Something kinda just dawned on me. I haven't tried it so I don't know exactly how it works, but what exactly is the point to buying out a security system when you are hacking it. I mean I get the idea, spend some cash and bypass the minigame. But how the hell would that work? Are you stuffing dollar bills in the barrel of a gun turret or.. g-string and that magically makes it your friend?
it just means that the puzzle-challenged retards can hack things too, but will need to find more money to do so. By that, i mean i'm sure it's a gameplay decision, rather than one that's been designed to be consistent with the rest of the game-world.
And I for one am thankful for it because I couldn't do the hacking minigame at all.... I don't know if there was some button to rotate parts but I just couldn't find one.
How the hell did you have a hard time hacking? You just hit the action button on the ? blocks to see what piece they are then you find one you need, you just push the action button to put that piece in your "bank" and then place that piece where you need it.
I have a hard time understanding why anyone would have a hard time doing the slooooow ass easy hacking mini-game.
Unless they were semi-retarded, then I would totally understand.
I think the buyout was added to give people who suck at the minigame a way out of some situations. Although it could probably be justified within some Randian explianation of an 'impartial' security coddles the moochers in society, so security is just another buyable commodity for those who have earned it.
Okay, just ran through the demo a lot slower on hard mode, some cool things I'v noticed-
- I get shivers every time I see Rapture for the first time.
- I was wondering what the large hole was for in front of the banner when you enter the lighthouse. Go to the bathysphere, look up and you get an awesome view of the banner and statue.
- The splicer makes quite a few holes in the bathysphere, someone should look out for these being made (in the celing of it) when it attacks.
- There are a lot of newspapers on the floor of the bathysphere station, can't quite read them on my non-HD tv though.
- Wait outside the door where you get the wrench. A splicer talks to himself about trying to win over a girl and also screams things about it when he attacks you.
- When the two splicers and Big Daddy walk by you when you are barley concious, look around you when you wake up. Where did they come from and where did they go? The splicers are very agile so they could of come in from anywhere but I'm wondering where the Daddy and sister go and come from, I doubt it is from the faulty door.
- Luggage is falling down indicating the plane wreck is right above it, and the luggage gets dragged towards the pull of the water when it flows into the tube. The tube never fully floods when you are in it, most likley due to the fact that if you drowned you wouldn't be able to get back through the tube when you respawned back at the chamber.
- There is a dead cat behind the next chamber as soon s you exit the flooding tube
- The person in the lift pleads with his killers that he won't piss of Ryan again, another indiaction that he rules over these guys like a gangster/mob boss.
- The lift area never fully floods
- Two machineguns can be found, one before you get to the first secutiry camera and one directley opposite the turret in the bathroom
- Hacking the security camera summons bots to kill your foes whenever it sees them
I'd be interested to see how far you can swim out in the intro, but I remembered there was a giant squid down there and freaked the fuck out as I paddled to shore.
There is one thing this game needs and its not extra endings about standing around on the lighthouse..
How come theres no flashlight in the game!
Edit: Oh I thought you could only buy the block in front of the pipes...
See, I could completely see the people building/creating Rapture being like "ya know, what the fuck would we need flashlights for? We're the best engineers in the human race building the perfect city. Our lights aren't ever gonna fail."
There is one thing this game needs and its not extra endings about standing around on the lighthouse..
How come theres no flashlight in the game!
Edit: Oh I thought you could only buy the block in front of the pipes...
See, I could completely see the people building/creating Rapture being like "ya know, what the fuck would we need flashlights for? We're the best engineers in the human race building the perfect city. Our lights aren't ever gonna fail."
Some splicers weild flashlights, I trired picking one up but apprentley the character likes the dark
I just went and preordered the Xbox 360 BioShock Limited Edition... Apparently they're getting 12 copies, and I'm the 12th preorder for it. Good thing I went in today.
