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ProjeckProjeck Registered User regular
edited August 2007 in Games and Technology
So I am going to have roughly 1200 Us dollars to spend on a new computer, but am a little dumbfounded on what parts to order. Thus I came here to absorb the intellect of the cool denizens of GnT.

I'd like to have a 8800 as the video card but am not sure what variety, If possible, I would also like for the monitor and keyboard to be included within the budget. I'm willing to go a little above the budget if necessary.

Thanks in advanced, doods.

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  • bloodyroarxxbloodyroarxx Casa GrandeRegistered User regular
    edited August 2007
    How big a monitor?

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  • sinnsinn Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    I'm at work, and bored, so I guess I'll give it a shot. What things do you already have that you won't need new, e.g. monitors, etc?

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  • ProjeckProjeck Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    I have a tablet, which also functions as a mouse, and a sound system, besides that-everything is going to be new.

    Oh as for monitor size, whatever works really. Just I would prefer to move away from a CRT monitor.

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  • FreddyDFreddyD Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Project37 wrote: »
    I have a tablet, which also functions as a mouse, and a sound system, besides that-everything is going to be new.

    Oh as for monitor size, whatever works really. Just I would prefer to move away from a CRT monitor.
    Do you mind if I ask why?

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  • ProjeckProjeck Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    FreddyD wrote: »
    Project37 wrote: »
    I have a tablet, which also functions as a mouse, and a sound system, besides that-everything is going to be new.

    Oh as for monitor size, whatever works really. Just I would prefer to move away from a CRT monitor.
    Do you mind if I ask why?

    Why what? Could you please specify?

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  • bloodyroarxxbloodyroarxx Casa GrandeRegistered User regular
    edited August 2007
    This is what I came up with, sorry for the not direct links to products.
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  • FreddyDFreddyD Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Project37 wrote: »
    FreddyD wrote: »
    Project37 wrote: »
    I have a tablet, which also functions as a mouse, and a sound system, besides that-everything is going to be new.

    Oh as for monitor size, whatever works really. Just I would prefer to move away from a CRT monitor.
    Do you mind if I ask why?

    Why what? Could you please specify?
    Why are you moving away from a CRT? CRTs have the best response times, contrast ratios, and refresh rates, which is why many gamers still prefer a CRT over an LCD at this point in time.

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  • ProjeckProjeck Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    I Dig that BloodyRoar, though I'm going to wait for a few more opinions before I decide.


    EDIT: moving away from a CRT because they are the hueg.

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  • taliosfalcontaliosfalcon Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    but lcds take much less space, have brighter, more vibrant colors and most importantly, its much easier to find a nice widescreen LCD than a CRT. (also i call shennanigans on anyone who claims they see ghosting on a 2ms LCD, they also don't have a refresh rate period)

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  • FaricazyFaricazy Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    FreddyD wrote: »
    Project37 wrote: »
    FreddyD wrote: »
    Project37 wrote: »
    I have a tablet, which also functions as a mouse, and a sound system, besides that-everything is going to be new.

    Oh as for monitor size, whatever works really. Just I would prefer to move away from a CRT monitor.
    Do you mind if I ask why?

    Why what? Could you please specify?
    Why are you moving away from a CRT? CRTs have the best response times, contrast ratios, and refresh rates, which is why many gamers still prefer a CRT over an LCD at this point in time.
    you may be confused about the year. it's 2007, dawg.

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  • sinnsinn Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    sinn on
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  • ProjeckProjeck Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Cool, but still Trying to get as many opinions as possible.

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  • FreddyDFreddyD Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    but lcds take much less space, have brighter, more vibrant colors and most importantly, its much easier to find a nice widescreen LCD than a CRT. (also i call shennanigans on anyone who claims they see ghosting on a 2ms LCD, they also don't have a refresh rate period)
    IMG0015048.jpg
    [FONT=Arial, Helvetica]ViewSonic VX922, TN 2 ms panel

    [/FONT]Shenanigans!

    And I know it is 2007. That doesn't mean that a gamer shouldn't try both technologies and decide for himself.

