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The Very Best AGP Has To Offer?

PheezerPheezer Registered User, ClubPA regular
edited September 2007 in Games and Technology
Okay, so I don't want to upgrade my motherboard because I'm not willing to also upgrade the PSU and CPU as well. The PSU would theoretically work on a PCI-E board, but wouldn't likely hold up to the power demands of a really good video card, and I have an S939 CPU but I mean let's face it why would I upgrade to a PCI-E S939 board that's like $150+ to stick with a dead end computer and anyhow I can't afford a good video card so it's a moot point.

So I'm sticking with my current AGP motherboard from pre-HL2 days.

Now I want to know what the best, most powerful, most up to date AGP based videocard is. Or the top two or three just so I have an idea.

In addition, I want to know what's available in AGP in terms of video inputs. Are there any cards that support exotic things like component or HDMI in? Or just the standard old S-Video in? I'm just really curious what the options are in terms of this area as well, and no, I don't really expect much overlap between this category and the former question.

See, I figure I can upgrade my PC to the limit of what AGP can support, play whatever's been released so far and maybe a few more games in the near future and otherwise have something that just doesn't suck and maybe has S-Video in.
Alternatively though, if I could get something that supports component or HDMI or even DVI in, I'd be interested in that a little moreso.

So, what's out there people

And no I'm not going to upgrade to PCI-E if it's $150 for the motherboard on top of $200 for the videocard I'll just buy an XBOX 360.

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  • PheezerPheezer Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited August 2007
    oh also I'm in Canada so I can't order from NewEgg but if you can link a similarly cheap American site that ships to Canada I'd like that because hahahahaha fuck your dollar sucks

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  • DeusfauxDeusfaux Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    7950 GT
    X1950 Pro

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  • FreddyDFreddyD Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Buy an x1950GT, and overclock it to a Pro. You'll be all set for 2007 and you'll barely spend more than a C note.

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  • DeusfauxDeusfaux Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    GeCube X1950XT
    7900GS

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  • PheezerPheezer Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited August 2007
    FreddyD wrote: »
    Buy an x1950GT, and overclock it to a Pro. You'll be all set for 2007 and you'll barely spend more than a C note.

    hurr hurr hurr newegg

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  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Cybertronian Paranormal Eliminator Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    FreddyD wrote: »
    Buy an x1950GT, and overclock it to a Pro. You'll be all set for 2007 and you'll barely spend more than a C note.

    I'm in a similar boat (Don't want to upgrade to a PCI-X motherboard, need a good AGP video card). How exactly would I go about overclocking the device (Would I need to increase the cooling at all? How stable would it end up being? Would it be worth the time to just buy a normal x1950GT PRO card?)

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  • stigweardstigweard Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Didn't our dollar drop 24 cents today? Your best bet is to browse NCIX and computers Canada (the site is sometimes out of date but it has the lowest prices of all the Canadian websites). As for a specific card, I think the best has already been mentioned.

    edit: Aparently not. I must have dreamed it.

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  • FreddyDFreddyD Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    FreddyD wrote: »
    Buy an x1950GT, and overclock it to a Pro. You'll be all set for 2007 and you'll barely spend more than a C note.

    I'm in a similar boat (Don't want to upgrade to a PCI-X motherboard, need a good AGP video card). How exactly would I go about overclocking the device (Would I need to increase the cooling at all? How stable would it end up being? Would it be worth the time to just buy a normal x1950GT PRO card?)
    I usually don't overclock either but the x1950GT is a strange card. The core is severely underclocked, and you can push it from 500 to 621 without any major temperature changes. The stock cooler is the same one in the x1950Pro card. The memory however, does not overclock at all. Not even 1Mhz. You can overclock with rivatuner or ati tool. I couldn't get overclocking to work with ATI's overdrive.

    Sorry DrDizaster. I forgot you live in Canadaland.