I think there is the right amount of dark in the demo - dark enough for atmosphere and scaring the crap out of you, but not Doom3 - how can I tell if the graphics are awesome if I can't see anything dark.
There is one thing this game needs and its not extra endings about standing around on the lighthouse..
How come theres no flashlight in the game!
Edit: Oh I thought you could only buy the block in front of the pipes...
See, I could completely see the people building/creating Rapture being like "ya know, what the fuck would we need flashlights for? We're the best engineers in the human race building the perfect city. Our lights aren't ever gonna fail."
Some splicers weild flashlights, I trired picking one up but apprentley the character likes the dark
ahh, that's what I get for only playing 10 minutes of the demo, facing just one splicer. Dunno why I'm saving the experience for later, I'm reading every damn spoiler here...
But the post I responded to indicated NO flashlights at all found in Rapture...kinda.
I went ahead and pre-ordered it the 360 Limited Edition version on Gamestop.com with overnight shipping so it'll be here on the 21st or else I get all the shipping cost refunded.
I just pray to God that the /b/tards on 4chan don't jerk off on the Big Daddy figure and then post pictures like how they do it with those anime figures.
There is one thing this game needs and its not extra endings about standing around on the lighthouse..
How come theres no flashlight in the game!
Edit: Oh I thought you could only buy the block in front of the pipes...
See, I could completely see the people building/creating Rapture being like "ya know, what the fuck would we need flashlights for? We're the best engineers in the human race building the perfect city. Our lights aren't ever gonna fail."
Some splicers weild flashlights, I trired picking one up but apprentley the character likes the dark
ahh, that's what I get for only playing 10 minutes of the demo, facing just one splicer. Dunno why I'm saving the experience for later, I'm reading every damn spoiler here...
But the post I responded to indicated NO flashlights at all found in Rapture...kinda.
They use them to try and smash open the window at the end of the demo
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Something kinda just dawned on me. I haven't tried it so I don't know exactly how it works, but what exactly is the point to buying out a security system when you are hacking it. I mean I get the idea, spend some cash and bypass the minigame. But how the hell would that work? Are you stuffing dollar bills in the barrel of a gun turret or.. g-string and that magically makes it your friend?
it just means that the puzzle-challenged retards can hack things too, but will need to find more money to do so. By that, i mean i'm sure it's a gameplay decision, rather than one that's been designed to be consistent with the rest of the game-world.
And I for one am thankful for it because I couldn't do the hacking minigame at all.... I don't know if there was some button to rotate parts but I just couldn't find one.
I don't think so, I think it's not exactly like Pipe Dream. You have a swap slot, and you just go through uncovering as many squares as you can until you find the piece you want, put it in the swap slot, then put it where you want it. I presume it gets harder... it's just a race to uncover pieces right now, which is a bit tedious.
Hacking is one aspect of this game I wish they had modeled a bit more thoroughly after System Shock 2 - Not in the mechanics of the minigame, but in the stats and such. I kind of miss the idea of building up your hack skill to take an alternate route through the game, and going back to security systems and doors that were too tough previously to use your newfound hacking abilities. I also miss the urgency behind hacking that was in System Shock 2, where the gameworld was still actually moving while you tried to hack, so any baddies or cameras in the area could see you for the sitting duck that you were. And that was in addition to the hacking timer.
I'm probably just getting needlessly nostalgic. The pipe minigame works fine for Bioshock, though, so I'm not complaining there. I'm thinking that things will get much harder further into the game, and when that happens it will probably feel a bit more frantic.
EDIT: Completely off of the hacking topic, but is there such a thing as the limited PC edition of this game? I can't seem to find any EB/Gamestop anywhere that's going to carry it!
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edited August 2007
Word is that EB/Gamestop have stopped taking orders for the PC version of the LE. Cockasses.
About the minigame this is just a demo; in the full version (perhaps on the higher difficulty) there may be a persistant world while you're hacking. As it stands it's a little too easy; too much reward not enough risk, as it stands there's no reason not to hack everything you see.
