Oh man. They just keep pushing themselves faster and faster down this terrible path. I just had an image of what the PS3 is. They're a train heading towards a burning chemical factory. The engineer (Sony) keeps saying "Stoke the fires men! If we pick up enough speed we might derail and totally miss that factory!"
That was the best boss in Starfox 64.
Aw, I wanted to make that connection.
But really, the train engineer did try something sensible. It was way, way too late by then, but he did try.
I have not seen a similar effort by Sony just yet. :P
Balefuego: Uh, Killzone 1 sold over 2 million copies... Or is that nothing?
Well, I'm not calling you a liar, and Wikipedia is NOT the end-all-be-all source for information, but according to the wiki, the PS2 game sales look like this:
Grand Theft Auto: Vice City (13 million)
Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (12 million)
Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec (11 million)
Grand Theft Auto III (11 million)
Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty (7 million)
Kingdom Hearts (5.6 million shipped)
Final Fantasy X (5 million)
Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater (3.7 million)
Final Fantasy XII (3.68 million approximately, 2.38 million in Japan, 1.3 million in US,)
Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King (3.6 million in Japan)
Madden NFL 2004 (3.5 million in US)
Kingdom Hearts II (3.5 million shipped)
Jak and Daxter: The Precursor Legacy (3.2 million)
Final Fantasy X-2 (3 million)
WWE SmackDown! vs. RAW 2006 (2.9 million)
Madden NFL 07 (2.8 million in US)
Need for Speed: Underground (2.6 million in US)
Medal of Honor: Frontline (2.5 million in US)
Devil May Cry (2.16 million)
Spider-Man: The Movie (2.1 million in US)
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3 (2.1 million in US)
Onimusha: Warlords (2.02 million)
WWE SmackDown! vs. RAW (2 million)
Resident Evil 4 (2 million)
Onimusha 2: Samurai's Destiny (1.99 million)
ATV Offroad Fury (1.7 million in US)
NBA Street (1.7 million in US)
Dragon Ball Z: Budokai (1.7 million in US)
ESPN NFL 2K5 (1.7 million in US)
Crash Bandicoot: The Wrath of Cortex (1.7 million in US)
Ace Combat 04: Shattered Skies (1.7 million in US)
Devil May Cry 2 (1.7 million)
Yakuza (1.7 million)
Dragon Quest V (1.61 million in Japan)
Max Payne (1.6 million in US)
The Simpsons Road Rage (1.6 million in US)
NBA Live 2005 (1.6 million in US)
Onimusha 3: Demon Siege (1.52 million)
Midnight Club: Street Racing (1.5 million in US)
Star Wars: Battlefront (1.5 million in US)
James Bond 007: Agent Under Fire (1.5 million in US)
The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers (1.5 million in US)
True Crime: Streets of LA (1.5 million in US)
Resident Evil Outbreak (1.45 million)
Tekken Tag Tournament (1.4 million in US)
Mortal Kombat: Deadly Alliance (1.4 million in US)
SOCOM: U.S. Navy SEALs (1.4 million in US)
Resident Evil Code: Veronica X (1.4 million)
Guitar Hero II (1.3 million in US)
Devil May Cry 3: Dante's Awakening (1.3 million)
Enter the Matrix (1.2 million in US)
Call of Duty: Finest Hour (1.2 million in US)
NCAA Football 06 (1.2 million in US)
Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 2 (1.18 million)
Spider-Man 2 (1.12 million in US)
Ratchet & Clank (1.1 million in US)
Hitman 2: Silent Assassin (1.1 million in US)
Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon (1.1 million in US)
The Sims (1.1 million in US)
WWE SmackDown! Shut Your Mouth (1.1 million in US)
Winning Eleven 10 (1.04 million in Japan)
God of War (1 million in US)
ESPN NBA 2K5 (1 million in US)
Pac-Man World 2 (1 million in US)
MVP Baseball 2005 (1 million in US)
Lego Star Wars: The Video Game (1 million in US)
The Getaway (1 million in US)
Tiger Woods PGA Tour 2004 (1 million in US)
NCAA Football '07 (1 million in US)
Bully (1 million)
Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories (1 million in US)
Total PlayStation 2 games shipped as of March 2006: 1.047 billion.
I don't see Killzone anywhere on there, which according to Wikipedia means it sold less than a million copies. In fact, the only place I've found anything saying it sold millions of copies was (ironically) on Wikipedia quoting an unnamed Guerilla staff member saying that Killzone sold a million copies "a few times over" (which was uncited).
