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So I am going to have roughly 1200 Us dollars to spend on a new computer, but am a little dumbfounded on what parts to order. Thus I came here to absorb the intellect of the cool denizens of GnT.
I'd like to have a 8800 as the video card but am not sure what variety, If possible, I would also like for the monitor and keyboard to be included within the budget. I'm willing to go a little above the budget if necessary.
I have a tablet, which also functions as a mouse, and a sound system, besides that-everything is going to be new.
Oh as for monitor size, whatever works really. Just I would prefer to move away from a CRT monitor.
Do you mind if I ask why?
Why what? Could you please specify?
Why are you moving away from a CRT? CRTs have the best response times, contrast ratios, and refresh rates, which is why many gamers still prefer a CRT over an LCD at this point in time.
but lcds take much less space, have brighter, more vibrant colors and most importantly, its much easier to find a nice widescreen LCD than a CRT. (also i call shennanigans on anyone who claims they see ghosting on a 2ms LCD, they also don't have a refresh rate period)
I have a tablet, which also functions as a mouse, and a sound system, besides that-everything is going to be new.
Oh as for monitor size, whatever works really. Just I would prefer to move away from a CRT monitor.
Do you mind if I ask why?
Why what? Could you please specify?
Why are you moving away from a CRT? CRTs have the best response times, contrast ratios, and refresh rates, which is why many gamers still prefer a CRT over an LCD at this point in time.
you may be confused about the year. it's 2007, dawg.
but lcds take much less space, have brighter, more vibrant colors and most importantly, its much easier to find a nice widescreen LCD than a CRT. (also i call shennanigans on anyone who claims they see ghosting on a 2ms LCD, they also don't have a refresh rate period)
but lcds take much less space, have brighter, more vibrant colors and most importantly, its much easier to find a nice widescreen LCD than a CRT. (also i call shennanigans on anyone who claims they see ghosting on a 2ms LCD, they also don't have a refresh rate period)
but lcds take much less space, have brighter, more vibrant colors and most importantly, its much easier to find a nice widescreen LCD than a CRT. (also i call shennanigans on anyone who claims they see ghosting on a 2ms LCD, they also don't have a refresh rate period)
I have a tablet, which also functions as a mouse, and a sound system, besides that-everything is going to be new.
Oh as for monitor size, whatever works really. Just I would prefer to move away from a CRT monitor.
Do you mind if I ask why?
Why what? Could you please specify?
Why are you moving away from a CRT? CRTs have the best response times, contrast ratios, and refresh rates, which is why many gamers still prefer a CRT over an LCD at this point in time.
you may be confused about the year. it's 2007, dawg.
Indeed. I hate to jump on the bandwagon, but this is exactly what I thought as a die-hard CRT fan until a couple of months ago, when my CRT suddenly died and an LCD was my only quick option. Within hours I was scolding myself for not taking the opportunity to move to an LCD monitor sooner. But to each their own.
but lcds take much less space, have brighter, more vibrant colors and most importantly, its much easier to find a nice widescreen LCD than a CRT. (also i call shennanigans on anyone who claims they see ghosting on a 2ms LCD, they also don't have a refresh rate period)
And I know it is 2007. That doesn't mean that a gamer shouldn't try both technologies and decide for himself.
but..that same page also says that they couldn't pick out ghosting with their eyes, just by using a high speed camera.
No, that's not true:
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]We placed one of our three CRTs in clone mode with an LCD and the latter takes a severe beating. We didn’t try to be nice as this test is extremely severe for current flat monitors. The result is so different that even our colleagues that don´t see afterglow on a 25ms monitor see it here. Going back to an LCD after this is really difficult. On CRTs, even if the phosphorus sometimes shows a persistence of images and even if in office mode we find them blurred at certain frequencies, games are superb. [/FONT]
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I think that this is kind of derailing the thread, so I'll drop the argument unless I feel like giving it its own topic.
For the OP, I would suggest the 320MB 8800GTS, a Core 2 Duo 6420, and a Gigabyte GA-965P motherboard. I would go Antec for the PSU and case, or FSP for the PSU if you are on a tight budget. You want at least 500W, with 30A on the 12v rail. I would consider this a mid-range build. [/FONT]
These are coming out pretty pricey, Would I regret dropping to an 8600?
It is hard to recommend an 8600GTS when an x1950 pro costs less and outperforms it. I don't think there are any games coming out in 2007 that would justify buying an under performing card just for the DX10 support.