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  • PheezerPheezer Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited August 2007
    stigweard wrote: »
    Didn't our dollar drop 24 cents today? Your best bet is to browse NCIX and computers Canada (the site is sometimes out of date but it has the lowest prices of all the Canadian websites). As for a specific card, I think the best has already been mentioned.

    oh fuck you for making me panic and look

    it's still at 95 cents US

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  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Cybertronian Paranormal Eliminator Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    FreddyD wrote: »
    FreddyD wrote: »
    Buy an x1950GT, and overclock it to a Pro. You'll be all set for 2007 and you'll barely spend more than a C note.

    I'm in a similar boat (Don't want to upgrade to a PCI-X motherboard, need a good AGP video card). How exactly would I go about overclocking the device (Would I need to increase the cooling at all? How stable would it end up being? Would it be worth the time to just buy a normal x1950GT PRO card?)
    I usually don't overclock either but the x1950GT is a strange card. The core is severely underclocked, and you can push it from 500 to 621 without any major temperature changes. The stock cooler is the same one in the x1950Pro card. The memory however, does not overclock at all. Not even 1Mhz. You can overclock with rivatuner or ati tool. I couldn't get overclocking to work with ATI's overdrive.

    Sorry DrDizaster. I forgot you live in Canadaland.

    Meh, it's only 256mb.. Wouldn't a 512 be better?

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  • FreddyDFreddyD Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    FreddyD wrote: »
    FreddyD wrote: »
    Buy an x1950GT, and overclock it to a Pro. You'll be all set for 2007 and you'll barely spend more than a C note.

    I'm in a similar boat (Don't want to upgrade to a PCI-X motherboard, need a good AGP video card). How exactly would I go about overclocking the device (Would I need to increase the cooling at all? How stable would it end up being? Would it be worth the time to just buy a normal x1950GT PRO card?)
    I usually don't overclock either but the x1950GT is a strange card. The core is severely underclocked, and you can push it from 500 to 621 without any major temperature changes. The stock cooler is the same one in the x1950Pro card. The memory however, does not overclock at all. Not even 1Mhz. You can overclock with rivatuner or ati tool. I couldn't get overclocking to work with ATI's overdrive.

    Sorry DrDizaster. I forgot you live in Canadaland.

    Meh, it's only 256mb.. Wouldn't a 512 be better?
    You would only need 512MB if you want to play the latest games with 4xAA at resolutions over 1680x1050, which you won't be doing on that card anyways. It would be like playing a slide show.

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  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Cybertronian Paranormal Eliminator Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    FreddyD wrote: »
    FreddyD wrote: »
    FreddyD wrote: »
    Buy an x1950GT, and overclock it to a Pro. You'll be all set for 2007 and you'll barely spend more than a C note.

    I'm in a similar boat (Don't want to upgrade to a PCI-X motherboard, need a good AGP video card). How exactly would I go about overclocking the device (Would I need to increase the cooling at all? How stable would it end up being? Would it be worth the time to just buy a normal x1950GT PRO card?)
    I usually don't overclock either but the x1950GT is a strange card. The core is severely underclocked, and you can push it from 500 to 621 without any major temperature changes. The stock cooler is the same one in the x1950Pro card. The memory however, does not overclock at all. Not even 1Mhz. You can overclock with rivatuner or ati tool. I couldn't get overclocking to work with ATI's overdrive.

    Sorry DrDizaster. I forgot you live in Canadaland.

    Meh, it's only 256mb.. Wouldn't a 512 be better?
    You would only need 512MB if you want to play the latest games with 4xAA at resolutions over 1680x1050, which you won't be doing on that card anyways. It would be like playing a slide show.

    Well then, thank you sir, you've pointed me straight at an answer to a question I've been pondering for several days.

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  • PheezerPheezer Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited August 2007
    Right now it looks like a race between the X1950 Pro and the 7900 GS in terms of bag per buck and the X1950 Pro seems to be in the lead. Is that one good for overclocking too or is it just the X1950 GT that's good to overclock?

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  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Cybertronian Paranormal Eliminator Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Oh yeah, my Power Supply is only like 400-420 watts.. will that be enough for this card?

