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Paramount and Dreamworks Go HD DVD Exclusive

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    Lave IILave II Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Rook wrote: »
    Lave II wrote: »
    Mr_Grinch wrote: »
    Heh, if you're wanting to move the off topic, I posted my new setup in the "computer space" thread :)
    ..snip..
    I think here in the UK HD is taking MUCH longer to take off, and I partially think that's because 720p isn't THAT massive an improvement over the PAL standard we've had here for years.

    See you there.

    And very true indeed. I saw a HDTV show room, and yeah it looked good, but pal looks good. I wasn't blown away. My main thought was "that TV is somewhat bigger than mine - and as such wouldn't fit that well in my flat."

    I would say there was probably something wrong with the setup, or you're very cynical, I know shop floors even in high street specialists don't tend to setup their displays optimally. I honestly haven't had anyone not be blown away by the improvements when I've shown them stuff even on a 24" screen.

    It was set up right, I know that. I'm cynical, but realistic. It was a lot, lot better. But blown away? Not at all.

    Would I like one? Definitley! Worth the (current) money? Not in the slightest.

    I think that HDTVs may be a needed when going to larger sizes of screen to maintain the same quality of image., but it isn't the leagues ahead I was expecting. It just seems a bit 'Emperors new clothes' to me.

    But hell, HDTVs do have a lot going for them, flatscreens, and that nice glossy finish they have is pretty sweet.

    I also don't like what I've heard about how they mangle SD signels. That worries me a lot.

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    .la1n.la1n Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    don't know if it's been mentioned but Michael Bay is apparently not very happy with this whole idea.

    http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/21/michael-bay-responds-to-paramounts-abandonment-of-blu-ray-no-t/

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    AccualtAccualt Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    .la1n wrote: »
    don't know if it's been mentioned but Michael Bay is apparently not very happy with this whole idea.

    http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/21/michael-bay-responds-to-paramounts-abandonment-of-blu-ray-no-t/

    That is...kind of funny, actually.
    In interviews I read before TF was released he didn't seem terribly excited about doing a sequel anyway. At the least he made it clear he wanted to do a different movie before doing any work on TF2.

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    Just_Bri_ThanksJust_Bri_Thanks Seething with rage from a handbasket.Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited August 2007
    I don't find myself too heartbroken that they may need a new director for TF2.

    Bay's ultimatum gets a resounding "meh" from me.

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    corin7corin7 San Diego, CARegistered User regular
    edited August 2007
    I don't find myself too heartbroken that they may need a new director for TF2.

    Bay's ultimatum gets a resounding "meh" from me.

    I hope he goes and makes a movie for Fox or Sony just to prove what an idiot he is. I mean come on dude your a director if someone wants to give 200 million to make a movie just take and laugh all the way to the bank. I think it is hilarious how invested people get in these format wars. Unless your Toshiba or Sony why the hell should you even care?

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    Just_Bri_ThanksJust_Bri_Thanks Seething with rage from a handbasket.Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited August 2007
    You would care if you were a Toshiba or Sony stockholder. Invested is the key word.

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    Houk the NamebringerHouk the Namebringer Nipples The EchidnaRegistered User regular
    edited August 2007
    i suppose i would care if i were a creator of content that would eventually show up on the format. you know, like a director or something who had a genuine concern with presenting his or her work in the best possible way to a paying audience.

    then i might care.

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    corin7corin7 San Diego, CARegistered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Houk wrote: »
    i suppose i would care if i were a creator of content that would eventually show up on the format. you know, like a director or something who had a genuine concern with presenting his or her work in the best possible way to a paying audience.

    then i might care.


    Well when it is less than 1% of total movie watching public and your effectively saying you will only work for the 1 or 2 studios that haven't picked sides and are releasing on both formats, I call it dumb. ymmv. If I was a director I wouldn't give two shits because I would be smart enough to know that almost all of my money is going to be made at the theaters and on dvd.

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    Mr_GrinchMr_Grinch Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Apparently Bay back-peddled when he realised he was missing out on lots of cash...

    http://www.shootfortheedit.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2304

    With the whole TV thing, the difference on a set smaller than 32" between RGB Pal and 720p is noticeable, but it's not massive. Nowhere near the increase you see over standard NTSC to 720p. Without diving in to resolutions too much and fiddling around with widescreen etc,

    Pal is essentially: 720 x 576

    whereas 720p is: 1280 x 720

    Yep, it's an increase but it's not tremendous, especially not compared to NTSC: 648x486

    Now, people are blown away in a show room, but you get a decent flat screen Standard Definition set hooked up with RGB and show them the same footage (normally Planet Earth, I think anyway, each showroom I see has video footage of big icecaps and then the jungle etc) and on smaller sets it's not a massive improvement.

