it would be nice if in expansions they open up more classes for the existing races as well as add new races. Such as adding Khorne Bezerkers or some type of Plauge Priest.
Just as a point, but this won't work with the way WAR is set up currently. We've got a Chaos Army led by Tzeentch. Tzeentch does not get along with the other Chaos Gods. All the Gods pretty much hate eachother, and will actually undermine eachother's endeavors.
We've even got Nurgle, Khorne and Slannesh mobs in game to kill.
So, because of that it's likely we'll never see Nurgle, Khorne or Slannesh careers as playable. They'd have to scrap the current Chaos set up and create Chaos Undivided to do that.
The original plan was to have all chaos gods available, as well as the aspects of sigmar, and whatever other mumbo other races follow. While that seems unlikely, they haven't exactly ruled out the possibility either.
it would be nice if in expansions they open up more classes for the existing races as well as add new races. Such as adding Khorne Bezerkers or some type of Plauge Priest. They wouldn't have to be vastly diffrent but maybe have slightly diffrent abilties just something to keep things fresh.
Adding another class just because is an excellent way to generate more imbalances than you can shake a stick at.
you don't make them that much diffrent from the other melee/caster class in that army. Just give them slightly diffrent abilties nothing game breaking.
Meh, it's fluff that would waste dev time. There's no real need when there are still classes that need testing/modifying/retesting...
it would be nice if in expansions they open up more classes for the existing races as well as add new races. Such as adding Khorne Bezerkers or some type of Plauge Priest. They wouldn't have to be vastly diffrent but maybe have slightly diffrent abilties just something to keep things fresh.
Adding another class just because is an excellent way to generate more imbalances than you can shake a stick at.
you don't make them that much diffrent from the other melee/caster class in that army. Just give them slightly diffrent abilties nothing game breaking.
Meh, it's fluff that would waste dev time. There's no real need when there are still classes that need testing/modifying/retesting...
She said they should be added in an expansion, the current classes ought to be in fairly good shape by then.
it would be nice if in expansions they open up more classes for the existing races as well as add new races. Such as adding Khorne Bezerkers or some type of Plauge Priest. They wouldn't have to be vastly diffrent but maybe have slightly diffrent abilties just something to keep things fresh.
Adding another class just because is an excellent way to generate more imbalances than you can shake a stick at.
you don't make them that much diffrent from the other melee/caster class in that army. Just give them slightly diffrent abilties nothing game breaking.
Meh, it's fluff that would waste dev time. There's no real need when there are still classes that need testing/modifying/retesting...
She said they should be added in an expansion, the current classes ought to be in fairly good shape by then.
Huh, so she did. I completely misread that as beta phases.
Ooh, I can play a new class called the Goblin Fanatic, but it plays exactly like the Orc Choppa... except all the skills are named differently.
sarcasm
that will really make me want to play/buy that class/expansion
/sarcasm
dev time for expansions should be for new content, not reskinning old content. and if there is one company that is really good at doing the former in a short amount of time, it's mythic.
Reskinning would be fine, I wouldnt see it taking away much from the actual content developers, since it always seems that the skins are the things done the fastest before animation, zone mapping & creation, and itemizing etc.
Initially I thought you would just get a suit of Khorne Bezerker armor or something which when worn as a full suit gave some nice bonuses and had a nice skin.
dev time for expansions should be for new content, not reskinning old content. and if there is one company that is really good at doing the former in a short amount of time, it's mythic.
I agree, but re-skinning is one thing, new classes don't necessarily have to be carbon copies. I think new classes are a very important part of MMO expansions, if the classes fill a previously empty role or play very different from the others. New classes give you more playtime, without even having to generate new content otherwise.
new classes don't necessarily have to be carbon copies.
Yeah, new classes aren't necessarily duplicates of existing classes. They can often have completely different mechanics or attack styles.
Just see the new classes that were added to DAoC (for better or worse, heh). I think every class added to DAoC had some sort of new gimmick that made it quite different from the Classic classes.
Mythic may have gone a bit overboard, and some of the gimmicks ended up being more than a little OPed in a couple cases .
So hopefully Mythic can avoid that sort of thing this time.
In a 2 faction system, Brettonia and VC would be on the same side.
this is true since there are some vampire counts who are not evil well acourding to the book Vampireslayer (course that may not be considered offical warhammer but i think it works)
edit not to mention it would be nice to see a race that is usually considered ugly/evil on the side of the "good" guys.
paul actually said pretty early on that the first expansion would be skaven v lizards.
and VC would be allied with bretts and empire (theyre part of the 13 provinces...still).
This is Paul... While he does have some authority, by no means should his word ever be taken as anything approaching law.
It's not like he's the creative director or something... in charge of determing what happens when and all. Nah.. I'd believe it more if it were coming from the creative director!
