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oh man, you have to link that stuff.
Navigating 1up gives me headaches.
http://boards.1up.com/zd/board/message?board.id=games&thread.id=273736&view=by_date_ascending&page=9
Fucktard:Reviews aren't real.
EGMEditor:Yes, they are.
Fucktard: You're joking.
EGMEditor: No.
Another Fucktard:EGM Sucks for giving a shitty review to Lair and Blue Dragon.
Welcome to 1up.
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All of the 1up editors post on GAF, for some ungodly reason.
Unless it's to correct some hum-dinger like this shit, and mostly I have to mop it up.
They do post on 1up fairly often its just that 1up is much more separated than NeoGAF which is basically just one forum, whereas 1up is split up quite a lot into smaller ones (three main sections, smaller sections therein)
And the editors never post there, except for the GFW guys (who are awesome).
Trust me on that.
OMG you sure went back and dished the dirt on me! Might I ask, so what? I watch the 1UP Show every week (and listen to 1UP Yours, GFW Radio and EGM Live), I like some segments (like the Heavenly Sword part) and dislike some others (like the Cooking Mama part they had a month or two back). So what? Like I mentioned in my last post, I love their podcasts but really don't enjoy many of their reviews.
The_Scarab: Before you start throwing the fanboy shit around, you do realise that I said earlier in the thread (before the EGM review came in) that I probably wouldn't be picking Lair up, right? My biggest worry isn't even about the controls, it's the missions structure. And since Lair seemed to be far too similar to Rogue Leader in that regard, it had almost completely fallen off my radar (deleted from my "to buy" list and everything). I've got too many other games (across the PS2, PS3, PSP, PC and DS) to buy this holiday season, there's no room for 'average' games. But, if Lair had gotten really good reviews (from a source I trust, like Edge), I probably would buy it.
And I've had a problem with 1UP (and EGM's) reviews for a long time, not just because of their Lair review. I like the rest of the content in their magazine and I love their podcasts but I just don't trust their reviews that much, in fact I don't trust many sites or magazines reviews. Would you rag on me if I said I didn't like IGN's reviews? It's not like Edge is biased towards Sony or the PS3, they're actually a fair bit harsher than EGM.
As for them having 3 opinions on each game, so it balances out. Uh, why? They're professional game journalists, they shouldn't have to show three views on the game and average it out, do movie critics do this? Do book reviewers do this? I can't think of any.
And lastly, Xenogears of Bore: My problem was with his justification of the review, not with the actual score. I haven't played the game, I've been too busy playing my old GBA games on my DS because the GBA SP cramps up my hands. If it deserved the 10, good on it but to give it a 10/10 because he wanted it to stand out? What?
Damn you for locking that thread. Did you see the guy at gaf who was gonna pop in and say he faked the whole thing just to stir the shitstorm.
I banned the guy on top of locking the thread.
Actually I banned quite a few people in there. There's always the memories though.
jeff green is awesome.
I will agree with the Jeff and Shawn love, even if you don't have Shawn love... you should. Dude's fucking hilarious.
It also helps when you have 3 reviewers doing it because some people simply have bias towards games they don't like. I know it's a fucking bombshell for me to lay on everyone, but some people simply don't like certain kinds of games.
How many people here metacritic/gamerankings scores or read multiple reviews before they buy something? I do.
He flew a jet fighter right into my fully loaded chopper and killed 6 people. That sonofabitch.
He is a goddam fucking demon with those shock pads.
Oh my god, we were in that one urban combat map (Karkand?) and he charged up ahead into the small fenced in area and took out like 7 people before getting naded.
Its the only game he fucking plays though. Its kinda unfair.
But the thing is, people go to metacritic or gamerankings because a single review isn't usually reliable enough. IMO if a game magazine or website wants to be taken seriously, they need to have a single review and take their shit seriously. Again, Edge is about the only game magazine around that takes its shit seriously and I love them for it.
Personally though, I don't really think that game journalists should be biased against certain types of games. They even discussed it on GFW (when they were ragging on one of the reviews that had once been submitted to them, which was so bad it was god-damn hilarious) last week, saying that it's probably just because the industry is pretty young.
Btw, I like Shawn but I kinda wish he'd appear a little less on GFW Radio. I mean, he's funny and everything but with him on everything just gets ridiculously derailed. He missed a show a month or so back and it was actually pretty refreshing to listen to them actually stay on topic.
Do you have any evidence of having multiple reviews for a game means they don't take it seriously?
You don't design stuff on what should be; you design stuff on how stuff actually is. As it is, people will always have biases towards or against certain types of stuff.
No, I was talking about their magazine in general. They tend to like pretty immature jokes and stuff (the guy sitting the toilet wacking off to Rumble Roses is one of their most well known examples), targetting the magazine towards teenagers. If they want me to take them and their reviews seriously, like they've talked about on their podcasts (GFW in particular have asked why there isn't a "Roger Ebert" of the games industry) they might want to act like professionals. But at the moment, they just seem to be like anything targetted towards teenagers, they lock on to the latest summer blockbuster
The thing that really annoys me about EGM (and the other Ziff Davis mags) is that they want to be treated professionally (GFW in particular have asked why there isn't a 'Roger Ebert' of the games industry) and then they go make a joke about tits. If they don't want Doug Lowenstein to call them immature (link) then perhaps they should, I don't know, act like professionals?
Fair point but when do they ever get someone to review a game they're biased against anyway? Usually the sport games go to the sports guys, the FPS's go to the FPS guys, etc. So they wouldn't have Shane reviewing a FPS and they wouldn't get Shawn to review a JRPG (I'm just guessing he doesn't like JRPG's).
How do movie critics do it anyway? Do they hand off the the action movies to the action movie guys? I generally watch movies based on whether the trailers are pretty or not.
And thus we have three reviewers. You get the guy who likes the genre, the guy that doesn't and another guy who's probably somewhere inbetween. There is absolutely nothing unprofessional about three reviews, but I do agree the EGM journalists like to use immature humor, which is why I don't read their magazine anymore.
Which is why I don't pay attention to movie reviews.
I still think the 3 reviewers thing is off though. I'd probably like it more if they each wrote their different view of the game and then agreed on a single score. But giving it 3 different scores is pretty stupid IMO.
I do like their rumours section though. There's usually one or two in there that end up being true.
Never watch Gymnastics.
Or Ice Skating.
Hahahahaha, no. Thats not how it works at all.
To be fair, judging an Ice Skating competion has much less room for personal opinion than reviewing a videogame.
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It's like, At the Movies totally wouldn't work with one person (Albeit movies can be more subjective than games, but still...)
Wh...why? How is that in any way better, when often the scores range more than a couple points?
I don't know that movies are more subjective than games.
But I agree with you otherwise. The more reviews/opinions the better. Provided they have something to say that is well thought-out.
No that one wasn't it. It was a single still image, possibly from Total Recall.
So there was already one made? That could have saved me ten minutes.