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As a "young gamer" what did YOU think of "other" systems?
As a young gamer, I think I really pissed in the cheerios of anyone who had a Sega anything. Sega did not have the kind of games that I liked, and coupled with their advertising over the years (at least from my perspective) made me believe Sega was the asshole of videogames. This was only strengthened when I wrote to Nintendo about having trouble beating Dragon Warrior, and in response, they sent me manuals and maps and all sorts of goodies. Nintendo Power was an awesome little magazine.
I was a strange breed in the late 80s-early 90s in that I actually loved the shit out of Square and Enix. I would brag about the Nintendo consoles having Final Fantasy and Dragon Warrior when the only thing most kids cared about was Street Fighter.
I think the first Sega console that we owned was the Sega Gamegear. Immediately, my brother shit on me for still using the ole brick that was the original Gameboy (a brick with the Legend games and FFA!). Although a mountain of batteries later, and a lack of a game library beyond sports games (I think there was like two RPG-esque games for the Gamegear, and I never saw them in any store) the system left us both boiling. We later got a hold of a Sega Genesis and played the shit out of Uncharted Waters... which always managed to erase the save file every other day. The SNES copy I later bought did not have this problem. Every dealing I had with a Sega product always seemed to go badly.
I was in elementary school during the SNES/Genesis wars, and while there was a lot of ribbing about stuff like the Mortal Kombat debacle and junk like the Sega CD, all of my friends and I thought both consoles were great. A few of us (like myself) were Genesis kids and a few owned the SNES, so among us we got to at least sample most of the big games for both consoles. I know that it was always a treat to go to somebody's house and play Pilotwings or Super Star Wars, and I always had people who wanted to try out Sonic and X-Men.
I remember starting at a new school in '95; when I got a PSX soon after launch, nobody even knew what it was. It's hard to fathom how mainstream gaming has gotten since the 16-bit days.
I remember getting a Gensis because all my other friends had SNES. It wasn't a battle between the consoles, we just wanted a different system to play so we were able take advantage of both libraries.
I was always about 2 years behind the launches of any of the new systems. That made it easy to balance out the different systems with each other. Everyone else had an N64 so I went for the Playstation. Looking back that was the only system that all of us agreed on. Between FFVII being passed around the dorm rooms, NHL 98 causing us to miss multiple classes and Devil Dice(MAn, did anybody else ever play that?) we got a ton of use out of that thing.
Once MS launched XBox live we all flipped over to that because it was just the easiest way to play online with your buddies. I think the main reason most of us own XBoxes is beacuse of Live.
I remember getting a Gensis because all my other friends had SNES. It wasn't a battle between the consoles, we just wanted a different system to play so we were able take advantage of both libraries.
I was always about 2 years behind the launches of any of the new systems. That made it easy to balance out the different systems with each other. Everyone else had an N64 so I went for the Playstation. Looking back that was the only system that all of us agreed on. Between FFVII being passed around the dorm rooms, NHL 98 causing us to miss multiple classes and Devil Dice(MAn, did anybody else ever play that?) we got a ton of use out of that thing.
Once MS launched XBox live we all flipped over to that because it was just the easiest way to play online with your buddies. I think the main reason most of us own XBoxes is beacuse of Live.
I played the shit out of devil dice.
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edited August 2007
I had an nes, and then a snes and genesis... I didn't come into any sort of fanboyism until I got an n64 and got online (!) and saw all the defenses for both the n64 and ps1. lucky for me, instead of picking a side, I decided both sides were right and got me a ps1. been the same ever since.
I think fanboyism only exist for kids and poor motherfuckers.....kinda like religion.
Oh yeah I went there.
As a kid I was all about NES but when SNES came out I was aware of other systems and that the best thing is to have them all and not stick with one thing. My house now...everything or at least backwards compatiple.
I just want to mention that I own three super nintendos because EB was selling them for $8 a piece and I couldn't resist cleaning out their stock.
I even said "You guys are idiots" (jokingly) when I bought them.
This should guarantee that if I ever breed, my kid will get the right start.
The only thing that made me jealous of not having a Genesis was Sonic. I loved the old Sonic games and I still do. But besides that, I could have cared less about the other games on the system. The Super Nintendo won out because of the awesomeness of Mario and Starfox.
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edited August 2007
I, like a vast majority of others began my gaming "career" with the NES. My parents bought me one when I was about 4 or 5 years old, and for the longest time, the only game I owned was the original pack-in Super Mario Bros./Duck Hunt. I played my NES until well into the next gen's lifecycle.
I got my Genesis sometime in late '92/early '93, and my Super Nintendo for my 10th birthday, in April of 1994. Those held me over wonderfully until my 13th birthday in 1997. Sega was desperate to sell Saturns at that time, and were thus offering a deal where if you bought a Saturn, you got 3 games for free. It seemed like the smartest decision to me, so that's the one I got.
A few months later, I realized the err of my ways, and sold my Saturn to a friend. With the money I got for it, I went straight to Wal-Mart and bought a PlayStation. Of everything I'd done in my life that would qualify as a decision, this was easily the best I'd ever made. I don't need to explain to you guys just how prominent and iconic the PS was, and this was the first time in my life that I actually felt like I could honestly call myself a true "gamer." FFVII, MGS, Resident Evil...oh my GOD, Resident Evil. My friends and I got SO MUCH USE out of that game. We used to take turns in blocks of a few hours of play, or a death. When someone died, the turn would be passed to the next person. If they went their three hours without dying, they had to save and give up the controller. When one of us was playing, the others would simply sit and watch because the game was just that fucking entertaining. "LOOK OUT THERE'S A HUNTER COMING UP ON YOUR ASS HOLY FUCK TURN AROUND SHOOT SHOOT SHOO--shit, you died. Oh well, my turn! ^_^"
PlayStation was the only console I owned for a while, until around...Christmas 2000. Wow, I never actually stopped to think about that. PS kept me company all by itself for the better part of 3 1/2 years. Anyhoo, at Christmas '00, I got both N64 and Dreamcast, both of which I busted a nut for at the time. N64 did absolutely wonderful by me, but I cannot say the same for our beloved although ill-fated Dreamcast. I got rid of the DC sometime in late 2001, and kept my N64 until Early 2002.
