[Pokemon] Mushroom Pie's Battle Tower Challenge of Doom! Round 1, early, Check the OP

Speed Racer

Welcome, fools and ninnysacks! Within this thread you shall meet none other than your DOOM!

Also Pokeymans.

Welcome to the 3rd Pokemon tournament, Mushroom Pie's Battle Tower Challenge of Doom! Round 1 has officially begun, albeit a day early. Check out who you're paired with, and then read the special message at the bottom!

ROUND 1 PAIR-UPS:

Mushroom Pie: vs. SirToasty

Shujin Katana vs. quovadis13

AshtonDragon vs. MrBlarney

angrylinuxgeek vs. ChopperDave

BahamutZERO vs. TheCrumblyCracker

Cullen vs. Jammers

MYSTIC_KNIGHT BEAT OLDSUNDOWN

NARIAN BEAT MRSNACKROAD

Avicus vs. Romantic Undead

Buzz Buzz vs. the first latecomer to show up

Riokenn vs. Taya

RedMageDarion vs. Tacofiend

Veitsev vs. Atrioc

BlueBlue vs. Emerlmaster999

ronzo vs. Hobbes

Faustum vs. Munkus Beaver

InvisibleInk vs. kabuki64

MAINER3.0 vs. GurtPerk

Not everyone who signed up managed to check in under the deadline. These 4 people failed to check in:

RedShell
Azrael
PingPong
Judge Joe Brown

Despite being past the check-in deadline, I will still allow you to check in. Do not PM me your schedule, as due to your tardiness you have lost the privilege of being paired with someone of a similar schedule to yourself. Additionally, if you'd still like to sign up, you may do so, but know that the deadline for the round will not be extended for you. The first person to check in or sign up will be paired with BlueBlue, and after that all latecomers will be paired with other latecomers.

Checking in and signing up will officially close after Round 1, which is either after every currently participating player finishes their match, or at 3 AM EST Saturday morning.

SCOREBOARD :

Because this is a swiss tournament, no one will be eliminated for the first five rounds. Instead, your wins will be tallied here. After Round 5, the 8 players who have tallied the most wins will be entered into a single-elimination style bracket to determine this month's Tower Tycoon.

SCORES:


Mushroom Pie- 0
Shujin Katana- 0
kabuki64- 0
Faustum- 0
Buzz Buzz- 0
BlueBlue- 0
Taya- 0
Munkus Beaver- 0
AshtonDragon- 0
MrBlarney- 0
angrylinuxgeek- 0
Avicus- 0
RedMageDarion- 0
Narian- 1
quovadis13- 0
mrsnackroad- 0
BahamutZERO- 0
Cullen- 0
ChopperDave- 0
Jammers- 0
Tacofiend- 0
SirToasty- 0
Atrioc- 0
TheCrumblyCracker- 0
InvisibleInk- 0
OldSundown- 0
mystic_knight- 1
Veitsev- 0
Emerlmaster999- 0
ronzo- 0
Romantic Undead- 0
Hobbes- 0
Riokenn- 0

Tournament Rules:
-Sleep Clause: you may not put more than one of your opponent's Pokemon to sleep at a time.
-Species Clause: your team must be comprised of six different species of Pokemon.
-Item Clause: No two Pokemon on your team may be holding the same item.
-Suicide Clause: If both players are down to their last Pokemon, the player with the first Pokemon to hit 0 HP is the loser. In other words, using moves like Self Destruct and Explosion cause you to lose, even if it kills your opponent. However, using a move with a recoil that kill both you and your opponent is a win for you.
-When a round begins, PM a list of which 6 species of Pokemon you're using to your opponent (while this is officially a rule, I can't technically enforce it, so obviously there's lots of leniency here). You must have your match and post the results in this thread within 24 hours of the round starting. If this does not happen, a judgment will be made on which player receives a bye to the next round. I will be the one making this judgment unless I'm one of the people who didn't do his round.
-I have the final say in any and all discrepancies, other than ones that I'm involved in.
-You must use the same six Pokemon with the same four moves for the duration of the entire tournament.
-No Legendary Pokemon whatsoever.
-No Wobbuffet, no Wynaut.
-Feel free to debate any of these rules up until the tournament starts. I'm plenty open-minded, but I'll only change a rule if I feel that the majority of players want it changed.
-Until the start of Round 1, these rules are subject to change.
-Breaking any of these rules will result in instant disqualification.

