I love that this game seems to really be breaking the current tournament paradigms. Tournaments are fine, but emphasizing a change from just a 4 man melee battle on flat unchanging ground is a very very good thing.
I don't really see how a Sheik-like character "breaks current tournament paradigms." Finals Smashes do I guess, but they'll be turned off if they're turn-offable.
Do Shiek/Zelda combo players exist in tournaments or do players have to choose one or the other? I actually know nothing about these tournaments or their rules but they certainly seem controversial for some reason. If tournament players do typically just stick with one half of the combo character then the fact that you have to swap pokemon several times throughout the battle due to stamina issues may go againt current tournament paradigms. All I know is that of my friends who liked Shiek, they would typically play her(?) without ever switching to Zelda. The stamina device definitely puts a stop to that. Again, I don't know how that goes in tournaments.
You by no means need to "choose" which one you're going to play, just almost every single player who chooses Zelda auto-transforms into Sheik and never ever switch out except maybe to utilize Zelda's up B recovery. Not that this is a bad thing, just that forcing a player to switch between the two would probably place her much lower on the tier lists, which means lower on the tournament popularity list, as well.
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"Blue" (Green in America) is the girl you can play as in FireRed and LeafGreen.
You're right about "Green" (Blue in America) though.
You had me til that last part.
Blue (the girl) was the female option in FireRed and LeafGreen (I got this).
Green (the boy) was the rival in Red and Green (Red and Blue outside of Japan), thus the name "green".
Edit: Though I hate to relate to the anime in any form. Green is basically Gary Oak, where Red is Ash.
Blue and Green have their names switched in America because Green version never came out here. Red stayed Red, but they named the rival after the other color, thus, Green became Blue. Later, Leaf Green came out. We now had both a new color and a new character in the girl protagonist, so she's named Green here.
EDIT: Replace "America" and "here" with "anywhere but Japan." I'm too lazy to correct it myself.
"Blue" (Green in America) is the girl you can play as in FireRed and LeafGreen.
You're right about "Green" (Blue in America) though.
You had me til that last part.
Blue (the girl) was the female option in FireRed and LeafGreen (I got this).
Green (the boy) was the rival in Red and Green (Red and Blue outside of Japan), thus the name "green".
Edit: Though I hate to relate to the anime in any form. Green is basically Gary Oak, where Red is Ash.
I don't understand why people never seem to accept this. The trainer in the games is as much Ash as it is Red. I've learned to just play along, because people bitch about it like crazy. Yeah, he's called Red in the later games. They have to call him something. But it's not like the games are really any closer to the manga than the anime, and Red and Ash are both default names for the trainer. And the Japanese versions have Ash's Japanese name as well. And you'd have to be crazy to miss the similarity in appearances between the game trainer/rival and Ash and Gary, just like they look the same as Red and Green.
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KorKnown to detonate from time to timeRegistered Userregular
"Blue" (Green in America) is the girl you can play as in FireRed and LeafGreen.
You're right about "Green" (Blue in America) though.
You had me til that last part.
Blue (the girl) was the female option in FireRed and LeafGreen (I got this).
Green (the boy) was the rival in Red and Green (Red and Blue outside of Japan), thus the name "green".
Edit: Though I hate to relate to the anime in any form. Green is basically Gary Oak, where Red is Ash.
Blue and Green have their names switched in America because Green version never came out here. Red stayed Red, but they named the rival after the other color, thus, Green became Blue. Later, Leaf Green came out. We now had both a new color and a new character in the girl protagonist, so she's named Green here.
EDIT: Replace "America" and "here" with "anywhere but Japan." I'm too lazy to correct it myself.
Then can we just use the Final Fantasy Strategy and just retcon it?
I love that this game seems to really be breaking the current tournament paradigms. Tournaments are fine, but emphasizing a change from just a 4 man melee battle on flat unchanging ground is a very very good thing.
I don't really see how a Sheik-like character "breaks current tournament paradigms." Finals Smashes do I guess, but they'll be turned off if they're turn-offable.
