No, really, that's what was said on the "independent" blog Three Speech straight from SCEE's president.
Sony Computer Entertainment Europe president David Reeves has said that a European PlayStation 3 price cut - similar to the $100 drop announced in America - would "annoy a lot of people", justifying the European Value Pack, which comes bundled with two games and two controllers.
Speaking on the semi-official PlayStation blog Three Speech, Reeves explained that the summer period just isn't the right time to start slashing costs: "The sales rate goes up for a couple of weeks, because there's not much demand out there, and then the sales rate comes down again until you get to the end of September/the beginning of October and it all starts to heat up".
He added that the US price drop was more acceptable as the PS3 has been on sale there for more than six months. However, Reeves would not speculate as to whether Europe might receive a reduction in a similar time frame.
"We have a plan and we're going to stick to it," he said. "We are confident but not arrogant about reaching a very, very good installed base on PS3, and having the same momentum that we had with the PS2. We're not putting our heads in the sand - we know it's not selling that well, but we know that it's selling according to the targets."
As Reeves put it, "I see this more as kind of like a tsunami. It starts out small and gathers speed and eventually, after four or five years, it will start to take you over." That being the case, Reeves noted that this Christmas isn't critical for Sony, with the company looking ahead to Christmas 2008 for the PS3 to really take off.
Man, can't Sony shut this guy up? First the original pricedrop debacle, and now this? I swear, I'm getting nostalgic for ol' Ken.
And yeah, if Sony can't make up any ground this holiday, they have lost. There's no such thing as a "come-from-behind" victory in the console market, success and failure tend to snowball. It'll be a two-horse race after 2007 if Sony isn't committed to stepping up.
I was trying to figure out a way to appropriately respond to this....
The best I can think of was lolsony.
I mean... honestly, was someone in Sony thinking to themselves "If we make people pay less money for our overpriced system that is selling poorly mainly because we don't have any games for it and it's too expensive, it'll make people MAD!"?
i havent understood sony for about a year now. i have no idea what the hell their business plan is with the ps3.
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Man, can't Sony shut this guy up? First the original pricedrop debacle, and now this? I swear, I'm getting nostalgic for ol' Ken.
And yeah, if Sony can't make up any ground this holiday, they have lost. There's no such thing as a "come-from-behind" victory in the console market, success and failure tend to snowball. It'll be a two-horse race after 2007 if Sony isn't committed to stepping up.
If a price drop would annoy people, why wouldn't a bundle annoy them? The main difference is that it is much cheaper for Sony to bundle stuff with it rather than actually dropping the price.
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Second, I'm pretty sure that at the time he just thought it was a funny joke. I don't think anyone expected Sony to actually make it the beating (bleating?) heart of their entire PS3 strategy...
Third: WTF Sony? How the hell can you be at it again? It's only been a week. Or do you seriously think that merely being in the Monday news blogs for your increasingly stupid decisions is going to sell extra consoles?
Becaus it really isn't, y'know...
I want to hear the spin from the pro-sony camp on this one. Tell me why the Euro's not getting a price drop is to their advantage. Please
I'll have a stab;
Sony are working hard on maintaining the glorious aura of expensive prestige which surrounds the Playstation 3, if we allowed all that Eurotrash riff raff to purchase the Playstation 3 at a lower price point, they would never know the glorious sense of accomplishment bestowed upon them from our Majesty, after working a second job to afford one.
Also, you just might need a second mortgage for our awesomeness, so better stop all those thoughts of raising a family right there, sunshine.
Sony - dutifully curing your overpopulation problems across Europe since Spring 2007.
From now on, I think I'm going to just expect this out of Sony. That way, I can take it in as pure comedy and stop trying to analyze it, as there is a year's worth of evidence that there is absolutely nothing that can be analyzed.
Sounds like you guys are lucky to be able to buy one at all
I have two friends that own PS3s actually. Although they both have excessive spending money.
A friend's brother-in-law actually has two PS3s. He picked them both up at launch with the plan of having one hooked up to his main HDTV downstairs and one upstairs. He's obviously got more money than sense. Anyway, he's now in the market to sell one of the systems and was trying to get me to buy one form him when I was looking to buy a PS3. I refused, went to Best Buy, and took advantage of the price drop. I could have bought the thing from him but I refuse to reward stupidity...
The only people it'd annoy is those who have already bought it. Everyone else should either be happy or not care.
