Hurray for shedinja, I just hope no one ever uses him vs me, that would be annoying.
Good battles Veitsev, you did alot better on our second one, you may wanna try using reflect instead of light screen since most people run with physical sweepers than special ones, myself included. It was funny how alot of our guys held on with like 10 HP, and I got real lucky vs that starmie.
Hurray for shedinja, I just hope no one ever uses him vs me, that would be annoying.
Good battles Veitsev, you did alot better on our second one, you may wanna try using reflect instead of light screen since most people run with physical sweepers than special ones, myself included. It was funny how alot of our guys held on with like 10 HP, and I got real lucky vs that starmie.
I always though that focus sash was supposed to leave 1 hp. How exactly does it work?
Well tons of things can kill shedinja quickly, spikes, stealth rock, hail, sandstorm, leech seed, sharpedos, ect. He only has 1 HP so nearly any status effect you can land on him will insta kill him, I try to sort of guess what my opponent will bring out like in our first match I ran away when you brought out your roserade since it has that poison point thing or might have had leech seed.
The focus sash leaves you with 1 HP if you get 1 hit KOed by a move but only works if you have full HP, like say a weavile with paper def gets hit with a dynamic punch, he will survive with 1 HP left over if he had full HP. Now since shedinja only has 1 hp and its always full, it will always work unless its a dot attack, like burn, poison, hail, ect.
Well tons of things can kill shedinja quickly, spikes, stealth rock, hail, sandstorm, leech seed, sharpedos, ect. He only has 1 HP so nearly any status effect you can land on him will insta kill him, I try to sort of guess what my opponent will bring out like in our first match I ran away when you brought out your roserade since it has that poison point thing or might have had leech seed.
What do you recommend I do? You saw my team. I honestly thought I would have beaten you that second time but I honestly had no idea how to counter your shedinja. I knew its weaknesses but not much else.
The focus sash leaves you with 1 HP if you get 1 hit KOed by a move but only works if you have full HP, like say a weavile with paper def gets hit with a dynamic punch, he will survive with 1 HP left over if he had full HP. Now since shedinja only has 1 hp and its always full, it will always work unless its a dot attack, like burn, poison, hail, ect.
Now thats just fucking evil.
EDIT: So I probably need to equip my roserade with toxic from now on..would that do the trick?
Hey I have ways to deal with tyranitars, well mostly, honestly your team is fine, tho you do have a bit of a weavile weakness.
But really I'm like the only one who ever uses a shedinja, around here anyways, so dont try and mess up your team just to take out my one poke.
Well you did always hit me once, so my thing was used up, after that I switch out to my slowking since I know you were going to use flamethrower, after that one use on focus sash I tend to play a bit more defensive with shedinja, so I use my second annoying move, toss my bunny out there with substitute and baton pass to shedinja. Thats how you get a poor mans focus sash heh, heck I'd figured my bunny was the more annoying person of my team since I kept mixing your items up.
Hey I have ways to deal with tyranitars, well mostly, honestly your team is fine, tho you do have a bit of a weavile weakness.
But really I'm like the only one who ever uses a shedinja, around here anyways, so dont try and mess up your team just to take out my one poke.
Well I would like to be able to counter it. I am just wondering what I should change. I am not going to mess up my team or anything. It just really really frustrated me. Just wondering if my team of Blastoise, Charizard, Roserade, Salamence, Jolteon, and Starmie could make any move changes.
sorry I'd like to give you some move tips, but I'm not too familiar with the pokes you use, reflect instead of light screen would be good and perhaps you should give roserade toxic, oh and maybe give salamence rock slide, that should kill my shedinja. Other than that I dont really know.
sorry I'd like to give you some move tips, but I'm not too familiar with the pokes you use, reflect instead of light screen would be good and perhaps you should give roserade toxic, oh and maybe give salamence rock slide, that should kill my shedinja. Other than that I dont really know.
Thanks that all I really needed to know. Now I just need to get my hands on a toxic tm.
Blastoise I don't like. Focus on one attack type whenever you make a Pokemon unless you're specifically going for a special sweeper, which isn't easy to really do. Replace Earthquake with ice Beam. I'm also not a big fan of Aqua Ring. My Blastoise runs Ice Beam/Surf/Haze/Rapid Spin. Haze is a good utility move, but you'll have to rebreed.
