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You know, I watched Say Anything... for the first time a couple days ago. It was awesome. It got me wondering: Why don't we have awesome teen movies anymore? We occasionally get something awesome, like Bring It On, but mostly we get dreck like 10 Things I Hate About You. What the hell? Why were they able to make legions of kick-ass teen movies in the 80s, and now they can't?
I'd chalk it up to overly-rosy memories, but then that wouldn't apply to Say Anything... because I only just saw it. And I strongly suspect that if I were to watch Ferris Bueller, Breakfast Club, Pretty in Pink, Better Off Dead, Secret Admirer, or any number of other flicks from the 80s for the first time today, I'd still think they rocked.
What the fuck, Hollywood? Do we need to travel back in time and kidnap the Brat Pack for you yokels to make any more decent teen movies?
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Generally speaking teen movies are never awesome. I'll admit Ferris Bueller is pretty good but I don't think the others are much better than the teen movies that come out today.
To be fair, it was one of the better ones. It still fails hard in comparison to pretty much any John Hughes film, and I would hesitate to call it "good". It was passable. Maybe.
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Generally speaking teen movies are never awesome. I'll admit Ferris Bueller is pretty good but I don't think the others are much better than the teen movies that come out today.
The ones of yesteryear had heart, and the characters were endearing and likeable. I challenge anyone with a soul to not like Lloyd Dobbler. Even though Bring It On was great, I didn't give a shit about any of the characters. If Kirsten Dunst had been hit by a truck in the final scene, I wouldn't have flinched.
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I've always been a fan (albeit shamefully) of the teen movie genre, from 80's awesomeness like Say Anything, Some Kind of Wonderful, and Better Off Dead to more current stuff like Mean Girls and She's The Man. Good ones come out about once or twice a year, but the rest are usually awful unwatchable stuff. I find something comforting about the slapstick humor, the juvenile jokes, and the innocent optimism and predictability of it all.
I find something comforting about the slapstick humor, the juvenile jokes, and the innocent optimism and predictability of it all.
See, that's the thing. Modern teen movies seem to have lots of slapstick humor and juvenile jokes. Older ones, not so much. Modern ones seem to be more formulaic, not just in the plot, but in the writing. Like, someone has a big file full of Standard Teen Movie Jokes, and after the script is written they throw one in every ten minutes to meet their quota.
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To be fair, it was one of the better ones. It still fails hard in comparison to pretty much any John Hughes film, and I would hesitate to call it "good". It was passable. Maybe.
I think you hit it right here, Jeffe. There's no current John Hughes type out there to capture the feeling.
I think this is one of those "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" situations, where everyone has an opinion of what a good teen movie is, and what a good tenn movie is not. Growing up in the 1980s (with 2 sisters), I have fond memories of Revenge of the Nerds, 16 Candles and The Breakfast Club. However, I'm sure that someone 10 years my junior thinks teen movies reached their pinnicle with American Pie.
Regardless, nothing can ever come close to the ultimate teen movie:
It's hard to watch teen movies when you're no longer a teen. It gets even harder as you get older because the problems become more and more remote. Some never change, obviously... but the parameters and the spectrum does and as the surrounding detail becomes more alien.
/sigh
I do yearn for the days of Ferris Bueller and The Breakfast Club.
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I find something comforting about the slapstick humor, the juvenile jokes, and the innocent optimism and predictability of it all.
See, that's the thing. Modern teen movies seem to have lots of slapstick humor and juvenile jokes. Older ones, not so much. Modern ones seem to be more formulaic, not just in the plot, but in the writing. Like, someone has a big file full of Standard Teen Movie Jokes, and after the script is written they throw one in every ten minutes to meet their quota.
Well, the older ones still had a lot of goofy, corny jokes. You can see where a lot of modern movies steal from those ideas and go for the easiest laugh possible, or else their modern audience will get bored and shuffle away to the next Hillary Duff disaster-piece. I guess I've rewatched some of those older movies enough times that the memorable oneliners and bits become a joke in and of themselves, if that makes any sense.
Also, a good teen movie better have a soundtrack that will stand the test of time. Breakfast Club, Some Kind of Wonderful, Say Anything (if only for that one scene), all had great soundtracks that the modern stuff just cannot compete with, even if a little dated.
Bring it on was good? I haven't seen it but I refuse to accept this under any circumstances.
That's nice, but this isn't a cheerocracy where your opinion matter. No, this is a cheertatorship under the iron fisted hand of Thanatos' spirit fingers.
Bring it on was good? I haven't seen it but I refuse to accept this under any circumstances.
