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[WoW]More dots, more dots.... okay stop dots (Warlock thread)
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Where X seems to be around 10-15%
http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t15169-warlock_tier4_2_piece_bonus/
Using parsers, EJ theorycraft it at around 20-30 +damage equivalent.
Are you a tailor? Screw the whole set, if you ask me. Frozen Shadoweave has enough raw damage to overcome the loss of the proc. Heck, the set's got enough raw damage that unless your guild is looking at T6 before the next expansion, you're not likely to find higher raw damage. The main concern is losing the hit rating. I use veiled noble topaz for my gems, though, and have 170 hit without t4 (I do currently have leggings until I get another primal nether).
On top of FSW, Spellstrike has more damage and hit than equivalent tier 4, a slightly weaker version of the T4 2 piece bonus, and more sockets. Unless you're in love with that meta socket, that's the way to go. If you're in love with the meta socket, I'd get the T4 helm and gloves and craft the rest.
I already have the full shadowweave set, but it's lacking any crit/hit, so I'm not too fond of it for destro.. gotty try it out with different sockets than +9 damage in all pieces
The 2 set is AWESOME (I think) and the 4 set is just a huge hassle saver. Gives me an extra 3 seconds to throw out another shadow bolt, move around (ex: Shade), or whatever.
do you lack faith, brother?
or do you believe?
The four piece T4 bonus strikes me as being sort of useless; it's nice (and a tiny, tiny DPS boost) to have slightly fewer GCDs spent casting corruption, but it's not that big a deal. It makes you a bit more mana efficient, too, but I've yet to run into a warlock who had mana problems.
do you lack faith, brother?
or do you believe?
Is it true that grinding with the Felguard is slower, but it's better at taking out quest elites? I'm thinking that if you do something like this that you could get the huge bonuses from demo spec without losing the life tap/improved drain soul grind machine.
Any thoughts?
You'll want to loose him anyway for raiding (waste of a point), so might as well get used to not having him around.
I just picked up my lock again, he was stalled at 66. I was attempting to solo those elite nagrand hunting quests as a lock, and was finding it difficult. Until I enslaved the elite felguard legionnaires at the nearby anger camps, and let him do the tanking for me. It is a little less safe then say, having a real felguard, but i think much more fun... Full affliction, btw, so it works an affliction lock, too.
I love being a lock.
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Its still pvp if you are hiding behind a tree
I've tried this too, but enslave breaks early every time I try it. I was able to get a couple of the mentioned quests done, but he keeps breaking free less than a minute into the duration, or halfway through the fight (since I have to run to whatever target I'm trying to kill). I always open with curse of shadow to lower their resistance but I have yet to get even close to five minutes of duration out of 20ish attempts.
But "Death by enraged demon" was one of the risks we assumed when we signed up to be locks.
EDIT: I'M GONNA GET MY OWN FELGUARD WITH BLACKJACK AND HOOKERS
I tried 0/21/40 for a day. I hated it. It was fun when I had a 4.7k incenerate crit in the BG. but it sucked for instances.
I might try 41/0/20, but giving up the 15% boost to stam hurts.
And that is where you fail.
The real 0/21/40 is a shadowbolt build.
nerds
Fixed?
not really. I have about 10K hp fullbuffed atm, 7700 unbuffed. I think this schould be enough for any encounter
do you lack faith, brother?
or do you believe?
Unless you're 20+ in demo; I had to put 5/5 in there just so I was spending points on talents that I would use. Even then I still ended up wasting a talent point on Improved Succubus (olol Seducing in 5-mans) on my way to Demonic Sacrifice.
Is there a way to keep the Felguard and still be a feasible build for heroics?
"Go up, thou bald head." -2 Kings 2:23
Two answers:
1. No. He's not worth the talent investment. You'll have to turn off his cleave or be very careful, because you do not want him breaking traps or sheeps. He'll also die very fast if you try to offtank with him, and the damage he does isn't that great compared to the damage you could do if you specced differently.
2. Once your guild gears up a bit, you can get away with just about any sort of spec as long as you can put up the damage to justify it. Most heroics aren't really that hard in level 70 blues and some crafted/heroic/badge of justice/faction rep/PvP epics.
Basically, the problem with felguard isn't that he's bad, but in order to take him you are giving up the ability to take talents that are much, much better in other trees.
Also, you are not giving Destruction enough credit. Basically, every Warlock regardless of race, creed, color, or spec should have 10 points in Destruction at 70 for Improved Shadowbolt and Bane. Bane is that good. Affliction really doesn't warrant putting 51 points into it, I wouldn't put in more than 43-44, depending on how much Suppression you need, and would cut marginal 5-man talents like Improved Curse of Agony, Improved Curse of Weakness, Malediction, and/or any points in Shadow Embrace beyond the first.
If you really want to keep him though, go a 0/41/?? build where you sacrifice your demon (usually a felhound). Going that deep into demonology will cause a loss in damage compared to a putting a few more points into destruction, but you can get away with it.
Basically, most people stop at DS in the demo tree and put the rest into destro for that particular build.
do you lack faith, brother?
or do you believe?
What I do is figure out the immolate dmg / casttime+cooldown vs shadowbolt dmg / casttime+cooldown. But then there's ISB procs and T4 procs and yeah more complicated stuff I don't want to bother figuring out.
do you lack faith, brother?
or do you believe?
What upgrades should I get next?
I do PvP a fair amount, hence my resilience gems.
Ideas?
The first suggestion is for your talents. If you do instances, you owe it to yourself to get Improved Shadowbolt and Bane. At least. you may want more Destruction than that. Beyond that, unless you are raiding (in which case, you definitely need to regem your FSW), you are wasting all five points in Suppression. You only need 3% for PVP and 5% for regular 5 mans and heroics, and the gear I've seen you wear well exceeded both on the gear alone. If you are raiding, you'd only need 4 points in Suppression in the gear I saw, and probably only 3 if you regemmed your FSW with Veiled Nobles and Glowing Nightseyes.
Your bracers are the best PVE bracers in the game this side of Al'ar. You'd probably be better served by a spellpower enchant than +4 stats, but they're still quite good.
You can upgrade your ring, shoulder enchant, and gain access to making Runic Spellthread by grinding your Scryer rep to Exalted. All three are very good.
I'd replace the +8 stam armor patch on your legs with a Mystic Spellthread (you should be able to create them, 5 primal Mana + Rune Thread), for both more stam and additional spellpower. I'd put this on just about any pair of blue pants I was planning on wearing for a while, and if you got some epic pants crafted, I'd suggest a Runic Spellthread.
Your cloak is quite good, a better PVE one though is the Sethekk Oracle cloak from Talon King Ikiss in Sethekk Halls.
The Wand of the Netherwing off of Blackheart the Inciter from Shadow Labyrinth would be a good wand upgrade for you.
I seem to remember a belt off of the last boss of Steamvaults being quite good, but I can't remember if it's better than the belt you are wearing or not.
Further upgrades past this, for PVE at least, would all pretty much come from either crafting, Heroics, or Karazhan.
It's just fine as far as pre-raid gear goes. There's a lot of loot in heroic dungeons that you can get, as well as badge gear. The 'find an upgrade' feature will tell you where to go.
I would resist the urge to make one set of gear to use for pvp and pve, because you wind up underpowered on both fronts. Getting the honor PvP epics is still pretty easy, and there are other PvP items you can pick up easily from PvE activity (rep, drops, spirit shards.) Putting an 8 resilience gem in the shadoweave gear is silly, as far as I'm concerned, because that stuff just doesn't have the stam / crit to be really good in PvP.
do you lack faith, brother?
or do you believe?
What would you advise?