Starmie looks good. If it's not using a Life Orb or a Choice item, I would suggest it. Starmie takes well to Choice Specs.
I hate to have a Jolteon that can't Baton Pass Agility to other guys, but setting up screens can be useful, too. If you want to keep the screens, then the Jolteon is fine.
Fly suuuuuucks. Dragon Pulse would be much better, or Air Slash for added STAB.
I don't have much experience with Roserade, but it looks good. I generally prefer Energy Ball over Giga Drain, though. That's more of a personal thing I guess. Some people like the HP drain.
Blastoise I don't like. Focus on one attack type whenever you make a Pokemon unless you're specifically going for a special sweeper, which isn't easy to really do. Replace Earthquake with ice Beam. I'm also not a big fan of Aqua Ring. My Blastoise runs Ice Beam/Surf/Haze/Rapid Spin. Haze is a good utility move, but you'll have to rebreed.
Starmie looks good. If it's not using a Life Orb or a Choice item, I would suggest it. Starmie takes well to Choice Specs.
I hate to have a Jolteon that can't Baton Pass Agility to other guys, but setting up screens can be useful, too. If you want to keep the screens, then the Jolteon is fine.
Fly suuuuuucks. Dragon Pulse would be much better, or Air Slash for added STAB.
I don't have much experience with Roserade, but it looks good. I generally prefer Energy Ball over Giga Drain, though. That's more of a personal thing I guess. Some people like the HP drain.
Well honestly I included earthquake on my Blastoise to counter electric types. A close look at my team reveals that it's only real weakness is electric pokemon. This can be thwarted with smart play but it could end up biting me in the ass. I didn't ev train my Blastoise in attack or special attack opting for HP, Def, and Special Defense. It should be able to take an electric attack (if it comes to that) and then throw back an earthquake in response. Also having two pokemons with earthquake helps the problem too. Add in leftovers and aqua ring and it might be able to recover later on. Maybe this was the wrong strategy.
Jolteon I admit could be better. I would have to re train him to get baton pass but I am considering it. I have alot of sweepers on my team and baton passing agility could really make that more deadly.
Yeah your right. I need a special attack. Thing is I already have ice beam on starmie. Do I really need two ice beaming pokemon?
And about Charizard: I had no idea about Air Slash, that rocks
Baton passing Jolteons are really useful but Jolteon has low defense and may not actually survive long enough to make that useful. Kinda tricky. Apparently he hasn't been able to learn reflect since R/B/Y (that bit of info is for kabuki)
Yeah your right. I need a special attack. Thing is I already have ice beam on starmie. Do I really need two ice beaming pokemon?
And about Charizard: I had no idea about Air Slash, that rocks
Baton passing Jolteons are really useful but Jolteon has low defense and may not actually survive long enough to make that useful. Kinda tricky. Apparently he hasn't been able to learn reflect since R/B/Y (that bit of info is for kabuki)
Having two Ice Beamers never hurt anyone. Ice does well against a lot of types and destroys those pesky dragons.
If you're worried about Jolteon's survivability, you can give him a Focus Sash to help him pass. If you can predict well, you can just Agility on switches so you don't get hit before you pass.
Yeah your right. I need a special attack. Thing is I already have ice beam on starmie. Do I really need two ice beaming pokemon?
And about Charizard: I had no idea about Air Slash, that rocks
Baton passing Jolteons are really useful but Jolteon has low defense and may not actually survive long enough to make that useful. Kinda tricky. Apparently he hasn't been able to learn reflect since R/B/Y (that bit of info is for kabuki)
Having two Ice Beamers never hurt anyone. Ice does well against a lot of types and destroys those pesky dragons.
If you're worried about Jolteon's survivability, you can give him a Focus Sash to help him pass. If you can predict well, you can just Agility on switches so you don't get hit before you pass.
As of right now I have Jolteon holding a light clay. I guess both option are pretty good. I think my team would benefit from the added defense so I think I am going to stick with what I have now. I'll battle some more and see if I need to change him.
The ice beam thing is kind of a pain though (for my ego anyways). I actually went and spent the 200,000 on ice beam at the game corner and THEN replaced it with earthquake, thinking it would be an awesome option. :x Buying ice beam again is going to make me feel like an idiot! But you are right it would make my blastoise better. My ego says replace it with something like flash cannon. Money isn't hard to come by in this game so I probably should bite the bullet.
If you post your movesets, I could try to help. I'm familiar with all your guys but Roserade.
