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That's not really true. Even online sites can have 1-3 week lead times, print mag lead times can be up to 3-6 months out from release. Most games aren't reviewed as final code in print mags.
EGM just made a big deal of the fact that they won't review a game without final review code. I think it was 2 issues ago.
I like Ziff Davis for their podcasts but I really can't stand their reviews. Some games they go really soft on and others they go really hard on. I'll wait for some other sites to review it.
My favourite 1UP moment was when they insinuated in the Killzone: Liberation review that the online patch would never be released. Then when Guerrilla did release it, they edited the comment out and claimed they hadn't touched it. Classy stuff.
Ha! Stupid fuckers. I suppose I'll look into other reviews then
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It's the mag that gave lair a 6 and exploded NeoGAF in the process.
Actually most games ARE reviewed on final code in print mags, and they DO NOT have 3-6 months lead time. That's called a preview, not a review. At most a magazine will have about a month lead on release, as they will print the review the closest issue to the release of the game, and a lot of mags are monthly.
I have no idea where you got this insanity of 3-6 months. 3-6 months is absurd. Most publishers will send out final review copies about a month before the ship date, possibly more. This copy is usually a copy of a near final gold build of the game, and a lot of magazines, EGM included, insist on final code for reviews or no review at all.
So what? Giving a game a 5 doesn't mean their reviews are good. I really think a lot of their writers are a little "fanboy"-ish. Not fanboys of specific systems though, but of specific games. Look at Gears of War, Shoe gave it a 10/10 and then started raving about how great it was. Then Shawn went on one of the podcasts, started listing off all the things he thought was flawed in the game and said that a 10/10 score should be given to an "almost perfect" game.
The same thing happened with Hotel Dusk, Michael Donahoe wanted it to "stand out" so he gave it a 10/10.
If you want good reviews, go buy a copy of Edge. They use the full scale (a lot more sensibly) AND their reviews are usually good. I liek GameTrailers reviews itself, I don't pay much attention to the scores but I do like how they talk about something and then demonstrate it within the game. Whereas in written reviews, you're just hearing someone talk about it without any idea of how important or minor it is.
LOL! Yeah, the GAF forums are rife with speculation and craziness over the review now. GAF Asplode!
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well that's a turnup for the books!
- I know it's a bit of a rant, but I thought this game looked really cool but it sucks that as usual what ruins a game is technical issues that should have never come up or been fixed long ago.
w...what?
HAHAHAHAHA... OMFG... I was almost fooled untill I looked closer.
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Hey look. Someone said something slightly negative to a Sony-related product!
Hey look. Unco-ordinated on Damage Control within just 10 posts!
Just keep spinning, dude. It's what you get paid for, after all.
But GamePro did say that aside from the motion controls, it was a pretty spectacular/fun game. I'll still pick it up and see how it is. This wouldn't be the first time a game got lower scores but still could be a highly fun game in the hands of gamers. I think I could deal with the motion controls as long as I can swoop around and char up me some human flesh.
As I said, I would have to read the EGM review before making judgement, but the fact they use the full scale rather than 7-9 means a LOT more to me than a decently written review giving it an 8 when their definition of 8 is mediocre. Plus I have read a lot of EGM reviews, they are usually spot on. Plus noone here has played Lair so hating on a review, the first decent review, is ridiculous.
who and why, though?
because they are a fanboy who feels LAir deserves a better score without having played the game going off hype alone.
Hey look. Giganticus being a dick!
I like how you ignore the fact that I said on the very first page that I'm pretty unsure of how good the gameplay will turn out and I was going to wait and see if it turned out any good (since there's been both good and bad press about it). But hey, I'm biased right?! Can't be a fan of Rogue Squadron and Rogue Leader and hope that Factor 5 made another great game. Nope, course not.
Edit: Would it make me a 360 fanboy if I said I'd wait for other Blue Dragon reviews before calling it a mediocre game?
I...okay
Fair enough, doesn't really change my mind but I will admit I have liked a few of the reviews Ziff Davis have done. I'll download it with Zinio when I can and read through it.
Oh and seriously, go check out Edge. They may be filthy brits but it's the best gaming mag around.
Btw, I thought the Zelda review edit was done to make fun of all the over-reacting idiots? Eh, either way it's pretty stupid.
This is why you should have made Rogue Squadron: The New Jedi Order.
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Color me disappointed.
I was totally serious. I read GAf often he has a history of sony fanboyism and later explained why he edited it, then someone called him out for not ever having played the game.
I like how they didn't even take Nintendo out of the publisher section.
Yeah.
Didnt f5 do some hardware part of the Gamecube. I remember them talking on the rogue leader documentary on the disc how they did some musicks or musix type thing which was for the whole gamecube, basically did the sound and music or something. Im not sure.
I think they created the sound compression software or something
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Frankly, I got the insanity when I used to work at a certain publisher, so sorry if my experiences are different from others, but we indeed would send out review code for mags that was pretty fucking old, then usually a followup disc a little closer to their review dead line. Granted, it was a low rent publisher, but hey, it's true. Besides, I said can be up to, I never said it's 100% of the time.
Yeah, I'm gonna have to side with Unco-ordinated here. People get ragged on for "damage control" as soon as they defend anything Sony, even if it's completely warranted. It's a lot like how people get ragged on for "LOL SONY" as soon as they say anything Sony does is stupid, even if it IS really stupid.
I'm about as far from a Sony fanboy you can get, and I when it comes to EGM. I think the staff there (including the 1UP/Gamevideos people) are really cool, by far the best when it comes to a major gaming site, but it does NOT translate well to print or the written stuff on the website. For some reason they just have trouble writing and scoring games. Their most common offense that I've noticed it detracting points because of stupid, pointless things they can't let go of.
and I just want to clarify that Play is notorious for over-scoring games and this could be a case of that and I'd bank on that before EGM being too harsh
I think the point he was making was that EGM come out with a review, a low review for Lair, a prominent Sony PS3 game, and Unco-ordinated suddenly doesnt trust EGM reviews then proceeds to try and discredit EGM and 1up by giving one instance where they messed up.
EGM are one of the more trusted industry reviewers, and one of the few mags to still implement a multiple review review, in that they get 3 editors to post scores. So instead of one person maybe being wrong three people would have to be.
This is the reason he was called out for damage control. His post was trying to lower the authenticity of the EGM review just because it is low. If you read the corresponding GAF thread on Lair you will see a billion instances of almost exactly the same post; 'I dont trust EGM' 'People still listen to EGM haha' 'EGM suck'
Pathetic attempt at damage control for a game noone really expected to be stellar in the first place. Lair is like a lot of other PS3 games, shiny but lacking gameplay.