AMD x2 5200+($129.99)
2 gigs of 'value' ram($70)
250gig HD($68)
8800GTS 320mb($280)
DVD-ROM, they're all pretty similar($18)
Abit KN9 Motherboard($75)
22in Widescreen LCD($200-250 dollars. Depends what you want)
Antec III Case/PSU($150 maybe?)
Windows XP($120ish)
That comes to about $950 before tax and shipping. That gives you some wiggle room. Throw on a better processor, or better version of the 8800, or a better screen. Or spend it on a nice keyboard, mouse, sound system, etc.
Why are you moving away from a CRT? CRTs have the best response times, contrast ratios, and refresh rates, which is why many gamers still prefer a CRT over an LCD at this point in time.
Don't listen to this guy. HE prefers CRT (and I have doubts about any real experience with a good LCD anyways) but to suggest there are "many" or even a "majority" who prefer them is laughable.
He says they have the best response times but that's an LCD measurement, and furthermore hasn't been an issue with them for a couple years.
He also fails to tell you all the areas LCDs are superior like
power usage
heat output
desktop space
clarity of text
brightness
built in card readers or usb ports (SOME late model CRTs have usb hubs)
also for practicality they have higher resolutions.
yeah there is a sony made CRT that comes in 1920x1200 but have fun with that 2000 pound hunk.
Yeah, The keyboard/monitor thing isn't a big deal, as I actually do have a spare CRT that I could use temporarily, and I can get a keyboard for about 10 bucks.
Core 2 Duo E6550 2.33GHz 4MB Cache - $178.99
Corsair XMS-2 2GB PC6400 - $104
Samsung Spinpoint T series 400GB Sata - $84.99
Asus P5B-Plus Intel P965 - $134.99
Zalman ZM500-HP 500w PSU - $119.99
PNY XLR8 GeForce 8800 GTS 320MB - $279.99
Acer AL2016WBbd Black 20" 5ms TFT (1650*1080 or whatever) - $174.99
Total - $1077.94, from Newegg
Add in around $100 for a case and you're set. No need to go for the GTX - get a GTS and you'll get a cheap yet very powerful card for your money... I just bought one myself and it's much more than you will need for a long while.
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...and I thought of how all those people died, and what a good death that is. That nobody can blame you for it, because everyone else died along with you, and it is the fault of none, save those who did the killing.
also why the hell do people advise 250GB drives when 320s are like $5-10 more? seagate's 5yr warranty beats out western digital's too
and 22" lcd's are TN panels which are the worst for visual quality. get a 20 or 24" from a reputable brand like samsung/dell/benq/lg
and don't get a DVD-ROM when WRITE drives are pennies more
don't get less than a 8800 GTS 320mb for video. get a 640 if you're getting a 24" monitor
only get the quad if you're doing lots of stuff that uses quad cores like video encoding / compressing things/ autoCAD /etc
for gaming stick with teh same priced core TWO duo, or drop down to a cheaper C2D.
All games coming out in the next few years are going to(well, supposedly) be using quad cores. I enjoy a bit of future proofing, myself. The drive I picked out DOES burn DVDs, and I picked a 250gb drive because we're pinching pennies. For $25 more you can get a 500gb drive.
If possible, I would also like for the monitor and keyboard to be included
I, personally, think he needs 640mb memory. He can pick up a CRT, mice and keyboard for $50 over at BestBuy.
yeah there is a sony made CRT that comes in 1920x1200 but have fun with that 2000 pound hunk.
My $80 22inch Daewoo Insignia CRT monitor is currently sitting at 1900x1440, and 20lbs or so.
You only need 640MB is you plan on using 4xAA at 1680x1050. I don't expect memory usage to fluctuate that much in the near future because most new games (especially the upcoming UE3.0 engine titles) are making heavier use of pixel shaders. 640MB would be nice to have, but I don't think it is worth paying an extra $100 for.
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Oh as for monitor size, whatever works really. Just I would prefer to move away from a CRT monitor.
Why what? Could you please specify?
EDIT: moving away from a CRT because they are the hueg.
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And I know it is 2007. That doesn't mean that a gamer shouldn't try both technologies and decide for himself.
I've used both, and I'd prefer a LCD.
Indeed. I hate to jump on the bandwagon, but this is exactly what I thought as a die-hard CRT fan until a couple of months ago, when my CRT suddenly died and an LCD was my only quick option. Within hours I was scolding myself for not taking the opportunity to move to an LCD monitor sooner. But to each their own.
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To the OP, what is your replacement cycle?(as in, how often do you normally upgrade your comp)
Especially if you count all three dimensions, right?