They only add data where they can find some sort of media confirmation, so there's probably a bunch of games that they're missing solely because they couldn't find solid data on them. If you can find an article with numbers for Killzone over a million, they'd probably love to have it.
yaknow I'm pro Sony and pro-ps3, but sweet jesus their business decisions ever since the launch have been retarded. everytime they do something to save face in one way they lose it in another. I do love my ps3 and I have 8 games for it. All of which I feel are excellent buys, but jesus....they're just being idiotic. Sony really does have some fantastic looking things comming out for the PS3 in terms of applications and games, but man I wish they could start making sense.
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yaknow I'm pro Sony and pro-ps3, but sweet jesus their business decisions ever since the launch have been retarded. everytime they do something to save face in one way they lose it in another. I do love my ps3 and I have 8 games for it. All of which I feel are excellent buys, but jesus....they're just being idiotic. Sony really does have some fantastic looking things comming out for the PS3 in terms of applications and games, but man I wish they could start making sense.
I don't have a PS3 yet (due to the price mostly) but I agree with you.
They only add data where they can find some sort of media confirmation, so there's probably a bunch of games that they're missing solely because they couldn't find solid data on them. If you can find an article with numbers for Killzone over a million, they'd probably love to have it.
I don't know about now but they used to also take their figures from vgcharts.org, which isn't exactly a reliable site.
WHY: The armour is definitely more detailed than the blocky piece of crap stormtroopers wear but they're still ridiculously similar. Right down to the 'gas mask' headgear they're wearing.
Five minutes after wondering what my LOL Sony laugh of the day would be, I decided to check my mail and found a card from SOE! What a surprise! Let us see what it says.
Thank you for playing Vanguard: Saga of Heroes. Our records reflect you have cancelled your account, We are hard at work addressing the community's feedback and requests and in the meantime thought you may enjoy another one of Sony Online Entertainment's flagship MMOs.
SOE would like to offer you a FREE digital copy of EQ II.... log into your station account now and play for free until 11:59PM PT Sep 15th 2007
Everquest II has undergone trenmendous enhancements in its 2+ years - it's truly what EQ II was meant to be. The game is thriving, espeecially with the addition of a new playable race and starting city that came compliments of Game Update 35 in May!
I'm just waiting for 2008 so I can trade in my Wii and games for a PS3.
Hopefully the price will have gone down for the xmas season but I doubt it.
Are.. Are you feeling okay?
Also, "Lol, Sony".
god forbid someone is not enjoying their wii.
Who doesn't like their Wii? Well, other than certain women.
Edit: It just seems odd to me that somebody would sell a game system once supply has started to meet demand and more games are expected to start coming out for it.
I'm just waiting for 2008 so I can trade in my Wii and games for a PS3.
Hopefully the price will have gone down for the xmas season but I doubt it.
Are.. Are you feeling okay?
Also, "Lol, Sony".
god forbid someone is not enjoying their wii.
Who doesn't like their Wii? Well, other than certain women.
Edit: It just seems odd to me that somebody would sell a game system once supply has started to meet demand and more games are expected to start coming out for it.
I'm reminded of people who buy game systems more than one time. They sell it because they're disappointed but then good games come out and they end up getting it again, along with some of the games they sold. This happens over and over. It makes me laugh that anybody can be that dumb.
Five minutes after wondering what my LOL Sony laugh of the day would be, I decided to check my mail and found a card from SOE! What a surprise! Let us see what it says.
Thank you for playing Vanguard: Saga of Heroes. Our records reflect you have cancelled your account, We are hard at work addressing the community's feedback and requests and in the meantime thought you may enjoy another one of Sony Online Entertainment's flagship MMOs.
SOE would like to offer you a FREE digital copy of EQ II.... log into your station account now and play for free until 11:59PM PT Sep 15th 2007
Everquest II has undergone trenmendous enhancements in its 2+ years - it's truly what EQ II was meant to be. The game is thriving, espeecially with the addition of a new playable race and starting city that came compliments of Game Update 35 in May!
That's not bad, actually.
I liked EQ2 enough to play it for free for a month and a half.
I'm just waiting for 2008 so I can trade in my Wii and games for a PS3.
Hopefully the price will have gone down for the xmas season but I doubt it.
Are.. Are you feeling okay?
Also, "Lol, Sony".
god forbid someone is not enjoying their wii.