In a 2 faction system, Brettonia and VC would be on the same side.
this is true since there are some vampire counts who are not evil well acourding to the book Vampireslayer (course that may not be considered offical warhammer but i think it works)
edit not to mention it would be nice to see a race that is usually considered ugly/evil on the side of the "good" guys.
and VC would be allied with bretts and empire (theyre part of the 13 provinces...still).
Uhhh... how so?
The Vamps in Sylvania are Von Carstein. Their leader is Mannfred. He's one bad guy. He's invaded the Empire on at least two occasions. He's also wearing Nagash's ring so he's functional immortal. While he fought Chaos during the Storm of Chaos that was mainly because they invaded Sylvania. And he was about to attack Middenheim, but fled in the face of a threat from the High Theogonist.
Mannfred is far from a "good" guy. He'd be more likely to side with Destruction than Order.
For the other Bloodlines, we've got Lahmians who are centered in the Silver Pinnacle (I always forget where it is though).
The Blood Dragons are kind of scattered around, but I think there's a Brass Keep somewhere maybe?
The Necrarchs are loners and don't band together.
The Strigoi are somewhat sub-human. They should actually already be in the game as mobs, in the Marshes of Madness zone.
paul actually said pretty early on that the first expansion would be skaven v lizards
He never said lizards. He hinted that Skaven would be first though.
He actually said a bit ago that he personally wasn't interested in Lustria, or something to that effect.
and VC would be allied with bretts and empire (theyre part of the 13 provinces...still).
Uhhh... how so?
The Vamps in Sylvania are Von Carstein. Their leader is Mannfred. He's one bad guy. He's invaded the Empire on at least two occasions. He's also wearing Nagash's ring so he's functional immortal. While he fought Chaos during the Storm of Chaos that was mainly because they invaded Sylvania. And he was about to attack Middenheim, but fled in the face of a threat from the High Theogonist.
Mannfred is far from a "good" guy. He'd be more likely to side with Destruction than Order.
For the other Bloodlines, we've got Lahmians who are centered in the Silver Pinnacle (I always forget where it is though).
The Blood Dragons are kind of scattered around, but I think there's a Brass Keep somewhere maybe?
The Necrarchs are loners and don't band together.
The Strigoi are somewhat sub-human. They should actually already be in the game as mobs, in the Marshes of Madness zone.
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Warhammer isn't about good vs. evil.
Why would the Vampire Counts help Chaos conquer the Empire? They see themselves as the rightful rulers of mankind, not the Chaos gods.
Why would the Vampire Counts help Chaos conquer the Empire?
It's not so much helping Chaos, as it would be taking advantage of what Chaos is doing to further their own goals. Kinda like how the Dark Elves are taking advantage of the Chaos Invasion in order to invade Ulthuan.
If the Vamps are added, it would be in a different Racial Pairing. They'd be attacking a different city, not Altdorf.
If you put them on Order's side. Who would they be paired with on Destruction? I can't think of a logical choice.
It's easier to make them Destruction and pair them with something like Brettonia. Bloodline would either be Lahmia or Blood Dragon I think, for that to make sense.
In theory, maybe you could add a Vampire class to the Empire. Which would be somewhat odd, but maybe feasible. It'd be Von Carstein, and might entail adding Sylvania as an extra, optional, Tier 3 or 4 zone.
Then, at a later date, you could add a different Bloodline to Destruction. Then you could have some Vamp on Vamp action .
Besides what are essentially humans, what other races are there on the "good" side of warhammer lore?
You think witchhunting and theocracies are "good"? There aren't any.
Well, the "better" side, as compared to Chaos.
I'm still glad they use the term "order", because that's just so open, because you could well argue that the Soviet Union was order, and that's kind of the deal with the current batch. Even Bretonia has serious issues, oh you're not a soldier or aristocrat? Guess you're starving in poverty then.
Besides what are essentially humans, what other races are there on the "good" side of warhammer lore?
You think witchhunting and theocracies are "good"? There aren't any.
Well, the "better" side, as compared to Chaos.
I'm still glad they use the term "order", because that's just so open, because you could well argue that the Soviet Union was order, and that's kind of the deal with the current batch. Even Bretonia has serious issues, oh you're not a soldier or aristocrat? Guess you're starving in poverty then.
so brettonia is like old france before they started cutting off heads?
Besides what are essentially humans, what other races are there on the "good" side of warhammer lore?
You think witchhunting and theocracies are "good"? There aren't any.
Well, the "better" side, as compared to Chaos.
I'm still glad they use the term "order", because that's just so open, because you could well argue that the Soviet Union was order, and that's kind of the deal with the current batch. Even Bretonia has serious issues, oh you're not a soldier or aristocrat? Guess you're starving in poverty then.
so brettonia is like old france before they started cutting off heads?