What this thread is for:

Until the 27th, this thread will be functioning as your standard Pokethread, with general discussion and such. Come Friday, I'm flipping this thread into tournament mode. General discussion is still permitted, but I'd prefer it if the discussion took a more tournament-centric turn. After the tournament's over, this will become the full-fledged Pokethread.

THE HALL OF HEY FUCK YOU FOR BEATING ALL OF US:

It is here where Tower Tycoons past have laid their almighty Pokemon teams to rest. Because this is a large tournament, it is once again possible to enter this esteemed and hallowed place.

WINNER:


Shujin Katana


HelloWorld

Aleech

Espomage

Gloam

Ecstasy

Katana

You, maybe!


Pokemon Recources:

PokeMart: All Pokemon trading can be done here: [uyrl]http://forums.penny-arcade.com/showthread.php?t=25308[/url]. READ THE RULES

Pokédexes
Psypokes - Really nicely set up, my favorite
Serebii's Pokédex - Can load pretty slow at times
Marriland's Pokedex
Veekun -Narian
PokeGoons -Angrylinuxgeek

IV Calculators
Metal Kid's IV Calculator
Serebii's IV Calculator
Psypokes' IV Calculator

Team Builder
Marriland's Pokemon Team Builder - Figure out your team's strengths and weaknesses!

EV Training
Keith's EV Training Guide
Ashton's Funtastic Guide

Art Resources
Sprites from every game
Ken Suigmori art of every Pokémon

Community
PA Pokémon Treehouse, courtesy of Keith
Platformers host their own events
Smogon is big on competitive battling - Main site is down at the moment, but forums are a good source of information
We now have an IRC Channel at #paforums_pokemon. Server is slashnet. Not sure how many people actively use it anymore

Serebii forums will melt your soul. Beware.

Wi-Fi Help
FAQ on trading and GTS
Serebii has one for battling

Everything
Bulbapedia... everything about Pokémon. Has high traffic, so load times will be long-ish


Friend Codes

Diamond and Pearl

I've tried to move the people who I know are playing currently up top, so you guys can easily find us.
If you want to join the cool kids, just send me a PM and I'll move you up too.

Taya - 1718 9628 0144
BahamutZero - 2620 9084 7352
Emerlmaster999 - 5455 5864 6503
RedMageDarion - 0860 0250 1654
SirToasty - 0645 2240 5346
Mushroom Pie - 3694 6498 9606
The Muffin Man - 1718 9672 3285
AshtonDragon - 4596 5912 3966
Kuribo's Shoe - 3093 3590 0337
Munkus Beaver - 2320 2630 5407
DarkPrimus - 1890 7686 0995
MinionOfCthulhu - 1504 2176 1969
Fleck0 - 0258 6767 3511
JetBlackCenter - 3136 3474 8555
Narian - 1504 2276 6463
Shujin Katana - 0902 9415 9324
RockinX - 0301 6425 9658
Vray - 4424 7960 0474
angrylinuxgeek - 2449 1097 8866
Jammers - 1718 9695 4501
Chopper Dave - 3565 8276 9015
Nozz - 4811 3493 4349
Ziz - 5412 6401 0442
InvisibleInk - 1890 7641 5153
meatflower - 4338 9382 4619
Mordrack - 5154 9733 9927
HtR-Laser - 3179 2541 4334
MrBlarney - 5154 9487 7673
redfield85 - 2234 3635 3450
mrsnackroad - 3093 3694 5123
GruntBob - 4167 0965 4163
kabuki64 - 3050 4521 4660
Xenogears of Bore - 0945 8713 0106
Mahnmut - 3694 7133 8391
Scribble - 4983 2060 3533