Salamence
Brick Break
Dragon Claw
Dragon Dance
Earthquake
As much as I like Brick Break, it needs to be replaced with Flamethrower or Fire Fang (preferably the latter) to prevent shit like Skarmory from walling it.
Not a fan of aqua ring. Also, it's normally not wise to mix physical and special attacks. I'd replace EQ with Ice Beam. I have no clue what to replace AR with. Maybe a support move like Calm Mind.
I understand that Jolteon is fast and that he can throw up the barriers quickly, but he doesn't have the defensive prowess to suit the moves. You should really opt for a tank with those moves.
Flamethrower
Fly (Would aerial ace be better?)
Solar Beam
Sunny Day
If you're going to use Charizard, you need to keep that Blastoise around as it has very good synergy with it. What with Stealth Rock being so prevalent, you'll need that Rapid Spin to save Charizard from being maimed as he comes in. Replace AA with either Air Slash or Substitute.
Yeah that's a typo. Jolteon's move set actually has thunderwave instead of reflect, but the point still stands. Seems like you guys really think I should change him. Guess I will.
I think Roserade (I prefer Giga Drain for the HP gain) and Blastoise are fine (going to change it to ice beam you guys have conviced me, I am a fan of aqua ring so that stays). I'll be giving Charizard Air Slash.
Salamence is kinda tricky. I noticed that in my battle with kabuki that once my Charizard goes down I am screwed as far as fire attacks are concerned. That IS a problem. However if I remove brick break I have no way to counter walls AND I have no fighting attack on my entire team. Is it more important that I have brick break or another pokemon with a fire attack?
It's unrealistic to want to have two attacks for every different good attack type on your team. The numbers just don't allow it.
Personally I think it's good to mix up your types in a way that you have two different guys with overlapping, but not the same, strengths. Like, it's good to have one guy with fire, and one guy with fight - that way, if you run up against steel, you have two (different) ways to deal with it. Or one guy with water, and one guy with ice, so you have two ways to deal with earth.
Obviously you can't be prepared for everything, but you can try to spread your attack types around your team, so that if one guy gets taken out you won't be COMPLETELY boned agains the competition.
It's unrealistic to want to have two attacks for every different good attack type on your team. The numbers just don't allow it.
Personally I think it's good to mix up your types in a way that you have two different guys with overlapping, but not the same, strengths. Like, it's good to have one guy with fire, and one guy with fight - that way, if you run up against steel, you have two (different) ways to deal with it. Or one guy with water, and one guy with ice, so you have two ways to deal with earth.
Obviously you can't be prepared for everything, but you can try to spread your attack types around your team, so that if one guy gets taken out you won't be COMPLETELY boned agains the competition.
I also need to trust my own judgement too. Taco has a point but I think I'll keep salamence like it is.
because of this dual type, just because flying is good against bug does not mean that aerial ace will deal with all bug pokemon (like scizor). To win you actually need multiple type coverage in order to deal with various pokemon
because of this dual type, just because flying is good against bug does not mean that aerial ace will deal with all bug pokemon (like scizor). To win you actually need multiple type coverage in order to deal with various pokemon
Hmm, I just found out I can't catch any Larvitar in Pearl. That's... a problem. A minor one, but a problem nevertheless. I guess I'll have to make a substitution in my team.
Hmm, I just found out I can't catch any Larvitar in Pearl. That's... a problem. A minor one, but a problem nevertheless. I guess I'll have to make a substitution in my team.
Hmm, I just found out I can't catch any Larvitar in Pearl. That's... a problem. A minor one, but a problem nevertheless. I guess I'll have to make a substitution in my team.
Well, I've got my Larvitar now. However... my Charmanders don't seem to be taking in the Dragon Dance Egg Move from the father Gyarados. Mysterious.
EDIT: It would appear that since my Gyarados learned Dragon Dance while in the Day Care, the game didn't register it as being known until I took it out of the care, observed that it had learned the move, and then put it back into care. Now I have Charmander with Dragon Dance - and soon Larvitar with Dragon Dance.
So I was working up my Pokemons last night and just before I turn in, I head to the PC... and find that I have an outbreak of Pokerus. Good.... good...
Can anyone suggest a 6th Pokemon for me to use? My current team is Arcanine, Scyther, Tyranitar, Suicune and Salamence. They've all got really attacking movesets, so I was thinking I need something a bit different for my last Pokemon.
