I’m sure everyone is well aware of the issues regarding the 360’s internal design shortcomings and the problems that it can cause. Microsoft’s reputation as a console manufacturer has been severely tarnished over recent months after rumours of a 33% hardware failure rate (aye right!) and the following knee jerk reaction to extend the 360’s warranty up to 3 years.
Today, word escaped from Asian component manufacturers that Microsoft have accelerated the planning for the redesigned Xbox 360 mainboard. Project ‘Falcon’ as it’s known internally aims to reduce the size of the main console components such as CPU & GPU from the standard 90-nanometer process down to 65-nanometer. Smaller components mean less power is required to drive the console which has the benefit of producing less heat. There is no information available at the moment to suggest the GPU will be moved from it’s current troubled location directly under the DVD-ROM drive.
Another outcome from the redesign, and possibly a more important factor is a reduction in costs. Moving from 90 to 65 nanometer fabrication could in fact reduce component costs by a staggering 50%. A price cut from Microsoft later in 2007 is widely expected and should place the 360 in a good position as we move forward in to the festive season. I would expect to see a cut of around 20% of RRP sometime between September and November when the ‘Falcon’ 360’s are set to arrive on store shelves.
Looking a little further ahead, Microsoft are expected to move to a 45-nanometer process which will reduce component size still further. Once this happens, we could expect to see a properly redesigned unit along the same lines as the PSOne and PSTwo released by Sony. Hell, they may even stick the power-brick in side.
Can I take the side off of my 360 to improve cooling? That question is offtopic and this thread is already only 1 post old. The OP.
Looks like not only is a 360 price cut on the way but a total redesign. Rumblings abound that the Halo 360 is not of the new design and thus utterly pointless (ugly as sin too).
Man, 50% cost reduction would mean a price cut is almost certainly on the cards. A big price cut too.
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ShogunHair long; money long; me and broke wizards we don't get alongRegistered Userregular
edited July 2007
Basically, when the Falcon 360 hits shelves I'll be there to buy one. I'm not cracking until that point, however. Come on Microsoft you know you want my credit card pump those bad boys out.
and even if they cut their costs by half doesn't mean they'll cut the cost to the consumer by half
Thats what I wanted to say. It's Microsoft for gods sake.
IF the 'box gets a price cut I'd consider replacing my PS2 with it but I really doubt the 50% stuff.
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Can I take the side off of my 360 to improve cooling? That question is offtopic and this thread is already only 1 post old. The OP.
Looks like not only is a 360 price cut on the way but a total redesign. Rumblings abound that the Halo 360 is not of the new design and thus utterly pointless (ugly as sin too).
Man, 50% cost reduction would mean a price cut is almost certainly on the cards. A big price cut too.
Taking off the side panel is pretty drastic. I've been cooling my XBox 360 using a house fan with a dust filter attached on the back. I have it directed to move air from the side intake to the rear. It is pretty low tech but the console never gets warm, even after hours of heavy play. The damn thing puts out more heat than my gaming PC.
I think gamers have Halo 3 to thank for the price cut delay. They must think that there are millions of people waiting for the game to release before buying a 360.
It would only drop the costs of hte affected components by about half. You'll still have all the royalties to DVD, GPU designer (ATi?) and the physical costs of other components like the sound and harddrives and dvd drives. So ya, they could drop the price, but no where near half the cost. At best $50-100 drop.
and even if they cut their costs by half doesn't mean they'll cut the cost to the consumer by half
This was posted on engadget, dailytech, and a lot of other news sites weeks ago.
This works out well for me, AC6 is out at the end of October along with a cooler cheaper Xbox 360.
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ShogunHair long; money long; me and broke wizards we don't get alongRegistered Userregular
edited July 2007
I like the timing. If the console does indeed drop around september/october that is the same time the 60 gig ps3 gets dropped. So The PS3 remains at $600 and if Microsoft loves me they'll drop the premium with the new consoles to $300, putting them even closer in Nintendo territory and in a much better position than Sony. Especially considering the holiday line-up.