I managed to get my hands on a PS2 in the first part of 2001, and it blew me away, to be honest. The graphics looked incredible for the time. 2001 was spent bouncing between PS2 and N64. When Xbox and 'Cube dropped in November, being the whore that I am, I wanted them both. I picked up an Xbox in early 2002, and was again blown away. Halo 1 was one of the coolest things I'd ever seen at the time.
I graduated high school in June of '02, and bounced between residences for the remainder of the year. In early '03, I managed to get my hands on a platinum GameCube, and played that for a while before getting tired of it due to...no fucking games. I got rid of the 'Cube in late '04, and just stuck with PS2 and Xbox for a while.
2005 was a period of transition for me as far as consoles go. I noticed that I wasn't playing my PS2 at all, and my Xbox was getting all the attention. Also, with 360 dropping at the end of the year, Microsoft seemed to be pulling the rug out from under Sony's feet.
So, December '05 came and I managed to snag a Premium 360 at Best Buy exactly one month after launch, on December 22nd. Shortly thereafter, I sold my PS2 and it's been nothing but 360 ever since. I did buy a PS3 in April of this year, but I recently sold that and put the money towards some must-have pre-orders for the second half of 2007.
I was never *huge* into handhelds, but there's something to be said for the original GameBoy. Yeah, I had one when they were new, and I loved it thanks in whole to Zelda: Link's Awakening. That game is pretty much the only handheld game that I've ever played for that long.
Basically, for me the only "other" systems were the ones that nobody owned anyway, so it was never a big deal.
I forgot to mention that I was an avid PC gamer from '96 to about 2005ish.
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edited August 2007
Shit, and I forgot to even include PC gaming in my timeline. I didn't get my first Windows-based PC until late 2000. Fortunately, it was right in time for Diablo II.
I wasn't too much of a fanboy during SNES and Genesis era, although I was more of a SNES gamer because SNES had more RPGs than Genesis during the time.
My love of RPG bolstered by SNES' RPGs during that time made me really idolize the Nintendo system.
I think my love of Nintendo systems became the catalyst of how much I hated Nintendo after N64 came out.
I was really hyped by N64 before it came out, but after it came out and realizing that the games I loved on SNES weren't going to N64, I really hated Nintendo for that.
There is a really fine line between love and hate.
After PS1, I never looked back to any other system besides PS2. I finally bought a gamecube to play the great Nintendo games after Gamecube's death last year and I've never bothered with Xbox nor Dreamcast.
For this generation, I'm quite happy with the Wii since I might get the chance to play the games I've played on my PS2. I was worried that I'd have to bow out from gaming with the way games were going to go with Xbox360 and PS3.
While most of my time is still spent on my PS2, the only next-gen system that I feel worth owning right now is the Wii.
I'm fine with not getting any Xbox360 or PS3 games until the end of this generation or at least until Xbox360 is more trustworthy.
I wasn't too much of a fanboy during SNES and Genesis era, although I was more of a SNES gamer because SNES had more RPGs than Genesis during the time.
My love of RPG bolstered by SNES' RPGs during that time made me really idolize the Nintendo system.
I think my love of Nintendo systems became the catalyst of how much I hated Nintendo after N64 came out.
I was really hyped by N64 before it came out, but after it came out and realizing that the games I loved on SNES weren't going to N64, I really hated Nintendo for that.
There is a really fine line between love and hate.
After PS1, I never looked back to any other system besides PS2. I finally bought a gamecube to play the great Nintendo games after Gamecube's death last year and I've never bothered with Xbox nor Dreamcast.
For this generation, I'm quite happy with the Wii since I might get the chance to play the games I've played on my PS2. I was worried that I'd have to bow out from gaming with the way games were going to go with Xbox360 and PS3.
While most of my time is still spent on my PS2, the only next-gen system that I feel worth owning right now is the Wii.
I'm fine with not getting any Xbox360 or PS3 games until the end of this generation or at least until Xbox360 is more trustworthy.
I don't consider myself a fanboy of anything, but jesus, your logic regarding the 360 is flawed. You've got the right idea staying away from PS3, and I'm sure Wii is a blast, but 360 actually has...a game library. A *huge* game library full of must-haves. Doesn't that seem enticing to you at all? I swear I'm not trying to be a dick, I've just been rendered curious in a way that I can't even put words to.
I wasn't too much of a fanboy during SNES and Genesis era, although I was more of a SNES gamer because SNES had more RPGs than Genesis during the time.
My love of RPG bolstered by SNES' RPGs during that time made me really idolize the Nintendo system.
I think my love of Nintendo systems became the catalyst of how much I hated Nintendo after N64 came out.
I was really hyped by N64 before it came out, but after it came out and realizing that the games I loved on SNES weren't going to N64, I really hated Nintendo for that.
There is a really fine line between love and hate.
After PS1, I never looked back to any other system besides PS2. I finally bought a gamecube to play the great Nintendo games after Gamecube's death last year and I've never bothered with Xbox nor Dreamcast.
