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    TransporterTransporter Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    I really, really, really want Adam to be more complex than making Hiro suffer or something retarded.

    He has already. The fact that he didn't kill him when he was a child pretty much shows that he understands that in order for him to become what he was "meant" to be, he needed Hiro to fuck up his life.

    Now that Hiro's back, and done what he's needed to do, I expect him to go full on god-complex crazy ass psycho on Hiro's ass.

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    MahnmutMahnmut Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    I really, really, really want Adam to be more complex than making Hiro suffer or something retarded.

    He has already. The fact that he didn't kill him when he was a child pretty much shows that he understands that in order for him to become what he was "meant" to be, he needed Hiro to fuck up his life.

    Now that Hiro's back, and done what he's needed to do, I expect him to go full on god-complex crazy ass psycho on Hiro's ass.

    This assumes that he would have been able to identify baby-Hiro as nemesis-in-Japan-Hiro, which, as has been said, is possible but by no means certain.

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    HooraydiationHooraydiation Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Killing Hiro screws up the timestream, I imagine. Meanwhile, what's the use in punishing someone before they've done anything wrong?

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    Casual EddyCasual Eddy The Astral PlaneRegistered User regular
    edited November 2007
    I would go and bang as many historical figures as possible

    but I guess he wouldn't know they historical figures dangit

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    Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    I really, really, really want Adam to be more complex than making Hiro suffer or something retarded.

    He has already. The fact that he didn't kill him when he was a child pretty much shows that he understands that in order for him to become what he was "meant" to be, he needed Hiro to fuck up his life.

    Or, you know, he's been imprisoned since before Hiro was born, and thus hasn't even begun to have a chance of fucking with him.

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    The_Most_FantasticThe_Most_Fantastic Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    I thought that too, thanks in part to Bioshock. Presumably he chose his own name, so maybe he seems himself as the allfather or whatever.

    Well, he's lived for 400 years, never ages, never dies, and has a confirmed god complex.

    Yes I imagine he named himself Adam.

    Perhaps he's Adam in the sense that he was the first (known) dude with superpowers.

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    Fuzzy Cumulonimbus CloudFuzzy Cumulonimbus Cloud Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Maybe he is the allfather and the company was born from him.
    Maybe all the heroes were born from him.

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    The_Most_FantasticThe_Most_Fantastic Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    I'd like to see a list of all Adam's begots.

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    bloodatonementbloodatonement Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Maybe he is the allfather and the company was born from him.
    Maybe all the heroes were born from him.

    Which would make Hiro his grandson on some level, and might (probably not) distill his wrath.

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    GoumindongGoumindong Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    I thought that too, thanks in part to Bioshock. Presumably he chose his own name, so maybe he seems himself as the allfather or whatever.

    Well, he's lived for 400 years, never ages, never dies, and has a confirmed god complex.

    Yes I imagine he named himself Adam.

    Perhaps he's Adam in the sense that he was the first (known) dude with superpowers.

    Yes, welcome to the post that the first quote in the tree was replying to.

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    GoumindongGoumindong Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Maybe he is the allfather and the company was born from him.
    Maybe all the heroes were born from him.

    Which would make Hiro his grandson on some level, and might (probably not) distill his wrath.

    Which also might mean that after Hiro left, the Princess and Kensei got back togother...

    and ewwwww.

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    Fuzzy Cumulonimbus CloudFuzzy Cumulonimbus Cloud Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Goumindong wrote: »
    Maybe he is the allfather and the company was born from him.
    Maybe all the heroes were born from him.

    Which would make Hiro his grandson on some level, and might (probably not) distill his wrath.

    Which also might mean that after Hiro left, the Princess and Kensei got back togother...

    and ewwwww.
    Time paradox!

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    ZekZek Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Kensei is not his name. It was an alias to begin with, and now it refers to Hiro.

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    Blake TBlake T Do you have enemies then? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    I really, really, really want Adam to be more complex than making Hiro suffer or something retarded.

    I am really hoping that he does save the world rather than take it over.

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    ege02ege02 __BANNED USERS regular
    edited November 2007
    Blaket wrote: »
    I really, really, really want Adam to be more complex than making Hiro suffer or something retarded.

    I am really hoping that he does save the world rather than take it over.

    I think the whole "deciding to do the right thing in the last second" is the most likely progression for his character.

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    Blake TBlake T Do you have enemies then? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    ege02 wrote: »
    Blaket wrote: »
    I really, really, really want Adam to be more complex than making Hiro suffer or something retarded.

    I am really hoping that he does save the world rather than take it over.

    I think the whole "deciding to do the right thing in the last second" is the most likely progression for his character.

    Yeah I know, the problem is I hate that progression.

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    HooraydiationHooraydiation Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    I'd rather see him do something noble, but only to upstage Hiro. That'd be more in keeping with his character.

    "I'm taking back what you robbed from me, Hiro. Every man and woman will know of my sacrifice, and no matter how far into the future you go my name will always be there to remind you who the better man was."