I feel incredibly retarded for doing all this speculation, but that's because I want this to come true. I really do want a 360, but not quite yet...
There was something on kotaku about 4 360's being on display at the MS presentation rehersal, and then during the real one there was only 3...
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It looks almost grey... Linkage
The article actually says that while component costs could drop by 50%, they're only expecting a 20% price drop for the consumer.
Well, no shit. Microsoft wants to make money this time around, remember? Any drop is good at this point; if the difference remains a $400 X360 to a $250 Wii, the Wii is going to eat up Microsoft's one year head start.
No taking the side off probably won't improve cooling.
When you remove the side you then have to cool the entire room that the 360 is in. When the side is on, the fans vent hot air out, and the side panel keeps it out. Without that barrier, you need to keep venting the hot air further and further away until it's no longer surrounding the components you're trying to cool.
If you're going to do something stupid, chop a hole in the side of your entertainment unit and insert a high powered PC case fan there. Then take a PSU from a PC, and connect the fan to that, and plug it into the wall. Don't keep it in the same part of the entertainment unit as the fan you've added.
It's just as stupid except that now you've actually done something to improve cooling.
Alternatively you could keep it in a well ventilated spot (ie not in an entertainment unit but on top of one would be fine) and keep the power brick as far away as possible.
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The article actually says that while component costs could drop by 50%, they're only expecting a 20% price drop for the consumer.
Well, no shit. Microsoft wants to make money this time around, remember? Any drop is good at this point; if the difference remains a $400 X360 to a $250 Wii, the Wii is going to eat up Microsoft's one year head start.
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and even if they cut their costs by half doesn't mean they'll cut the cost to the consumer by half
I don't think anyone expects them to cut their price by half, but a $100 price drop would be perfectly realistic.
Thats what I wanted to say. It's Microsoft for gods sake.
IF the 'box gets a price cut I'd consider replacing my PS2 with it but I really doubt the 50% stuff.
And Disney World is nowhere in sight.
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any guesses on when the phantom price cut will happen?
I think gamers have Halo 3 to thank for the price cut delay. They must think that there are millions of people waiting for the game to release before buying a 360.
And a lot of big dudes who have been begging their wife for a while now.
This was posted on engadget, dailytech, and a lot of other news sites weeks ago.
This works out well for me, AC6 is out at the end of October along with a cooler cheaper Xbox 360.
I feel incredibly retarded for doing all this speculation, but that's because I want this to come true. I really do want a 360, but not quite yet...
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It looks almost grey...
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They brought out the Halo 360 as the fourth one.
Well, no shit. Microsoft wants to make money this time around, remember? Any drop is good at this point; if the difference remains a $400 X360 to a $250 Wii, the Wii is going to eat up Microsoft's one year head start.
But as consumers, we should care how much money they lose!
Who was the one that started this horseshit again? I need to make a new voodoo doll.
When you remove the side you then have to cool the entire room that the 360 is in. When the side is on, the fans vent hot air out, and the side panel keeps it out. Without that barrier, you need to keep venting the hot air further and further away until it's no longer surrounding the components you're trying to cool.
If you're going to do something stupid, chop a hole in the side of your entertainment unit and insert a high powered PC case fan there. Then take a PSU from a PC, and connect the fan to that, and plug it into the wall. Don't keep it in the same part of the entertainment unit as the fan you've added.
It's just as stupid except that now you've actually done something to improve cooling.
Alternatively you could keep it in a well ventilated spot (ie not in an entertainment unit but on top of one would be fine) and keep the power brick as far away as possible.
CUZ THERE'S SOMETHING IN THE MIDDLE AND IT'S GIVING ME A RASH
I'm confused. Are you guys yelling at me? All I did was state what the article said, correcting the thread's title.
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