I don't think I ever actually played through Gold/Silver. How can you tell? The main character of the first games and his adventure were both so nondescript I can't imagine them possibly referring to anything that would prove who the character is.
See, now THAT'S worth mentioning. The same sprite and same name is pretty much meaningless. Still, I really think that that's less of a reference to the manga than it is just because the characters need names. The way I see it, the pokemon trainer of the first game really isn't even a character. He's just a template for Red and Ash to come from.
Well, to be fair when you talk to Red all you get is ".................." before the battle starts.
I don't think I ever actually played through Gold/Silver. How can you tell? The main character of the first games and his adventure were both so nondescript I can't imagine them possibly referring to anything that would prove who the character is.
Naming the character 'Red' could very well be just a homage of sorts to the first game. I don't know, since I've never played any versions other than red and blue. If anything, the fact that they call him "pokemon trainer" instead of an actual name tells me that he was never supposed to have a name to begin with.
Kind of the same thing as the fact that Link is never actually locked into the name in any Zelda game that is worth talking about. Then again, he's called Link in SSB.
That's what doesn't seem fair about the name. If He's called "Pokemon Trainer" instead of "Red," then shouldn't it be "Hero" instead of "Link?"
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If alternate costumes turn him into Blue, Gold, Silver, Crystal, etc., then it'd make sense for them to just give him a general name instead of naming him Red.
Naming the character 'Red' could very well be just a homage of sorts to the first game. I don't know, since I've never played any versions other than red and blue. If anything, the fact that they call him "pokemon trainer" instead of an actual name tells me that he was never supposed to have a name to begin with.
Kind of the same thing as the fact that Link is never actually locked into the name in any Zelda game that is worth talking about. Then again, he's called Link in SSB.
Well, he's been called Link in game materials repeatedly, and it gives that name and only that name for an example every time. The pokemon trainer is different. He's got multiple default names, and doesn't have those materials supplying one of those names for you.
Looking at his pokemon list, I think the fact that he's actually using a pikachu at that level is evidence enough that he's as much Ash as he is Red.
Naming the character 'Red' could very well be just a homage of sorts to the first game. I don't know, since I've never played any versions other than red and blue. If anything, the fact that they call him "pokemon trainer" instead of an actual name tells me that he was never supposed to have a name to begin with.
Kind of the same thing as the fact that Link is never actually locked into the name in any Zelda game that is worth talking about. Then again, he's called Link in SSB.
Well, he's been called Link in game materials repeatedly, and it gives that name and only that name for an example every time. The pokemon trainer is different. He's got multiple default names, and doesn't have those materials supplying one of those names for you.
Looking at his pokemon list, I think the fact that he's actually using a pikachu at that level is evidence enough that he's as much Ash as he is Red.
Given that you played as him and he therefore didn't have a past team to speak of, I imagine that they pulled it from the anime, yes.
Naming the character 'Red' could very well be just a homage of sorts to the first game. I don't know, since I've never played any versions other than red and blue. If anything, the fact that they call him "pokemon trainer" instead of an actual name tells me that he was never supposed to have a name to begin with.
Kind of the same thing as the fact that Link is never actually locked into the name in any Zelda game that is worth talking about. Then again, he's called Link in SSB.
Well, he's been called Link in game materials repeatedly, and it gives that name and only that name for an example every time. The pokemon trainer is different. He's got multiple default names, and doesn't have those materials supplying one of those names for you.
Looking at his pokemon list, I think the fact that he's actually using a pikachu at that level is evidence enough that he's as much Ash as he is Red.
Red from Yellow version has a Pikachu incapable of evolution.
All this talk of Red and Blue makes me think of Saga Frontier, and I assure you - Red from Saga Frontier would be a much MUCH MUCH cooler character than a pokemon trainer. ... Blue would also be acceptable if he had time or space magic.
Naming the character 'Red' could very well be just a homage of sorts to the first game. I don't know, since I've never played any versions other than red and blue. If anything, the fact that they call him "pokemon trainer" instead of an actual name tells me that he was never supposed to have a name to begin with.