    And Hiro will have succeeded in inspiring Adam to live up to his potential, but not in the way he expected.

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    DarkCrawlerDarkCrawler Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Yeah, but wouldn't that mean that the writers of Heroes can actually...write? :P

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    AroducAroduc regular
    edited November 2007
    ege02 wrote: »
    Blaket wrote: »
    I really, really, really want Adam to be more complex than making Hiro suffer or something retarded.

    I am really hoping that he does save the world rather than take it over.

    I think the whole "deciding to do the right thing in the last second" is the most likely progression for his character.

    I think "getting eaten by Sylar" is the right progression.

    I miss the brain eating. :sadness:

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    SchrodingerSchrodinger Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    I'd rather see him do something noble, but only to upstage Hiro. That'd be more in keeping with his character.

    "I'm taking back what you robbed from me, Hiro. Every man and woman will know of my sacrifice, and no matter how far into the future you go my name will always be there to remind you who the better man was."

    And Hiro will have succeeded in inspiring Adam to live up to his potential, but not in the way he expected.

    There's an Ultimate Fantastic Four like that, with Doom sacrificing himself at the end just to steal the glory from Richards.

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    Mmmm... Cocks...Mmmm... Cocks... Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Aroduc wrote: »
    ege02 wrote: »
    Blaket wrote: »
    I really, really, really want Adam to be more complex than making Hiro suffer or something retarded.

    I am really hoping that he does save the world rather than take it over.

    I think the whole "deciding to do the right thing in the last second" is the most likely progression for his character.

    I think "getting eaten by Sylar" is the right progression.

    I miss the brain eating. :sadness:
    Noooo, of all the characters to have their brains get eaten I'd rather not have it be Adam's.
    He's come a long way and has some great potential I think.

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    Raiden333Raiden333 Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    I like the idea of Adam being really crazy and being the new villain (and convincing Peter to work with him), and the heroes being forced to trust Sylar and help him get his powers back to stop him.

    Then he eats Adam's brain and turns on everyone. And they beat him by launching him into the sun or something.

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    ege02ege02 __BANNED USERS regular
    edited November 2007
    I'd like it if it turned out that Adam heals faster than Sylar can cut his brain open.

    So we find out that he's essentially invulnerable.

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    LineNoizLineNoiz Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    I see Sylar being more interested in his blood than his brain at this point.

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    DarkWarriorDarkWarrior __BANNED USERS regular
    edited November 2007
    ege02 wrote: »
    I'd like it if it turned out that Adam heals faster than Sylar can cut his brain open.

    So we find out that he's essentially invulnerable.

    I'm imagining that Adams healing is better than Claire's if only because if htey can't kill him or at least leave him dead by putting something through his brain, then it has to be superior.

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    Gorilla SaladGorilla Salad Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    I must be the only person who likes Maya and Alejandro.

    Also, I think Adam can heal faster than Claire can.

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    BernardBernoulliBernardBernoulli Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    The Company's strange, anyone figured out how it works?

    Apparently Linderman was in charge, but one facility was keeping his mentor, Adam, locked up. Why'd he do that? Maybe he thought nukes were different from genocide

    Then, you've got Nakamura and Linderman both expressing identical opinions that their former partners have "lost their way" (and didn't Nakamura specifically mention Linderman?), Deveaux states specifically that he actively opposes the nuking plan, but no one seemed bothered enough to do anything. You'd think, if they're all incredibly wealthy and they really didn't like what was going on, they'd hire a few assassins. Or even say to Peter "hey, you have special powers, maybe you'd like to save a few million people?"

    Seems more likely, whatever happened to make them fall out with each other, they still went out of their way *not* to kill each other or come to blows, even if it was something as important as nuking a city they disagreed with. On the other hand, Linderman's more than happy to let Deveaux die without helping him (or maybe Deveaux didn't want to ask for his help). Anyway, this whole "they couldn't kill Adam" thing might not be the case, maybe killing any of the original 12 wasn't something they were willing to do, whatever their differences

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    falsedeffalsedef Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    It would be nice to see Adam with some sort of progression to his powers. I remember someone mentioning the Haitan might not affect him, which could also mean he might be able to shrug off other powers used against him.

    However, the idea that Adam somehow gave everyone his genes would be fairly ridiculous from a logistics standpoint. On top of that is that he replaced a supposed Japanese hero, and now he's going to be the greatest grandfather to a whole diverse cast? Talk about some serious white washing.
    I must be the only person who likes Maya and Alejandro.
    You know how Luke kisses Leia, and then later you found out they're twins? Their scenes do a good job recreating that incestuous vibe. I think half their dialog consists of them calling eachother's names: "ma-ja, ma-ja" "alee handro" "maaa-ja" "alee haaandrooo"
    The Company's strange, anyone figured out how it works?
    I think Linderman opposed Adam, as the nuke was suppose to prevent a larger disaster, which might've been the virus. The more devastating shanti virus wasn't present in the nuke timeline.