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  • ProjeckProjeck Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    FreddyD wrote: »
    but lcds take much less space, have brighter, more vibrant colors and most importantly, its much easier to find a nice widescreen LCD than a CRT. (also i call shennanigans on anyone who claims they see ghosting on a 2ms LCD, they also don't have a refresh rate period)
    IMG0015048.jpg
    [FONT=Arial, Helvetica]ViewSonic VX922, TN 2 ms panel

    [/FONT]Shenanigans!

    And I know it is 2007. That doesn't mean that a gamer shouldn't try both technologies and decide for himself.

    I've used both, and I'd prefer a LCD.

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  • taliosfalcontaliosfalcon Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    FreddyD wrote: »
    but lcds take much less space, have brighter, more vibrant colors and most importantly, its much easier to find a nice widescreen LCD than a CRT. (also i call shennanigans on anyone who claims they see ghosting on a 2ms LCD, they also don't have a refresh rate period)
    IMG0015048.jpg
    [FONT=Arial, Helvetica]ViewSonic VX922, TN 2 ms panel

    [/FONT]Shenanigans!

    And I know it is 2007. That doesn't mean that a gamer shouldn't try both technologies and decide for himself.
    but..that same page also says that they couldn't pick out ghosting with their eyes, just by using a high speed camera.

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  • Lucky CynicLucky Cynic Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    NO! Trust me, for another $100, get the 640MB version of the 8800GTS!

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  • ProjeckProjeck Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    I was intending on it,

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  • SurikoSuriko AustraliaRegistered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Faricazy wrote: »
    FreddyD wrote: »
    Project37 wrote: »
    FreddyD wrote: »
    Project37 wrote: »
    I have a tablet, which also functions as a mouse, and a sound system, besides that-everything is going to be new.

    Oh as for monitor size, whatever works really. Just I would prefer to move away from a CRT monitor.
    Do you mind if I ask why?

    Why what? Could you please specify?
    Why are you moving away from a CRT? CRTs have the best response times, contrast ratios, and refresh rates, which is why many gamers still prefer a CRT over an LCD at this point in time.
    you may be confused about the year. it's 2007, dawg.

    Indeed. I hate to jump on the bandwagon, but this is exactly what I thought as a die-hard CRT fan until a couple of months ago, when my CRT suddenly died and an LCD was my only quick option. Within hours I was scolding myself for not taking the opportunity to move to an LCD monitor sooner. But to each their own.

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  • CarnarvonCarnarvon Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    I like my CRT, solely on the fact that it cost me one forth if what the same sized LCD would cost me.

    To the OP, what is your replacement cycle?(as in, how often do you normally upgrade your comp)

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  • RaslinRaslin Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Carnarvon wrote: »
    I like my CRT, solely on the fact that it cost me one forth if what the same sized LCD would cost me.

    To the OP, what is your replacement cycle?(as in, how often do you normally upgrade your comp)

    Especially if you count all three dimensions, right? ;)

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  • ProjeckProjeck Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    This is my first REAL upgrade, so I don't really have a cycle.

    This one I'm using I got about four years ago and was considered pretty bad even then.

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  • FreddyDFreddyD Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    FreddyD wrote: »
    but lcds take much less space, have brighter, more vibrant colors and most importantly, its much easier to find a nice widescreen LCD than a CRT. (also i call shennanigans on anyone who claims they see ghosting on a 2ms LCD, they also don't have a refresh rate period)
    IMG0015048.jpg
    [FONT=Arial, Helvetica]ViewSonic VX922, TN 2 ms panel

    [/FONT]Shenanigans!

    And I know it is 2007. That doesn't mean that a gamer shouldn't try both technologies and decide for himself.
    but..that same page also says that they couldn't pick out ghosting with their eyes, just by using a high speed camera.
    No, that's not true:
    [FONT=Arial, Helvetica]We placed one of our three CRTs in clone mode with an LCD and the latter takes a severe beating. We didn’t try to be nice as this test is extremely severe for current flat monitors. The result is so different that even our colleagues that don´t see afterglow on a 25ms monitor see it here. Going back to an LCD after this is really difficult. On CRTs, even if the phosphorus sometimes shows a persistence of images and even if in office mode we find them blurred at certain frequencies, games are superb. [/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, Helvetica]

    I think that this is kind of derailing the thread, so I'll drop the argument unless I feel like giving it its own topic.

