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Pit Bulls - Murderous Ghetto Dog, or Murderous Dog?
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This thread is not to discuss DOG FIGHTING.
Again, this thread is not meant to discuss DOG FIGHTING.
I have a very one sided opinion of Pit Bulls. Call me colored by the media - but it's mostly my own research.
The majority of dog bites that require hospital care/emergency care are caused by Pit Bulls.
Pit Bulls are used for fighting.
Pit Bulls were selectively bred for muscle mass, destructive jaw structure, and aggressiveness.
Now for my opinions:
If you own a Pit Bull, it's for one primary reason. You wanted the machismo/look cool effect above all else.
Pit Bulls are largely owned by owners who don't know how to properly train, care, or handle a deadly animal.
Pit Bulls are an unfortunate cultural phenomena perpetuated by "Street" and "Hip-Hop/Rap" gang-banging culture.
I never trust Pit Bulls. Ever.
I feel that they should be a banned breed in every major city in the US. Population over 200,000? Banned Pit Bulls.
The breed should be eradicated, as it was on the brink of being earlier in the century.
Now, discuss!
Again, this thread is not meant to discuss DOG FIGHTING.
I have a very one sided opinion of Pit Bulls. Call me colored by the media - but it's mostly my own research.
The majority of dog bites that require hospital care/emergency care are caused by Pit Bulls.
Pit Bulls are used for fighting.
Pit Bulls were selectively bred for muscle mass, destructive jaw structure, and aggressiveness.
Now for my opinions:
If you own a Pit Bull, it's for one primary reason. You wanted the machismo/look cool effect above all else.
Pit Bulls are largely owned by owners who don't know how to properly train, care, or handle a deadly animal.
Pit Bulls are an unfortunate cultural phenomena perpetuated by "Street" and "Hip-Hop/Rap" gang-banging culture.
I never trust Pit Bulls. Ever.
I feel that they should be a banned breed in every major city in the US. Population over 200,000? Banned Pit Bulls.
The breed should be eradicated, as it was on the brink of being earlier in the century.
Now, discuss!
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Come the fuck on.
Wikipedia.org. They were specifically bred for fighting. The goddamn name, man.
I've also come to the conclusion that if many pit bulls are bred for fighting, then it would be inevitable that most of the dog bites treated in hospitals are given by pit bulls. This does not, however, mean that a large number of pit bulls are biting people.
"Pit bulls are not bred for dog aggression. Pit bulls, as with any dog, can be aggressive if they are mistreated. Pit bulls are basically hardwired to listen to their owners"
From wikipedia...
I argue that they can never be properly trained and socialized, as they can snap at any moment - and when they do, their physical traits make them much more dangerous than other dogs.
That's not my understanding. They are probably harmless, but I don't think training will entirely erase or override breeding.
The statistics you've shown only prove that possibly, pit bull bites are "worse" than other dog bites.
Banning of breeds of dogs is completely retarded anyways. The biggest problem is the fact that dog owners are not required to do anything other than make sure their dogs stay alive. Nothing is said about treatment other than don't starve, try to kill, or treat it inhumane. And even then, someone needs to complain long before the dogs bite anyone.
I think it's kind of funny the best in show winner for one of the previous years' Westminster Dog Show was in fact, a pit bull. This dog would be confiscated, and euthanized in many cities in this country. Completely absurd when this dog was raised correctly, and so many more are.
My question is, where does it end? If a dog is 50/50 mix pit bull, it needs to be killed? What % is okay?
Regardless of what your answer could be, the idea is completely retarded.
I'll say it once to repeat it all, and for those that believe even this is tl;dr...
RESPONSIBILITY LIES UPON THE OWNER'S HEAD, NOT THE DOG'S.
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That's as in bred for fighting as a subset of species, not as in they cannot be trained to be loveable, family pets. In this case it is the fault of the owner if they have an aggressive dog, not the dog's fault. For god's sake, a spaniel can be aggressive and a danger to people if it's not trained right and not brought up in a loving home!
EDIT: beaten by a much better reply.
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I guess it was just too hard for me to come up with a proper counter argument to your assertion that hip hop is the reason dogs bite people.
Not your sleeve, your arm.
I hear the bigger ones can be worse if not trained properly. We should probably ban them.
Does anyone actually have sources to confirm/deny that?
Well yea, you could say no dog is completely harmless but at the end of the day if the dog is trained properly chances are it won't hurt anyone. Pit bulls are generally no longer bred for aggression so over time that becomes less of a factor.
Breeding means bringing out certain qualities of the dog. "Fighting" may mean strong, hard bite, short hair, things suitable for a dog that will be possibly fighting anything, especially other dogs. This could mean breeding into it strong aggression, and viciousness.
The thing is, this isn't how the dogs turn out. These characteristics are in the breed, along with shortcomings of all purebred dogs, but they need to be emphasized in training.
The simple fact is, if you don't train your dog to be obedient and part of society, it will revert to its natural ways. Dogs aren't that far off from wolves, and they can all be mean as hell if you don't do things right.
Question, is this a real thread? This seems more like trolling, and the people posting in favor of getting rid of the breed aren't exactly partaking in any form of debate or discussion, just spouting crap the media on TV does.
Seems more like a troll thread to me.
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I have only met one nice pitbull. My aunt had it wearing dog cologne....... Don't ask...
Barbaric!
(Seriously though, I didn't know what pit bulls looked like until just recently)
Well, no, you could say that a Welsh Corgie is roughly as dangerous as a large spoon- that is, completely harmless barring something extremely strange and/or Steven Segal.
Pit bulls don't pull this phenomenon off as well. It's a fair point that they are often no longer bred for aggression, but I suspect that the problem of genetics doesn't resolve itself that quickly. Maybe if they were bred explicitely for nonaggression, I could concede the point to you. But they often aren't, to the best of my knowledge.
Fuck you.
Hey, a black guy stole my TV! KILL THEM ALL!
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I may not agree with what you're arguing, but I like how you argue it.
No, you can. But the majority of dog bites is brought on by bad training.
SOTAR, the statement, "dogs aren't born with an aggression" doesn't seem like it holds up, was my issue.
The majority of TVs stolen are stolen by poor people. Ban poor people!
So?
Those damn Little Rascals and 19th and early 20th century people! If it wasn't for their damn "hip-hop", the pit bull breed would have died out a long time ago.
So are chickens.
And banning pit bulls would somehow prevent them from getting a different large breed of dog to abuse?
He said they have a real bad reputation, all for reasons that have been cited already, but he told me the *reason* for this is because the pitbull is a dog that can be trained to do *anything*.
Meaning, you train it to be a bloodlusting psyscho dog, that's what it's going to do. You train it to be a snuggle-bug, that's what it'll be. They are just naturally a dog you can program.
He has a young daughter, and told me that often he has to scold his *daughter* not to be too rough with the dog when they play, and has never feared his dog would lash out and bite on its own.
This is all anecdotal, but take it for what it is.
Hell, head on down to harlem or the south bronx, and any dog breed you see, find that breed everywhere, and kill them.
These ideas are completely unfounded, save for some very speculative personal experiences, or mumbo jumbo someone found on the internet. Bad owners will find dogs to abuse, it's simple fact until people are taught how to raise and love animals.
Sadly, that's the real thing that needs to be done. Train HUMAN BEINGS so they can properly train dogs.
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And hey, something else that's a product of hip-hop! What are you, 50?