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Completely off of the hacking topic, but is there such a thing as the limited PC edition of this game? I can't seem to find any EB/Gamestop anywhere that's going to carry it!
Completely off of the hacking topic, but is there such a thing as the limited PC edition of this game? I can't seem to find any EB/Gamestop anywhere that's going to carry it!
I really don't understand why you guys are so obsessed with the Big Daddy. Its an ugly and badly designed creature aesthetically. Every time I see the thing I think its a joke. Regardless of its in-game durability.
I really don't understand why you guys are so obsessed with the Big Daddy. Its an ugly and badly designed creature aesthetically. Every time I see the thing I think its a joke. Regardless of its in-game durability.
I really don't understand why you guys are so obsessed with the Big Daddy. Its an ugly and badly designed creature aesthetically. Every time I see the thing I think its a joke. Regardless of its in-game durability.
I do believe the point of Big-Daddy is to be a big ugly tank-like creature whose design reflects a mentality of practicality over aesthetics.
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I wonder if not killing the Little Sisters lets you gain the Big Daddies as allies later in the game when the REALLY fucked up enemies start showing up?
Also did you guys notice the Big Daddy welding the metal/glass hallway in the demo?
Makes you wonder if they have other tasks to do besides protecting the Little Sisters and if so, who controls them?
I really don't understand why you guys are so obsessed with the Big Daddy. Its an ugly and badly designed creature aesthetically. Every time I see the thing I think its a joke. Regardless of its in-game durability.
Don't mock Mr. Bubbles
Kill him, Mr. Bubbles! Kill him kill him kill him!
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edited August 2007
Why is Darkwarrior still allowed to have an opinion?
I really don't understand why you guys are so obsessed with the Big Daddy. Its an ugly and badly designed creature aesthetically. Every time I see the thing I think its a joke. Regardless of its in-game durability.
Knowing that DarkWarrior doesn't like something is perfect validation that it must be awesome.
I didn't hear the Hail Atlas... shit I have to play this demo again?... Maybe I'll be able to wait for the actual release.
Have you guys noticed we've spent a good 20 pages of this thread talking about a 20 minute long demo? Is that not just fucking crazy? Is there any other game that elicits such discussion?
Also:
- It would be awesome if you waited for 24 hours at the lighthouse, then you get rescued and the voice-over goes "I was special. I survived." and game over?
- The plane ride was a perfect amount of time; why do you need everything spelt out for you? There is no benefit in talking to the passengers or watching the plane go down into the water except for your own idle fascinations. The thing is meant to be shocking, not actually reflect the tedium of being on an aeroplane. The only thing I didn't need on the plane ride was the voice-over... it's not needed. The only thing it does is remove your ability to project yourself onto him. It seems like the rest of the game will be a Freeman-esque silence fest, Atlus talks at you, and you have nothing to say to all the humans that are fucking you up.
or you wash up on an island.. WITH POLAR BEARS. :[
Also, i just started explaining the story to a friend, and frankly.. it's a mammoth task. So you're a guy that finds an udnerwater city built some 3 years before around objectivist ideals, where they took the best minds from society to a utopian world, discovered some sea-slug that gave them raw stem-cells, used these to modify and 'enhance' themselves however they wanted, but they ran out of these, and everyone went mad through addiction, but some people survived and try to help you escape, to help themselves. Oh, and there's these Little Sisters and Big Daddies..
I really don't understand why you guys are so obsessed with the Big Daddy. Its an ugly and badly designed creature aesthetically. Every time I see the thing I think its a joke. Regardless of its in-game durability.
Wait, are we talking about the Big Daddy or your Dragonball Z avatar?
I really don't understand why you guys are so obsessed with the Big Daddy. Its an ugly and badly designed creature aesthetically. Every time I see the thing I think its a joke. Regardless of its in-game durability.