Kind of the same thing as the fact that Link is never actually locked into the name in any Zelda game that is worth talking about. Then again, he's called Link in SSB.
Well, he's been called Link in game materials repeatedly, and it gives that name and only that name for an example every time. The pokemon trainer is different. He's got multiple default names, and doesn't have those materials supplying one of those names for you.
Looking at his pokemon list, I think the fact that he's actually using a pikachu at that level is evidence enough that he's as much Ash as he is Red.
Given that you played as him and he therefore didn't have a past team to speak of, I imagine that they pulled it from the anime, yes.
Ash has at no point owned a Blastoise, Venusaur, or Espeon.
Naming the character 'Red' could very well be just a homage of sorts to the first game. I don't know, since I've never played any versions other than red and blue. If anything, the fact that they call him "pokemon trainer" instead of an actual name tells me that he was never supposed to have a name to begin with.
Kind of the same thing as the fact that Link is never actually locked into the name in any Zelda game that is worth talking about. Then again, he's called Link in SSB.
Well, he's been called Link in game materials repeatedly, and it gives that name and only that name for an example every time. The pokemon trainer is different. He's got multiple default names, and doesn't have those materials supplying one of those names for you.
Looking at his pokemon list, I think the fact that he's actually using a pikachu at that level is evidence enough that he's as much Ash as he is Red.
Red from Yellow version has a Pikachu incapable of evolution.
Also, Ash talks. Red doesn't.
And don't pull yellow version on me. Yellow version was specifically based on the anime. The trainer of that game may still not talk, but that's Ash.
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the character Red if basically your final battle in the games gold and silver.
He's arguing that that's some other guy named Red, and that the fact that he doesn't talk and looks completely identical to the protagonist of RBY is just an homage to RBY, and that you never actually meet the main character or the Rival from RBY.
Then just compbine that with the fact that you become the champion after beating the Elite 4, and the "Red" from Gold/Silver is the Champion.
I mean, how many "homages" do we have to pick up before it becomes confirmed?
the character Red if basically your final battle in the games gold and silver.
He's arguing that that's some other guy named Red, and that the fact that he doesn't talk and looks completely identical to the protagonist of RBY is just an homage to RBY, and that you never actually meet the main character or the Rival from RBY.
Then just compbine that with the fact that you become the champion after beating the Elite 4, and the "Red" from Gold/Silver is the Champion.
I mean, how many "homages" do we have to pick up before it becomes confirmed?
I'm kinda surprised they didn't continue that sorta thing.(to my knowledge)
the character Red if basically your final battle in the games gold and silver.
He's arguing that that's some other guy named Red, and that the fact that he doesn't talk and looks completely identical to the protagonist of RBY is just an homage to RBY, and that you never actually meet the main character or the Rival from RBY.
Then just compbine that with the fact that you become the champion after beating the Elite 4, and the "Red" from Gold/Silver is the Champion.
I mean, how many "homages" do we have to pick up before it becomes confirmed?
I was just speaking in hypothetical terms. I told you guys, I never played Gold and Silver, and the information that I had heard up till that point was hardly conclusive.
However, I still maintain that he's as much Ash as he is Red. They just can't give him two names. And no, I don't think that he's really either of these characters, just a template for both and that say he's either one is equally valid.
Naming the character 'Red' could very well be just a homage of sorts to the first game. I don't know, since I've never played any versions other than red and blue. If anything, the fact that they call him "pokemon trainer" instead of an actual name tells me that he was never supposed to have a name to begin with.
Kind of the same thing as the fact that Link is never actually locked into the name in any Zelda game that is worth talking about. Then again, he's called Link in SSB.
Well, he's been called Link in game materials repeatedly, and it gives that name and only that name for an example every time. The pokemon trainer is different. He's got multiple default names, and doesn't have those materials supplying one of those names for you.
Looking at his pokemon list, I think the fact that he's actually using a pikachu at that level is evidence enough that he's as much Ash as he is Red.