Who doesn't like their Wii? Well, other than certain women.
Edit: It just seems odd to me that somebody would sell a game system once supply has started to meet demand and more games are expected to start coming out for it.
I'm reminded of people who buy game systems more than one time. They sell it because they're disappointed but then good games come out and they end up getting it again, along with some of the games they sold. This happens over and over. It makes me laugh that anybody can be that dumb.
Because there is no way that someone just plain doesn't like the Wii.
I'm just waiting for 2008 so I can trade in my Wii and games for a PS3.
Hopefully the price will have gone down for the xmas season but I doubt it.
Are.. Are you feeling okay?
Also, "Lol, Sony".
god forbid someone is not enjoying their wii.
Who doesn't like their Wii? Well, other than certain women.
Edit: It just seems odd to me that somebody would sell a game system once supply has started to meet demand and more games are expected to start coming out for it.
I'm reminded of people who buy game systems more than one time. They sell it because they're disappointed but then good games come out and they end up getting it again, along with some of the games they sold. This happens over and over. It makes me laugh that anybody can be that dumb.
Because there is no way that someone just plain doesn't like the Wii.
Not liking the Wii now is understandable.
Saying "I'm definitely going to sell my Wii in 2008, after all the highly-anticipated games come out" is stupid.
I'm just waiting for 2008 so I can trade in my Wii and games for a PS3.
Hopefully the price will have gone down for the xmas season but I doubt it.
Are.. Are you feeling okay?
Also, "Lol, Sony".
god forbid someone is not enjoying their wii.
Who doesn't like their Wii? Well, other than certain women.
Edit: It just seems odd to me that somebody would sell a game system once supply has started to meet demand and more games are expected to start coming out for it.
I'm reminded of people who buy game systems more than one time. They sell it because they're disappointed but then good games come out and they end up getting it again, along with some of the games they sold. This happens over and over. It makes me laugh that anybody can be that dumb.
Because there is no way that someone just plain doesn't like the Wii.
I hope you're not responding to me because that's not what I said AT ALL.
Five minutes after wondering what my LOL Sony laugh of the day would be, I decided to check my mail and found a card from SOE! What a surprise! Let us see what it says.
Thank you for playing Vanguard: Saga of Heroes. Our records reflect you have cancelled your account, We are hard at work addressing the community's feedback and requests and in the meantime thought you may enjoy another one of Sony Online Entertainment's flagship MMOs.
SOE would like to offer you a FREE digital copy of EQ II.... log into your station account now and play for free until 11:59PM PT Sep 15th 2007
Everquest II has undergone trenmendous enhancements in its 2+ years - it's truly what EQ II was meant to be. The game is thriving, espeecially with the addition of a new playable race and starting city that came compliments of Game Update 35 in May!
That's not bad, actually.
I liked EQ2 enough to play it for free for a month and a half.
Besides, SOE isn't even a part of SCE. It's owned by Sony Pictures.
I'm just waiting for 2008 so I can trade in my Wii and games for a PS3.
Hopefully the price will have gone down for the xmas season but I doubt it.
Are.. Are you feeling okay?
Also, "Lol, Sony".
god forbid someone is not enjoying their wii.
Who doesn't like their Wii? Well, other than certain women.
Edit: It just seems odd to me that somebody would sell a game system once supply has started to meet demand and more games are expected to start coming out for it.
I'm reminded of people who buy game systems more than one time. They sell it because they're disappointed but then good games come out and they end up getting it again, along with some of the games they sold. This happens over and over. It makes me laugh that anybody can be that dumb.
Because there is no way that someone just plain doesn't like the Wii.
Not liking the Wii now is understandable.
Saying "I'm definitely going to sell my Wii in 2008, after all the highly-anticipated games come out" is stupid.
Because all of the "highly anticipated games" do not interest me at all. While at the same time, the PS3 will be housing all of the titles that I'm looking forward to.
Because all of the "highly anticipated games" do not interest me at all. While at the same time, the PS3 will be housing all of the titles that I'm looking forward to.
I'm not trying to flame you dude, because I don't think a Wii is worth it right now either.
But I am honestly really curious. If Metroid and Mario and Smash Bros, etc. don't interest you.... why did you buy a Wii in the first place?
It's not so much the games, it's the remote. I bought it with very high hopes for the waggle, and it turned out to be very underwhelming. So far they haven't done anything with the remote that can't just as easily be done with a controller. If this changes with Metroid or Mario or Smash Brothers then we'll see, but so far I haven't seen a lick of evidence to prove that this will be the case.