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  • PheezerPheezer Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited August 2007
    Like okay, I'm looking at these HL2 Ep 1 tests with HDR on and 4xAA and 16xAF and my TV only supports up to 13whatever x 768 (or whatever that resolution really is) anyhow and both of those cards are still getting 30 or 40 FPS at 1280x1024 so I think I'd actually be relatively future proof just based on the fact that I'm not going to be running anything at even that high of a resolution. I guess DX10 support would be the only thing that'd cause problems, really.

    I'm assuming DX10 is only supported by PCI-E cards, right?

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  • FreddyDFreddyD Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    DrDizaster wrote: »
    Right now it looks like a race between the X1950 Pro and the 7900 GS in terms of bag per buck and the X1950 Pro seems to be in the lead. Is that one good for overclocking too or is it just the X1950 GT that's good to overclock?
    It runs at 575/1380 stock and 621/1500 is about the average overclock. Which is decent, but not jawdropping.

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  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Cybertronian Paranormal Eliminator Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Okay, I got the card, but I have an issue. I get fantastic framerates in games like Doom 3 and Half-Life 2 even while I crank everything to maximum; however occassionaly the games will just freeze out of the blue for several seconds, then go back to normal.

    I noticed the card's box says it wants a 450 watt power supply, but I only have a 420 watt; would that cause this issue? (I would figure the entire system would just shut down if it ran out of power.)

    EDIT: And just before anyone asks, yes I tried the latest drivers. I also tried the drivers that came on the disc; still no effect.

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  • urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    I have the X1950Pro but in the PCI-E and it's by-far the best video card I've ever purchased. I love ATI's software a lot. Very overclockable.

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  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Cybertronian Paranormal Eliminator Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Okay, I'm thinking of just getting a new power supply to see if it fixes my problem. Anyone got any recommendations on brand/wattage? The card recommends a minimum of 450watts.

    I currently have in this machine:

    Abit NF7 motherboard
    Athlon XP +3200
    3x Crucial 512mb DDR PC2700 RAM (I think)
    COOLERMASTER AERO 7+ Heatsink/Fan combo
    Soundblaster Audigy
    40GB Harddrive
    120GB Harddrive
    300GB Harddrive
    16x DVD drive
    A Linksys WRTG54 Wireless Network Card
    and the x1950gt card

    All running on a 420w powersupply at the moment. The case is an ATX.

    EDIT: Oh, and a cheap price would be nice; so long as it doesn't run like crap or will break down easily.

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  • DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Okay, I'm thinking of just getting a new power supply to see if it fixes my problem. Anyone got any recommendations on brand/wattage? The card recommends a minimum of 450watts.

    I currently have in this machine:

    Abit NF7 motherboard
    Athlon XP +3200
    3x Crucial 512mb DDR PC2700 RAM (I think)
    COOLERMASTER AERO 7+ Heatsink/Fan combo
    Soundblaster Audigy
    40GB Harddrive
    120GB Harddrive
    300GB Harddrive
    16x DVD drive
    A Linksys WRTG54 Wireless Network Card
    and the x1950gt card

    All running on a 420w powersupply at the moment. The case is an ATX.

    EDIT: Oh, and a cheap price would be nice; so long as it doesn't run like crap or will break down easily.

    I'm pretty sure any 450w power supply would run on that Mobo. I'm too lazy to find a specific one, they're not hard to find.

    Also, way to hijack the thread :P

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  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Cybertronian Paranormal Eliminator Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Dhalphir wrote: »
    Okay, I'm thinking of just getting a new power supply to see if it fixes my problem. Anyone got any recommendations on brand/wattage? The card recommends a minimum of 450watts.

    I currently have in this machine:

    Abit NF7 motherboard
    Athlon XP +3200
    3x Crucial 512mb DDR PC2700 RAM (I think)
    COOLERMASTER AERO 7+ Heatsink/Fan combo
    Soundblaster Audigy
    40GB Harddrive
    120GB Harddrive
    300GB Harddrive
    16x DVD drive
    A Linksys WRTG54 Wireless Network Card
    and the x1950gt card

    All running on a 420w powersupply at the moment. The case is an ATX.