Supposedly it's exaggerated well beyond the Dark Ages ever were in reality, so worse. Check the wiki, it says duck instead of duke, twice, and that's awesome.
The Vampires loathe Chaos, just as much as the faithful of the Gods would find them to be abominations.
Nagash' Elixir of Life basically throws off the whole system. It binds the Aethyric elements of a being (the "soul", as it were, or "ka" iirc, to the Nehekkharans) to the physical, preventing that essence from ever releasing into the Warp (and ultimately, separating it from that Chaotic vitality that feeds life, creativity, and the Chaos gods).
Though this doesn't inherently prevent physical decay (read: Liche), the Lahmians who found his Elixir found a way sap the Aethryic stuff of other mortals, replacing their own forms with one created from Dhar (dark magic) wrapped around their soul/ka/self. Thus the drinking blood and shapeshifting.
Fundamentally, Warhammer vampires are daemons of their own ego; a forced blend of physical and aethyric that keeps them beyond the reach of Chaos, and beyond the reach of physical forces (like decay). As such, they're pretty much on their own; they're just as dead to Chaos as they are the Empire, and a world of endless change and inconstancy is pretty abhorrent to an eternial being formed of its own willpower.
So no, background-wise, they wouldn't side with Chaos. Ever.
Which is why they would rock as an Order race in an expansion. To really drive home the idea that order != good guys.
But would you want a situation where you've got Warrior Priests and Witch Hunters grouped with Vampires? That hurts my head to think about.
It also means you would never, ever have Knights of Morr as playable (they hunt down necromancers and vampires because they are an affront to Morr, the God of Death). I was kind of hoping they'd be playable one day.
If they were to make a whole Race out of the Vampire Counts, I don't see how they could do that for Order. You'd end up with Wights or something on the Order side. Again, that'd be mind-boggling.
WAR has grouped Chaos, Dark Elves and Greenskins together. I think adding Vampires to that side of the mix is only an additional slight bend to the Lore.
Besides what are essentially humans, what other races are there on the "good" side of warhammer lore?
You think witchhunting and theocracies are "good"? There aren't any.
Is there any one left in RPG gaming that doesn't understand the convention of morally skewing the sides of "good" and "bad"? No of course not, so you know exactly what I mean when I say "good".
Really my question is if they make an expansion what races would be possible for "order"? Is that better? Because it's the same question.
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Just as a point, but this won't work with the way WAR is set up currently. We've got a Chaos Army led by Tzeentch. Tzeentch does not get along with the other Chaos Gods. All the Gods pretty much hate eachother, and will actually undermine eachother's endeavors.
We've even got Nurgle, Khorne and Slannesh mobs in game to kill.
So, because of that it's likely we'll never see Nurgle, Khorne or Slannesh careers as playable. They'd have to scrap the current Chaos set up and create Chaos Undivided to do that.
Meh, it's fluff that would waste dev time. There's no real need when there are still classes that need testing/modifying/retesting...
She said they should be added in an expansion, the current classes ought to be in fairly good shape by then.
Huh, so she did. I completely misread that as beta phases.
Ooh, I can play a new class called the Goblin Fanatic, but it plays exactly like the Orc Choppa... except all the skills are named differently.
sarcasm
that will really make me want to play/buy that class/expansion
/sarcasm
dev time for expansions should be for new content, not reskinning old content. and if there is one company that is really good at doing the former in a short amount of time, it's mythic.
Initially I thought you would just get a suit of Khorne Bezerker armor or something which when worn as a full suit gave some nice bonuses and had a nice skin.
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I agree, but re-skinning is one thing, new classes don't necessarily have to be carbon copies. I think new classes are a very important part of MMO expansions, if the classes fill a previously empty role or play very different from the others. New classes give you more playtime, without even having to generate new content otherwise.
Yeah, new classes aren't necessarily duplicates of existing classes. They can often have completely different mechanics or attack styles.
Just see the new classes that were added to DAoC (for better or worse, heh). I think every class added to DAoC had some sort of new gimmick that made it quite different from the Classic classes.
Mythic may have gone a bit overboard, and some of the gimmicks ended up being more than a little OPed in a couple cases
So hopefully Mythic can avoid that sort of thing this time.
Expansion.
Skaven.
That's really all I have to say.
EDIT: Also HOLY SHIT, morale abilities remind me so much of gauntlet legend.
fuck your rats
In a 2 faction system, Brettonia and VC would be on the same side.
and VC would be allied with bretts and empire (theyre part of the 13 provinces...still).
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This is Paul... While he does have some authority, by no means should his word ever be taken as anything approaching law.
this is true since there are some vampire counts who are not evil well acourding to the book Vampireslayer (course that may not be considered offical warhammer but i think it works)
edit not to mention it would be nice to see a race that is usually considered ugly/evil on the side of the "good" guys.
