes, which up until fairly recently were usually pre-rendered. FPSes, however, tend to be fast-moving, and tend to allow the player to put the camera really close to objects and world geometry. For this reason, FPSes have always pushed the real-time graphical boundaries a little harder than other genres.
So one reason why someone might not want to play an FPS on the Wii is because the graphics are lacking, and as I just said, graphics are a bigger part of FPSes than most other genres. While I'm not a fan of the dual-analog setup nearly as much as the kb/mouse, it seems that people haven't found the Wii to be much better than the dual-analog systems. The main problem seems to be that, although the pointer is great for in-place shooting, it's weaker when turning the screen and moving have to happen at the same time. This is just what I'm hearing. In general.
I still don't really understand how we still have games that don't let you remap the buttons to other options. It seems like it should be something every game has. I do realize there would be some limitations, but it seems like game developers don't even want to give you the option. The thing that I really hate is when they give you 'pre-set' choices like Setup A, Setup B, and Setup C, but none of those choices are any good. Pisses me off.
Maybe I'm just really disposed to suspending disbelief, and I can get into games and movies and TV really easily. Sure, I can always look at something critically, notice all the technical aspects of the production/game, whatever it is.... But when I'm watching or playing I completely suspend disbelief.... to a point. The control systems always get me. I find it a lot easier to suspend disbelief with the Wiimote in my hands, even if it's not a 1:1 ratio. Even if the controls are a little clunkier, not being able to quickly turn around and shoot someone who's behind me.... unless the game is designed for Wii....but the designers forgot about that, and coded it wrong.
So when I play even WiiTennis, I don't think about how the Miis will run on their own, or how all I need to do is time the shots and flick my wrist, I'm completely in the game and playing it as such. And yeah, when you're actually playing the game instead of treating it like a console and playing it as a min/maxing gamer, it's not too shabby as exercise.
Thusfar I think they're generally nunchuck for forward/back/strafe, point at edge of screen for turning. Which is kinda the issue really.
MP3 has a really small box, so I guess that's why it works so well.
once a week at the gym.
it also helps that my room is the hottest room in the house, with little AC. So when I do go nuts on Tennis I do work up a bit of a sweat.
And I mean I have lost like two pounds. But I know for a fact that I am burning calories.
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Yeah. See, I actually take care of my body, so WiiFit isn't of interest to me. Also, I already have a scale in my bathroom.
Yeah, it just that you might find that a few matches of actual tennis are way harder. You will also likely find, and I say this from a somewhat experienced background, that you cannot hit a heavy bag (hard) for even a single three-minute round. And if you do somehow make it, which is extremely unlikely, you'll need to sit down.
I can't help but mention that you said you "completely suspend disbelief...to a point." I mean...pick one. Is it completely, or is it to a point?
I can understand that suspension of disbelief is easier with more hands-on controls, though I'm going to have to trot out my old favorite, Thief 1. That game had sub-par graphics even when it came out, which was 1998. For reference, Quake 2 came out that year. The controls for Thief were almost identical to FPS games of the time. But it's the single most immersive game I've ever seen. It is, to date, the only stealth game I've seen where players actually whisper while playing it so the super-low-poly guys on the screen won't hear them. Immersion is primarily about overall design. Control scheme is part of it, but not the largest part. Also, and this actually works against the Wii, non-responsive controls or laggy controls tend to break the immersion a little bit because the player starts to feel a disconnect between himself and the game world. While the Wii has gesture-recognition as an advantage, that same gesture recognition causes an inherent lag that works as a disadvantage. What it really comes down to, though, is overall design, and Wiimote/gamepad/keyboard/mouse/whatever is a small part of that.
By using "min/max" in a derogatory way, you're expressing that anyone who really gets into the game or takes it seriously will break it.
Oh, it's two pounds and you live in a hot room? Yeah I believe that. That can be done just by sweating. A gallon of water weighs eight pounds, so if you just drop (net) a pint of water from your body, you'll drop a pound right there. Supposedly, you lose a quart of water (two pounds) per day just in the moisture that your body loses by breathing.
