Anyway, to robot bear boy. If the church is overly aggressive in attacking the aristocracy, that will inevitably lead to the chancellor simply using all of his abilities on pardons to attempt to rebalance the power instead of the more useful alternative of torture, as well as a massive waste of items from both sides. We don't necessarily need to overly concern ourselves with keeping a strict balance, but we also don't need the church to be a retard party.
After thinking about this for a little bit, it seems to me that we may be more successful if the Aristocrats and the Church work together. There are two main recurring sources of jailing, those being the popular vote and our Cardinal.
Right now if all of the church voted for an aristocrat and all of the aristocracy voted for a clergyman, we'd pretty much have a tie. However if we (the church) take full advantage of our Cardinal, we can very quickly reduce the Aristocracy to the point where they cannot oppose our bandwagon. Essentially we would be overpowering the aristocracy, as without the numbers to sway the vote and without a jail power of their own, the church would get to jail two targets a day without opposition.
However, I do not think this is the best tactic at this time. The church and the aristocracy have a shared win condition, whatever other win conditions we may also have. I think we should shoot for shared victory and join forces against the other factions, instead of trying to defeat each other.
I haven't quite figured out how to do that yet. One idea is to make sure the popular vote jails someone from the church, and the Cardinal jails someone from the Aristocracy. That way neither faction will gain control. It would also be good if we could devise some sort of system for using the kill/inprisonment items in the same fashion, to reduce the numbers of both factions accordingly.
If you hoity-toity aristocrats don't agree, however, I'm sure we can presuade all of the clergy to use their kill/jail items tonight so that tomorrow we can hold the popular vote above your decimated court's head.
According to the OP, the win conditions, other than those unknown groups that may exist, are to eliminate the rivals. So there's not turbulence between the clergy and aristocrats other than some good old fashioned roleplaying fun.
The only thing that comes to mind, if you think Bliss would do this, is whether or not he'd distribute the bad guys evenly between the two groups or not.
Anyway, to robot bear boy. If the church is overly aggressive in attacking the aristocracy, that will inevitably lead to the chancellor simply using all of his abilities on pardons to attempt to rebalance the power instead of the more useful alternative of torture, as well as a massive waste of items from both sides. We don't necessarily need to overly concern ourselves with keeping a strict balance, but we also don't need the church to be a retard party.
The Church did NOT start this unholy war. Ardor, your Aristocrat brother, started this, with my ousting!
The result of the seering by the Chancellor and the Cardinal, is it available to all members of his respective group, or only the people in those roles at that moment will know?
Well whether or not our enemies are distributed evenly, their win condition is almost certainly either to kill one or both of our factions. They certainly exist in both factions in some measure even if it's not equal. Probably the best way to ensure they do not win is to make sure that neither of our factions gets overpowered and destroyed.
We need the aristocracy because it's dangerous to just leave the bad guys in prison, we need them killed. You need us because without the church, you are all down a "kill" from our Cardinal.
There may or may not be friction between our factions, but you can bet the bad guys want there to be so they can divide and conquer.
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Anyway, to robot bear boy. If the church is overly aggressive in attacking the aristocracy, that will inevitably lead to the chancellor simply using all of his abilities on pardons to attempt to rebalance the power instead of the more useful alternative of torture, as well as a massive waste of items from both sides. We don't necessarily need to overly concern ourselves with keeping a strict balance, but we also don't need the church to be a retard party.
The Church did NOT start this unholy war. Ardor, your Aristocrat brother, started this, with my ousting!
Hey now, one of my win conditions is to remove you from the face of the planet. That's part of the Ardor win condition for this game, created by me during the sign up thread.
The result of the seering by the Chancellor and the Cardinal, is it available to all members of his respective group, or only the people in those roles at that moment will know?
The order to use the ability is made publicly, but the results are sent to the player via PM.
If the Chancellor or Cardinal is killed on the same night he conducts a seering, the results of the interrogation will be saved for the next player elected to that position.
The order to use the ability is made publicly, but the results are sent to the player via PM.
If the Chancellor or Cardinal is killed on the same night he conducts a seering, the results of the interrogation will be saved for the next player elected to that position.
LOL, so that means if a bad guy gets voted to become either of the two, he can basically give us bad information...
LOL, so that means if a bad guy gets voted to become either of the two, he can basically give us bad information...
