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FiOS

Demon LemonDemon Lemon Registered User regular
edited July 2007 in Help / Advice Forum
Hey everybody,
just wondering if FiOS is a viable option for new internet.
Does it work on Mac and will it not be a bitch to get it for Mac.

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  • RhinoRhino TheRhinLOL Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    From what I've heard it is super reliable and super fast.
    I would get it in a heart beat if it was available around here. :(

    Yes, it should work with a Mac just fine (or any Modern OS for that matter)

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  • Demon LemonDemon Lemon Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Would you have to call them up to see if it was available in your area?

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  • DaedalusDaedalus Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Watch the fuck out, because they're going to cut the copper phone/cable lines to your house when they install it, so you're stuck with their plan. I think you can ask them to leave the copper lines hooked up, not sure.

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  • Demon LemonDemon Lemon Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Holy gawd mother of heseus.

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  • Demon LemonDemon Lemon Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Yeah it's not available in my area.
    Looks like i'm moving to Switzerland!

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  • contrabandcontraband Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Yeah it's not available in my area.
    Looks like i'm moving to Switzerland!


    50gb/s isn't bad ;)

    edit: i meant sweden :O

    (and it's also just one case, for a publicity stunt, but you get the point)

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  • Demon LemonDemon Lemon Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    well i knew it was fast but damn

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  • JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Uhh, GIGAbits per second? I think you mean megabits.

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  • contrabandcontraband Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Jasconius wrote: »
    Uhh, GIGAbits per second? I think you mean megabits.

    Nope!

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  • KMFurDMKMFurDM Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited July 2007
    As a user of FiOS I have to say it is a massive improvement over the Comcast cable internet I had before. It is much more reliable and much faster. No burst rates, it's just as fast as what you pay for. The reliability is what really makes the biggest difference though. I never have to reset my router and there is no modem to deal with, at least for my setup. There is just a CAT5 cable that comes out of the ONT right into my router and since changing the firmware on my router to DD-WRT it has been faultless. Having them pull the copper hasn't been a big deal at all either. I hardly use the home phone for anything these days because like many people, the cell phone has more or less replaced it.

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  • RuckusRuckus Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Everyone I know who got it (like 3 people) likes it. As for Mac compatability, my gut tells me that your Mac won't know the difference between Cable or FiOs, other than more bandwidth. It's just a different medium to transmit your standard TCP/IP connections.

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  • XaquinXaquin Right behind you!Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    FiOS is awesome .... too bad only a very very small portion of the country has it =/

    hell, I live 25 minutes from D.C. and I can only get dial up

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  • darkgruedarkgrue Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    I have a business FiOS connection at home, and it does indeed rock.

    Only downsides to it are:

    The installation is relatively complicated. Getting the fiber actually physically to your house and to your demarkation point can be a huge hassle and tear up your yard (or better yet, your neighbor's yard). My home was new construction, had the fiber already pulled into the service box on the side of the house, and was pre-wired with both a structured wiring system and a AC outlet in the box. Even so, I recall the install took about two hours just to mount everything, connect the wires, and test. My install went as smoothly as it could possibly be (and it was pretty much the absolute most ideal conditions for an install), some others on teh interwebs have reported nightmarish install tales of woe.

    Unlike cable or Plain Old Telephone Service, FiOS isn't self-powered. The phone system is on independent power, so is cable (if they bothered with backup power for all the nodes in the chain - some cable plants aren't fully self-powered in that respect). FiOS can't. So if you lose power to the FiOS box, you're reliant upon the teeny UPS they install with it for power, and once that runs out, you're incommunicado (this is true for whatever services you are running through the box: voice; data; or in limited markets, TV).

    I've been very happy with the service and speed, and the business tech support is really pretty good. I can't speak to the residential service's support, which isn't the same.

    As others have mentioned, the interface off of the ONT is Ethernet, so if you speak TCP/IP, you're good to go. There's nothing exotic about it. You'll need a router if you're going to hook up multiple systems (which most times they throw in free as a promotional goody). I have 5 static IPs, which isn't the same as residential service, so my network equipment's configured differently than residential would be, but I don't have to mess with any PPOE logins or anything like that (I don't think the residential service uses PPOE either, but I don't know for sure). Just plug in, set my IPs, netmasks, default route, and DNS servers and go. Don't have to bother with any special software or nothin'.