I'm not really convinced that that's a great method. Wasn't that was CoD did as well? Maybe it can work, who knows? Maybe MP3 will be the first Wii FPS that gets it right and then others can basically copy it.
FACE VALUE.
This isn't easy for me to do, you know.
All of the positive press that MP3 has been getting gives me a bit of hope.
edit: tButters I think Battalion Wars 2 is going to be a kick ass third person shooter. Hopefully we get some news on it in the next month or so.
Yeah, summer time bouncing in front of my TV in a hot room, I do sweat.
saying I lose weight is a bit much, but I know I burn calories playing that thing.
Its fun, I have fun. I am sure I would have fun playing the other machines too. But I have this one. The controller intrigued me and so far it has not disappointed. Granted I only have 3 games, including wii sports. but I doubt I would have many more if I had the other systems.
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Well, that's basically how you look around with the mouse in Warcraft and similar games. And it's similar to how the mouse works in PC FPSes. The problem, though, is that when you stop moving in an FPS, the expectation is that the camera stops. With a border area, that's not the case. Also, to do different degrees of fast/slow turn, you'd need to have more sensitivity in that border area, which means that the player will have to focus on that instead of what's actually on the screen.
Yeah, I do play tennis. And I know it's harder. And I do get more of a workout doing it. You seem to think that I don't do sports, and I have no idea what they're like, and that's why I think playing the Wii can be exercise. What you don't seem to understand is that I do play sports, and I think playing the Wii is a hell of a lot more exercise than playing Halo. Here's what you're missing: I'm not avoiding exercise in favor of playing the Wii, I'm avoiding sitting on my ass not moving beyond my fingers for playing Wii. So we're talking about leisure time spent on gaming, or leisure time spend on physically active gaming. Maybe it's that I've been decreasing calories, maybe it's that I've been going to the gym more since I don't have classes to attend right now, maybe it's the Wii.... or hey, here's an idea, it's a combination of factors. I don't think anyone has ever said "Just exercise is enough. Eat big macs all day and you'll lose weight if you exercise", so why is it hard to imagine a physically active video game helping to contribute to a healthy lifestyle? Tell you what, you play whatever game you want on whatever system you want, and I'll play WiiTennis on the Wii, and we'll see who gets more exercise doing it.
Granted... that was unclear. I can completely suspend disbelief in most films and most live theater. I can suspend disbelief only to a point in most video games, most of the time when I can't, it's not the game's fault, it's the controls, and while there are poorly done Wii controls, it makes it much easier to suspend disbelief.
Back to your point about graphics.... Good controls don't make a bad game good. Bad controls can ruin a good game... but adding one... Good controls can make a good game better. If the Wiimote is used correctly in a game, it can have quite a good effect... if it's used poorly, it's no better than sticks.
Yeah, I would be.... except that I'm a min/maxer myself most of the time. Even when I'm into the game, my mind is still thinking "What's the best?". I'm saying though, that if you do play like that on the Wii, you'll get a lessened experience... when dealing only with the control scheme. Other parts of the game? Min-max away.
But I was speaking to someone saying something along the lines of "waving your arms around" and saying it wouldn't be good exercise. If that's all you're doing, if you're only flicking your wrist... it is bad exercise. If you're getting into the game and using the controls to get yourself further into the game... it is none too shabby, again compared to gaming with other control schemes.
that is awesome
pretty much the strangest update yet
but I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that the fact that, so far, all of the FPSs for Wii are terrible probably has an awful lot to do with the fact that, so far, all of the FPSs for Wii were developed in a hurry and by Ubisoft
Honestly? I tend to ignore most of it. The longer the post, the greater the tendency that I'm just going to skip past it. Any post too long for me to see all of it on my screen at one time has no fucking chance.
Really. I mean, it's just a video game console. Quoting multiple posts and articulating some grand argument just makes you look like kind of a douche. There are better things to argue about.
BAM!
This is a serious question.
They argue over the best way to get money.