Wait, are we talking about the Big Daddy or your Dragonball Z avatar?
Ice Burn
Seriously, though. "Astheticly pleasing" is not the same as "lovely".
I really don't understand why you guys are so obsessed with the Big Daddy. Its an ugly and badly designed creature aesthetically. Every time I see the thing I think its a joke. Regardless of its in-game durability.
Wait, are we talking about the Big Daddy or your Dragonball Z avatar?
I really don't understand why you guys are so obsessed with the Big Daddy. Its an ugly and badly designed creature aesthetically. Every time I see the thing I think its a joke. Regardless of its in-game durability.
Wait, are we talking about the Big Daddy or your Dragonball Z avatar?
I really don't understand why you guys are so obsessed with the Big Daddy. Its an ugly and badly designed creature aesthetically. Every time I see the thing I think its a joke. Regardless of its in-game durability.
Wait, are we talking about the Big Daddy or your Dragonball Z avatar?
Zing!
It doesn't exactly have an affect when everything in DBZ is designed excellently and there isn't a person alive who can truthfully say that Super Saiyans don't look all kinds of bad ass.
I wonder if not killing the Little Sisters lets you gain the Big Daddies as allies later in the game when the REALLY fucked up enemies start showing up?
Also did you guys notice the Big Daddy welding the metal/glass hallway in the demo?
Makes you wonder if they have other tasks to do besides protecting the Little Sisters and if so, who controls them?
I looked more closely and it seems that it's not welding the tunnel...it's just watching you/the bathysphere. I may be wrong, though.
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How the hell did you have a hard time hacking? You just hit the action button on the ? blocks to see what piece they are then you find one you need, you just push the action button to put that piece in your "bank" and then place that piece where you need it.
I have a hard time understanding why anyone would have a hard time doing the slooooow ass easy hacking mini-game.
Unless they were semi-retarded, then I would totally understand.
How come theres no flashlight in the game!
Edit: Oh I thought you could only buy the block in front of the pipes...
I never asked for this!
I like.
No flashlight = scary ass shit in the dark.
It's not what you see that scares you, it's what you THINK you saw and also what you hear.
Yeah, if you give me a TORCH I will just use it all the time.
- I get shivers every time I see Rapture for the first time.
- I was wondering what the large hole was for in front of the banner when you enter the lighthouse. Go to the bathysphere, look up and you get an awesome view of the banner and statue.
- The splicer makes quite a few holes in the bathysphere, someone should look out for these being made (in the celing of it) when it attacks.
- There are a lot of newspapers on the floor of the bathysphere station, can't quite read them on my non-HD tv though.
- Wait outside the door where you get the wrench. A splicer talks to himself about trying to win over a girl and also screams things about it when he attacks you.
- When the two splicers and Big Daddy walk by you when you are barley concious, look around you when you wake up. Where did they come from and where did they go? The splicers are very agile so they could of come in from anywhere but I'm wondering where the Daddy and sister go and come from, I doubt it is from the faulty door.
- Luggage is falling down indicating the plane wreck is right above it, and the luggage gets dragged towards the pull of the water when it flows into the tube. The tube never fully floods when you are in it, most likley due to the fact that if you drowned you wouldn't be able to get back through the tube when you respawned back at the chamber.
- There is a dead cat behind the next chamber as soon s you exit the flooding tube
- The person in the lift pleads with his killers that he won't piss of Ryan again, another indiaction that he rules over these guys like a gangster/mob boss.
- The lift area never fully floods
- Two machineguns can be found, one before you get to the first secutiry camera and one directley opposite the turret in the bathroom
- Hacking the security camera summons bots to kill your foes whenever it sees them
I'd be interested to see how far you can swim out in the intro, but I remembered there was a giant squid down there and freaked the fuck out as I paddled to shore.
Anyone remember the Duct Tape mod for Doom 3?