    You'll most likely really like it. If you can get it.

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  • KMFurDMKMFurDM Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited July 2007
    Residential support was quick and efficient the one time I have had to call in the 10 months of having the service. Just a billing issue that was taken care of with no argument. But for a call about the service itself? Not one. Again, it has been faultless for me.

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  • Demon LemonDemon Lemon Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Does anyone live in the Atlanta area and tell me if it's possible to get FiOS there.
    I really hate living in the rural areas right now and willing to move.

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  • RaereRaere Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Does anyone live in the Atlanta area and tell me if it's possible to get FiOS there.
    I really hate living in the rural areas right now and willing to move.

    Doesn't look like it according to dslreport's user-generated map. They have over 1000 confirmed locations, and there's nothing in or near Atlanta.

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  • Demon LemonDemon Lemon Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Well crap.

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  • cooljammer00cooljammer00 Hey Small Christmas-Man!Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    my HS economics teacher had it, and I think he lives in Long Island, so move there.

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  • tsmvengytsmvengy Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Or move to the DC suburbs - they have FiOS everywhere outside the city, but inside? NOPE!

    Edit: Jerks.

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  • GihgehlsGihgehls Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    FiOS residential service does indeed use PPPoE. My install took a long time, about 5 or 6 hours. In many places where fios is available they have already run the cable up to the houses. The tech installs the ONT (optical network terminator) and out from there comes an ethernet jack and four RJ-12 jacks for phone. The tech installs an ethernet plate into your wall so you can just plug it in.

    Cutting the copper to your house shouldn't really be a big deal. It is only there to give you phone service anyway, and i'm pretty sure the fios system will work for more than 12 hours on battery power.

    EDIT: And yes, fios rocks super hard. I didn't even notice any server/port restrictions on it when I used it (I moved away from my fios, so sad)

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  • darkgruedarkgrue Registered User regular
    edited July 2007
    Gihgehls wrote: »
    FiOS residential service does indeed use PPPoE.

    Ah, that's good to know, in which case folks who want to replace or provide their own FiOS-facing router should make sure that it supports PPoE (it's a feature I've never used, but I imagine the majority of home routers do).
    Gihgehls wrote: »
    Cutting the copper to your house shouldn't really be a big deal. It is only there to give you phone service anyway, and i'm pretty sure the fios system will work for more than 12 hours on battery power.

    Depends on your tolerance for risk, most power outages are short, but there is a significant difference in the way FiOS behaves in a power outage relative to POTS.

    A standard FiOS installation includes a backup battery that will power the voice services for "approximately 4 hours". Verizon documentation reports that the data services are NOT powered when on battery power. Some have reported that the network drops after about 5 minutes leaving POTS only on backup. The battery backup unit (BBU) is set up to shut down the system before the battery is completely drained in order to leave an emergency reserve that can be used by pressing a button on the BBU.

    The FiOS backup battery is a 12V, 7.5amp-hour sealed lead acid battery. The form factor (size, shape) is a very popular one, widely used for equipment backup (e.g. security systems, UPS), manufactured by a number of vendors. Verizon reports the average battery life is 1-4 years. Obviously, you're going to see less run-time as the battery ages (not sure what the roll-off profile looks like though).

    It's probably not a big deal as you mention, but you just need to know what to expect. Also, Verizon doesn't maintain or monitor the battery - you're responsible for that once the warranty on the install runs out. So, unless you are thinking about it, that battery may not be there when you need it.

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  • KMFurDMKMFurDM Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited July 2007
    From what I gather FiOS does not use PPPoE for installations anymore. Mine is just plain old DHCP over a CAT5 from the ONT.

    More recent installations are using Coax from the ONT with DHCP more or less forcing you to use the provided piece of crap router but I have read of ways to get a CAT5 installation done. Basically just asking the installers the right questions.

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