For this generation, I'm quite happy with the Wii since I might get the chance to play the games I've played on my PS2. I was worried that I'd have to bow out from gaming with the way games were going to go with Xbox360 and PS3.
While most of my time is still spent on my PS2, the only next-gen system that I feel worth owning right now is the Wii.
I'm fine with not getting any Xbox360 or PS3 games until the end of this generation or at least until Xbox360 is more trustworthy.
I don't consider myself a fanboy of anything, but jesus, your logic regarding the 360 is flawed. You've got the right idea staying away from PS3, and I'm sure Wii is a blast, but 360 actually has...a game library. A *huge* game library full of must-haves. Doesn't that seem enticing to you at all? I swear I'm not trying to be a dick, I've just been rendered curious in a way that I can't even put words to.
The 360 is so bad that it's better to bow out of gaming completely than consider it!
edit: t-Slash - I think there was a golden age where things were easiest and it's just ending. It was hell before and it sounds like hell now, but my perspective on it is pre 2005 followed by message board stories.
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I wasn't too much of a fanboy during SNES and Genesis era, although I was more of a SNES gamer because SNES had more RPGs than Genesis during the time.
My love of RPG bolstered by SNES' RPGs during that time made me really idolize the Nintendo system.
I think my love of Nintendo systems became the catalyst of how much I hated Nintendo after N64 came out.
I was really hyped by N64 before it came out, but after it came out and realizing that the games I loved on SNES weren't going to N64, I really hated Nintendo for that.
There is a really fine line between love and hate.
After PS1, I never looked back to any other system besides PS2. I finally bought a gamecube to play the great Nintendo games after Gamecube's death last year and I've never bothered with Xbox nor Dreamcast.
For this generation, I'm quite happy with the Wii since I might get the chance to play the games I've played on my PS2. I was worried that I'd have to bow out from gaming with the way games were going to go with Xbox360 and PS3.
While most of my time is still spent on my PS2, the only next-gen system that I feel worth owning right now is the Wii.
I'm fine with not getting any Xbox360 or PS3 games until the end of this generation or at least until Xbox360 is more trustworthy.
I don't consider myself a fanboy of anything, but jesus, your logic regarding the 360 is flawed. You've got the right idea staying away from PS3, and I'm sure Wii is a blast, but 360 actually has...a game library. A *huge* game library full of must-haves. Doesn't that seem enticing to you at all? I swear I'm not trying to be a dick, I've just been rendered curious in a way that I can't even put words to.
The 360 is so bad that it's better to bow out of gaming completely than consider it!
Your logic regarding the 360 is flawed. You've got the right idea staying away from PS3, and I'm sure Wii is a blast, but 360 actually has...a game library. A *huge* game library full of must-haves. Doesn't that seem enticing to you at all? I swear I'm not trying to be a dick, I've just been rendered curious in a way that I can't even put words to.
Well, I can understand his apprehension considering the hardware failure rate.
The hardware failure rate is the only thing preventing me from getting a 360 right now. Well, that and funds/time.
I feel like there was a time in PC gaming where you could get by with your hardware a lot more easily than you can now.... but maybe I'm mistaken.
I don't know man. Shit is definitely a lot more catered towards the disposable-income elitist nowadays, but hardware that could be considered "outdated" is still able to run the newest games adequately. Shit, up until a few months ago, I was still playing new games on my Radeon 9800SE (which is now in a friend's computer and still running strong, btw).
Your logic regarding the 360 is flawed. You've got the right idea staying away from PS3, and I'm sure Wii is a blast, but 360 actually has...a game library. A *huge* game library full of must-haves. Doesn't that seem enticing to you at all? I swear I'm not trying to be a dick, I've just been rendered curious in a way that I can't even put words to.
Well, I can understand his apprehension considering the hardware failure rate.
The hardware failure rate is the only thing preventing me from getting a 360 right now. Well, that and funds/time.
I get that, but Microsoft has basically bent over backwards to fix that, haven't they? With the universal warranty and such.
When I first started gaming the Atari 2600 was new and dominant. Intellivision was a less popular option. That was pretty much it for consoles, at least the ones I can remember. On the computer side there was the Atari 400 and the Atari 800 along with the Apple II family, and the Texas Instruments TI family of computers.
I never had an Atari 2600, I had an Atari 400 and an Apple II+. The graphics of the Atari 400 _killed_ the 2600. Pac Man looked reasonably similar to the arcade version. Missile Command looked awesome, too. On the Apple side I had games like Zaxxon, Wizardry!, etc. I also had some Infocom text based adventure games such as Zork, Wishbringer, and Hacker. I was happy with these for a long time and never really paid much attention to console gaming. When I'd visit my aunt and uncle's house I'd play my cousin in football and RealSports Baseball on his Atari 5200, and it was a big improvement over the 2600 to my eyes. Then the big video game market crash hit, and I didn't game much until...
the arrival of the NES. The NES changed everything. By 1986 we still had the same Apple II+ and it was showing its age. All my friends had PCs (Tandy 1000), Apple IIgs, or Macs. My parents got me a NES for Christmas (i'd originally asked for an Atari 7800) and that was it, I completely forgot about PC gaming for the longest time. No other system mattered to my greedy little eyes, the NES was amazing. I must have bought 50 games and rented hundreds more over the years I had it. The Sega Master System didn't interest me at all, except for Phantasy Star. I played Space Harrier and some of the other games and they didn't control very well. I ignored the SMS.