ShimSham - 2277 3108 1546
_J_ - 1504 2167 6165
Kreutz - 1246 5188 8968
Seafood Soup - 0430 4750 9951
Scrumtrulescent - 0215 7267 9214
Gilder - 5154 9392 4062
KKProfit - 4639 5434 8775
KiTA - 3007 4559 0152
Ronzo - 4467 7445 6826
Weedlum - 2148 4624 0914
Glenn565 - 5154 9396 0499
ManetherenWolf - 3222 2043 7434
Neliwood - 0215 7266 8563
Rorus Raz - 3651 7009 8401
aken129 - 5240 8392 0439
Backlash - 2320 2615 4086
Vann Diras - 5412 6380 5736
Houk - 4682 4935 6791
Steel Angel - 4510 6940 8625
Wombat!! - 3222 2039 2250
Blue Penguin - 1633 0657 3055
Zarcath - 4295 9462 2844
Redhalo - 1418 3181 7899
Sir Toons - 3565 8009 8556
FunkyWaltDogg - 3136 3045 1612
Kor - 3694 6523 4012
TheBlackWind - 2363 2122 7580
JustinChar99 - 2749 7579 5931
His Corkiness - 0859 9749 0495
Clawshrimpy - 1074-7231-4268
Rohaq - 3651 7029 0899
Joeslop - 2105-5148-3996
Box - 4167 0965 7399
Lord Jezo - 2234 3633 0875
DharmaBum - 3265 1538 4874
SpaceDrake - 3909 3989 2737
Speakeasy - 4124 1470 4744
DeathPrawn - 4381 8470 7393
Zeromus - 0043 9290 5583
DeVryGuy - 5369 6910 9799
SNES - 3222 2050 0417
Zealous One - 1718-9697-4714
TVs_Frank - 2749-7605-3849
Snork - 0043 9308 4766
Spore Cloud - 4295 9498 7354
arcath - 3565 8044 1313
Vegeta - 5069 0519 6451
Tiptree - 2406 2098 6005
Sorenson - 4338 9483 4190

RedMageDarion - 2277 3684 6898
BahamutZERO - 3909 4560 5283
Shujin Katana - 3909 4569 3996
Vray - 0172 8345 9097
angrylinuxgeek - 2062 6199 6288
InvisibleInk - 1590 1735 3310
Mushroom Pie - 3136 3628 7648
HtR-Laser - 3608 8084 9914
GruntBob - 8060 0294 1747
kabuki64 - 4854 3536 6004
Scribble - 5240 9040 9281

If you want to be added to/deleted from either of these lists, feel free to PM me.

Chen

OP :^:

To everyone, may your trainings pay off.

RedMageDarion

So, how about them Pokeymans?

I hear they're pretty neat.

Also, I WILL DESTROY YOU ALL.

AshtonDragon

I'm looking forward to this tournament. Need to finish training my pokeymans, though.

Should the word "Pokemon" or "Pokeymans" go in the thread title? People who don't play Pokemon are probably going to wander in wondering whats going on.

InvisibleInk

I have Two Questions for all the people in the Tournament. But mostly just whoever I fight.
Please answer these questions before fighting.

1. Do you want Voice Chat On or Off?

2. Do you want to exchange teams before fighting?

I don't have a strong preference either way. I'm very indecisive.


SECRET QUESTION

3. ARE YOU READY TO GET YOUR ASS BEATEN BITCH!?!

Too early for smack talking?

BlueBlue

If I win I will be disappointed in all of you.

Show me the power of uu.

AshtonDragon

InvisibleInk wrote: »

I have Two Questions for all the people in the Tournament. But mostly just whoever I fight.
Please answer these questions before fighting.

1. Do you want Voice Chat On or Off?

2. Do you want to exchange teams before fighting?

I don't have a strong preference either way. I'm very indecisive.

1. I usually have it on, but I tend to turn it off if I'm having a battle late at night or something.

2. No, as I still disapprove of that rule, but I will reveal my team if the other person wants to play that way.

ChopperDave

Heh, I'm bringing:

1 OU
2 BL
3 UU

That's how they were ranked the last time I checked, anyway. I'm hoping they're more effective then their rankings suggest, haha...

Speed Racer

InvisibleInk wrote: »

I have Two Questions for all the people in the Tournament. But mostly just whoever I fight.
Please answer these questions before fighting.

1. Do you want Voice Chat On or Off?

2. Do you want to exchange teams before fighting?

I don't have a strong preference either way. I'm very indecisive.