That's nice, but this isn't a cheerocracy where your opinion matter. No, this is a cheertatorship under the iron fisted hand of Thanatos' spirit fingers.
I assume we can cheertinue? Man, Not Another Teen Movie was actually rather funny.
Bring it on was good? I haven't seen it but I refuse to accept this under any circumstances.
That's nice, but this isn't a cheerocracy where your opinion matter. No, this is a cheertatorship under the iron fisted hand of Thanatos' spirit fingers.
I assume we can cheertinue? Man, Not Another Teen Movie was actually rather funny.
That last sentence better be a joke. That movie was goddamned awful. Like Scary Movie only with fewer good jokes and shittier acting.
Uh, Jeffe? You're an old man. You aren't supposed to like current teen movies, because that makes you a pervert or something.
That said, most of the movies you listed are not all that great in the grand scheme of things, and they require a certain mindset that was available in the 80's to truly appreciate. Today's kids are just different than we were.
Personally? I don't miss the teen movies, I miss the adult ones (not those adult ones). I could go for another Bachelor Party or Up the Creek, that's for sure.
Bring it on was good? I haven't seen it but I refuse to accept this under any circumstances.
That's nice, but this isn't a cheerocracy where your opinion matter. No, this is a cheertatorship under the iron fisted hand of Thanatos' spirit fingers.
I assume we can cheertinue? Man, Not Another Teen Movie was actually rather funny.
That last sentence better be a joke. That movie was goddamned awful. Like Scary Movie only with fewer good jokes and shittier acting.
You mean... you mean you've never had anyone take a dump on your chest?
That said, most of the movies you listed are not all that great in the grand scheme of things, and they require a certain mindset that was available in the 80's to truly appreciate.
Salmon'd for "what the fuck are you talking about, you filthy liar?"
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Generally speaking teen movies are never awesome. I'll admit Ferris Bueller is pretty good but I don't think the others are much better than the teen movies that come out today.
The ones of yesteryear had heart, and the characters were endearing and likeable. I challenge anyone with a soul to not like Lloyd Dobbler. Even though Bring It On was great, I didn't give a shit about any of the characters. If Kirsten Dunst had been hit by a truck in the final scene, I wouldn't have flinched.
I think that would have actually made the movie better. Like if Pulp Fiction was shown chronologically. I think more movies would benefit from "capping" things off like that. Add a little absurdity to the whole thing.
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No no, don't you run and hide like that. Clueless was a great film. It was based on Emma, for crying out loud. I pretty much had a huge grin on my face all the way through.
Plus, the 'behind the scenes' of the highway scene is pretty entertaining. They didn't expect that truck to come up behind them
That said, most of the movies you listed are not all that great in the grand scheme of things, and they require a certain mindset that was available in the 80's to truly appreciate.
Salmon'd for "what the fuck are you talking about, you filthy liar?"
I can't help it if you can't handle the truth.
The 80's teen movies (yes, even Weird Science though I do love it so) don't cross generations all that well in my experience. Show it to a 20 year old today and they are more likely to identify with American Pie than the Breakfast Club. Those with roots in the 80's are most likely to have a disproportionate amount of affection for big hair-and-leg warmer movies.
God, I thought Bring it On was awful... it just stereotypical claptrap devoid of any creativity...
It also assured me that Kirsten Dunst's acting ability peaked when she was eight.
I think a lot of teen movies these days are way to one dimensional, completely missing the subtext of the Hughes movies.
I mean, today they are all about getting laid, and while that was one part of a John Huges film, it was never the whole story. He talked a lot about class issues, and other things that teens go through. Todays teen movies just don't reach across that spectrum.
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When I was a little kid, I always pretended I was the hero,' Skip said.
'Fuck yeah, me too. What little kid ever pretended to be part of the lynch-mob?'
People who identify more with American Pie than with Breakfast club, though, are wrong.
Objectively wrong.
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I guess a good 90's equivalent for a teen flick to me, is Can't Hardly Wait. And i'm not saying that because I would plow Jennifer Love Hewitt like a corn field.
And Super Bad is gonna be fucking awesome.
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I was really disappointed with Mean Girls. It starts out great, but the second half completely reverses into the most generic of teen movies.
What about the horrible T&A teen flicks of the 80s? No love for Porky's, Screwballs or the hundreds of pther terrible movies aimed at 16 year odl boys?
What about the horrible T&A teen flicks of the 80s? No love for Porky's, Screwballs or the hundreds of pther terrible movies aimed at 16 year odl boys?