Then I guess around 1990 is when the Turbografx 16 hit (I read about it in the first ever issue of EGM, I wish I still had my copy) and the Genesis was also on the horizon. I was blown away by the TG16, but it was a lot of $$. The Gameboy didn't really do a lot for me, I was getting interested in PC games again once I saw Wing Commander on a friend's 286. I got a Genesis in 1990, right when it launched. Altered Beast freaked me out and my NES, after its many loyal years of service, was disregarded. I forgot about the TG16 and was pretty uninterested in the Super Famicom/SNES, too. I thought the SNES was too little too late, and that Sega had all the good new titles. I'd also picked up a used SMS just so I could play Phantasy Star, and had gotten a 386 based PC so I could play Ultima, Wing Commander, King's Quest, and most importantly - so I could go online with my awesome 2400 baud modem. I had a Prodigy account (which I outgrew after a month or two) and a big list of local BBS numbers. It was also around this time that I got my first job (early 1992, I guess) and started paying for my own gaming habits. I'd seen the Lynx and Neo Geo and thought they were cool but ridiculously expensive, the Neo Geo seemed like a rich boy's toy to me.
Not long after this I'd picked up a SNES as well as traded my PC for an Amiga, and then later a Mac. I never really thought good or bad of any particular system (other than envy of the expense of the Neo Geo) and tried to find a way to experience all of them. That's still my philosophy today. I've owned a NES, SNES, SMS, Genesis, Saturn, Playstation, Dreamcast, PS2, Xbox, Xbox360, PCs, Macs, Amigas, GBAs, and a PSP. I still don't have a PS3, but once a "must have" game hits I'll be there. And I actually have the odd craving to seek out a used Neo Geo, just to experience Samurai Showdown for myself.
Something that I'll throw in is that when I was in college (1994) it was ALL about the Genesis. Because the Genesis was the god and master of sports games.
If I had to pick an all time favorite system, it would be a close battle between the NES, the Dreamcast, and the 360. The NES because it launched the revolution and helped the video game industry rise from the ashes of its collapse, and so many of my great gaming moments came when playing NES games. Dreamcast because it was WAY ahead of its time and because Shenmue changed my perception of gaming. And the 360 because it (IMHO) is the spiritual next step of what the Dreamcast set out to become.
For the record I'm 31, started gaming I guess when I was 3 or 4. My parents figured it would be more interesting to put me in front of a computer rather than a piano. I think they made a good call, though I wish I could play the piano.
I don't consider myself a fanboy of anything, but jesus, your logic regarding the 360 is flawed. You've got the right idea staying away from PS3, and I'm sure Wii is a blast, but 360 actually has...a game library. A *huge* game library full of must-haves. Doesn't that seem enticing to you at all? I swear I'm not trying to be a dick, I've just been rendered curious in a way that I can't even put words to.
I tried - I tried playing the FPS and third person shooters in 360.
Tried playing Gears of War, GRAW, and Bioshock demo. Those were the flagship titles of 360 right now.
I can't - the way the game is controlled with the thumbsticks repulsed me - similar to how I was so repulsed with the so technical gameplay of Virtua Fighter even though it was hyped as the greatest 3D fighting game.
If this was how the majority of games I'm interested in were going to be controlled in 360 and PS3, I was afraid that I'd have to bow out of console gaming forever.
It was really upsetting to see so many awesome games being hyped in the forum boards and game websites that I have little interest and lack of fun in playing.
One of the reasons I have such high hopes for the Wii is just how much more natural aiming is for RE4:Wii.
I tried playing it in Gamecube but I got turned off due to not having the patience to learn aiming with thumbsticks.
I'm having so much fun playing it in the Wii that I really have high hopes for the Wii to get me interested in playing FPS or third person shooters since I can't seem to play any of those titles with dual pad controllers.
Yeah, it's very depressing for me that I don't have the aptitude to play dual stick FPS since there were some FPS control games I really enjoyed back in PC days: Thief, Half-life and System Shock 1/2.
I tried playing GoldenEye/Black/The Suffering/Halo/Timesplitters but I never got it.
When it was a wee little one, my brothers had a NES that I sometimes attempted to play but never really did. Most of my early years were spent watching rather than playing, so I didn't particularly care during the NES/SNES/Genesis days. We got a Genesis after we gave up the NES and I sort of started playing then but I wasn't really informed about the whole console war thing.
Then, I got a PS1. This must have been when I was about 7 or 8. That hooked me, and basically my whole childhood was the PS1. I thought the N64 was pretty dumb. I played it when I was at my cousin's house sometimes but I fully believed that the PS1 was superior in every single way. I suppose this extends to the PS2 as well, because there is/was nothing that would make me want to buy any of its competition.
So basically when I was younger I thought everything was inferior to the PS brand systems, and I suppose I still do now. On a sidenote, I still have my 'ol grey PS1 and it still works. I it.
Sega was hardly a blip on the radar for me as a kid. I just didn't know anyone that had any of their systems, so it was a Nintendo market up to and including the N64 as far as I was concerned. I didn't buy a PS1 until late in the gen, and only got a handful of games for it like Xenogears, Chrono Cross, MGS and FF9.
I loved me some Samurai Shodown as a kid, and I recall seeing "Samurai Shodown RPG" on an upcoming release list, but it had the Neo Geo logo out next to it.
Oh god I loved that game... I poured many a quarter into it at the local pizza joint as a kid.
The lure of the Neo-Geo system was great indeed... but yeah, at the time it was cheaper to play the upright version, and go home and play Double Dragon when I ran out of money.
Ukio... that dude was killer.
Man, what was the name of the guy that would jump and throw his sword, which spun and turned into like a flaming disc or something? Was that Wan-Fu?
I had pretty much every major system growing up. NES, SNES, Genesis, sega CD, Saturn, psx, n64, dreamcast, ps2, gamecube, xbox...
I just worried about what games to play :P
Either you're a rich bastard or you're just so good in brown-nosing to your parents.