No, I think it's pretty safe to say that the people who ponied up the full price (what was it again, 425GBP?) for a PS3 have come to terms with the price they paid. I don't think a price drop would annoy them as much as you'd expect.
Sounds like you guys are lucky to be able to buy one at all
I have two friends that own PS3s actually. Although they both have excessive spending money.
A friend's brother-in-law actually has two PS3s. He picked them both up at launch with the plan of having one hooked up to his main HDTV downstairs and one upstairs. He's obviously got more money than sense. Anyway, he's now in the market to sell one of the systems and was trying to get me to buy one form him when I was looking to buy a PS3. I refused, went to Best Buy, and took advantage of the price drop. I could have bought the thing from him but I refuse to reward stupidity...
If you don't want to reward stupidity, you should've bought it from him, but refused to pay more than $300. Then he's out $300 with absolutely nothing to show for it.
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I know I'm always annoyed to the point where I start using swears when a company makes it financially easier for me to own their product.
The only people it'd annoy is those who have already bought it. Everyone else should either be happy or not care.
No, I think it's pretty safe to say that the people who ponied up the full price (what was it again, 425GBP?) for a PS3 have come to terms with the price they paid. I don't think a price drop would annoy them as much as you'd expect.
pretty-much, yeah. You should pay for a console when you're happy to exchange the money for the goods, not for some other reason. Otherwise they should never drop the price of the console, because there'll always be someone who bought it the previous week for a higher price. Sucks, but that's how it works.
Sounds like you guys are lucky to be able to buy one at all
I have two friends that own PS3s actually. Although they both have excessive spending money.
A friend's brother-in-law actually has two PS3s. He picked them both up at launch with the plan of having one hooked up to his main HDTV downstairs and one upstairs. He's obviously got more money than sense. Anyway, he's now in the market to sell one of the systems and was trying to get me to buy one form him when I was looking to buy a PS3. I refused, went to Best Buy, and took advantage of the price drop. I could have bought the thing from him but I refuse to reward stupidity...
Quick PS3 tech question. Is there no way to start a video playlist in the PS3? I'm trying to set up a bunch of trailers in the store so I dont have to listen to the same game demo over and over again. But there doesn't seem to be a way to do it short of joining all the trailers together which is a pain since any program I try to use for this purpose churns out terrible quality results.
Sounds like you guys are lucky to be able to buy one at all
I have two friends that own PS3s actually. Although they both have excessive spending money.
A friend's brother-in-law actually has two PS3s. He picked them both up at launch with the plan of having one hooked up to his main HDTV downstairs and one upstairs. He's obviously got more money than sense. Anyway, he's now in the market to sell one of the systems and was trying to get me to buy one form him when I was looking to buy a PS3. I refused, went to Best Buy, and took advantage of the price drop. I could have bought the thing from him but I refuse to reward stupidity...
There's no such thing as a "come-from-behind" victory in the console market, success and failure tend to snowball.
Actually, the Genesis was outselling the SNES for most of its lifetime, but the SNES pulled ahead in the last couple of years, while Sega was pushing the Sega CD and 32X and Nintendo was being sane (and putting out some of the greatest games of all time). But that was the one exception. :P
At this point, someone at Sony should just sew David Reeves's mouth shut. Either that, or bury him in a pit. Or lock him in a dungeon. Or kidnap his loved ones and hold them hostage until he agrees to never speak to the press again. Whatever's most cost-effective.
Oh man. They just keep pushing themselves faster and faster down this terrible path. I just had an image of what the PS3 is. They're a train heading towards a burning chemical factory. The engineer (Sony) keeps saying "Stoke the fires men! If we pick up enough speed we might derail and totally miss that factory!"
Sounds like you guys are lucky to be able to buy one at all
I have two friends that own PS3s actually. Although they both have excessive spending money.
A friend's brother-in-law actually has two PS3s. He picked them both up at launch with the plan of having one hooked up to his main HDTV downstairs and one upstairs. He's obviously got more money than sense. Anyway, he's now in the market to sell one of the systems and was trying to get me to buy one form him when I was looking to buy a PS3. I refused, went to Best Buy, and took advantage of the price drop. I could have bought the thing from him but I refuse to reward stupidity...
That was great. It was mildly amusing up to the point where he whipped out the cake. Then I sprayed coffee all over my book. I've never done that before. Thanks.
There's no such thing as a "come-from-behind" victory in the console market, success and failure tend to snowball.
