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Democratic Debates: Round 9

ElkiElki get busyModerator, ClubPA Mod Emeritus
edited August 2007 in Debate and/or Discourse
Yes, round 9, we skipped a few.


Location: Des Moines, Iowa

Network: ABC

Time: 9:30 AM (Fuck me, right?)

Candidates:

Joe Biden
Hillary Clinton
Chris Dodd
John Edwards
Mike Gravel
Dennis Kucinich
Barack Obama
Bill Richardson


Moderator: George Stephanopoulos

Webstream: No idea


Try to keep this on-topic.

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  • fjafjanfjafjan Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    so will this be watchable for the ones without american televisions?

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  • GoslingGosling Looking Up Soccer In Mongolia Right Now, Probably Watertown, WIRegistered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Wait, what the hell? There's a debate this morning? WHO SCHEDULES THESE THINGS?

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  • ShintoShinto __BANNED USERS regular
    edited August 2007
    Thanks for making the thread, I had no idea this was happening.

    So many fucking debates. I wish they had chosen one topic for each debate and gotten into more depth on issues.

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  • ShintoShinto __BANNED USERS regular
    edited August 2007
    Edit: Ah, it's tommorrow.

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  • MKRMKR Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    So was it today or is it tomorrow?

    Is it likely to be a real debate, or an hour of 30 second sound bites like the other debates?

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  • HeartlashHeartlash Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    It's impossible to have a real debate between 8 people on a broadcast schedule. It'll probably be another Q&A session akin to its predicessors.

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  • stiliststilist Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Shinto wrote: »
    Thanks for making the thread, I had no idea this was happening.

    So many fucking debates. I wish they had chosen one topic for each debate and gotten into more depth on issues.
    I concur with Mr Shinto on both points.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    "Who here doesn't believe that the Earth revolves around the sun?"

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  • stiliststilist Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Faggot 2 wrote: »
    "Who here doesn't believe that the Earth revolves around the sun?"
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  • MKRMKR Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Well everyone knows the earth revolves around a naked greek man standing on an endless stack of giant turtles.

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  • Target PracticeTarget Practice Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    How is it we can have so many debates and still learn nothing of value about the candidates?

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  • MKRMKR Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Target Practice wrote: »
    How is it we can have so many debates and still learn nothing of value about the candidates?

    I've learned that democrats tend to be more concise in their BS, while republicans tend to use more anecdotes and allegories.

    I think I'm going to do a real study to see which side really spends more time telling stories when asked a question. At some point.

    Right after I finish this...


    :zzz:

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  • ShintoShinto __BANNED USERS regular
    edited August 2007
    Target Practice wrote: »
    How is it we can have so many debates and still learn nothing of value about the candidates?

    You haven't learned anything of value about the candidates from the debates?

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  • Target PracticeTarget Practice Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Shinto wrote: »
    Target Practice wrote: »
    How is it we can have so many debates and still learn nothing of value about the candidates?

    You haven't learned anything of value about the candidates from the debates?

    I'd say I learned that they can spend a long time saying a whole lot of nothing, but I knew that already.

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  • ElkiElki get busy Moderator, ClubPA Mod Emeritus
    edited August 2007
    Shit, I forgot to put the 'Sunday' part in there. Sorry. I'm sure none of you actually woke up early for this, because I made it pretty late. :P

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  • MKRMKR Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    I'm looking at 9:30AM, and I see the second half of "Channel 2 Action News."

    What time zone is that for?

    Edit: Looks like it's 11am here.

    Edit2: By here, I mean EST.

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  • ElkiElki get busy Moderator, ClubPA Mod Emeritus
    edited August 2007
    It'll be running during "This Week."

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  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Are these debates becoming overkill or is it just my imagination?

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  • GoslingGosling Looking Up Soccer In Mongolia Right Now, Probably Watertown, WIRegistered User regular
    edited August 2007
    nexuscrawler wrote: »
    Are these debates becoming overkill or is it just my imagination?
    I actually have always felt that there is no such thing as too many debates.

    My philosophy is certainly being tested this election season.

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  • deowolfdeowolf is allowed to do that. Traffic.Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    So, Sunday morning then? Are they live on the left coast?

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  • SentrySentry Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    I've found the democractic debates to be pretty boring and predictable. No one has come out with any surprises...

    Frankly, I wish the Republicans would do a YouTube debate... I would wear out my TIVO watching that one.

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  • KaputaKaputa Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Sentry wrote: »
    I've found the democractic debates to be pretty boring and predictable. No one has come out with any surprises...

    Frankly, I wish the Republicans would do a YouTube debate... I would wear out my TIVO watching that one.
    They're doing one in september

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  • Loren MichaelLoren Michael Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Is there a substantive difference in the YouTube format, other than the fact that the questions were pre-recorded and the followups were occasionally retarded?

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  • ShintoShinto __BANNED USERS regular
    edited August 2007
    The questions got the candidates off script more. It was a lot more fun to watch.

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  • Loren MichaelLoren Michael Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Can't you just have funky questions by loosening the controls put on town hall style debates?

    I mean, I can see it as being more fun to watch, I guess, and slapping on a YouTube label probably gave it a better reception by the young crowd, but...

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  • fjafjanfjafjan Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    I think the real question is when will it be a DEBATE rather than nine people awnsering questions for the audience? Because a debate would be interesting, especially if it was in depth on specific issues rather than "hey let's discuss foreign policy for two minutes again!"