    Adam has essentially witnessed the progression of war and technology. Hiro wanted to prevent Whitebeard from starting a civil war with technology, and Adam could twist that by killing off everyone, thus preventing all wars and sending people back to the stone age. That'd be pretty cliche, though.

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    Gorilla SaladGorilla Salad Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    falsedef wrote: »
    I must be the only person who likes Maya and Alejandro.
    You know how Luke kisses Leia, and then later you found out they're twins? Their scenes do a good job recreating that incestuous vibe. I think half their dialog consists of them calling eachother's names: "ma-ja, ma-ja" "alee handro" "maaa-ja" "alee haaandrooo"
    That's how spanish is. I really don't get the hate for them.

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    TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited November 2007
    they're just not terribly interesting

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    falsedeffalsedef Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    falsedef wrote: »
    I must be the only person who likes Maya and Alejandro.
    You know how Luke kisses Leia, and then later you found out they're twins? Their scenes do a good job recreating that incestuous vibe. I think half their dialog consists of them calling eachother's names: "ma-ja, ma-ja" "alee handro" "maaa-ja" "alee haaandrooo"
    That's how spanish is. I really don't get the hate for them.

    What does that have to with what I said? Their language isn't why we dislike them.

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    ege02ege02 __BANNED USERS regular
    edited November 2007
    falsedef wrote: »
    I must be the only person who likes Maya and Alejandro.
    You know how Luke kisses Leia, and then later you found out they're twins? Their scenes do a good job recreating that incestuous vibe. I think half their dialog consists of them calling eachother's names: "ma-ja, ma-ja" "alee handro" "maaa-ja" "alee haaandrooo"
    That's how spanish is. I really don't get the hate for them.

    Things that get to me:

    1- Maya gets extremely annoying when she is in cry-mode, which seems to be on by default.
    2- The brother's entire purpose of existence as a character is to neutralize Maya's power.

    Now, if he could somehow absorb Maya's power, and then release it as a deadly blast or something, that would be fucking interesting. But nooooo.

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    GreeperGreeper Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    ege02 wrote: »
    falsedef wrote: »
    I must be the only person who likes Maya and Alejandro.
    You know how Luke kisses Leia, and then later you found out they're twins? Their scenes do a good job recreating that incestuous vibe. I think half their dialog consists of them calling eachother's names: "ma-ja, ma-ja" "alee handro" "maaa-ja" "alee haaandrooo"
    That's how spanish is. I really don't get the hate for them.

    Things that get to me:

    1- Maya gets extremely annoying when she is in cry-mode, which seems to be on by default.
    2- The brother's entire purpose of existence as a character is to neutralize Maya's power.

    Now, if he could somehow absorb Maya's power, and then release it as a deadly blast or something, that would be fucking interesting. But nooooo.

    I kind of hope Sylar kills the brother soon.

    I kind of do.

    Then I hope he impregnates the sister.

    And the evil that's been dwelling inside of her reacts with the pure evil of Sylar's own impossibly horrible power.

    And the antichrist enters the world.

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    ege02ege02 __BANNED USERS regular
    edited November 2007
    Yeah, I'm pretty certain the brother has to die. In fact...
    i wouldn't be surprised if he was the hero who dies next episode. the synopsis says "a hero dies."

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    falsedeffalsedef Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    ege02 wrote: »
    Yeah, I'm pretty certain the brother has to die. In fact...
    i wouldn't be surprised if he was the hero who dies next episode. the synopsis says "a hero dies."

    That'd suck, because I like him a lot more than Maya or West, even if his power seems pretty lame at the moment.

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    HooraydiationHooraydiation Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Imagine if he has the ability to neutralize all powers, and not just Maya's.

    Now imagine a fight between him and Sylar after Sylar kills Maya where Sylar, with all his abilities renewed, thinks he can kill Alejandro without any trouble at all. None of his powers work against Alejandro, though, and Alejandro beats him into a coma with whatever's handy.

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    hesthefastesthesthefastest Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Im for the stored up death blasts idea.

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    dvshermandvsherman Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    I really hope Sylar does not eat Adam's brains. I like the character, I can dig his power. But last season, I was getting so annoyed with how many people were getting taken down by him. It was like he was Rock to everyone else's Scissors.

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    Gorilla SaladGorilla Salad Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    You know how Parkman got a new addition to his power this season?

    More than likely, Alejandro will get a death-blast upgrade or something like it.

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    SpoitSpoit *twitch twitch* Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Seems more likely, whatever happened to make them fall out with each other, they still went out of their way *not* to kill each other or come to blows, even if it was something as important as nuking a city they disagreed with. On the other hand, Linderman's more than happy to let Deveaux die without helping him (or maybe Deveaux didn't want to ask for his help). Anyway, this whole "they couldn't kill Adam" thing might not be the case, maybe killing any of the original 12 wasn't something they were willing to do, whatever their differences

    But then how would they know what the symbol on their pictures meant?

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