    Don't get me wrong, I own a 32" LCD Samsung and I LOVE me some HD and I personally can tell the difference and appreciate the difference, but if you show it to an awful lot of everyday people they're not going to be blown away.

    The other factor in UK adoption is that there's NOTHING HD to watch yet over here! A poor and expensive selection of Sky channels and some REALLY REALLY pricey HD-DVD and Blu-Ray players. So unless you're a gamer, there's not a great deal of incentive to upgrade yet. If someone's tv dies, then yep, they'll go HD so in time adoption -will- pick up. But at the moment people aren't actively looking to upgrade.

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    ToyDToyD Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    http://www.fpdl.nist.gov

    These folks have an EXCELLENT test set to illustrate the capabilities of an HDTV from color levels to black and white levels. Their warning to not view it on a television you already own is serious. But it's an EXCELLENT set of tools to evaluate a television.

    Also, the LCD vs DLP comment is outdated. Current LCD models perform just as well as DLP models. I purchased an LCD after viewing it using their test screens and I can see everything just fine.

    Too much disinformation floating around. There are a LOT of resources to educate you on HDTV and it's capabilities and how to evaluate them properly.

    Also, floor showrooms do NOT set up their displays correctly and will even go so far as to tune a couple of models better for the environment and purposefully degrade others to sell certain models. Educate yourself, then go in and start messing with a display. Trust your own eyes and education when evaluating, not the salesman.

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    AlienCowThatMoosAlienCowThatMoos Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Meh, it's no worse than buying a Zelda game only to have it read ONLY FOR GAMECUBE at the top. No shit it's only for GameCube. It's a Nintendo property and a Nintendo system.

    I love that "Only for gamcube" logo on my copy of Resident Evil 2. The $5 whore of the video game world, literally been hit by every electronic device ever made prior to the gamecube.

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    AlienCowThatMoosAlienCowThatMoos Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Rook wrote: »
    I would say there was probably something wrong with the setup, or you're very cynical, I know shop floors even in high street specialists don't tend to setup their displays optimally. I honestly haven't had anyone not be blown away by the improvements when I've shown them stuff even on a 24" screen.

    I've noticed that almost every time I'm at future shop or anywhere they sell hdtvs they're setup like shit. Holy mother of god, if you want to sell these things, make them fucking look good! I've seen them running standard dvds with no upscaling (or whatever it is they do) so they look like pixelly you-tube videos.

    And sports. Why do they always have sports playing on all the tvs? Hey, ya know what? Sports, even on HD channels, look like pixelly artifacting crap on an HDTV. Am I the only one who can see this? Am I insane? Every time I look at one of those people around me will be going "Ohhh Ahh, it looks so life-like," and I'm the only one thinking "No it fucking doesn't!" Every time the camera moves the screen turns into a sea of random garbage data. Even when they're standing still you can clearly see each and every over-sized pixel. Is this the new age emperor's new clothes tale?

    Anyway, put on a blu-ray movie. That's what they're for and they look fantastic. I have only once ever seen a display model playing blu-ray.

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    ruforufo Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    And sports. Why do they always have sports playing on all the tvs? Hey, ya know what? Sports, even on HD channels, look like pixelly artifacting crap on an HDTV. Am I the only one who can see this? Am I insane? Every time I look at one of those people around me will be going "Ohhh Ahh, it looks so life-like," and I'm the only one thinking "No it fucking doesn't!" Every time the camera moves the screen turns into a sea of random garbage data. Even when they're standing still you can clearly see each and every over-sized pixel. Is this the new age emperor's new clothes tale?

    Well, yeah, if you look at the HDTVs in a showroom and you see the macroblocking, you're standing too close. All broadcast HDTV looks like overcompressed crap up close, but it still looks better then SDTV.

    Seriously, I can't understand how you can look at any sport in SD and then see it in HD and not see the difference. Hockey is literally transformed - I hate watching it in SD as I just can't follow the puck, but in HD it's at least visible most of the time.

    Also, they should kinda be using 720p for sports instead of 1080i - better for fast movement/panning - but most everywhere just broadcasts in 1080i and leaves it.

    But yeah, compare any broadcast HD to a HD-DVD/Blu-ray disc and the difference is amazing - take some time to compress and use a more modern codec and it makes a world of difference. I can't wait for Heroes and BSG to come out so I can drool all over my HDTV.

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