I've been playing with NES ever since Double Dragon came out for it but the only system I had from my parents were SNES. And that was 3 years after the SNES came out.
I think my parent's insistence in not giving me any system to play actually caused me to be addicted to gaming in the end... bugger...
I thought anything that wasn't Nintendo was poopy right until I was out of highschool.
Agreed. It was so severe for me that I don't think I played a PSX much more than for a few hours of FF7 in 98, and then never again. My first few experiences with the Deuce in college were shaky at best, and after my SNES, I didn't own another console until '03 and the XBox.
God how I hated Sega as a child (or unknown reasons) - I've still never played a Sonic game for more than five minutes.
Like I said earlier how I wasn't anything close to fanboyism until the N64 era, I didn't mention what I did after that gen. I was planning on getting an Xbox instead of a Gamecube (but ended up with a GC due to price and my money issues). After barely playing my Gamecube, I went to much more PC playing.
I'm the exact same way Arde. I tried the Bioshock demo at a friend's house the other day, and I'm sure its a great game (I'm going to dl the pc demo when I get home from work and hope it runs on my system), but I absolutely hated playing it with the dual analog sticks. I haven't played a console shooter since perfect dark because of the switch to dual analog control.
I finally received re4 for my gc and liked it, since it was single analog control, no having to move and aim at the same time, but I still felt frustrated by the limitations it put on aiming. When I bought re4 for my wii, the transcendant feeling I had was amazing, within an hour of playing I was making instant off the cuff headshots, and where I had gotten stuck at 10 5stars on the gc version of mercenaries, I 5 starred all 20 character/mission combinations in 2 2 hour sessions, most of them on the first try.
The only games of interest on the 360 that won't come out sooner or later for pc for me are dead rising and settlers of cataan, and while resident evil 5 looks cool, I don't think I could downgrade from the wii controls back to a gamepad.
Edit: No hate for the 360, I'm not a fan of sport/racing/3d fighters and, as we are discussing, I can't control dual analog shooters.
In the most recent update for the wii, I heard it now has keyboard support, and its always surprised me that the 360, with its creator being Microsoft, doesn't offer keyboard and mouse support. It seems to me to be a trivial addition to add pc controls to the games, and would address the entire issue. As it stands now, the primary reasons I wait for pc ports of games like gta, kotor, and bioshock most likely are for a)keyboard/mouse support and b) modability. I will stay pc for now, and would even if they did add keyboard/mouse to the 360 because I usually end up playing mods a lot longer than games proper, but it would at least be one more barrier of entry down. Or given my wii purchase this generation and its current success, everybody could just make games for it, that would work for me too .
I spent a lot of time on my parents' 2600 and my brother's SMS as a kid and had a lot of fun with both. We never had an NES, but we also didn't have cable, and I knew there was no chance we would be getting either, so I just kind of accepted them as being the kinds of things you get to do at a friend's house. (I seem to recall some theory my dad had about how you don't live in a nice location because then you'd have no place to vacation, and you don't have cable at home because then you'd be bored in hotel rooms.)
The only REAL console-war-esque drama I remember as a kid was how the GameBoy was laughable next to the might of the Game Gear (and in retrospect, vice versa).
But I find the term "young gamer" in the thread title kind of interesting, because I don't think that I was a "gamer" until sometime in or just before high school. I played video games as a kid, sure, but not enough to justify a label. So my "young gamer" time is pretty recent (~10 years ago), and "other systems" included anything that was not a PC because (to my thinking) they were all intended for children and escaped retard convicts. I sold my SNES around that time, and I have no firm recollection what I spent the money on, but I suspect that it supported a PC componant acquisition. God I regret that.
In the most recent update for the wii, I heard it now has keyboard support, and its always surprised me that the 360, with its creator being Microsoft, doesn't offer keyboard and mouse support. It seems to me to be a trivial addition to add pc controls to the games, and would address the entire issue. As it stands now, the primary reasons I wait for pc ports of games like gta, kotor, and bioshock most likely are for a)keyboard/mouse support and b) modability. I will stay pc for now, and would even if they did add keyboard/mouse to the 360 because I usually end up playing mods a lot longer than games proper, but it would at least be one more barrier of entry down. Or given my wii purchase this generation and its current success, everybody could just make games for it, that would work for me too .
Oh god, if 360 gets keyboard + mouse support that applies to all their games, I'll go outside and buy a bundle right now.
I'll get all the PC games I want with the definite controls and no need to upgrade my PC.
OMG, that would be awesomeness * infinity.
In regards to Sleep's comment about not "having time to learn to play this game", I don't think thats really accurate. I can play dual analog stick shooters, in fact when playing halo at friend's home I usually beat them despite my difficulties, but to me its just the frustration of not doing as well as you can. I feel like I'm not fighting against my opponents, but rather the inaccuracy of the controls. Come to think of it, I REALLY wish they would add keyboard/mouse control to the 360, I would love to bring mine over to my friends and show them just how badly I can beat them in a shooter, heheh.
Edit: Wow I sound arrogant, for full disclosure, my primary advantage over them is that I played goldeneye/perfectdark almost everyday for 5 years, and hence "filthy, cheating, screenlooking" is instinctual to me, where they haven't mastered it.
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adding keyboard and mouse support isnt that simple. The games are designed around the dual stick solution. If you have a kb&m adapter for the xbox, and you try to use it, the game's computer assist will mess you up, and on top of that, the sensitivity also restricts your movement.
You'd have to retroactively patch all games to remove any automated assistance.