    EDIT: Oh, and a cheap price would be nice; so long as it doesn't run like crap or will break down easily.

    I'm pretty sure any 450w power supply would run on that Mobo. I'm too lazy to find a specific one, they're not hard to find.

    Also, way to hijack the thread :P

    Not really, this involves trying to make the video card recommended in this thread work on my PC. :P

    Also, I think I may want to go 500w or even 550w just to be on the safe side. I was just asking if there were any brands that people would recommend over others. (and any brands to avoid)

    This cooler max 550 is only $50 after rebate. Sound good? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817159026

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  • DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    edited September 2007
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  • anti-everythinganti-everything Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Apparently Nvidia is working to release Geforce 8 series for AGP

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  • CarnarvonCarnarvon Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    I've got a 7800GS. It's pretty nice, runs Bioshock on medium at liveable frames.

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  • OtakuD00DOtakuD00D Can I hit the exploding rocks? San DiegoRegistered User regular
    edited September 2007
    I... Still have a 6600GT. I need a new card. I'm thinking upgading my RAM to two gigs and getting a 7900/7950 GS/GT is good enough for now.

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  • FreddyDFreddyD Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Apparently Nvidia is working to release Geforce 8 series for AGP
    What the hell? The 8800 would be CPU limited and the 8600 would be a waste of time.

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  • tsmvengytsmvengy Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Dhalphir wrote: »
    Okay, I'm thinking of just getting a new power supply to see if it fixes my problem. Anyone got any recommendations on brand/wattage? The card recommends a minimum of 450watts.

    I currently have in this machine:

    Abit NF7 motherboard
    Athlon XP +3200
    3x Crucial 512mb DDR PC2700 RAM (I think)
    COOLERMASTER AERO 7+ Heatsink/Fan combo
    Soundblaster Audigy
    40GB Harddrive
    120GB Harddrive
    300GB Harddrive
    16x DVD drive
    A Linksys WRTG54 Wireless Network Card
    and the x1950gt card

    All running on a 420w powersupply at the moment. The case is an ATX.

    EDIT: Oh, and a cheap price would be nice; so long as it doesn't run like crap or will break down easily.

    I'm pretty sure any 450w power supply would run on that Mobo. I'm too lazy to find a specific one, they're not hard to find.

    Also, way to hijack the thread :P

    Not really, this involves trying to make the video card recommended in this thread work on my PC. :P

    Also, I think I may want to go 500w or even 550w just to be on the safe side. I was just asking if there were any brands that people would recommend over others. (and any brands to avoid)

    This cooler max 550 is only $50 after rebate. Sound good? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817159026


    I seriously doubt you need a new power supply. Those recommendations take into account the "max computer specs," which is something like the most power-hungry processor in existence, 4 sticks of power-sucking RAM, and like 10 hard drives. There's NO WAY your system is drawing close to 420W at this point.

    I checked out a power-supply calculator (which also grossly overestimate) and it says you need 350W.

    tl;dr DON'T get a new PSU!

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  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Cybertronian Paranormal Eliminator Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    tsmvengy wrote: »
    Dhalphir wrote: »
    Okay, I'm thinking of just getting a new power supply to see if it fixes my problem. Anyone got any recommendations on brand/wattage? The card recommends a minimum of 450watts.

    I currently have in this machine:

    Abit NF7 motherboard
    Athlon XP +3200
    3x Crucial 512mb DDR PC2700 RAM (I think)
    COOLERMASTER AERO 7+ Heatsink/Fan combo
    Soundblaster Audigy
    40GB Harddrive
    120GB Harddrive
    300GB Harddrive
    16x DVD drive
    A Linksys WRTG54 Wireless Network Card
    and the x1950gt card

    All running on a 420w powersupply at the moment. The case is an ATX.

    EDIT: Oh, and a cheap price would be nice; so long as it doesn't run like crap or will break down easily.

    I'm pretty sure any 450w power supply would run on that Mobo. I'm too lazy to find a specific one, they're not hard to find.