Red from Yellow version has a Pikachu incapable of evolution.
Also, Ash talks. Red doesn't.
And don't pull yellow version on me. Yellow version was specifically based on the anime. The trainer of that game may still not talk, but that's Ash.
Red in Yellow version doesn't get nearly killed by Spearows, see a Ho-Oh in a state of near-death delirium, destroy Misty's bike, beat Brock by activating the emergency sprinklers so that ground types are harmed by electricity, travel with Brock and Misty, get killed then resurrected by Pokemon in Lavender Town, get shrunken by Sabrina upon losing to her, fight Jessie and James for the Earth Badge, keep his Bulbasaur from evolving (unless the player chooses to, and few if any do), discover a Togepi egg along with a bunch of living fossil Pokemon, nearly die when the S.S. Anne sinks, encounter someone on the S.S. Anne who wants to trade a Butterfree for a Raticate, and perhaps most tellingly, doesn't come in only 16th place in the Pokemon League. Also, he fights Mewtwo in the Unknown Dungeon, by himself, not on some island with 20 some other trainers.
Ash in the Kanto arc of the anime doesn't have an obedient Pikachu initially, remain silent, ever win or buy a TM or HM, teach his Pokemon only 4 moves, save or even meet Mr. Fuji, obtain a Pokeflute, battle more than one Snorlax, travel through Rock Tunnel, or win the Pokemon League challenge, which, by the way, is significantly different.
The two characters by and large do completely different things, and since Red doesn't talk, you have no indication of their personalities matching. The only similarities between the two are that they both have a Pikachu that won't evolve or go in a Pokeball, acquire all three of the starters, and fight Jesse and James (though Ash fights them much more than Red). If, despite the lack of indication of similar personalities, and the much grander number of differences than similarities between the actions of the characters, you still think they're the same character, then I don't know what to tell you.
I disagree. Ash is the main character of the anime and represented in Pokemon Yellow, which was a tribute to the anime.
Nothing more.
And I disagree with that. Pokemon Yellow had a few slight changes made to it to make it resemble the anime more. Red, however, goes completely unchanged.
I disagree. Ash is the main character of the anime and represented in Pokemon Yellow, which was a tribute to the anime.
Nothing more.
And I disagree with that. Pokemon Yellow had a few slight changes made to it to make it resemble the anime more. Red, however, goes completely unchanged.
Those changes were put in for game mechanic reasons. Obviously in the anime there is no TM or HMs or 4 move limits.
You can't use those as arguements to try to draw a distinction, unless you expected them to revamp their game engine and rebalance every poke ever to support those new rules.
Naming the character 'Red' could very well be just a homage of sorts to the first game. I don't know, since I've never played any versions other than red and blue. If anything, the fact that they call him "pokemon trainer" instead of an actual name tells me that he was never supposed to have a name to begin with.
Kind of the same thing as the fact that Link is never actually locked into the name in any Zelda game that is worth talking about. Then again, he's called Link in SSB.
Well, he's been called Link in game materials repeatedly, and it gives that name and only that name for an example every time. The pokemon trainer is different. He's got multiple default names, and doesn't have those materials supplying one of those names for you.
Looking at his pokemon list, I think the fact that he's actually using a pikachu at that level is evidence enough that he's as much Ash as he is Red.
Given that you played as him and he therefore didn't have a past team to speak of, I imagine that they pulled it from the anime, yes.
Ash has at no point owned a Blastoise, Venusaur, or Espeon.
He did own a Snorlax, Charizard, and Pikachu though. 251 Pokemon and they happen to pick 3 of Ash's along with the evolutions of two he has? Come on.
I really hope that:
1. they don't give the trainer a name
2. instead of color reskins, they actually have different models for the 'costumes'
3. there's some nearly-gamebreaking exploit with the pokemans that be done by anyone who practices enough. ...really I just want the tournament scene to be exclusively pokemon battles
Naming the character 'Red' could very well be just a homage of sorts to the first game. I don't know, since I've never played any versions other than red and blue. If anything, the fact that they call him "pokemon trainer" instead of an actual name tells me that he was never supposed to have a name to begin with.
