If Emulation is Faux-Pas here, How Do We Talk About Parallels/VMWare?

powerss

I think it begs discussion.

Zombiemambo

I find it funny that your signature is also hex for a CD crack or something like that.

powerss

Zombiemambo wrote: »

I find it funny that your signature is also hex for a CD crack or something like that.

So far off.

Just as a followup, as knowing many dev's I hate *piracy*. But it seems that any mention of emulation (EXAMPLE: I own Sonic the Hegehog for GameGear, but my GameGear is hosed.) is frowned upon.

Then, think of how many Mac users are actually using a real copy of XP with a legit key when they install Parallels? Thankfully, my workplace provided a copy.

ASimPerson

powerss wrote: »

Just as a followup, as knowing many dev's I hate privacy.

Wha?

powerss

ASimPerson wrote: »

powerss wrote: »

Just as a followup, as knowing many dev's I hate privacy.

Wha?

Fixed, buddy. Oh, and mods - again, if you're afraid that this will go somewhere evil, feel free to lock it. But I think it could be a civil discussion...

Zombiemambo

Oh, my bad. It's the 360's DVD encryption code.

Zxerol

Well, to be technical, there is a difference between fullbore emulation (e.g. Bochs, DOSBox, PearPC, the "naughty" emulators) and virtualization ala VMWare, Parallels, and VirtualPC. It's almost playing technical semantics, though.

DarkPrimus

Man, you can too talk about emulation here.

Aleph One, for example, is an emulator required to play the legally available for download Marathon games on a Windows machine.

KungFu

I thought the 'emulation' meant in relation to a computer emulating a console system for ROM's of copyrighted material. VMWare is legitimate emulation (not the same kind as mentioned in the rules) and Parallels allows for a Windows enviroment on a Mac computer - no laws against that, it was just previously thought technically not possible.

powerss

Zxerol wrote: »

Well, to be technical, there is a difference between fullbore emulation (e.g. Bochs, DOSBox, PearPC, the "naughty" emulators) and virtualization ala VMWare, Parallels, and VirtualPC. It's almost playing technical semantics, though.

Care to explain more? Absolutely no offence, but I still don't see a difference between emulation and virtualization. Are emulators emulating proprietary tech?

cfgauss

powerss wrote: »

ASimPerson wrote: »

powerss wrote: »

Just as a followup, as knowing many dev's I hate privacy.

Wha?

Fixed, buddy. Oh, and mods - again, if you're afraid that this will go somewhere evil, feel free to lock it. But I think it could be a civil discussion...

Freudian slip? Is this the first hint of a conspiracy where devs are collecting our personal data on a massive scale?

They don't like talking about it, because it's easy to, e.g., get a copy of an emulator and some roms without actually owning them.

KungFu

I think you're just interpreting the meaning of rules.

In which case you should had just started a discussing with a moderator privately to make sure your assertions were true or not.

DarkPrimus

KungFu wrote: »

I think you're just interpreting the meaning of rules.

In which case you should had just started a discussing with a moderator privately to make sure your assertions were true or not.

Or, if he wished to discuss them publicly:

http://forums.penny-arcade.com/forumdisplay.php?f=23

powerss

KungFu wrote: »

I think you're just interpreting the meaning of rules.

In which case you should had just started a discussing with a moderator privately to make sure your assertions were true or not.

I know what we can't/can talk about. I just wanted to know what differentiated each.

Zxerol

Generally, it's a matter on how the hardware is "created" in the virtual environment. In a full-emulation scheme, everything is recreated in software. The virtual processor would emulated, with its own cache, registers, etc. that's completely recreated in software, which runs the code in the target environment. With virtualization software, code in the target environment would be run natively on your computer's actual processor, using a hypervisor to manage the resources between the virtualized and host environments.

Emulation allows a code from one platform to run on another (PearPC emulating PowerPC on an x86, my microcontroller emulation suite emulating a Microchip PIC18F on my Windows box). Virtualization will generally only allow you to run code on the same platform (VirtualPC will run only x86 on x86).

Even with virtualization, though, certain elements of the hardware are emulated (such as sound and video devices, as well as the BIOS and miscellaneous other things), and sometimes the virtualization suite won't run the code natively on the processor anyway (like when it dynamically recompiles real mode code into user mode). So, as I said, it's just a very technical distinction with how these applications run the actual code. The two are fairly close to each other in many respects, many times the line is blurred, and a lot of people don't bother making any distinction between the two..

freshmasterfresh

Wow.

I didn't expect such an interesting and comprehensive reply to grace this thread.

I was pretty much just here for the train wreck factor.

HAKdragon

DarkPrimus wrote: »

Man, you can too talk about emulation here.

Aleph One, for example, is an emulator required to play the legally available for download Marathon games on a Windows machine.

O_o Aleph One is an open source Marathon engine, not an emulator. Hell, the link for Aleph One includes the word source in it. And from the AlephWiki,

AlephWiki wrote:

Aleph One is a game engine currently in development by the Open Source community. It is based on the source code of Marathon 2: Durandal, a game created by Bungie Software in 1995. Since Bungie released the source code, Aleph One has matured to include a variety of new features and improvements.