Actually, the Genesis was outselling the SNES for most of its lifetime, but the SNES pulled ahead in the last couple of years, while Sega was pushing the Sega CD and 32X and Nintendo was being sane (and putting out some of the greatest games of all time). But that was the one exception. :P
But the Genesis and SNES were neck and neck most of the time, and there really wasn't any third player to speak of. (yes, the TurboGraphix and Neo Geo are not to speak of). The PS3 is starting out a distant third and staying there. If it was even remotely close to either the Wii or the 360, I'd say it had a shot, but right now? Doesn't really look like it.
And Nintendo wasn't being sane at the time. Nintendo was busy making a deal with Sony, then breaking it, then making a deal with Phillips and breaking that. We just didn't see the effects of Nintendo's stupidity of the time until a couple years later.
There's no such thing as a "come-from-behind" victory in the console market, success and failure tend to snowball.
Actually, the Genesis was outselling the SNES for most of its lifetime, but the SNES pulled ahead in the last couple of years, while Sega was pushing the Sega CD and 32X and Nintendo was being sane (and putting out some of the greatest games of all time). But that was the one exception. :P
But the Genesis and SNES were neck and neck most of the time, and there really wasn't any third player to speak of. (yes, the TurboGraphix and Neo Geo are not to speak of). The PS3 is starting out a distant third and staying there. If it was even remotely close to either the Wii or the 360, I'd say it had a shot, but right now? Doesn't really look like it.
And Nintendo wasn't being sane at the time. Nintendo was busy making a deal with Sony, then breaking it, then making a deal with Phillips and breaking that. We just didn't see the effects of Nintendo's stupidity of the time until a couple years later.
Starting the deals in the first place was the bad idea. They were being sane by wisely choosing to cut their losses and forget about the whole CD thing (at least for the SNES, the N64 is another story entirely). They saw that the Sega CD was tanking hard, and chose to give us Super Metroid and DKC instead. They basically made 1994 the greatest gaming year of all time, and that's around when they won.
Funny thing about this interview is that I pretty much agree with the idea that he is putting forth. It does make no sense for Sony Europe to slash the price so soon, it makes them look like they have no confidence at all in their system. He also admits that the system isn't selling well, which is a breath of fresh air.
There's no such thing as a "come-from-behind" victory in the console market, success and failure tend to snowball.
Actually, the Genesis was outselling the SNES for most of its lifetime, but the SNES pulled ahead in the last couple of years, while Sega was pushing the Sega CD and 32X and Nintendo was being sane (and putting out some of the greatest games of all time). But that was the one exception. :P
But the Genesis and SNES were neck and neck most of the time, and there really wasn't any third player to speak of. (yes, the TurboGraphix and Neo Geo are not to speak of). The PS3 is starting out a distant third and staying there. If it was even remotely close to either the Wii or the 360, I'd say it had a shot, but right now? Doesn't really look like it.
And Nintendo wasn't being sane at the time. Nintendo was busy making a deal with Sony, then breaking it, then making a deal with Phillips and breaking that. We just didn't see the effects of Nintendo's stupidity of the time until a couple years later.
Starting the deals in the first place was the bad idea. They were being sane by wisely choosing to cut their losses and forget about the whole CD thing (at least for the SNES, the N64 is another story entirely). They saw that the Sega CD was tanking hard, and chose to give us Super Metroid and DKC instead. They basically made 1994 the greatest gaming year of all time, and that's around when they won.
Breaking the Sony deal led directly into the creation of the Playstation and Nintendo's placing second and third in the subsequent two generations as Sony first created and then maintained (and is now destroying, it seems) a highly successful gaming brand.
Funny thing about this interview is that I pretty much agree with the idea that he is putting forth. It does make no sense for Sony Europe to slash the price so soon, it makes them look like they have no confidence at all in their system. He also admits that the system isn't selling well, which is a breath of fresh air.
Yeah, but... Christmas won't be crucial for the system? It'll be the PS3's first Christmas in Europe. How could it not be crucial for the system? I'm still not convinced Reeves knows what the hell is going on.
Funny thing about this interview is that I pretty much agree with the idea that he is putting forth. It does make no sense for Sony Europe to slash the price so soon, it makes them look like they have no confidence at all in their system. He also admits that the system isn't selling well, which is a breath of fresh air.
Yeah, but... Christmas won't be crucial for the system? It'll be the PS3's first Christmas in Europe. How could it not be crucial for the system? I'm still not convinced Reeves knows what the hell is going on.
I did ignore that, didn't I? Of course it is important, but c'mon now, the PS3 is going to have eight more christmases so one bad one won't be that big of a deal.