Kind of the same thing as the fact that Link is never actually locked into the name in any Zelda game that is worth talking about. Then again, he's called Link in SSB.
Well, he's been called Link in game materials repeatedly, and it gives that name and only that name for an example every time. The pokemon trainer is different. He's got multiple default names, and doesn't have those materials supplying one of those names for you.
Looking at his pokemon list, I think the fact that he's actually using a pikachu at that level is evidence enough that he's as much Ash as he is Red.
Given that you played as him and he therefore didn't have a past team to speak of, I imagine that they pulled it from the anime, yes.
Ash has at no point owned a Blastoise, Venusaur, or Espeon.
He did own a Snorlax, Charizard, and Pikachu though. 251 Pokemon and they happen to pick 3 of Ash's along with the evolutions of two he has? Come on.
Charizard, Pikachu, Blastoise, and Venusaur are all iconic Pokemon, so they didn't necessarily come from Ash.
Ash never had Espeon, and I would be interested to know whether or not he had a Snorlax by the time the games came out in Japan. Even if he did, that's only one Pokemon that they for sure took from Ash.
I think trainer is a pkmn trainer-type trainer, as in bug catcher-type or hiker-type.
It's Red with the design from Fire Red/Leaf Green. The designs are the exact same. Why they didn't call him Red, I do not know.
No, no, he's talking about the type.
If you wanted to get technical, Red's full name would be PKMN Trainer Red. That's what he meant.
I know he meant type. I just thought he was saying that it's supposed to be "Generic Pokemon Trainer Guy."
Well, I'd still argue that's what "Red" is. I've seen nothing to convince me he's anything more than generic Red/Ash/Player character. Which is probably why, since they don't need to give him a name, they didn't.
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Although they are obviously the same characters.
Well, to be fair when you talk to Red all you get is ".................." before the battle starts.
Same overworld sprite, though, I believe.
http://www.audioentropy.com/
That's what doesn't seem fair about the name. If He's called "Pokemon Trainer" instead of "Red," then shouldn't it be "Hero" instead of "Link?"
Looks like Nidoking.
http://www.audioentropy.com/
Well, he's been called Link in game materials repeatedly, and it gives that name and only that name for an example every time. The pokemon trainer is different. He's got multiple default names, and doesn't have those materials supplying one of those names for you.
Looking at his pokemon list, I think the fact that he's actually using a pikachu at that level is evidence enough that he's as much Ash as he is Red.
Rhydon actually.
Given that you played as him and he therefore didn't have a past team to speak of, I imagine that they pulled it from the anime, yes.
Red from Yellow version has a Pikachu incapable of evolution.
Also, Ash talks. Red doesn't.
http://www.audioentropy.com/
Ash has at no point owned a Blastoise, Venusaur, or Espeon.
http://www.audioentropy.com/
And don't pull yellow version on me. Yellow version was specifically based on the anime. The trainer of that game may still not talk, but that's Ash.
Then just compbine that with the fact that you become the champion after beating the Elite 4, and the "Red" from Gold/Silver is the Champion.
I mean, how many "homages" do we have to pick up before it becomes confirmed?
Pokemon Safari - Sneasel, Pawniard, ????
I'm kinda surprised they didn't continue that sorta thing.(to my knowledge)
I was just speaking in hypothetical terms. I told you guys, I never played Gold and Silver, and the information that I had heard up till that point was hardly conclusive.
However, I still maintain that he's as much Ash as he is Red. They just can't give him two names. And no, I don't think that he's really either of these characters, just a template for both and that say he's either one is equally valid.