Do Shiek/Zelda combo players exist in tournaments or do players have to choose one or the other? I actually know nothing about these tournaments or their rules but they certainly seem controversial for some reason. If tournament players do typically just stick with one half of the combo character then the fact that you have to swap pokemon several times throughout the battle due to stamina issues may go againt current tournament paradigms. All I know is that of my friends who liked Shiek, they would typically play her(?) without ever switching to Zelda. The stamina device definitely puts a stop to that. Again, I don't know how that goes in tournaments.
You by no means need to "choose" which one you're going to play, just almost every single player who chooses Zelda auto-transforms into Sheik and never ever switch out except maybe to utilize Zelda's up B recovery. Not that this is a bad thing, just that forcing a player to switch between the two would probably place her much lower on the tier lists, which means lower on the tournament popularity list, as well.
This actually raises an interesting point. Zelda and Sheik are currently counted as separate characters on the tier list. Because of the stamina system, might all three Pokemon get treated as the same character?
"Blue" (Green in America) is the girl you can play as in FireRed and LeafGreen.
You're right about "Green" (Blue in America) though.
You had me til that last part.
Blue (the girl) was the female option in FireRed and LeafGreen (I got this).
Green (the boy) was the rival in Red and Green (Red and Blue outside of Japan), thus the name "green".
Edit: Though I hate to relate to the anime in any form. Green is basically Gary Oak, where Red is Ash.
I don't understand why people never seem to accept this. The trainer in the games is as much Ash as it is Red. I've learned to just play along, because people bitch about it like crazy. Yeah, he's called Red in the later games. They have to call him something. But it's not like the games are really any closer to the manga than the anime, and Red and Ash are both default names for the trainer. And the Japanese versions have Ash's Japanese name as well. And you'd have to be crazy to miss the similarity in appearances between the game trainer/rival and Ash and Gary, just like they look the same as Red and Green.
Wow this has to be one of the hardest discussions I've ever followed.
Hell I started the damn thing, and even I'm having a hard time following.
"Blue" (Green in America) is the girl you can play as in FireRed and LeafGreen.
You're right about "Green" (Blue in America) though.
You had me til that last part.
Blue (the girl) was the female option in FireRed and LeafGreen (I got this).
Green (the boy) was the rival in Red and Green (Red and Blue outside of Japan), thus the name "green".
Edit: Though I hate to relate to the anime in any form. Green is basically Gary Oak, where Red is Ash.
Blue and Green have their names switched in America because Green version never came out here. Red stayed Red, but they named the rival after the other color, thus, Green became Blue. Later, Leaf Green came out. We now had both a new color and a new character in the girl protagonist, so she's named Green here.
EDIT: Replace "America" and "here" with "anywhere but Japan." I'm too lazy to correct it myself.
On a bit of a side note, I think that switching Green to Blue was a very good idea.
"Blue" (Green in America) is the girl you can play as in FireRed and LeafGreen.
You're right about "Green" (Blue in America) though.
You had me til that last part.
Blue (the girl) was the female option in FireRed and LeafGreen (I got this).
Green (the boy) was the rival in Red and Green (Red and Blue outside of Japan), thus the name "green".
Edit: Though I hate to relate to the anime in any form. Green is basically Gary Oak, where Red is Ash.
I don't understand why people never seem to accept this. The trainer in the games is as much Ash as it is Red. I've learned to just play along, because people bitch about it like crazy. Yeah, he's called Red in the later games. They have to call him something. But it's not like the games are really any closer to the manga than the anime, and Red and Ash are both default names for the trainer. And the Japanese versions have Ash's Japanese name as well. And you'd have to be crazy to miss the similarity in appearances between the game trainer/rival and Ash and Gary, just like they look the same as Red and Green.