What about the horrible T&A teen flicks of the 80s? No love for Porky's, Screwballs or the hundreds of pther terrible movies aimed at 16 year odl boys?
Caddyshack? Revenge of the Nerds?
Also, I want some love for:
That's right, an alien device turns a high school into a giant time altering dimension. Classic.
That's right, an alien device turns a high school into a giant time altering dimension. Classic.
I watched that movie all the damned time.
I thought "It's God-fucking-zilla" was the height of wit.
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(I wouldn't know, I never saw it; I actually haven't seen most movies that came out in the last 10 years, and I'm 24)
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She's All That, not so much. "Hack-ee-sack!"
The ones of yesteryear had heart, and the characters were endearing and likeable. I challenge anyone with a soul to not like Lloyd Dobbler. Even though Bring It On was great, I didn't give a shit about any of the characters. If Kirsten Dunst had been hit by a truck in the final scene, I wouldn't have flinched.
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See, that's the thing. Modern teen movies seem to have lots of slapstick humor and juvenile jokes. Older ones, not so much. Modern ones seem to be more formulaic, not just in the plot, but in the writing. Like, someone has a big file full of Standard Teen Movie Jokes, and after the script is written they throw one in every ten minutes to meet their quota.
I think you hit it right here, Jeffe. There's no current John Hughes type out there to capture the feeling.
Regardless, nothing can ever come close to the ultimate teen movie:
Hells yes. It looks like it might be this generation's Dazed and Confused.
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/sigh
I do yearn for the days of Ferris Bueller and The Breakfast Club.
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Well, the older ones still had a lot of goofy, corny jokes. You can see where a lot of modern movies steal from those ideas and go for the easiest laugh possible, or else their modern audience will get bored and shuffle away to the next Hillary Duff disaster-piece. I guess I've rewatched some of those older movies enough times that the memorable oneliners and bits become a joke in and of themselves, if that makes any sense.
Also, a good teen movie better have a soundtrack that will stand the test of time. Breakfast Club, Some Kind of Wonderful, Say Anything (if only for that one scene), all had great soundtracks that the modern stuff just cannot compete with, even if a little dated.
That's nice, but this isn't a cheerocracy where your opinion matter. No, this is a cheertatorship under the iron fisted hand of Thanatos' spirit fingers.
I assume we can cheertinue? Man, Not Another Teen Movie was actually rather funny.
That last sentence better be a joke. That movie was goddamned awful. Like Scary Movie only with fewer good jokes and shittier acting.
That said, most of the movies you listed are not all that great in the grand scheme of things, and they require a certain mindset that was available in the 80's to truly appreciate. Today's kids are just different than we were.
Personally? I don't miss the teen movies, I miss the adult ones (not those adult ones). I could go for another Bachelor Party or Up the Creek, that's for sure.
You mean... you mean you've never had anyone take a dump on your chest?
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I think that would have actually made the movie better. Like if Pulp Fiction was shown chronologically. I think more movies would benefit from "capping" things off like that. Add a little absurdity to the whole thing.
No no, don't you run and hide like that. Clueless was a great film. It was based on Emma, for crying out loud. I pretty much had a huge grin on my face all the way through.
Plus, the 'behind the scenes' of the highway scene is pretty entertaining. They didn't expect that truck to come up behind them
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I can't help it if you can't handle the truth.
The 80's teen movies (yes, even Weird Science though I do love it so) don't cross generations all that well in my experience. Show it to a 20 year old today and they are more likely to identify with American Pie than the Breakfast Club. Those with roots in the 80's are most likely to have a disproportionate amount of affection for big hair-and-leg warmer movies.
It also assured me that Kirsten Dunst's acting ability peaked when she was eight.
I think a lot of teen movies these days are way to one dimensional, completely missing the subtext of the Hughes movies.
I mean, today they are all about getting laid, and while that was one part of a John Huges film, it was never the whole story. He talked a lot about class issues, and other things that teens go through. Todays teen movies just don't reach across that spectrum.
Objectively wrong.
And Super Bad is gonna be fucking awesome.
Up the Creek!!!
Caddyshack? Revenge of the Nerds?
Also, I want some love for:
That's right, an alien device turns a high school into a giant time altering dimension. Classic.
eeewwwww...
I watched that movie all the damned time.
I thought "It's God-fucking-zilla" was the height of wit.
(I wouldn't know, I never saw it; I actually haven't seen most movies that came out in the last 10 years, and I'm 24)
I'll be fine, just give me a minute, a man's got a limit, I can't get a life if my heart's not in it.
No. Overrated. So much.