I can understand the impact it could have on games from a design standpoint, ie. making them easier if you have such unrestricted movement/aiming, for example, the rifles in re4 wii edition suck because you can snipe people from far away with your pistol since the aiming is so incredibly accurate, or the gta games aiming and piloting being much easier on pc with the mouse. I'm no developer, but the technical standpoint, turning off auto-assist aiming, etc. doesn't seem insurmountable.
I'd rather play nerfed versions of the game and feel in control rather than be unable to play them with the gamepads. As shown with the pc versions of ports, pc gamers have dealt with easier versions of games for years, its not a huge deal.
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I was a strange breed in the late 80s-early 90s in that I actually loved the shit out of Square and Enix. I would brag about the Nintendo consoles having Final Fantasy and Dragon Warrior when the only thing most kids cared about was Street Fighter.
I think the first Sega console that we owned was the Sega Gamegear. Immediately, my brother shit on me for still using the ole brick that was the original Gameboy (a brick with the Legend games and FFA!). Although a mountain of batteries later, and a lack of a game library beyond sports games (I think there was like two RPG-esque games for the Gamegear, and I never saw them in any store) the system left us both boiling. We later got a hold of a Sega Genesis and played the shit out of Uncharted Waters... which always managed to erase the save file every other day. The SNES copy I later bought did not have this problem. Every dealing I had with a Sega product always seemed to go badly.
So yeah, I hated Sega with a passion as a child.
I remember starting at a new school in '95; when I got a PSX soon after launch, nobody even knew what it was. It's hard to fathom how mainstream gaming has gotten since the 16-bit days.
I was always about 2 years behind the launches of any of the new systems. That made it easy to balance out the different systems with each other. Everyone else had an N64 so I went for the Playstation. Looking back that was the only system that all of us agreed on. Between FFVII being passed around the dorm rooms, NHL 98 causing us to miss multiple classes and Devil Dice(MAn, did anybody else ever play that?) we got a ton of use out of that thing.
Once MS launched XBox live we all flipped over to that because it was just the easiest way to play online with your buddies. I think the main reason most of us own XBoxes is beacuse of Live.
I played the shit out of devil dice.
That would be a sweet XBLA re-make.
Oh yeah I went there.
As a kid I was all about NES but when SNES came out I was aware of other systems and that the best thing is to have them all and not stick with one thing. My house now...everything or at least backwards compatiple.
I even said "You guys are idiots" (jokingly) when I bought them.
This should guarantee that if I ever breed, my kid will get the right start.
A remake/update would be awesome.
I got my Genesis sometime in late '92/early '93, and my Super Nintendo for my 10th birthday, in April of 1994. Those held me over wonderfully until my 13th birthday in 1997. Sega was desperate to sell Saturns at that time, and were thus offering a deal where if you bought a Saturn, you got 3 games for free. It seemed like the smartest decision to me, so that's the one I got.
A few months later, I realized the err of my ways, and sold my Saturn to a friend. With the money I got for it, I went straight to Wal-Mart and bought a PlayStation. Of everything I'd done in my life that would qualify as a decision, this was easily the best I'd ever made. I don't need to explain to you guys just how prominent and iconic the PS was, and this was the first time in my life that I actually felt like I could honestly call myself a true "gamer." FFVII, MGS, Resident Evil...oh my GOD, Resident Evil. My friends and I got SO MUCH USE out of that game. We used to take turns in blocks of a few hours of play, or a death. When someone died, the turn would be passed to the next person. If they went their three hours without dying, they had to save and give up the controller. When one of us was playing, the others would simply sit and watch because the game was just that fucking entertaining. "LOOK OUT THERE'S A HUNTER COMING UP ON YOUR ASS HOLY FUCK TURN AROUND SHOOT SHOOT SHOO--shit, you died. Oh well, my turn! ^_^"
PlayStation was the only console I owned for a while, until around...Christmas 2000. Wow, I never actually stopped to think about that. PS kept me company all by itself for the better part of 3 1/2 years. Anyhoo, at Christmas '00, I got both N64 and Dreamcast, both of which I busted a nut for at the time. N64 did absolutely wonderful by me, but I cannot say the same for our beloved although ill-fated Dreamcast. I got rid of the DC sometime in late 2001, and kept my N64 until Early 2002.
I managed to get my hands on a PS2 in the first part of 2001, and it blew me away, to be honest. The graphics looked incredible for the time. 2001 was spent bouncing between PS2 and N64. When Xbox and 'Cube dropped in November, being the whore that I am, I wanted them both. I picked up an Xbox in early 2002, and was again blown away. Halo 1 was one of the coolest things I'd ever seen at the time.
I graduated high school in June of '02, and bounced between residences for the remainder of the year. In early '03, I managed to get my hands on a platinum GameCube, and played that for a while before getting tired of it due to...no fucking games. I got rid of the 'Cube in late '04, and just stuck with PS2 and Xbox for a while.
2005 was a period of transition for me as far as consoles go. I noticed that I wasn't playing my PS2 at all, and my Xbox was getting all the attention. Also, with 360 dropping at the end of the year, Microsoft seemed to be pulling the rug out from under Sony's feet.
So, December '05 came and I managed to snag a Premium 360 at Best Buy exactly one month after launch, on December 22nd. Shortly thereafter, I sold my PS2 and it's been nothing but 360 ever since. I did buy a PS3 in April of this year, but I recently sold that and put the money towards some must-have pre-orders for the second half of 2007.
I was never *huge* into handhelds, but there's something to be said for the original GameBoy. Yeah, I had one when they were new, and I loved it thanks in whole to Zelda: Link's Awakening. That game is pretty much the only handheld game that I've ever played for that long.
Basically, for me the only "other" systems were the ones that nobody owned anyway, so it was never a big deal.