It's not like he's the creative director or something... in charge of determing what happens when and all. Nah.. I'd believe it more if it were coming from the creative director!
Vampires are very much evil.
They are on the side of order, though.
Uhhh... how so?
The Vamps in Sylvania are Von Carstein. Their leader is Mannfred. He's one bad guy. He's invaded the Empire on at least two occasions. He's also wearing Nagash's ring so he's functional immortal. While he fought Chaos during the Storm of Chaos that was mainly because they invaded Sylvania. And he was about to attack Middenheim, but fled in the face of a threat from the High Theogonist.
Mannfred is far from a "good" guy. He'd be more likely to side with Destruction than Order.
For the other Bloodlines, we've got Lahmians who are centered in the Silver Pinnacle (I always forget where it is though).
The Blood Dragons are kind of scattered around, but I think there's a Brass Keep somewhere maybe?
The Necrarchs are loners and don't band together.
The Strigoi are somewhat sub-human. They should actually already be in the game as mobs, in the Marshes of Madness zone.
He never said lizards. He hinted that Skaven would be first though.
He actually said a bit ago that he personally wasn't interested in Lustria, or something to that effect.
Sylvania is an Imperial province.
Warhammer isn't about good vs. evil.
Why would the Vampire Counts help Chaos conquer the Empire? They see themselves as the rightful rulers of mankind, not the Chaos gods.
Saying otherwise will only make me go LALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU
It's not so much helping Chaos, as it would be taking advantage of what Chaos is doing to further their own goals. Kinda like how the Dark Elves are taking advantage of the Chaos Invasion in order to invade Ulthuan.
If the Vamps are added, it would be in a different Racial Pairing. They'd be attacking a different city, not Altdorf.
If you put them on Order's side. Who would they be paired with on Destruction? I can't think of a logical choice.
It's easier to make them Destruction and pair them with something like Brettonia. Bloodline would either be Lahmia or Blood Dragon I think, for that to make sense.
In theory, maybe you could add a Vampire class to the Empire. Which would be somewhat odd, but maybe feasible. It'd be Von Carstein, and might entail adding Sylvania as an extra, optional, Tier 3 or 4 zone.
Then, at a later date, you could add a different Bloodline to Destruction. Then you could have some Vamp on Vamp action
You think witchhunting and theocracies are "good"? There aren't any.
Well, the "better" side, as compared to Chaos.
I'm still glad they use the term "order", because that's just so open, because you could well argue that the Soviet Union was order, and that's kind of the deal with the current batch. Even Bretonia has serious issues, oh you're not a soldier or aristocrat? Guess you're starving in poverty then.
so brettonia is like old france before they started cutting off heads?
Supposedly it's exaggerated well beyond the Dark Ages ever were in reality, so worse. Check the wiki, it says duck instead of duke, twice, and that's awesome.
Nagash' Elixir of Life basically throws off the whole system. It binds the Aethyric elements of a being (the "soul", as it were, or "ka" iirc, to the Nehekkharans) to the physical, preventing that essence from ever releasing into the Warp (and ultimately, separating it from that Chaotic vitality that feeds life, creativity, and the Chaos gods).
Though this doesn't inherently prevent physical decay (read: Liche), the Lahmians who found his Elixir found a way sap the Aethryic stuff of other mortals, replacing their own forms with one created from Dhar (dark magic) wrapped around their soul/ka/self. Thus the drinking blood and shapeshifting.
Fundamentally, Warhammer vampires are daemons of their own ego; a forced blend of physical and aethyric that keeps them beyond the reach of Chaos, and beyond the reach of physical forces (like decay). As such, they're pretty much on their own; they're just as dead to Chaos as they are the Empire, and a world of endless change and inconstancy is pretty abhorrent to an eternial being formed of its own willpower.
So no, background-wise, they wouldn't side with Chaos. Ever.
But would you want a situation where you've got Warrior Priests and Witch Hunters grouped with Vampires? That hurts my head to think about.
It also means you would never, ever have Knights of Morr as playable (they hunt down necromancers and vampires because they are an affront to Morr, the God of Death). I was kind of hoping they'd be playable one day.
If they were to make a whole Race out of the Vampire Counts, I don't see how they could do that for Order. You'd end up with Wights or something on the Order side. Again, that'd be mind-boggling.
WAR has grouped Chaos, Dark Elves and Greenskins together. I think adding Vampires to that side of the mix is only an additional slight bend to the Lore.
Is there any one left in RPG gaming that doesn't understand the convention of morally skewing the sides of "good" and "bad"? No of course not, so you know exactly what I mean when I say "good".
Really my question is if they make an expansion what races would be possible for "order"? Is that better? Because it's the same question.