SECRET QUESTION

3. ARE YOU READY TO GET YOUR ASS BEATEN BITCH!?!

Too early for smack talking?

1. On, unless the other person wants it off. I usually have the volume toned down and battle music blaring, though.

2. I prefer it that way, but if the other guy doesn't want to, I won't force him.

And it's never too late for smack talking.

EDIT: Never too early, either.

RedMageDarion

AshtonDragon wrote: »

I'm looking forward to this tournament. Need to finish training my pokeymans, though.

Should the word "Pokemon" or "Pokeymans" go in the thread title? People who don't play Pokemon are probably going to wander in wondering whats going on.

You know what's stupid?

I feel more comfortable saying Pokeymans in public, than saying Pokemon.

Speed Racer

RedMageDarion wrote: »

AshtonDragon wrote: »

I'm looking forward to this tournament. Need to finish training my pokeymans, though.

Should the word "Pokemon" or "Pokeymans" go in the thread title? People who don't play Pokemon are probably going to wander in wondering whats going on.

You know what's stupid?

I feel more comfortable saying Pokeymans in public, than saying Pokemon.

If you say it condescendingly, it's okay because you've established that you're cooler than it. I'm kinda the same way.

RedShell

I'm psyched for the competition! Psyched to lose, of course.

I always want to find a way to even the playing field and let more unevolved pokes in on the fun. Has anyone ever thought of doing a 'satellite' tourney with pokemans under a certain weight? Or have a clause that your whole team can't add up to more than a certain amount? Because that would result in a more varied set.

Also: I think people should be able to use 1 legendary on a team of 6. An 'anchor' or whatever.

RockinX

Does anyone have an Explosion TM they don't need?

Narian

Are we going full Swiss Bracket or are we going to have the top 8 (after a few rounds) square off in a bracket style format to keep the suspenseful games from the previous tournaments?

Speed Racer

CONTROVERSIAL RULES THAT I WANT TO SEE ARGUING AND BLOODSHED ABOUT :

-Item clause. From my understanding, this is a pretty prehistoric rule and basically we're the last civilized forum hanging on to it.

-legendary bannings. Again, pretty much everywhere else allows for non-uber legendaries. When this has been brought up in the past, Azelf was pretty much the only argument against this; what if we just ban him?

Speed Racer

Narian wrote: »

Are we going full Swiss Bracket or are we going to have the top 8 (after a few rounds) square off in a bracket style format to keep the suspenseful games from the previous tournaments?

I'm going full-on Swiss, banking on the hope that two or more people tie for first.

RockinX

It's not right for every Pokémon to have leftovers, and you can get more creative than that.

RedMageDarion

Narian wrote: »

Are we going full Swiss Bracket or are we going to have the top 8 (after a few rounds) square off in a bracket style format to keep the suspenseful games from the previous tournaments?

I really want to see a top 8.

Especially if people can, like, Youtube their matches.

Mx. Quill

I vote for all future tourneys using the Swiss format. This way people get to play again and again even if they suck.

Like me. :P

RockinX

RockinX wrote: »

Does anyone have an Explosion TM they don't need?

Speed Racer

RockinX wrote: »

It's not right for every Pokémon to have leftovers, and you can get more creative than that.

That's not a particularly good strategy though. Leftovers is decent as a "well I have nothing else to give this guy" item, but it's not gonna do too much if it's not a tank.

RockinX

I've noticed that, too. Plus, they've added such awesome items this gen.

Narian

Mushroom Pie wrote: »

Narian wrote: »

Are we going full Swiss Bracket or are we going to have the top 8 (after a few rounds) square off in a bracket style format to keep the suspenseful games from the previous tournaments?

I'm going full-on Swiss, banking on the hope that two or more people tie for first.

Alright, just wondering because I know a lot of games do Swiss+Bracket because while Swiss is more fair, the Bracket just make it feel like a Tournament and it creates suspense.

RedMageDarion

Mushroom Pie wrote: »

RockinX wrote: »

It's not right for every Pokémon to have leftovers, and you can get more creative than that.

That's not a particularly good strategy though. Leftovers is decent as a "well I have nothing else to give this guy" item, but it's not gonna do too much if it's not a tank.

But do you really want to face a team of 6 tanks?

Because lifting Item Clause gives you that possibility.