My love of RPG bolstered by SNES' RPGs during that time made me really idolize the Nintendo system.
I think my love of Nintendo systems became the catalyst of how much I hated Nintendo after N64 came out.
I was really hyped by N64 before it came out, but after it came out and realizing that the games I loved on SNES weren't going to N64, I really hated Nintendo for that.
There is a really fine line between love and hate.
After PS1, I never looked back to any other system besides PS2. I finally bought a gamecube to play the great Nintendo games after Gamecube's death last year and I've never bothered with Xbox nor Dreamcast.
For this generation, I'm quite happy with the Wii since I might get the chance to play the games I've played on my PS2. I was worried that I'd have to bow out from gaming with the way games were going to go with Xbox360 and PS3.
While most of my time is still spent on my PS2, the only next-gen system that I feel worth owning right now is the Wii.
I'm fine with not getting any Xbox360 or PS3 games until the end of this generation or at least until Xbox360 is more trustworthy.
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I don't consider myself a fanboy of anything, but jesus, your logic regarding the 360 is flawed. You've got the right idea staying away from PS3, and I'm sure Wii is a blast, but 360 actually has...a game library. A *huge* game library full of must-haves. Doesn't that seem enticing to you at all? I swear I'm not trying to be a dick, I've just been rendered curious in a way that I can't even put words to.
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The 360 is so bad that it's better to bow out of gaming completely than consider it!
edit: t-Slash - I think there was a golden age where things were easiest and it's just ending. It was hell before and it sounds like hell now, but my perspective on it is pre 2005 followed by message board stories.
Brain dirty. Sleep now.
Well, I can understand his apprehension considering the hardware failure rate.
The hardware failure rate is the only thing preventing me from getting a 360 right now. Well, that and funds/time.
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I don't know man. Shit is definitely a lot more catered towards the disposable-income elitist nowadays, but hardware that could be considered "outdated" is still able to run the newest games adequately. Shit, up until a few months ago, I was still playing new games on my Radeon 9800SE (which is now in a friend's computer and still running strong, btw).
I get that, but Microsoft has basically bent over backwards to fix that, haven't they? With the universal warranty and such.
I never had an Atari 2600, I had an Atari 400 and an Apple II+. The graphics of the Atari 400 _killed_ the 2600. Pac Man looked reasonably similar to the arcade version. Missile Command looked awesome, too. On the Apple side I had games like Zaxxon, Wizardry!, etc. I also had some Infocom text based adventure games such as Zork, Wishbringer, and Hacker. I was happy with these for a long time and never really paid much attention to console gaming. When I'd visit my aunt and uncle's house I'd play my cousin in football and RealSports Baseball on his Atari 5200, and it was a big improvement over the 2600 to my eyes. Then the big video game market crash hit, and I didn't game much until...
the arrival of the NES. The NES changed everything. By 1986 we still had the same Apple II+ and it was showing its age. All my friends had PCs (Tandy 1000), Apple IIgs, or Macs. My parents got me a NES for Christmas (i'd originally asked for an Atari 7800) and that was it, I completely forgot about PC gaming for the longest time. No other system mattered to my greedy little eyes, the NES was amazing. I must have bought 50 games and rented hundreds more over the years I had it. The Sega Master System didn't interest me at all, except for Phantasy Star. I played Space Harrier and some of the other games and they didn't control very well. I ignored the SMS.
Then I guess around 1990 is when the Turbografx 16 hit (I read about it in the first ever issue of EGM, I wish I still had my copy) and the Genesis was also on the horizon. I was blown away by the TG16, but it was a lot of $$. The Gameboy didn't really do a lot for me, I was getting interested in PC games again once I saw Wing Commander on a friend's 286. I got a Genesis in 1990, right when it launched. Altered Beast freaked me out and my NES, after its many loyal years of service, was disregarded. I forgot about the TG16 and was pretty uninterested in the Super Famicom/SNES, too. I thought the SNES was too little too late, and that Sega had all the good new titles. I'd also picked up a used SMS just so I could play Phantasy Star, and had gotten a 386 based PC so I could play Ultima, Wing Commander, King's Quest, and most importantly - so I could go online with my awesome 2400 baud modem. I had a Prodigy account (which I outgrew after a month or two) and a big list of local BBS numbers. It was also around this time that I got my first job (early 1992, I guess) and started paying for my own gaming habits. I'd seen the Lynx and Neo Geo and thought they were cool but ridiculously expensive, the Neo Geo seemed like a rich boy's toy to me.
Not long after this I'd picked up a SNES as well as traded my PC for an Amiga, and then later a Mac. I never really thought good or bad of any particular system (other than envy of the expense of the Neo Geo) and tried to find a way to experience all of them. That's still my philosophy today. I've owned a NES, SNES, SMS, Genesis, Saturn, Playstation, Dreamcast, PS2, Xbox, Xbox360, PCs, Macs, Amigas, GBAs, and a PSP. I still don't have a PS3, but once a "must have" game hits I'll be there. And I actually have the odd craving to seek out a used Neo Geo, just to experience Samurai Showdown for myself.
Something that I'll throw in is that when I was in college (1994) it was ALL about the Genesis. Because the Genesis was the god and master of sports games.
If I had to pick an all time favorite system, it would be a close battle between the NES, the Dreamcast, and the 360. The NES because it launched the revolution and helped the video game industry rise from the ashes of its collapse, and so many of my great gaming moments came when playing NES games. Dreamcast because it was WAY ahead of its time and because Shenmue changed my perception of gaming. And the 360 because it (IMHO) is the spiritual next step of what the Dreamcast set out to become.