    For the OP, I would suggest the 320MB 8800GTS, a Core 2 Duo 6420, and a Gigabyte GA-965P motherboard. I would go Antec for the PSU and case, or FSP for the PSU if you are on a tight budget. You want at least 500W, with 30A on the 12v rail. I would consider this a mid-range build.
    [/FONT]

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  • ProjeckProjeck Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    I've kind of forgotten something, these need to include the cost of Windows Xp. D:

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  • CarnarvonCarnarvon Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Project37 wrote: »
    This is my first REAL upgrade, so I don't really have a cycle.

    This one I'm using I got about four years ago and was considered pretty bad even then.

    Alrightie then.

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    That's what I would get, just get a smaller HDD and/or Video Card to make room for your monitor.

    For intermediate upgrades, you can get a second video card(SLI), and a second pack of memory.

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  • ProjeckProjeck Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    These are coming out pretty pricey, Would I regret dropping to an 8600?

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  • FreddyDFreddyD Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Project37 wrote: »
    These are coming out pretty pricey, Would I regret dropping to an 8600?
    It is hard to recommend an 8600GTS when an x1950 pro costs less and outperforms it. I don't think there are any games coming out in 2007 that would justify buying an under performing card just for the DX10 support.

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  • RaslinRaslin Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Yes.

    Here's what you should look at:

    AMD x2 5200+($129.99)
    2 gigs of 'value' ram($70)
    250gig HD($68)
    8800GTS 320mb($280)
    DVD-ROM, they're all pretty similar($18)
    Abit KN9 Motherboard($75)
    22in Widescreen LCD($200-250 dollars. Depends what you want)
    Antec III Case/PSU($150 maybe?)
    Windows XP($120ish)

    That comes to about $950 before tax and shipping. That gives you some wiggle room. Throw on a better processor, or better version of the 8800, or a better screen. Or spend it on a nice keyboard, mouse, sound system, etc.

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  • CarnarvonCarnarvon Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
  • DeusfauxDeusfaux Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    FreddyD wrote: »
    Why are you moving away from a CRT? CRTs have the best response times, contrast ratios, and refresh rates, which is why many gamers still prefer a CRT over an LCD at this point in time.


    Don't listen to this guy. HE prefers CRT (and I have doubts about any real experience with a good LCD anyways) but to suggest there are "many" or even a "majority" who prefer them is laughable.


    He says they have the best response times but that's an LCD measurement, and furthermore hasn't been an issue with them for a couple years.

    He also fails to tell you all the areas LCDs are superior like

    power usage
    heat output
    desktop space
    clarity of text
    brightness
    built in card readers or usb ports (SOME late model CRTs have usb hubs)

    also for practicality they have higher resolutions.

    yeah there is a sony made CRT that comes in 1920x1200 but have fun with that 2000 pound hunk.

    no crt goes up to 2560x1600 either.

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  • ProjeckProjeck Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Hm, that $950 sounds too good to be true, price wise. Would is perform decently (at least mid settings) on most upcoming games?

    EDIT: Deusfaux- Thanks for the info, but he dropped the topic so it'd be nice if it was dropped by everyone as to not clutter the thread. :)

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  • CarnarvonCarnarvon Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Raslin wrote: »
    No monitor in there
    If possible, I would also like for the monitor and keyboard to be included

    I, personally, think he needs 640mb memory. He can pick up a CRT, mice and keyboard for $50 over at BestBuy.
    yeah there is a sony made CRT that comes in 1920x1200 but have fun with that 2000 pound hunk.

    My $80 22inch Daewoo Insignia CRT monitor is currently sitting at 1900x1440, and 20lbs or so.