I'm actually going to contest this. In Suikoden, you name your main character, as is the norm for most JRPGs. There was no 'default' name, which means that he didn't really have a name, and the manual just referred to him as 'Hero'. In the second game, though, you run into the same character, only this time he's not the main protagonist, so his name is preset as 'Tir'. While he didn't have a "real" name at the first game, Tir is what Konami wanted his real name to be, so that's what it is. If his name is 'Red' in the sequels and you can't change it, then that's what his name is.
I love that this game seems to really be breaking the current tournament paradigms. Tournaments are fine, but emphasizing a change from just a 4 man melee battle on flat unchanging ground is a very very good thing.
I don't really see how a Sheik-like character "breaks current tournament paradigms." Finals Smashes do I guess, but they'll be turned off if they're turn-offable.
Do Shiek/Zelda combo players exist in tournaments or do players have to choose one or the other? I actually know nothing about these tournaments or their rules but they certainly seem controversial for some reason. If tournament players do typically just stick with one half of the combo character then the fact that you have to swap pokemon several times throughout the battle due to stamina issues may go againt current tournament paradigms. All I know is that of my friends who liked Shiek, they would typically play her(?) without ever switching to Zelda. The stamina device definitely puts a stop to that. Again, I don't know how that goes in tournaments.
You by no means need to "choose" which one you're going to play, just almost every single player who chooses Zelda auto-transforms into Sheik and never ever switch out except maybe to utilize Zelda's up B recovery. Not that this is a bad thing, just that forcing a player to switch between the two would probably place her much lower on the tier lists, which means lower on the tournament popularity list, as well.
This actually raises an interesting point. Zelda and Sheik are currently counted as separate characters on the tier list. Because of the stamina system, might all three Pokemon get treated as the same character?
Additionally, what if Zelda/Sheik and any other hypothetical combo characters now have stamina dictating who you have to use as well? I think this is pretty likely, especially if my hypothesis about the designers wanting players to experiment more with using different character types is true. I like the idea of encouraging experimentation but for it to work they definitely need to balance the types better, which I think they're doing. I'm especially interested in how much flinch resistance will make heavier characters better choices than they were in Melee. It's also possible that the adjustments to the game's speed will narrow the gap between the fast and the slow a bit.
"Blue" (Green in America) is the girl you can play as in FireRed and LeafGreen.
You're right about "Green" (Blue in America) though.
You had me til that last part.
Blue (the girl) was the female option in FireRed and LeafGreen (I got this).
Green (the boy) was the rival in Red and Green (Red and Blue outside of Japan), thus the name "green".
Edit: Though I hate to relate to the anime in any form. Green is basically Gary Oak, where Red is Ash.
I don't understand why people never seem to accept this. The trainer in the games is as much Ash as it is Red. I've learned to just play along, because people bitch about it like crazy. Yeah, he's called Red in the later games. They have to call him something. But it's not like the games are really any closer to the manga than the anime, and Red and Ash are both default names for the trainer. And the Japanese versions have Ash's Japanese name as well. And you'd have to be crazy to miss the similarity in appearances between the game trainer/rival and Ash and Gary, just like they look the same as Red and Green.
I'm actually going to contest this. In Suikoden, you name your main character, as is the norm for most JRPGs. There was no 'default' name, which means that he didn't really have a name, and the manual just referred to him as 'Hero'. In the second game, though, you run into the same character, only this time he's not the main protagonist, so his name is preset as 'Tir'. While he didn't have a "real" name at the first game, Tir is what Konami wanted his real name to be, so that's what it is. If his name is 'Red' in the sequels and you can't change it, then that's what his name is.
I suppose if you want to look at it that way you can, but the Suikoden character doesn't really have this same issue. This character does have default names. More than one. And they both refer to characters who are just about equally similar to the game character. Besides, the games have so little in the way of plot you could easily contest that the character referred to as Red isn't even actually the same character, just an easter egg referring to the other games (which is really how I always thought of it).
"Blue" (Green in America) is the girl you can play as in FireRed and LeafGreen.
You're right about "Green" (Blue in America) though.
You had me til that last part.
Blue (the girl) was the female option in FireRed and LeafGreen (I got this).