For the record I'm 31, started gaming I guess when I was 3 or 4. My parents figured it would be more interesting to put me in front of a computer rather than a piano. I think they made a good call, though I wish I could play the piano.
Tried playing Gears of War, GRAW, and Bioshock demo. Those were the flagship titles of 360 right now.
I can't - the way the game is controlled with the thumbsticks repulsed me - similar to how I was so repulsed with the so technical gameplay of Virtua Fighter even though it was hyped as the greatest 3D fighting game.
If this was how the majority of games I'm interested in were going to be controlled in 360 and PS3, I was afraid that I'd have to bow out of console gaming forever.
It was really upsetting to see so many awesome games being hyped in the forum boards and game websites that I have little interest and lack of fun in playing.
One of the reasons I have such high hopes for the Wii is just how much more natural aiming is for RE4:Wii.
I tried playing it in Gamecube but I got turned off due to not having the patience to learn aiming with thumbsticks.
I'm having so much fun playing it in the Wii that I really have high hopes for the Wii to get me interested in playing FPS or third person shooters since I can't seem to play any of those titles with dual pad controllers.
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I think the first time I played a dual stick FPS, it took all of five seconds to get it down.
Hell, me and some friends played the hell out of Goldeneye yesterday, and it was insanely difficult because it didn't have it.
YMMV, though. I just think that's a bit silly.
"I don't have time to learn how to play this game."
I tried playing GoldenEye/Black/The Suffering/Halo/Timesplitters but I never got it.
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Then, I got a PS1. This must have been when I was about 7 or 8. That hooked me, and basically my whole childhood was the PS1. I thought the N64 was pretty dumb. I played it when I was at my cousin's house sometimes but I fully believed that the PS1 was superior in every single way. I suppose this extends to the PS2 as well, because there is/was nothing that would make me want to buy any of its competition.
So basically when I was younger I thought everything was inferior to the PS brand systems, and I suppose I still do now. On a sidenote, I still have my 'ol grey PS1 and it still works. I
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Oh god I loved that game... I poured many a quarter into it at the local pizza joint as a kid.
The lure of the Neo-Geo system was great indeed... but yeah, at the time it was cheaper to play the upright version, and go home and play Double Dragon when I ran out of money.
Ukio... that dude was killer.
Man, what was the name of the guy that would jump and throw his sword, which spun and turned into like a flaming disc or something? Was that Wan-Fu?
I just worried about what games to play :P
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I've been playing with NES ever since Double Dragon came out for it but the only system I had from my parents were SNES. And that was 3 years after the SNES came out.
I think my parent's insistence in not giving me any system to play actually caused me to be addicted to gaming in the end... bugger...
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Agreed. It was so severe for me that I don't think I played a PSX much more than for a few hours of FF7 in 98, and then never again. My first few experiences with the Deuce in college were shaky at best, and after my SNES, I didn't own another console until '03 and the XBox.
God how I hated Sega as a child (or unknown reasons) - I've still never played a Sonic game for more than five minutes.
I finally received re4 for my gc and liked it, since it was single analog control, no having to move and aim at the same time, but I still felt frustrated by the limitations it put on aiming. When I bought re4 for my wii, the transcendant feeling I had was amazing, within an hour of playing I was making instant off the cuff headshots, and where I had gotten stuck at 10 5stars on the gc version of mercenaries, I 5 starred all 20 character/mission combinations in 2 2 hour sessions, most of them on the first try.
The only games of interest on the 360 that won't come out sooner or later for pc for me are dead rising and settlers of cataan, and while resident evil 5 looks cool, I don't think I could downgrade from the wii controls back to a gamepad.
Edit: No hate for the 360, I'm not a fan of sport/racing/3d fighters and, as we are discussing, I can't control dual analog shooters.
In the most recent update for the wii, I heard it now has keyboard support, and its always surprised me that the 360, with its creator being Microsoft, doesn't offer keyboard and mouse support. It seems to me to be a trivial addition to add pc controls to the games, and would address the entire issue. As it stands now, the primary reasons I wait for pc ports of games like gta, kotor, and bioshock most likely are for a)keyboard/mouse support and b) modability. I will stay pc for now, and would even if they did add keyboard/mouse to the 360 because I usually end up playing mods a lot longer than games proper, but it would at least be one more barrier of entry down. Or given my wii purchase this generation and its current success, everybody could just make games for it, that would work for me too
The only REAL console-war-esque drama I remember as a kid was how the GameBoy was laughable next to the might of the Game Gear (and in retrospect, vice versa).
But I find the term "young gamer" in the thread title kind of interesting, because I don't think that I was a "gamer" until sometime in or just before high school. I played video games as a kid, sure, but not enough to justify a label. So my "young gamer" time is pretty recent (~10 years ago), and "other systems" included anything that was not a PC because (to my thinking) they were all intended for children and escaped retard convicts. I sold my SNES around that time, and I have no firm recollection what I spent the money on, but I suspect that it supported a PC componant acquisition. God I regret that.
Oh god, if 360 gets keyboard + mouse support that applies to all their games, I'll go outside and buy a bundle right now.
I'll get all the PC games I want with the definite controls and no need to upgrade my PC.
OMG, that would be awesomeness * infinity.
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Edit: Wow I sound arrogant, for full disclosure, my primary advantage over them is that I played goldeneye/perfectdark almost everyday for 5 years, and hence "filthy, cheating, screenlooking" is instinctual to me, where they haven't mastered it.
You'd have to retroactively patch all games to remove any automated assistance.
I'd rather play nerfed versions of the game and feel in control rather than be unable to play them with the gamepads. As shown with the pc versions of ports, pc gamers have dealt with easier versions of games for years, its not a huge deal.