    Also, way to hijack the thread :P

    Not really, this involves trying to make the video card recommended in this thread work on my PC. :P

    Also, I think I may want to go 500w or even 550w just to be on the safe side. I was just asking if there were any brands that people would recommend over others. (and any brands to avoid)

    This cooler max 550 is only $50 after rebate. Sound good? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817159026


    I seriously doubt you need a new power supply. Those recommendations take into account the "max computer specs," which is something like the most power-hungry processor in existence, 4 sticks of power-sucking RAM, and like 10 hard drives. There's NO WAY your system is drawing close to 420W at this point.

    I checked out a power-supply calculator (which also grossly overestimate) and it says you need 350W.

    tl;dr DON'T get a new PSU!

    But why am I getting that random freezeup during games now?

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  • urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    I usually get about 100W more than the recommendation. To be on the safe side. It's not like having more Wattage is bad for your computer anyway. And $50 for that 550W is a good deal, I'd take that.

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  • DarmakDarmak RAGE vympyvvhyc vyctyvyRegistered User regular
    edited September 2007
    I have an X1950 Pro for PCI-e and I must say it's absolutely fucking awesome. I'd like to upgrade at some point in the future, but I won't need to any time soon. It's not top of the line, but it's still damned good and it was probably the best video card I've ever bought. In my last computer I had a Geforce 7800 GS and all I ever got from it was problems.

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  • urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Darmak wrote: »
    I have an X1950 Pro for PCI-e and I must say it's absolutely fucking awesome. I'd like to upgrade at some point in the future, but I won't need to any time soon. It's not top of the line, but it's still damned good and it was probably the best video card I've ever bought. In my last computer I had a Geforce 7800 GS and all I ever got from it was problems.

    :^: Same here sir. Best card I've ever purchased.

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  • j0hnz3rj0hnz3r Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    FreddyD wrote: »
    Apparently Nvidia is working to release Geforce 8 series for AGP
    What the hell? The 8800 would be CPU limited and the 8600 would be a waste of time.

    If the 8600 ran more efficiently and slightly better than the 7600, I'd probably get it to replace a 6800 I have, since 8600gt > 7600gt > 6800gt. The power reduction and sound reduction are really the selling point for me on these.

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  • TekkoTekko Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    If you are running Catalyst 7.8 that could be your problem. I have a x1950pro AGP, and as soon as I went from 7.7 to 7.8 my machine started freaking out. After a little google searching, it looks like there are issues with 7.8 and AGP cards.

    Get the cat-uninstaller from ATi, have it uninstall all the ATi software and then install the 7.7 drivers and see if that helps at all.

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  • PipboyPipboy Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    urahonky wrote: »
    Darmak wrote: »
    I have an X1950 Pro for PCI-e and I must say it's absolutely fucking awesome. I'd like to upgrade at some point in the future, but I won't need to any time soon. It's not top of the line, but it's still damned good and it was probably the best video card I've ever bought. In my last computer I had a Geforce 7800 GS and all I ever got from it was problems.

    :^: Same here sir. Best card I've ever purchased.


    Yeah, I'm lovin' the 1950 series when it comes to quality midrange cards. I managed to get the 1950XT for the same price 1950 pro was going for waaay back in March thanks to a friend and some rebates. Since my monitor's native resolution is only at 1280 anyway, the card is constructed of pure, unadulterated win.

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  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Cybertronian Paranormal Eliminator Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Okay, I seem to be getting an odd slowdown with this card. It's usually when flash is playing something (like an embedded youtube video, or one of the multitude of ads) or when it tries to do transparency (like when a rightclick menu fads in and out)

    I've reinstalled the drivers and even reformatting the entire machine; the problem still exists on a fresh install. And it's driving me batty.

    EDIT: Installing some earlier drivers seems to have fixed the problem. Weird.

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  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Cybertronian Paranormal Eliminator Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Holy shit! Dropping the drivers down to 7.5 has made a HUGE impact in performance! I'm easily getting a 25% or more boost to speed in HL2 Episode 1. Wow.

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