Green (the boy) was the rival in Red and Green (Red and Blue outside of Japan), thus the name "green".
Edit: Though I hate to relate to the anime in any form. Green is basically Gary Oak, where Red is Ash.
I don't understand why people never seem to accept this. The trainer in the games is as much Ash as it is Red. I've learned to just play along, because people bitch about it like crazy. Yeah, he's called Red in the later games. They have to call him something. But it's not like the games are really any closer to the manga than the anime, and Red and Ash are both default names for the trainer. And the Japanese versions have Ash's Japanese name as well. And you'd have to be crazy to miss the similarity in appearances between the game trainer/rival and Ash and Gary, just like they look the same as Red and Green.
I'm actually going to contest this. In Suikoden, you name your main character, as is the norm for most JRPGs. There was no 'default' name, which means that he didn't really have a name, and the manual just referred to him as 'Hero'. In the second game, though, you run into the same character, only this time he's not the main protagonist, so his name is preset as 'Tir'. While he didn't have a "real" name at the first game, Tir is what Konami wanted his real name to be, so that's what it is. If his name is 'Red' in the sequels and you can't change it, then that's what his name is.
I suppose if you want to look at it that way you can, but the Suikoden character doesn't really have this same issue. This character does have default names. More than one. And they both refer to characters who are just about equally similar to the game character. Besides, the games have so little in the way of plot you could easily contest that the character referred to as Red isn't even actually the same character, just an easter egg referring to the other games (which is really how I always thought of it).
'Red' and 'Blue' are certainly the same characters in Gold/Silver as they were in Red/Blue.
I'm going with the stage from a Kirby game guess again tonight. Though it would be kinda cool to see an All Pokemon week, and give us Pokemon Stadium, Character profile Mewtwo, and a couple pokeballs...
"Blue" (Green in America) is the girl you can play as in FireRed and LeafGreen.
You're right about "Green" (Blue in America) though.
You had me til that last part.
Blue (the girl) was the female option in FireRed and LeafGreen (I got this).
Green (the boy) was the rival in Red and Green (Red and Blue outside of Japan), thus the name "green".
Edit: Though I hate to relate to the anime in any form. Green is basically Gary Oak, where Red is Ash.
I don't understand why people never seem to accept this. The trainer in the games is as much Ash as it is Red. I've learned to just play along, because people bitch about it like crazy. Yeah, he's called Red in the later games. They have to call him something. But it's not like the games are really any closer to the manga than the anime, and Red and Ash are both default names for the trainer. And the Japanese versions have Ash's Japanese name as well. And you'd have to be crazy to miss the similarity in appearances between the game trainer/rival and Ash and Gary, just like they look the same as Red and Green.
I'm actually going to contest this. In Suikoden, you name your main character, as is the norm for most JRPGs. There was no 'default' name, which means that he didn't really have a name, and the manual just referred to him as 'Hero'. In the second game, though, you run into the same character, only this time he's not the main protagonist, so his name is preset as 'Tir'. While he didn't have a "real" name at the first game, Tir is what Konami wanted his real name to be, so that's what it is. If his name is 'Red' in the sequels and you can't change it, then that's what his name is.
I suppose if you want to look at it that way you can, but the Suikoden character doesn't really have this same issue. This character does have default names. More than one. And they both refer to characters who are just about equally similar to the game character. Besides, the games have so little in the way of plot you could easily contest that the character referred to as Red isn't even actually the same character, just an easter egg referring to the other games (which is really how I always thought of it).
'Red' and 'Blue' are certainly the same characters in Gold/Silver as they were in Red/Blue.
I don't think I ever actually played through Gold/Silver. How can you tell? The main character of the first games and his adventure were both so nondescript I can't imagine them possibly referring to anything that would prove who the character is.
Either way, they're no more the characters from the manga than they are Ash and Gary unless they found so way to go back and add a plot that was never there to the first games.
Man, I want to get on Smashboards to see how some people have twisted this to mean the end of Smash, but I guess they're down.