3ds friend code: 2981-6032-4118
This one I'm using I got about four years ago and was considered pretty bad even then.
I think that this is kind of derailing the thread, so I'll drop the argument unless I feel like giving it its own topic.
For the OP, I would suggest the 320MB 8800GTS, a Core 2 Duo 6420, and a Gigabyte GA-965P motherboard. I would go Antec for the PSU and case, or FSP for the PSU if you are on a tight budget. You want at least 500W, with 30A on the 12v rail. I would consider this a mid-range build.
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Alrightie then.
That's what I would get, just get a smaller HDD and/or Video Card to make room for your monitor.
For intermediate upgrades, you can get a second video card(SLI), and a second pack of memory.
Here's what you should look at:
AMD x2 5200+($129.99)
2 gigs of 'value' ram($70)
250gig HD($68)
8800GTS 320mb($280)
DVD-ROM, they're all pretty similar($18)
Abit KN9 Motherboard($75)
22in Widescreen LCD($200-250 dollars. Depends what you want)
Antec III Case/PSU($150 maybe?)
Windows XP($120ish)
That comes to about $950 before tax and shipping. That gives you some wiggle room. Throw on a better processor, or better version of the 8800, or a better screen. Or spend it on a nice keyboard, mouse, sound system, etc.
3ds friend code: 2981-6032-4118
Yes.
OS
Microsoft Windows XP Professional 64Bit SP2 - OEM
HDD
HITACHI Deskstar 250gb
Mobo
ASUS P5N-E
Processor
Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600
VC
BFG Tech GeForce 8800GTS 640MB
RAM
Kingston 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 800mhz
Case
Antec Sonata III w/500w PSU
DVD
SAMSUNG 18X DVD±R DVD Burner
$1,312
No monitor in there
3ds friend code: 2981-6032-4118
Don't listen to this guy. HE prefers CRT (and I have doubts about any real experience with a good LCD anyways) but to suggest there are "many" or even a "majority" who prefer them is laughable.
He says they have the best response times but that's an LCD measurement, and furthermore hasn't been an issue with them for a couple years.
He also fails to tell you all the areas LCDs are superior like
power usage
heat output
desktop space
clarity of text
brightness
built in card readers or usb ports (SOME late model CRTs have usb hubs)
also for practicality they have higher resolutions.
yeah there is a sony made CRT that comes in 1920x1200 but have fun with that 2000 pound hunk.
no crt goes up to 2560x1600 either.
EDIT: Deusfaux- Thanks for the info, but he dropped the topic so it'd be nice if it was dropped by everyone as to not clutter the thread.
I, personally, think he needs 640mb memory. He can pick up a CRT, mice and keyboard for $50 over at BestBuy.
My $80 22inch Daewoo Insignia CRT monitor is currently sitting at 1900x1440, and 20lbs or so.
and 22" lcd's are TN panels which are the worst for visual quality. get a 20 or 24" from a reputable brand like samsung/dell/benq/lg
and don't get a DVD-ROM when WRITE drives are pennies more
don't get less than a 8800 GTS 320mb for video. get a 640 if you're getting a 24" monitor
only get the quad if you're doing lots of stuff that uses quad cores like video encoding / compressing things/ autoCAD /etc
for gaming stick with teh same priced core TWO duo, or drop down to a cheaper C2D.
2
3
many?
Corsair XMS-2 2GB PC6400 - $104
Samsung Spinpoint T series 400GB Sata - $84.99
Asus P5B-Plus Intel P965 - $134.99
Zalman ZM500-HP 500w PSU - $119.99
PNY XLR8 GeForce 8800 GTS 320MB - $279.99
Acer AL2016WBbd Black 20" 5ms TFT (1650*1080 or whatever) - $174.99
Total - $1077.94, from Newegg
Add in around $100 for a case and you're set. No need to go for the GTX - get a GTS and you'll get a cheap yet very powerful card for your money... I just bought one myself and it's much more than you will need for a long while.
Nothing's forgotten, nothing is ever forgotten
All games coming out in the next few years are going to(well, supposedly) be using quad cores. I enjoy a bit of future proofing, myself. The drive I picked out DOES burn DVDs, and I picked a 250gb drive because we're pinching pennies. For $25 more you can get a 500gb drive.
I have a quad-core desk. All the power of 4 desks, in one desk slot(The monitor only supports one core, though).
like ASUS P5K series
and please list me the # of games out both right now and coming out this year that will use quad core