I think what you should be MORE concerned about is that, if you elect a bad guy to be Chancellor, he's going to start letting people out of prison...
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I am a vigilante; I will not announce my role name (that is for the seer to tell ME tomorrow to prove their identity).
I can make a nightly kill.
I will use my judgement tonight (33% failure rate - ask Bogey) to select someone to be slaughtered and will announce the name immediately after vote close but before narration post tomorrow.
Per all previous phallas, this will prove my identity as a "good guy" and we can get this party started.
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1) I request the use of a Guardian tonight.
2) I request to be a seer target tonight.
3) Should I die by duel, my role will be revealed and you should kill that person.
4) There are WAY too many rules in this Phalla that it's giving me a headache calculating the probabilities; therefore I've come out.
That's all I've got. Hope you make good decisions today.
I think what you should be MORE concerned about is that, if you elect a bad guy to be Chancellor, he's going to start letting people out of prison...
That's not necessarily a bad thing, unless the prisoner is his comerade. Letting innocent people back into the population is good. We can't control death by items and bad guys, so the only way for us to actually execute someone, is either for the Chancellor to do it, or let him rot in the jail for over 3 days. Personally, I think any Chancellor eager to execute without 100% evidence/people to back him up, is most suspicious.
My biggest worries is that prison does not stop the lies and deceit from the revolution or the Bohemians once they are locked up. Should they retain some clout in their cell, it may cloud all of our judgments.
Ugh, that means if we wanted to jail someone, seer them for alignment and then release them it would take at least 3 rounds with just the Cardinal and Chancellor working together.
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Ardor has never done anything but work for the glory of France. I say we burn this overzealous, bible-touting traitor that would lead us down the path to Hell.
Please do what I did so we can have an allied victory over the insurgency;
work together for the common goal.
Clergy vig, don't out yourself. Have myself or someone else act as your proxy. It's still dangerous, but at least then you only have to trust one person instead of several/the entire group.
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Yeah, I really don't see the idiocy of dividing the groups here.
OTHER VIGILANTE
If you use a proxy, you have to trust that the proxy isn't LYING.
Of course, if you come out in the open and tell EVERYONE who you are, you are A) trusting that SQUASHUA isn't lying about being a vigilante, and trusting that our guardian will be willing to guard you for the rest of the game.
Which is really a bad plan anyway, because since people are likely to try to kill off the chancellor and cardinal as soon as they get elected, our guardian would be better used preventing that inevitable vig attempt.
Does that make sense?
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I, for one fear we have become too heated. I believe it is our detractors who are instigating a conflict that is not even present so that they will not be noticed. We should all take a moment and not let this escalate. As you have currently set it up, Jdarksun, any revolutionary or bohemian could murder you tonight, claim it was Squashua and then incite a war between us. Let us not forget who our real enemies are.
From a non-roleplay standpoint, I'm simply working with the proven Vigilante Identification Mechanic here and doing what I can.
Good example would be Tossrock in the Harry Potter Phalla.
Ok, granted I am new, but what says that you are not a vanilla traitor sacrificing yourself to kill off one of the good guy vigs early in the game? I find that a little more likely than that you are willingly creating two high-profile targets on your team as opposed to the one you would normally have.
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Yeah, so I'm in Montreal until Tuesday, which means I'm not going to be very active until then. I'm going to be out of my hotel room most of the time, and when I am back I'm sharing the laptop with my brother. So, I won't be able to keep spreadsheets or anything like that, although I should be active later at night.
Since the Church seems to be demanding the death of heretics, I'm going to place a vote for Ardor. Sorry, pal.
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Anyway, to robot bear boy. If the church is overly aggressive in attacking the aristocracy, that will inevitably lead to the chancellor simply using all of his abilities on pardons to attempt to rebalance the power instead of the more useful alternative of torture, as well as a massive waste of items from both sides. We don't necessarily need to overly concern ourselves with keeping a strict balance, but we also don't need the church to be a retard party.
...wait, wrong thread.
Ummmm....burn the heretics and such!
According to the OP, the win conditions, other than those unknown groups that may exist, are to eliminate the rivals. So there's not turbulence between the clergy and aristocrats other than some good old fashioned roleplaying fun.
The only thing that comes to mind, if you think Bliss would do this, is whether or not he'd distribute the bad guys evenly between the two groups or not.
The Church did NOT start this unholy war. Ardor, your Aristocrat brother, started this, with my ousting!