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  • GoslingGosling Looking Up Soccer In Mongolia Right Now, Probably Watertown, WIRegistered User regular
    edited August 2007
    DEBATE NOW NOW QUICK TURN ON ABC AIEEEEEEEEEE

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  • GoslingGosling Looking Up Soccer In Mongolia Right Now, Probably Watertown, WIRegistered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Steph: Dodd, is Obama ready to be President?
    Dodd: Now how the fuck do you think I'm going to answer that, you dolt?

    Dodd doesn't say it like that, but really now.

    EDIT: HAY BIDEN IS OBAMA RADY
    HAY RICHARDSEN IS OBAMA RADY
    HAY OBAMA IS OBAMA RADY

    Steph, you're a tool.

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  • GoslingGosling Looking Up Soccer In Mongolia Right Now, Probably Watertown, WIRegistered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Steph: So, Hillary, you said no option's off the table with Iran. Here is a clip of you saying in 2006 that nukes are off the table with al Qaeda. Explain the difference.
    Hillary: Well, you need to put things into context...
    Obama: What context? There's no difference.
    Edwards: We have a clear path for America. Let's work with Europe on things. Now about Pakistan--
    Me: WHO THE HELL'S TALKING ABOUT PAKISTAN?!
    Edwards: I think Obama is entitled to express his view.

    (Translation: 'I think Obama is entitled to express his view' = 'I think Obama is full of shit.')

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  • MKRMKR Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    I see Channel 2 Action News, and apparently Grady (a hospital in Atlanta) is dooooooooooooomed.

    Looks like it's still on for 11 on the east coast.

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  • GoslingGosling Looking Up Soccer In Mongolia Right Now, Probably Watertown, WIRegistered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Hi, Gravel. Accuses Bush of cooking the books on Iran. Do not invade them under any circumstances, because what have they done to us? Uses the actual word 'neocons'.

    Richardson: Wouldn't use nukes first, but wouldn't take them off the table.

    So let's play a clip of Rove attacking Hillary and show clippings of Hillary's negatives dragging down the party. DANCE! DANCE FOR YOUR MEDIA OVERLORDS! ATTACK, MY PRETTIES, ATTACK!
    Obama doesn't take the bait, instead goes for the 'let's bring the country together' tactic. Steph tries to make him attack Hillary. Obama won't even refer to her by name.

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  • GoslingGosling Looking Up Soccer In Mongolia Right Now, Probably Watertown, WIRegistered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Edwards won't name Hillary either. Steph won't stop with trying to bait people, he's not getting any fish whatsoever.
    Hillary, will you attack Hillary? SHUT THE FUCK UP, STEPH.

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  • GoslingGosling Looking Up Soccer In Mongolia Right Now, Probably Watertown, WIRegistered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Hillary goes into a stump speech. Steph makes shit up by going 'But what about what Edwards said about you?'

    Edwards into a stump speech. Steph has lost control of this debate. And now Dodd is running him ragged.

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  • MKRMKR Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Hey man spoiler that stuff. You're ruining the plot.

    I wonder if someone dies at the end.

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  • GoslingGosling Looking Up Soccer In Mongolia Right Now, Probably Watertown, WIRegistered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Kucinich, speak about lobbyists.

    Kucinich: No. I will speak about healthcare.

    Shot of Elizabeth Kucinich.

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  • GoslingGosling Looking Up Soccer In Mongolia Right Now, Probably Watertown, WIRegistered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Richardson's plan for Iraq: "In order to end the war, we need to get all the troops out." Says no diplomacy can begin until then.

    Biden: Who says the war would even end then?

    They debate the timeline to actually get everyone out. Biden claims his year timeline. Richardson counters with 6-8 months. Hillary? Avoids stating a timeline.

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  • GoslingGosling Looking Up Soccer In Mongolia Right Now, Probably Watertown, WIRegistered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Steph: So, Hillary, is Richardson wrong when he says all troops can be out by the end of the year?

    RICHARDSON DID NOT SAY THAT, YOU DICKSMACK. STOP MAKING SHIT UP.

    Gravel takes the topic kicking and screaming back to Iran.

    HAY EDWARDS RICHARSEN SAYS THEY KAN BE OUT BY DECEMBER I'M A FUKKING MORON

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  • GoslingGosling Looking Up Soccer In Mongolia Right Now, Probably Watertown, WIRegistered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Richardson calls Biden's three-state solution a good idea, presses talks. Asks the point of a residual force. Biden says that a residual would basically just be there as a middleman to keep the various Iraqi groups from splintering. (Personally I think it's too late for that, but okay.)

    HAY BIDEN RICHARDEN SAS IF THEY NOT OOT BY DESEMBER THE CONFLIKT WILL CONTINUE

    Steph is using information that he heard wrong to base an entire line of questioning. The questions are all moot, the answers almost don't matter.

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  • GoslingGosling Looking Up Soccer In Mongolia Right Now, Probably Watertown, WIRegistered User regular
    edited August 2007
    I think we're now onto when we can start withdrawing troops, and it's all 'I'll have them out fast!' 'I'll start on inauguration day!' 'I'll start BEFORE that!' 'Check under your seats. They're already home!' 'YOU GET A TROOP, AND YOU GET A TROOP, EVERYBODY GETS A TROOP!'

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  • GoslingGosling Looking Up Soccer In Mongolia Right Now, Probably Watertown, WIRegistered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Steph is onto an e-mail from Utah that goes basically 'If God is just, explain Katrina and the bridge collapse. Will prayer stop them from happening?'

    Nobody knows what the fuck to do. Even Gravel is caught off-guard.

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