Well, if it's for the tournament, doesn't Suicune count as Legendary?
As for filling the void, Gengar or another Ghost type might be a solid choice.
I don't think i'll be entering the tournament, i'm starting a new job this week and i'm not sure if i'll have enough time to get my matches played. I'll see how it goes though.
I'll look into getting a decent Gengar, thanks. :^:
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Good battles Veitsev, you did alot better on our second one, you may wanna try using reflect instead of light screen since most people run with physical sweepers than special ones, myself included. It was funny how alot of our guys held on with like 10 HP, and I got real lucky vs that starmie.
I always though that focus sash was supposed to leave 1 hp. How exactly does it work?
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What do you recommend I do? You saw my team. I honestly thought I would have beaten you that second time but I honestly had no idea how to counter your shedinja. I knew its weaknesses but not much else.
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Now thats just fucking evil.
EDIT: So I probably need to equip my roserade with toxic from now on..would that do the trick?
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Shedinja's Wonder Guard kept it from being an issue anyway.
EDIT: Or I didn't hit him twice. I don't remember.
DOUBLE EDIT: So if I hit a shedinja with a KO attack, the focus sash should be consumed? Then I just hit it again? This is confusing..
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But really I'm like the only one who ever uses a shedinja, around here anyways, so dont try and mess up your team just to take out my one poke.
Well you did always hit me once, so my thing was used up, after that I switch out to my slowking since I know you were going to use flamethrower, after that one use on focus sash I tend to play a bit more defensive with shedinja, so I use my second annoying move, toss my bunny out there with substitute and baton pass to shedinja. Thats how you get a poor mans focus sash heh, heck I'd figured my bunny was the more annoying person of my team since I kept mixing your items up.
Well I would like to be able to counter it. I am just wondering what I should change. I am not going to mess up my team or anything. It just really really frustrated me. Just wondering if my team of Blastoise, Charizard, Roserade, Salamence, Jolteon, and Starmie could make any move changes.
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Thanks that all I really needed to know. Now I just need to get my hands on a toxic tm.
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Salamence
Brick Break
Dragon Claw
Dragon Dance
Earthquake
Blastoise
Surf
Aqua Ring
Earthquake
Rapid Spin
Starmie
Grass Knot
Psychic
Ice Beam
Surf
Jolteon
Thunderbolt
Light Screen
Shadow Ball
Reflect
Charizard
Flamethrower
Fly (Would aerial ace be better?)
Solar Beam
Sunny Day
Roserade
Weather Ball (Going to probably replace this with Toxic, just need to find a TM,)
Giga Drain
Sludge Bomb
Aromatherapy
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Blastoise I don't like. Focus on one attack type whenever you make a Pokemon unless you're specifically going for a special sweeper, which isn't easy to really do. Replace Earthquake with ice Beam. I'm also not a big fan of Aqua Ring. My Blastoise runs Ice Beam/Surf/Haze/Rapid Spin. Haze is a good utility move, but you'll have to rebreed.
Starmie looks good. If it's not using a Life Orb or a Choice item, I would suggest it. Starmie takes well to Choice Specs.
I hate to have a Jolteon that can't Baton Pass Agility to other guys, but setting up screens can be useful, too. If you want to keep the screens, then the Jolteon is fine.
Fly suuuuuucks. Dragon Pulse would be much better, or Air Slash for added STAB.
I don't have much experience with Roserade, but it looks good. I generally prefer Energy Ball over Giga Drain, though. That's more of a personal thing I guess. Some people like the HP drain.
Well honestly I included earthquake on my Blastoise to counter electric types. A close look at my team reveals that it's only real weakness is electric pokemon. This can be thwarted with smart play but it could end up biting me in the ass. I didn't ev train my Blastoise in attack or special attack opting for HP, Def, and Special Defense. It should be able to take an electric attack (if it comes to that) and then throw back an earthquake in response. Also having two pokemons with earthquake helps the problem too. Add in leftovers and aqua ring and it might be able to recover later on. Maybe this was the wrong strategy.
Jolteon I admit could be better. I would have to re train him to get baton pass but I am considering it. I have alot of sweepers on my team and baton passing agility could really make that more deadly.
Choice Specs for Starmie is an awesome idea.
Fly does need to be replaced
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Calm..oh
Yeah your right. I need a special attack. Thing is I already have ice beam on starmie. Do I really need two ice beaming pokemon?