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  • DeusfauxDeusfaux Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    also why the hell do people advise 250GB drives when 320s are like $5-10 more? seagate's 5yr warranty beats out western digital's too

    and 22" lcd's are TN panels which are the worst for visual quality. get a 20 or 24" from a reputable brand like samsung/dell/benq/lg

    and don't get a DVD-ROM when WRITE drives are pennies more

    don't get less than a 8800 GTS 320mb for video. get a 640 if you're getting a 24" monitor

    only get the quad if you're doing lots of stuff that uses quad cores like video encoding / compressing things/ autoCAD /etc

    for gaming stick with teh same priced core TWO duo, or drop down to a cheaper C2D.

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  • ProjeckProjeck Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Yeah, The keyboard/monitor thing isn't a big deal, as I actually do have a spare CRT that I could use temporarily, and I can get a keyboard for about 10 bucks.

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  • FaricazyFaricazy Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Carnarvon wrote: »
    My $80 22inch Daewoo Insignia CRT monitor is currently sitting at 1900x1440, and 20lbs or so.
    how many desks is it occupying

    2

    3

    many?

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  • RohanRohan Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Core 2 Duo E6550 2.33GHz 4MB Cache - $178.99
    Corsair XMS-2 2GB PC6400 - $104
    Samsung Spinpoint T series 400GB Sata - $84.99
    Asus P5B-Plus Intel P965 - $134.99
    Zalman ZM500-HP 500w PSU - $119.99
    PNY XLR8 GeForce 8800 GTS 320MB - $279.99
    Acer AL2016WBbd Black 20" 5ms TFT (1650*1080 or whatever) - $174.99

    Total - $1077.94, from Newegg

    Add in around $100 for a case and you're set. No need to go for the GTX - get a GTS and you'll get a cheap yet very powerful card for your money... I just bought one myself and it's much more than you will need for a long while.

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  • CarnarvonCarnarvon Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Deusfaux wrote: »
    also why the hell do people advise 250GB drives when 320s are like $5-10 more? seagate's 5yr warranty beats out western digital's too

    and 22" lcd's are TN panels which are the worst for visual quality. get a 20 or 24" from a reputable brand like samsung/dell/benq/lg

    and don't get a DVD-ROM when WRITE drives are pennies more

    don't get less than a 8800 GTS 320mb for video. get a 640 if you're getting a 24" monitor

    only get the quad if you're doing lots of stuff that uses quad cores like video encoding / compressing things/ autoCAD /etc

    for gaming stick with teh same priced core TWO duo, or drop down to a cheaper C2D.

    All games coming out in the next few years are going to(well, supposedly) be using quad cores. I enjoy a bit of future proofing, myself. The drive I picked out DOES burn DVDs, and I picked a 250gb drive because we're pinching pennies. For $25 more you can get a 500gb drive.

    Faricazy wrote: »
    Carnarvon wrote: »
    My $80 22inch Daewoo Insignia CRT monitor is currently sitting at 1900x1440, and 20lbs or so.
    how many desks is it occupying

    2

    3

    many?

    I have a quad-core desk. All the power of 4 desks, in one desk slot(The monitor only supports one core, though).

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  • FreddyDFreddyD Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Carnarvon wrote: »
    Raslin wrote: »
    No monitor in there
    If possible, I would also like for the monitor and keyboard to be included
    I, personally, think he needs 640mb memory. He can pick up a CRT, mice and keyboard for $50 over at BestBuy.
    yeah there is a sony made CRT that comes in 1920x1200 but have fun with that 2000 pound hunk.
    My $80 22inch Daewoo Insignia CRT monitor is currently sitting at 1900x1440, and 20lbs or so.
    You only need 640MB is you plan on using 4xAA at 1680x1050. I don't expect memory usage to fluctuate that much in the near future because most new games (especially the upcoming UE3.0 engine titles) are making heavier use of pixel shaders. 640MB would be nice to have, but I don't think it is worth paying an extra $100 for.

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  • ProjeckProjeck Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Ok, most of these would fit my budget with the 320 instead, but the OS take it right back up there :/

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  • DeusfauxDeusfaux Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    also get a P35 based board

    like ASUS P5K series


    and please list me the # of games out both right now and coming out this year that will use quad core

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