Most of it is just shock because a while back a guy made a thread saying that he thought it would be cool if Red appeared in Brawl.
What followed was 19 Pages by and large of a few people saying "that would be neat" with everyone else shouting that the idea was dumb and that it'll never happen.
Naming the character 'Red' could very well be just a homage of sorts to the first game. I don't know, since I've never played any versions other than red and blue. If anything, the fact that they call him "pokemon trainer" instead of an actual name tells me that he was never supposed to have a name to begin with.
Man, I want to get on Smashboards to see how some people have twisted this to mean the end of Smash, but I guess they're down.
Most of it is just shock because a while back a guy made a thread saying that he thought it would be cool if Red appeared in Brawl.
What followed was 19 Pages by and large of a few people saying "that would be neat" with everyone else shouting that the idea was dumb and that it'll never happen.
I'm amazed by how well we've managed to go with the flow on this subject here. I'm sure we've all discussed the idea of having a pokemon trainer as a character here at one point or another, complete with the agreement of how it would be cool and the claims that it's stupid and will never happen.
I don't think I ever actually played through Gold/Silver. How can you tell? The main character of the first games and his adventure were both so nondescript I can't imagine them possibly referring to anything that would prove who the character is.
I don't think I ever actually played through Gold/Silver. How can you tell? The main character of the first games and his adventure were both so nondescript I can't imagine them possibly referring to anything that would prove who the character is.
They use the same sprite.
So? That's happened a million times in other games, as just a reference to the past of a series. It could still just as well be an homage to the first game, and not really the same person.
It seems like the frequency of interesting updates is picking up - I'm actually thinking that they won't be able to release all the character profiles of already known characters by the time the game comes out, along with a lot of stages. Basically, there is a bunch of ground to cover.
I love that this game seems to really be breaking the current tournament paradigms. Tournaments are fine, but emphasizing a change from just a 4 man melee battle on flat unchanging ground is a very very good thing.
I don't really see how a Sheik-like character "breaks current tournament paradigms." Finals Smashes do I guess, but they'll be turned off if they're turn-offable.
Do Shiek/Zelda combo players exist in tournaments or do players have to choose one or the other? I actually know nothing about these tournaments or their rules but they certainly seem controversial for some reason. If tournament players do typically just stick with one half of the combo character then the fact that you have to swap pokemon several times throughout the battle due to stamina issues may go againt current tournament paradigms. All I know is that of my friends who liked Shiek, they would typically play her(?) without ever switching to Zelda. The stamina device definitely puts a stop to that. Again, I don't know how that goes in tournaments.
You by no means need to "choose" which one you're going to play, just almost every single player who chooses Zelda auto-transforms into Sheik and never ever switch out except maybe to utilize Zelda's up B recovery. Not that this is a bad thing, just that forcing a player to switch between the two would probably place her much lower on the tier lists, which means lower on the tournament popularity list, as well.
This actually raises an interesting point. Zelda and Sheik are currently counted as separate characters on the tier list. Because of the stamina system, might all three Pokemon get treated as the same character?
Additionally, what if Zelda/Sheik and any other hypothetical combo characters now have stamina dictating who you have to use as well? I think this is pretty likely, especially if my hypothesis about the designers wanting players to experiment more with using different character types is true. I like the idea of encouraging experimentation but for it to work they definitely need to balance the types better, which I think they're doing. I'm especially interested in how much flinch resistance will make heavier characters better choices than they were in Melee. It's also possible that the adjustments to the game's speed will narrow the gap between the fast and the slow a bit.
Maybe I'm just crazy, but I suspect if Zelda/Sheik is still a combo character the stamina won't be an issue since they are the same person. It makes sense to swap out a tired pokemon for a fresh one, but not so much in the case of changing out a person for herself in a different costume with a different move set. Do I just not understand Zelda/Sheik? They are one and the same no?
Also, Mushroom Pie, in the picture where squirtle is mysteriously floating, I think that may be because he just popped out of a pokeball. It doesn't really look to me like he is in the middle of a move.