See, I could completely see the people building/creating Rapture being like "ya know, what the fuck would we need flashlights for? We're the best engineers in the human race building the perfect city. Our lights aren't ever gonna fail."
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Some splicers weild flashlights, I trired picking one up but apprentley the character likes the dark
I am a freaking nerd.
ahh, that's what I get for only playing 10 minutes of the demo, facing just one splicer. Dunno why I'm saving the experience for later, I'm reading every damn spoiler here...
But the post I responded to indicated NO flashlights at all found in Rapture...kinda.
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I just pray to God that the /b/tards on 4chan don't jerk off on the Big Daddy figure and then post pictures like how they do it with those anime figures.
I can totally see them doing that.
They use them to try and smash open the window at the end of the demo
Hacking is one aspect of this game I wish they had modeled a bit more thoroughly after System Shock 2 - Not in the mechanics of the minigame, but in the stats and such. I kind of miss the idea of building up your hack skill to take an alternate route through the game, and going back to security systems and doors that were too tough previously to use your newfound hacking abilities. I also miss the urgency behind hacking that was in System Shock 2, where the gameworld was still actually moving while you tried to hack, so any baddies or cameras in the area could see you for the sitting duck that you were. And that was in addition to the hacking timer.
I'm probably just getting needlessly nostalgic. The pipe minigame works fine for Bioshock, though, so I'm not complaining there. I'm thinking that things will get much harder further into the game, and when that happens it will probably feel a bit more frantic.
EDIT: Completely off of the hacking topic, but is there such a thing as the limited PC edition of this game? I can't seem to find any EB/Gamestop anywhere that's going to carry it!
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There definitely is:
I know what I'm getting for my birthday
EDIT: 360 version of course
Don't mock Mr. Bubbles
I do believe the point of Big-Daddy is to be a big ugly tank-like creature whose design reflects a mentality of practicality over aesthetics.
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Also did you guys notice the Big Daddy welding the metal/glass hallway in the demo?
Makes you wonder if they have other tasks to do besides protecting the Little Sisters and if so, who controls them?
Kill him, Mr. Bubbles! Kill him kill him kill him!
Knowing that DarkWarrior doesn't like something is perfect validation that it must be awesome.
or you wash up on an island.. WITH POLAR BEARS. :[
Also, i just started explaining the story to a friend, and frankly.. it's a mammoth task. So you're a guy that finds an udnerwater city built some 3 years before around objectivist ideals, where they took the best minds from society to a utopian world, discovered some sea-slug that gave them raw stem-cells, used these to modify and 'enhance' themselves however they wanted, but they ran out of these, and everyone went mad through addiction, but some people survived and try to help you escape, to help themselves. Oh, and there's these Little Sisters and Big Daddies..
It's not a one-sentence summary.
Wait, are we talking about the Big Daddy or your Dragonball Z avatar?
Ice Burn
Seriously, though. "Astheticly pleasing" is not the same as "lovely".
Fucking burn!
The Bioshock demo is apparently coming soon for PC, and fileplanet subscribers can "preload" it.
Which is a "preload" of bullshit.
Zing!
Which leaves them a window of days.
And is going to influence my decision on which version to purchase heavily.
If there is no PC demo or I have not played one by the 24th I am going for the 360 version.
My PC can probably run Bioshock near to max at a high resolution, but the controls on the 360 were just so good.
A game that I would play with a joypad on the PC instead of keyboard I think. And Im one of those people who adore mouse look.
Yeah I noticed that too.
Some pieces increase the flow speed and others do other shit too so hopefully it'll be more difficult in the retail game.
because they like their pc fans?
It doesn't exactly have an affect when everything in DBZ is designed excellently and there isn't a person alive who can truthfully say that Super Saiyans don't look all kinds of bad ass.
I looked more closely and it seems that it's not welding the tunnel...it's just watching you/the bathysphere. I may be wrong, though.
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