There's no such thing as a "come-from-behind" victory in the console market, success and failure tend to snowball.
Actually, the Genesis was outselling the SNES for most of its lifetime, but the SNES pulled ahead in the last couple of years, while Sega was pushing the Sega CD and 32X and Nintendo was being sane (and putting out some of the greatest games of all time). But that was the one exception. :P
But the Genesis and SNES were neck and neck most of the time, and there really wasn't any third player to speak of. (yes, the TurboGraphix and Neo Geo are not to speak of). The PS3 is starting out a distant third and staying there. If it was even remotely close to either the Wii or the 360, I'd say it had a shot, but right now? Doesn't really look like it.
And Nintendo wasn't being sane at the time. Nintendo was busy making a deal with Sony, then breaking it, then making a deal with Phillips and breaking that. We just didn't see the effects of Nintendo's stupidity of the time until a couple years later.
Starting the deals in the first place was the bad idea. They were being sane by wisely choosing to cut their losses and forget about the whole CD thing (at least for the SNES, the N64 is another story entirely). They saw that the Sega CD was tanking hard, and chose to give us Super Metroid and DKC instead. They basically made 1994 the greatest gaming year of all time, and that's around when they won.
Breaking the Sony deal led directly into the creation of the Playstation and Nintendo's placing second and third in the subsequent two generations as Sony first created and then maintained (and is now destroying, it seems) a highly successful gaming brand.
I have to wonder if Nintendo avoided CDs for the 64 primarily because they were paying attention to the Sega CD and assumed that the medium was worthless.
Funny thing about this interview is that I pretty much agree with the idea that he is putting forth. It does make no sense for Sony Europe to slash the price so soon, it makes them look like they have no confidence at all in their system. He also admits that the system isn't selling well, which is a breath of fresh air.
Yeah, but... Christmas won't be crucial for the system? It'll be the PS3's first Christmas in Europe. How could it not be crucial for the system? I'm still not convinced Reeves knows what the hell is going on.
I did ignore that, didn't I? Of course it is important, but c'mon now, the PS3 is going to have eight more christmases so one bad one won't be that big of a deal.
True dat. A ten year cycle of glorious 4D gaming.
Anyway, I do see your earlier point--it's nice to see a Sony exec conscious of the fact that it isn't a good idea to look arrogant in the press. Also, on the price drop front, SCEE really can't announce a price drop even if they're planning one until they do, in fact, drop the price. It's SOP in the gaming world--companies always deny a price drop until it happens, to keep sales from stagnating too much. The problem is, will PS3 stagnate too much? Anyone who thought FIVE HUNDRED AND NINETY NINE US DOLLARS was too high must surely go into sticker shock when they see the EU price.
Sounds like you guys are lucky to be able to buy one at all
I have two friends that own PS3s actually. Although they both have excessive spending money.
A friend's brother-in-law actually has two PS3s. He picked them both up at launch with the plan of having one hooked up to his main HDTV downstairs and one upstairs. He's obviously got more money than sense. Anyway, he's now in the market to sell one of the systems and was trying to get me to buy one form him when I was looking to buy a PS3. I refused, went to Best Buy, and took advantage of the price drop. I could have bought the thing from him but I refuse to reward stupidity...
So what is the story behind the I have three PS3s guy anyways? Was it done during launch to make people jealous or is it supposed to be some sort of giant "lol sony" from some disgruntled EBAYer?
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edited July 2007
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This... this has been your 'Oh, Sony' for July 23rd, 2007.
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edited July 2007
LOL Sony.
This is the only thing thats stopping me from buying a PS3 right now, and they just wave the idea in front of my face?
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And yeah, if Sony can't make up any ground this holiday, they have lost. There's no such thing as a "come-from-behind" victory in the console market, success and failure tend to snowball. It'll be a two-horse race after 2007 if Sony isn't committed to stepping up.
The best I can think of was lolsony.
I mean... honestly, was someone in Sony thinking to themselves "If we make people pay less money for our overpriced system that is selling poorly mainly because we don't have any games for it and it's too expensive, it'll make people MAD!"?
Third: WTF Sony? How the hell can you be at it again? It's only been a week. Or do you seriously think that merely being in the Monday news blogs for your increasingly stupid decisions is going to sell extra consoles?
Becaus it really isn't, y'know...