The result of the seering by the Chancellor and the Cardinal, is it available to all members of his respective group, or only the people in those roles at that moment will know?
Well whether or not our enemies are distributed evenly, their win condition is almost certainly either to kill one or both of our factions. They certainly exist in both factions in some measure even if it's not equal. Probably the best way to ensure they do not win is to make sure that neither of our factions gets overpowered and destroyed.
We need the aristocracy because it's dangerous to just leave the bad guys in prison, we need them killed. You need us because without the church, you are all down a "kill" from our Cardinal.
There may or may not be friction between our factions, but you can bet the bad guys want there to be so they can divide and conquer.
Hey now, one of my win conditions is to remove you from the face of the planet. That's part of the Ardor win condition for this game, created by me during the sign up thread.
The order to use the ability is made publicly, but the results are sent to the player via PM.
If the Chancellor or Cardinal is killed on the same night he conducts a seering, the results of the interrogation will be saved for the next player elected to that position.
LOL, so that means if a bad guy gets voted to become either of the two, he can basically give us bad information...
Sorry, I have to run
Damn this is confusing
And you guys are posting so damn fast :x
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I think what you should be MORE concerned about is that, if you elect a bad guy to be Chancellor, he's going to start letting people out of prison...
You should try an SE++ Phalla
[size=+1]Aristocrats and Clergy[/size]
I am a vigilante; I will not announce my role name (that is for the seer to tell ME tomorrow to prove their identity).
I can make a nightly kill.
I will use my judgement tonight (33% failure rate - ask Bogey) to select someone to be slaughtered and will announce the name immediately after vote close but before narration post tomorrow.
Per all previous phallas, this will prove my identity as a "good guy" and we can get this party started.
- - - -
1) I request the use of a Guardian tonight.
2) I request to be a seer target tonight.
3) Should I die by duel, my role will be revealed and you should kill that person.
4) There are WAY too many rules in this Phalla that it's giving me a headache calculating the probabilities; therefore I've come out.
That's all I've got. Hope you make good decisions today.
That's not necessarily a bad thing, unless the prisoner is his comerade. Letting innocent people back into the population is good. We can't control death by items and bad guys, so the only way for us to actually execute someone, is either for the Chancellor to do it, or let him rot in the jail for over 3 days. Personally, I think any Chancellor eager to execute without 100% evidence/people to back him up, is most suspicious.
I better see lots of votes for me when I get back. Otherwise I'll be very disappointed.
So is there a reason why more vigilantes can't come out and gather their troops for their side?
There are several win conditions here, which one are you aiming for?
Besides, better me than a good guy special on my team going to jail. There's that sense of sacrifice.
Can you both seer and send someone to jail, or only one or the other?
The Chancellor and the Cardinal can only use one of their abilities each night.
Please do what I did so we can have an allied victory over the insurgency;
work together for the common goal.
!Burn precisionk in the cleansing fire of God
I didn't grudge you in Firefly (though I almost did); don't give me a reason here.
Since you were so kind as to hand us an advantage, why would you think that we would be so foolish as to return it?
Clergy vig, don't out yourself. Have myself or someone else act as your proxy. It's still dangerous, but at least then you only have to trust one person instead of several/the entire group.
My emperor! I have another chance to prove myself to you! Blessed be God for giving me this chance!
To prison with Ardor! I must protect the Emperor!
[EDIT] Geez, come out from a meeting and suddenly I've joined the church. And my oh my, that certainly is a healthy set of rules, ain't it?
J'accuse Ardor
OTHER VIGILANTE
If you use a proxy, you have to trust that the proxy isn't LYING.
Of course, if you come out in the open and tell EVERYONE who you are, you are A) trusting that SQUASHUA isn't lying about being a vigilante, and
Which is really a bad plan anyway, because since people are likely to try to kill off the chancellor and cardinal as soon as they get elected, our guardian would be better used preventing that inevitable vig attempt.
Does that make sense?
Good example would be Tossrock in the Harry Potter Phalla.
!vote Jester313
Ok, granted I am new, but what says that you are not a vanilla traitor sacrificing yourself to kill off one of the good guy vigs early in the game? I find that a little more likely than that you are willingly creating two high-profile targets on your team as opposed to the one you would normally have.
Since the Church seems to be demanding the death of heretics, I'm going to place a vote for Ardor. Sorry, pal.