Red in Yellow version doesn't get nearly killed by Spearows, see a Ho-Oh in a state of near-death delirium, destroy Misty's bike, beat Brock by activating the emergency sprinklers so that ground types are harmed by electricity, travel with Brock and Misty, get killed then resurrected by Pokemon in Lavender Town, get shrunken by Sabrina upon losing to her, fight Jessie and James for the Earth Badge, keep his Bulbasaur from evolving (unless the player chooses to, and few if any do), discover a Togepi egg along with a bunch of living fossil Pokemon, nearly die when the S.S. Anne sinks, encounter someone on the S.S. Anne who wants to trade a Butterfree for a Raticate, and perhaps most tellingly, doesn't come in only 16th place in the Pokemon League. Also, he fights Mewtwo in the Unknown Dungeon, by himself, not on some island with 20 some other trainers.
Ash in the Kanto arc of the anime doesn't have an obedient Pikachu initially, remain silent, ever win or buy a TM or HM, teach his Pokemon only 4 moves, save or even meet Mr. Fuji, obtain a Pokeflute, battle more than one Snorlax, travel through Rock Tunnel, or win the Pokemon League challenge, which, by the way, is significantly different.
The two characters by and large do completely different things, and since Red doesn't talk, you have no indication of their personalities matching. The only similarities between the two are that they both have a Pikachu that won't evolve or go in a Pokeball, acquire all three of the starters, and fight Jesse and James (though Ash fights them much more than Red). If, despite the lack of indication of similar personalities, and the much grander number of differences than similarities between the actions of the characters, you still think they're the same character, then I don't know what to tell you.
http://www.audioentropy.com/
Nothing more.
Pokemon Safari - Sneasel, Pawniard, ????
And I disagree with that. Pokemon Yellow had a few slight changes made to it to make it resemble the anime more. Red, however, goes completely unchanged.
http://www.audioentropy.com/
Those changes were put in for game mechanic reasons. Obviously in the anime there is no TM or HMs or 4 move limits.
You can't use those as arguements to try to draw a distinction, unless you expected them to revamp their game engine and rebalance every poke ever to support those new rules.
Pokemon Safari - Sneasel, Pawniard, ????
Pokemon Safari - Sneasel, Pawniard, ????
He did own a Snorlax, Charizard, and Pikachu though. 251 Pokemon and they happen to pick 3 of Ash's along with the evolutions of two he has? Come on.
I think trainer is a pkmn trainer-type trainer, as in bug catcher-type or hiker-type.
This has absolutely nothing to do with that.
1. they don't give the trainer a name
2. instead of color reskins, they actually have different models for the 'costumes'
3. there's some nearly-gamebreaking exploit with the pokemans that be done by anyone who practices enough. ...really I just want the tournament scene to be exclusively pokemon battles
Exactly. This is much, much stupider.
http://www.audioentropy.com/
Also, I've just realized that my guess of Lucas might have earned me points, since no one saw PT coming. That is, if we're still playing for points.
Ash is the most recognizable Pokémon trainer out there. He could've been in Brawl and it would've been awesome, but he's not and it's still awesome. Which Pokémon he has, which source he's from, and any other canonicity-related issues one might raise ARE COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT because for fuck's sake, THIS IS SUPER SMASH BROS.
This rant also applies to anyone saying Sheik won't be in the game because that's TP Zelda.
It's Red with the design from Fire Red/Leaf Green. The designs are the exact same. Why they didn't call him Red, I do not know.
Charizard, Pikachu, Blastoise, and Venusaur are all iconic Pokemon, so they didn't necessarily come from Ash.
Ash never had Espeon, and I would be interested to know whether or not he had a Snorlax by the time the games came out in Japan. Even if he did, that's only one Pokemon that they for sure took from Ash.
http://www.audioentropy.com/
No, no, he's talking about the type.
If you wanted to get technical, Red's full name would be PKMN Trainer Red. That's what he meant.
http://www.audioentropy.com/
I know he meant type. I just thought he was saying that it's supposed to be "Generic Pokemon Trainer Guy."
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Well, I'd still argue that's what "Red" is. I've seen nothing to convince me he's anything more than generic Red/Ash/Player character. Which is probably why, since they don't need to give him a name, they didn't.
That's a good guess.
I'm going to guess Shadow Moses stage, just to fuck with people. But I admit it's a long shot.
Did... did Bibble die?