It's not so much the games, it's the remote. I bought it with very high hopes for the waggle, and it turned out to be very underwhelming. So far they haven't done anything with the remote that can't just as easily be done with a controller. If this changes with Metroid or Mario or Smash Brothers then we'll see, but so far I haven't seen a lick of evidence to prove that this will be the case.
Well, it's not so much that it CAN'T be done with a controller. It's that it adds another level of enjoyment to the game. Take RE4. I loved the GC version so much, I was weary of spending $30 on the same damn game. Let me tell you, I will probably never touch the GC version again.
And I'll tell you something else, Prime 3 will be the same way. I don't know if you're expecting the controller to be a replacement for controls, but it still does a hell of a good job with adding to them and making things just plain more fun. Also, why didn't you try it before you bought it?
The lesson: never ever ever ever EVER buy a console unless there's a game (preferably several) out RIGHT NOW that you absolutely MUST play. The wiimote is just a paperweight without a cool game to play it with.
Buying a console based on "potential" alone is just setting yourself up for disappointment.
It's not so much the games, it's the remote. I bought it with very high hopes for the waggle, and it turned out to be very underwhelming. So far they haven't done anything with the remote that can't just as easily be done with a controller. If this changes with Metroid or Mario or Smash Brothers then we'll see, but so far I haven't seen a lick of evidence to prove that this will be the case.
What I don't understand is the wait. Why not sell the Wii right now while supply hasn't reached the frothing demand? Or when the most holy-trinity-of-awesome-games-ever is just about to break? Or during Christmas when parents are willing to commit genocide for one?
It's just the 2008 thing that's throwing me for the loop.
No, really, that's what was said on the "independent" blog Three Speech straight from SCEE's president.
Sony Computer Entertainment Europe president David Reeves has said that a European PlayStation 3 price cut - similar to the $100 drop announced in America - would "annoy a lot of people", justifying the European Value Pack, which comes bundled with two games and two controllers.
Speaking on the semi-official PlayStation blog Three Speech, Reeves explained that the summer period just isn't the right time to start slashing costs: "The sales rate goes up for a couple of weeks, because there's not much demand out there, and then the sales rate comes down again until you get to the end of September/the beginning of October and it all starts to heat up".
He added that the US price drop was more acceptable as the PS3 has been on sale there for more than six months. However, Reeves would not speculate as to whether Europe might receive a reduction in a similar time frame.
"We have a plan and we're going to stick to it," he said. "We are confident but not arrogant about reaching a very, very good installed base on PS3, and having the same momentum that we had with the PS2. We're not putting our heads in the sand - we know it's not selling that well, but we know that it's selling according to the targets."
As Reeves put it, "I see this more as kind of like a tsunami. It starts out small and gathers speed and eventually, after four or five years, it will start to take you over." That being the case, Reeves noted that this Christmas isn't critical for Sony, with the company looking ahead to Christmas 2008 for the PS3 to really take off.
It's not so much the games, it's the remote. I bought it with very high hopes for the waggle, and it turned out to be very underwhelming. So far they haven't done anything with the remote that can't just as easily be done with a controller. If this changes with Metroid or Mario or Smash Brothers then we'll see, but so far I haven't seen a lick of evidence to prove that this will be the case.
What I don't understand is the wait. Why not sell the Wii right now while supply hasn't reached the frothing demand? Or when the most holy-trinity-of-awesome-games-ever is just about to break? Or during Christmas when parents are willing to commit genocide for one?
It's just the 2008 thing that's throwing me for the loop.
If you wanted to be smart about it, you'd sell off the system NOW, while you'll still get the largest return on it, and then when the other games come out, buy a new system if they are worth it, or if not, don't bother.
Unless you are ENTIRELY risk adverse (which you obviously aren't) this is really the smart way to do things, if you really don't like the system, as you've claimed.
It's not so much the games, it's the remote. I bought it with very high hopes for the waggle, and it turned out to be very underwhelming. So far they haven't done anything with the remote that can't just as easily be done with a controller. If this changes with Metroid or Mario or Smash Brothers then we'll see, but so far I haven't seen a lick of evidence to prove that this will be the case.
What I don't understand is the wait. Why not sell the Wii right now while supply hasn't reached the frothing demand? Or when the most holy-trinity-of-awesome-games-ever is just about to break? Or during Christmas when parents are willing to commit genocide for one?