And about Charizard: I had no idea about Air Slash, that rocks
Baton passing Jolteons are really useful but Jolteon has low defense and may not actually survive long enough to make that useful. Kinda tricky. Apparently he hasn't been able to learn reflect since R/B/Y (that bit of info is for kabuki)
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Having two Ice Beamers never hurt anyone. Ice does well against a lot of types and destroys those pesky dragons.
If you're worried about Jolteon's survivability, you can give him a Focus Sash to help him pass. If you can predict well, you can just Agility on switches so you don't get hit before you pass.
As of right now I have Jolteon holding a light clay. I guess both option are pretty good. I think my team would benefit from the added defense so I think I am going to stick with what I have now. I'll battle some more and see if I need to change him.
The ice beam thing is kind of a pain though (for my ego anyways). I actually went and spent the 200,000 on ice beam at the game corner and THEN replaced it with earthquake, thinking it would be an awesome option. :x Buying ice beam again is going to make me feel like an idiot! But you are right it would make my blastoise better. My ego says replace it with something like flash cannon. Money isn't hard to come by in this game so I probably should bite the bullet.
I guess if I am worried about defense AND I want baton passing maybe this would work
Baton Pass
Agility
Substitute
Thunderbolt
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As much as I like Brick Break, it needs to be replaced with Flamethrower or Fire Fang (preferably the latter) to prevent shit like Skarmory from walling it.
Not a fan of aqua ring. Also, it's normally not wise to mix physical and special attacks. I'd replace EQ with Ice Beam. I have no clue what to replace AR with. Maybe a support move like Calm Mind.
Don't see too much wrong with this choice.
I understand that Jolteon is fast and that he can throw up the barriers quickly, but he doesn't have the defensive prowess to suit the moves. You should really opt for a tank with those moves.
If you're going to use Charizard, you need to keep that Blastoise around as it has very good synergy with it. What with Stealth Rock being so prevalent, you'll need that Rapid Spin to save Charizard from being maimed as he comes in. Replace AA with either Air Slash or Substitute.
I'd replace Giga Drain with Energy Ball as you could probably give him Black Sludge as an item if you want to regain health.
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Yeah that's a typo. Jolteon's move set actually has thunderwave instead of reflect, but the point still stands. Seems like you guys really think I should change him. Guess I will.
I think Roserade (I prefer Giga Drain for the HP gain) and Blastoise are fine (going to change it to ice beam you guys have conviced me, I am a fan of aqua ring so that stays). I'll be giving Charizard Air Slash.
Salamence is kinda tricky. I noticed that in my battle with kabuki that once my Charizard goes down I am screwed as far as fire attacks are concerned. That IS a problem. However if I remove brick break I have no way to counter walls AND I have no fighting attack on my entire team. Is it more important that I have brick break or another pokemon with a fire attack?
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Personally I think it's good to mix up your types in a way that you have two different guys with overlapping, but not the same, strengths. Like, it's good to have one guy with fire, and one guy with fight - that way, if you run up against steel, you have two (different) ways to deal with it. Or one guy with water, and one guy with ice, so you have two ways to deal with earth.
Obviously you can't be prepared for everything, but you can try to spread your attack types around your team, so that if one guy gets taken out you won't be COMPLETELY boned agains the competition.
I also need to trust my own judgement too. Taco has a point but I think I'll keep salamence like it is.
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lucario and medicham are both fighting
they share 0 weaknesses
because of this dual type, just because flying is good against bug does not mean that aerial ace will deal with all bug pokemon (like scizor). To win you actually need multiple type coverage in order to deal with various pokemon
But isn't Energy Ball a real pain in the ass to get?
So what exactly are you suggesting.
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I can breed you one if you like.
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Whoa. Someone's on. Let's take it to PMs...
EDIT: It would appear that since my Gyarados learned Dragon Dance while in the Day Care, the game didn't register it as being known until I took it out of the care, observed that it had learned the move, and then put it back into care. Now I have Charmander with Dragon Dance - and soon Larvitar with Dragon Dance.
As for filling the void, Gengar or another Ghost type might be a solid choice.
I don't think i'll be entering the tournament, i'm starting a new job this week and i'm not sure if i'll have enough time to get my matches played. I'll see how it goes though.
I'll look into getting a decent Gengar, thanks. :^:
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