You'll just have a bunch of Para-fuser Tanks with a recovery move and Leftovers.

Speed Racer

Right, with all the variety, you'd practically be stupid to restrict yourself by using multiple leftovers.

Generally, the worst I see this getting abused would be 1-2 Leftovers and 1-3 Lum Berries on a team together. Obviously there'd be exceptions, but yeah.

BlueBlue

Mushroom Pie wrote: »

-legendary bannings. Again, pretty much everywhere else allows for non-uber legendaries. When this has been brought up in the past, Azelf was pretty much the only argument against this; what if we just ban him?

Were it up to me things would be allowed or disallowed by tiers instead of the title of legendary. Although saying no legendaries makes things easier, and I don't dig the idea of me trying to get right-natured ones.

Speed Racer

RedMageDarion wrote: »

Mushroom Pie wrote: »

RockinX wrote: »

It's not right for every Pokémon to have leftovers, and you can get more creative than that.

That's not a particularly good strategy though. Leftovers is decent as a "well I have nothing else to give this guy" item, but it's not gonna do too much if it's not a tank.

But do you really want to face a team of 6 tanks?

Because lifting Item Clause gives you that possibility.

You'll just have a bunch of Para-fuser Tanks with a recovery move and Leftovers.

I've fought teams with six tanks already, so item clause isn't really shielding me from that.

Besides, why do you want to deny the viability of a not-cheap,-but-annoying team-type by taking away multiple leftovers?

RedMageDarion

Mushroom Pie wrote: »

Right, with all the variety, you'd practically be stupid to restrict yourself by using multiple leftovers.

Generally, the worst I see this getting abused would be 1-2 Leftovers and 1-3 Lum Berries on a team together. Obviously there'd be exceptions, but yeah.

How about a team of 6 Choice Scarf'd/Band'd/Specs'd sweepers?

Unless we're just talking about lifting the Embargo on Berries/Leftovers.

Becuase honestly, that doesn't sound too bad.

Chen

RedMageDarion wrote: »

Mushroom Pie wrote: »

RockinX wrote: »

It's not right for every Pokémon to have leftovers, and you can get more creative than that.

That's not a particularly good strategy though. Leftovers is decent as a "well I have nothing else to give this guy" item, but it's not gonna do too much if it's not a tank.

But do you really want to face a team of 6 tanks?

Because lifting Item Clause gives you that possibility.

You'll just have a bunch of Para-fuser Tanks with a recovery move and Leftovers.

Tanks are needed to prevent sweepers from sweeping, usually a physical and a special tank. When there's only one Leftovers available, it makes them less than optimal.

Narian

Mushroom Pie wrote: »

CONTROVERSIAL RULES THAT I WANT TO SEE ARGUING AND BLOODSHED ABOUT :

-Item clause. From my understanding, this is a pretty prehistoric rule and basically we're the last civilized forum hanging on to it.

-legendary bannings. Again, pretty much everywhere else allows for non-uber legendaries. When this has been brought up in the past, Azelf was pretty much the only argument against this; what if we just ban him?

t Item Clause: I like it but sometimes I wish I could use a second Leftovers or a second this or that ect. It's mainly just ramblings.

t Legendaries: Ban em' all. Easy to do, no fighting about it, and if people complain about not being able to use Legendaries then show them the 400+ other Pokémon available to use. Besides, there are a few Legendaries that are just plain annoying and uber.

Speed Racer

An all choice-scarfing team would get cleaned up by a Trick Room team, or a team running Ninjask, Agility, or Torment.

No, that does not mean that everyone needs to use those Pokemon and those moves. It means that there are enough good counters to the idea that it would be stupid to use it in the first place.

Also Narian please explain which non-uber legendaries are actually uber, and why you say so.

Narian

I'm pretty sure a CMing Suicune would be annoying, actually haven't had the pleasure of fighting one but from what I've read they're not fun.

EDIT: But mainly the problem arises when we say "OK these Legendaries are good for battling, but these guys are not, these guys aren't to bad but there's this one moveset that makes it bad so not him..." Sure some legendaries aren't that good, but they're hard to get, then you can't breed them for the right nature and IVs so newer players get swept by either hacked/shitty/or a Legendary that someone reset their GBA/DS for days to get. Is the Pokémon community lacking enough Pokes to make an original team? I just think that in the end saying Legendaries are Ok just causes more problems than it "solves".