It's just the 2008 thing that's throwing me for the loop.
Mostly just for Metroid. I haven't been interested in a Mario game for ten years, but I loved the first two Primes so I'm still going to give this one a try.
I mean, I don't want to not like the Wii, but when it just goes completely unused for weeks at a time, it leaves a guy wondering if his money was ill spent.
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Lol @ waggle underwater.
But really, the train engineer did try something sensible. It was way, way too late by then, but he did try.
I have not seen a similar effort by Sony just yet. :P
I hear the PS3 is doing a killing in Atlantis. The mermaids just won't shut up about it.
Well, I'm not calling you a liar, and Wikipedia is NOT the end-all-be-all source for information, but according to the wiki, the PS2 game sales look like this:
I don't see Killzone anywhere on there, which according to Wikipedia means it sold less than a million copies. In fact, the only place I've found anything saying it sold millions of copies was (ironically) on Wikipedia quoting an unnamed Guerilla staff member saying that Killzone sold a million copies "a few times over" (which was uncited).
Just sayin'.
You know, that would be really annoying too.
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I don't have a PS3 yet (due to the price mostly) but I agree with you.
I wish they would just shut the hell up.
I don't know about now but they used to also take their figures from vgcharts.org, which isn't exactly a reliable site.
WHY: The armour is definitely more detailed than the blocky piece of crap stormtroopers wear but they're still ridiculously similar. Right down to the 'gas mask' headgear they're wearing.
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Hopefully the price will have gone down for the xmas season but I doubt it.
Are.. Are you feeling okay?
Also, "Lol, Sony".
Maybe he's anti-waggle
god forbid someone is not enjoying their wii.
Who doesn't like their Wii? Well, other than certain women.
Edit: It just seems odd to me that somebody would sell a game system once supply has started to meet demand and more games are expected to start coming out for it.
I'm reminded of people who buy game systems more than one time. They sell it because they're disappointed but then good games come out and they end up getting it again, along with some of the games they sold. This happens over and over. It makes me laugh that anybody can be that dumb.
I liked EQ2 enough to play it for free for a month and a half.
Because there is no way that someone just plain doesn't like the Wii.
Not liking the Wii now is understandable.
Saying "I'm definitely going to sell my Wii in 2008, after all the highly-anticipated games come out" is stupid.
I hope you're not responding to me because that's not what I said AT ALL.
8-)
Besides, SOE isn't even a part of SCE. It's owned by Sony Pictures.
Awesome.
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Because all of the "highly anticipated games" do not interest me at all. While at the same time, the PS3 will be housing all of the titles that I'm looking forward to.
I'm not trying to flame you dude, because I don't think a Wii is worth it right now either.
But I am honestly really curious. If Metroid and Mario and Smash Bros, etc. don't interest you.... why did you buy a Wii in the first place?
Well, it's not so much that it CAN'T be done with a controller. It's that it adds another level of enjoyment to the game. Take RE4. I loved the GC version so much, I was weary of spending $30 on the same damn game. Let me tell you, I will probably never touch the GC version again.
And I'll tell you something else, Prime 3 will be the same way. I don't know if you're expecting the controller to be a replacement for controls, but it still does a hell of a good job with adding to them and making things just plain more fun. Also, why didn't you try it before you bought it?
Buying a console based on "potential" alone is just setting yourself up for disappointment.
That's pounds, not Euros.
What I don't understand is the wait. Why not sell the Wii right now while supply hasn't reached the frothing demand? Or when the most holy-trinity-of-awesome-games-ever is just about to break? Or during Christmas when parents are willing to commit genocide for one?
It's just the 2008 thing that's throwing me for the loop.
Honestly, proper business sense would say that a price drop in Europe IS a bad idea so son, and it WOULD alienate and annoy current customers.
But you don't SAY that explicitly, or else you've just done the exact same thing, only without the benefit of the slight sales bump.
If you wanted to be smart about it, you'd sell off the system NOW, while you'll still get the largest return on it, and then when the other games come out, buy a new system if they are worth it, or if not, don't bother.
Unless you are ENTIRELY risk adverse (which you obviously aren't) this is really the smart way to do things, if you really don't like the system, as you've claimed.
Mostly just for Metroid. I haven't been interested in a Mario game for ten years, but I loved the first two Primes so I'm still going to give this one a try.
I mean, I don't want to not like the Wii, but when it just goes completely unused for weeks at a time, it leaves a guy wondering if his money was ill spent.