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I'll have a stab;
Sony are working hard on maintaining the glorious aura of expensive prestige which surrounds the Playstation 3, if we allowed all that Eurotrash riff raff to purchase the Playstation 3 at a lower price point, they would never know the glorious sense of accomplishment bestowed upon them from our Majesty, after working a second job to afford one.
Also, you just might need a second mortgage for our awesomeness, so better stop all those thoughts of raising a family right there, sunshine.
Sony - dutifully curing your overpopulation problems across Europe since Spring 2007.
I have two friends that own PS3s actually. Although they both have excessive spending money.
A friend's brother-in-law actually has two PS3s. He picked them both up at launch with the plan of having one hooked up to his main HDTV downstairs and one upstairs. He's obviously got more money than sense. Anyway, he's now in the market to sell one of the systems and was trying to get me to buy one form him when I was looking to buy a PS3. I refused, went to Best Buy, and took advantage of the price drop. I could have bought the thing from him but I refuse to reward stupidity...
No, I think it's pretty safe to say that the people who ponied up the full price (what was it again, 425GBP?) for a PS3 have come to terms with the price they paid. I don't think a price drop would annoy them as much as you'd expect.
If you don't want to reward stupidity, you should've bought it from him, but refused to pay more than $300. Then he's out $300 with absolutely nothing to show for it.
Seriously. Nothing yanks my chain more. GOD it fucking pisses me off.
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pretty-much, yeah. You should pay for a console when you're happy to exchange the money for the goods, not for some other reason. Otherwise they should never drop the price of the console, because there'll always be someone who bought it the previous week for a higher price. Sucks, but that's how it works.
Seriously, guys. Everything is fine.
Two PS3s isn't nearly as good as three PS3s.
Actually, the Genesis was outselling the SNES for most of its lifetime, but the SNES pulled ahead in the last couple of years, while Sega was pushing the Sega CD and 32X and Nintendo was being sane (and putting out some of the greatest games of all time). But that was the one exception. :P
That was great. It was mildly amusing up to the point where he whipped out the cake. Then I sprayed coffee all over my book. I've never done that before. Thanks.
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But the Genesis and SNES were neck and neck most of the time, and there really wasn't any third player to speak of. (yes, the TurboGraphix and Neo Geo are not to speak of). The PS3 is starting out a distant third and staying there. If it was even remotely close to either the Wii or the 360, I'd say it had a shot, but right now? Doesn't really look like it.
And Nintendo wasn't being sane at the time. Nintendo was busy making a deal with Sony, then breaking it, then making a deal with Phillips and breaking that. We just didn't see the effects of Nintendo's stupidity of the time until a couple years later.
Starting the deals in the first place was the bad idea. They were being sane by wisely choosing to cut their losses and forget about the whole CD thing (at least for the SNES, the N64 is another story entirely). They saw that the Sega CD was tanking hard, and chose to give us Super Metroid and DKC instead. They basically made 1994 the greatest gaming year of all time, and that's around when they won.
Breaking the Sony deal led directly into the creation of the Playstation and Nintendo's placing second and third in the subsequent two generations as Sony first created and then maintained (and is now destroying, it seems) a highly successful gaming brand.
Yeah, but... Christmas won't be crucial for the system? It'll be the PS3's first Christmas in Europe. How could it not be crucial for the system? I'm still not convinced Reeves knows what the hell is going on.
I did ignore that, didn't I? Of course it is important, but c'mon now, the PS3 is going to have eight more christmases so one bad one won't be that big of a deal.
I have to wonder if Nintendo avoided CDs for the 64 primarily because they were paying attention to the Sega CD and assumed that the medium was worthless.
True dat. A ten year cycle of glorious 4D gaming.
Anyway, I do see your earlier point--it's nice to see a Sony exec conscious of the fact that it isn't a good idea to look arrogant in the press. Also, on the price drop front, SCEE really can't announce a price drop even if they're planning one until they do, in fact, drop the price. It's SOP in the gaming world--companies always deny a price drop until it happens, to keep sales from stagnating too much. The problem is, will PS3 stagnate too much? Anyone who thought FIVE HUNDRED AND NINETY NINE US DOLLARS was too high must surely go into sticker shock when they see the EU price.
So what is the story behind the I have three PS3s guy anyways? Was it done during launch to make people jealous or is it supposed to be some sort of giant "lol sony" from some disgruntled EBAYer?
This... this has been your 'Oh, Sony' for July 23rd, 2007.
This is the only thing thats stopping me from buying a PS3 right now, and they just wave the idea in front of my face?
LOL SONY!!!!
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