Speed Racer

Narian wrote: »

I'm pretty sure a CMing Suicune would be annoying, actually haven't had the pleasure of fighting one but from what I've read they're not fun.

Fucking brutal in RSE, but still 100% beatable.

The special/physical split neutered the guy though.

THUNDERRRRRR PUNCH!

Cullen

I'm looking forward to this. I hope I can get my new guy EV trained by the start.

RockinX

Mushroom Pie wrote: »

Narian wrote: »

I'm pretty sure a CMing Suicune would be annoying, actually haven't had the pleasure of fighting one but from what I've read they're not fun.

Fucking brutal in RSE, but still 100% beatable.

The special/physical split neutered the guy though.

THUNDERRRRRR PUNCH!

It was impossible to beat if they also had Celebi

quovadis13

I am incredibly excited for the tournament next week. I have no doubt in my mind that I will go 0-for the tourny, despite my hasty training I am undergoing this week, but I press on anyways in the spirit of Pokemon!!!!


Also, I would strongly recommend including the word Pokemon somehow in the thread title.


Finally, Michael Vick should have just bought Pokemon instead of funding dogfighting.

Chen

Suicune can't switch in all the time anymore and it kind of needs Rest to heal status effects, which means an easy opening for physical sweepers.

RedMageDarion

Mushroom Pie wrote: »

An all choice-scarfing team would get cleaned up by a Trick Room team, or a team running Ninjask, Agility, or Torment.

No, that does not mean that everyone needs to use those Pokemon and those moves. It means that there are enough good counters to the idea that it would be stupid to use it in the first place.

Also Narian please explain which non-uber legendaries are actually uber, and why you say so.

Give 'em all Life Orbs.

Life Orb is an awesome item for sweepers.

I guess my point is, there's enough Items out there that Item Clause isn't really a hinderance. And allowing people to use multiples of an Item lets them do things that they couldn't otherwise do. i.e. Have two Sweepers with Life Orb, 2 with Focus Sash, etc...

Lifting Item Clause can lead to a bevy of problems. FEAR, anyone?

And, plus, I don't recall seeing anyone, anywhere say that Item Clause is outdated.

Speed Racer

Narian wrote: »

EDIT: But mainly the problem arises when we say "OK these Legendaries are good for battling, but these guys are not, these guys aren't to bad but there's this one moveset that makes it bad so not him..."

Fortunately places like Smogon have already determined the difference between Legendary and Uber, so we wouldn't have to do any of this "OK these Legendaries are good for battling, but these guys are not, these guys aren't to bad but there's this one moveset that makes it bad so not him..." nonsense.

Sure some legendaries aren't that good, but they're hard to get, then you can't breed them for the right nature and IVs so newer players get swept by either hacked/shitty/or a Legendary that someone reset their GBA/DS for days to get.

Sure, some Pokemon aren't that good, but a lot of them are hard to get, and you have to breed them for the right nature and IVs, so newer players get swept by either hacked/shitty/or a Pokemon that someone bred for days to get.

Ain't I a stinker?

Is the Pokémon community lacking enough Pokes to make an original team?

No, but why restrict people's creativity when it's unnecessary to do so?

I just think that in the end saying Legendaries are Ok just causes more problems than it "solves".

The "problems" you just pointed out are that we'd have to craft a delicate and meticulously thought-out list of which Pokemon aren't ubers, despite the fact that Smogon has already done so for us, and that new players are going to get beaten by better players with better Pokemon. I'd like something a little more substantial.

ChopperDave

I don't really know enough about the trios to make a judgment either way.

Like I said in the earlier thread, I'm afraid of lifting the Item Clause mainly for the possibility of going up against a full team of sweepers w/ Focus Sashes. Aside from the situational Fakeout and using Hail/Sandstorm, there isn't much I can think of that would counter that well. Except, you know, another team of sweepers with Focus Sashes.

The possibility of a bunch of guys with Lum Berries isn't very appetizing either. I like my Thunder Wave

Narian

Link me the list.

And explain why you think we should allow Legendaries.