See, now THAT'S worth mentioning. The same sprite and same name is pretty much meaningless. Still, I really think that that's less of a reference to the manga than it is just because the characters need names. The way I see it, the pokemon trainer of the first game really isn't even a character. He's just a template for Red and Ash to come from.
the character Red if basically your final battle in the games gold and silver.
He's arguing that that's some other guy named Red, and that the fact that he doesn't talk and looks completely identical to the protagonist of RBY is just an homage to RBY, and that you never actually meet the main character or the Rival from RBY.
Naming the character 'Red' could very well be just a homage of sorts to the first game. I don't know, since I've never played any versions other than red and blue. If anything, the fact that they call him "pokemon trainer" instead of an actual name tells me that he was never supposed to have a name to begin with.
Kind of the same thing as the fact that Link is never actually locked into the name in any Zelda game that is worth talking about. Then again, he's called Link in SSB.
See, now THAT'S worth mentioning. The same sprite and same name is pretty much meaningless. Still, I really think that that's less of a reference to the manga than it is just because the characters need names. The way I see it, the pokemon trainer of the first game really isn't even a character. He's just a template for Red and Ash to come from.
Oh, it's not a reference to the manga. The manga's characters are named after the video game characters. The manga's referencing the game, not visa-versa.
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You had me til that last part.
Blue (the girl) was the female option in FireRed and LeafGreen (I got this).
Green (the boy) was the rival in Red and Green (Red and Blue outside of Japan), thus the name "green".
Edit: Though I hate to relate to the anime in any form. Green is basically Gary Oak, where Red is Ash.
Pokemon Safari - Sneasel, Pawniard, ????
I have a friend who is one of those idiots.
"If SSBB doesn't have wavedashing it'll suck!", "If SSBB is a teeny tiny bit slower than SSBM it'll be doomed!"
You by no means need to "choose" which one you're going to play, just almost every single player who chooses Zelda auto-transforms into Sheik and never ever switch out except maybe to utilize Zelda's up B recovery. Not that this is a bad thing, just that forcing a player to switch between the two would probably place her much lower on the tier lists, which means lower on the tournament popularity list, as well.
Tomorrow's guess: Pokemon Stadium stage.
Pokemon Safari - Sneasel, Pawniard, ????
Blue and Green have their names switched in America because Green version never came out here. Red stayed Red, but they named the rival after the other color, thus, Green became Blue. Later, Leaf Green came out. We now had both a new color and a new character in the girl protagonist, so she's named Green here.
EDIT: Replace "America" and "here" with "anywhere but Japan." I'm too lazy to correct it myself.
http://www.audioentropy.com/
New item --- Kuribo's shoe!!
(imagine squirtle or ivysaur in a kuribo shoe!!! awwwwwwwwwwwww everybody would die from an acute cute-attack)
I don't understand why people never seem to accept this. The trainer in the games is as much Ash as it is Red. I've learned to just play along, because people bitch about it like crazy. Yeah, he's called Red in the later games. They have to call him something. But it's not like the games are really any closer to the manga than the anime, and Red and Ash are both default names for the trainer. And the Japanese versions have Ash's Japanese name as well. And you'd have to be crazy to miss the similarity in appearances between the game trainer/rival and Ash and Gary, just like they look the same as Red and Green.
Then can we just use the Final Fantasy Strategy and just retcon it?
Pokemon Safari - Sneasel, Pawniard, ????
This actually raises an interesting point. Zelda and Sheik are currently counted as separate characters on the tier list. Because of the stamina system, might all three Pokemon get treated as the same character?
http://www.audioentropy.com/
Wow this has to be one of the hardest discussions I've ever followed.
Hell I started the damn thing, and even I'm having a hard time following.
Pokemon Safari - Sneasel, Pawniard, ????
On a bit of a side note, I think that switching Green to Blue was a very good idea.
I'm actually going to contest this. In Suikoden, you name your main character, as is the norm for most JRPGs. There was no 'default' name, which means that he didn't really have a name, and the manual just referred to him as 'Hero'. In the second game, though, you run into the same character, only this time he's not the main protagonist, so his name is preset as 'Tir'. While he didn't have a "real" name at the first game, Tir is what Konami wanted his real name to be, so that's what it is. If his name is 'Red' in the sequels and you can't change it, then that's what his name is.
Additionally, what if Zelda/Sheik and any other hypothetical combo characters now have stamina dictating who you have to use as well? I think this is pretty likely, especially if my hypothesis about the designers wanting players to experiment more with using different character types is true. I like the idea of encouraging experimentation but for it to work they definitely need to balance the types better, which I think they're doing. I'm especially interested in how much flinch resistance will make heavier characters better choices than they were in Melee. It's also possible that the adjustments to the game's speed will narrow the gap between the fast and the slow a bit.
I suppose if you want to look at it that way you can, but the Suikoden character doesn't really have this same issue. This character does have default names. More than one. And they both refer to characters who are just about equally similar to the game character. Besides, the games have so little in the way of plot you could easily contest that the character referred to as Red isn't even actually the same character, just an easter egg referring to the other games (which is really how I always thought of it).
'Red' and 'Blue' are certainly the same characters in Gold/Silver as they were in Red/Blue.
I don't think I ever actually played through Gold/Silver. How can you tell? The main character of the first games and his adventure were both so nondescript I can't imagine them possibly referring to anything that would prove who the character is.
Either way, they're no more the characters from the manga than they are Ash and Gary unless they found so way to go back and add a plot that was never there to the first games.
Most of it is just shock because a while back a guy made a thread saying that he thought it would be cool if Red appeared in Brawl.
What followed was 19 Pages by and large of a few people saying "that would be neat" with everyone else shouting that the idea was dumb and that it'll never happen.
I'm amazed by how well we've managed to go with the flow on this subject here. I'm sure we've all discussed the idea of having a pokemon trainer as a character here at one point or another, complete with the agreement of how it would be cool and the claims that it's stupid and will never happen.
They use the same sprite.
So? That's happened a million times in other games, as just a reference to the past of a series. It could still just as well be an homage to the first game, and not really the same person.
Blue is the 8th Gym Leader.
Blue talks about Red.
Gold and Silver is a Direct Sequel to Red and Blue. Gold and Silver references the events of Red and Blue.
http://www.audioentropy.com/
Pokemon Safari - Sneasel, Pawniard, ????
http://www.audioentropy.com/
Maybe I'm just crazy, but I suspect if Zelda/Sheik is still a combo character the stamina won't be an issue since they are the same person. It makes sense to swap out a tired pokemon for a fresh one, but not so much in the case of changing out a person for herself in a different costume with a different move set. Do I just not understand Zelda/Sheik? They are one and the same no?
Also, Mushroom Pie, in the picture where squirtle is mysteriously floating, I think that may be because he just popped out of a pokeball. It doesn't really look to me like he is in the middle of a move.
See, now THAT'S worth mentioning. The same sprite and same name is pretty much meaningless. Still, I really think that that's less of a reference to the manga than it is just because the characters need names. The way I see it, the pokemon trainer of the first game really isn't even a character. He's just a template for Red and Ash to come from.
He's arguing that that's some other guy named Red, and that the fact that he doesn't talk and looks completely identical to the protagonist of RBY is just an homage to RBY, and that you never actually meet the main character or the Rival from RBY.
http://www.audioentropy.com/
Kind of the same thing as the fact that Link is never actually locked into the name in any Zelda game that is worth talking about. Then again, he's called Link in SSB.
Oh, it's not a reference to the manga. The manga's characters are named after the video game characters. The manga's referencing the game, not visa-versa.
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No.
But Red is undeniably a great name for a super hero, which Pokemon trainers undoubtedly are. Alkaaaaaiser!
I like Red and Blue.
Gold and Silver are silly though.
EDIT: Well, maybe not. Ruby and onwards is stupid, but they started giving people real names from Ruby onwards, so it's cool.
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