The new forums will be named Coin Return (based on the most recent vote)! You can check on the status and timeline of the transition to the new forums here.
The Guiding Principles and New Rules document is now in effect.

Vista 32bit - Runs everything?

Oddjob187Oddjob187 PewTorontoRegistered User regular
edited August 2007 in Games and Technology
Yar mateys.

I just bought a brand spank'in new PC and the copy of Vista I got with it is accidentally the 32bit version instead of the 64bit.*

So now I am wondering if I just use the 32bit version will it run all the older games that are not getting updates to run on 62bit OS?

Danke

*- I was so giddy while I was watching it being put together for free by the guys at the store while we chatted that I didn't notice the case thrown into my box of goodies was 32bit.

Oddjob187 on
«1

Posts

  • powersurgepowersurge Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    TBH Vista isn't worth it. I've run into XP era games that I can't get to install at all (yeah yeah Rise and Fall Civ at War wasn't the most popular RTS but I liked it dammit) and several games that have issues (anywhere from crashes to punkbuster problems). I was full Vista for a couple of months till I got tired of it. I'm dual booting now. I just have a small Vista partition for Vista only stuff.

    As for 32bit VS 64bit I'd go with 32bit. No games really take advantage of 64bit and drivers and support are slower to get to the 64bit side of things still.

    At least on the flip side the UI is really nice and easy on the eyes and its got some neat features. Its just got crappy support atm more so for games. (BTW games purchased via steam still do not show up in the games explorer) Drivers are getting better I think but its still not XP stability. Hopefully the rumored Vista SP1 this fall will change things.

    powersurge on
  • Oddjob187Oddjob187 Pew TorontoRegistered User regular
    edited August 2007
    powersurge wrote: »
    TBH Vista isn't worth it. I've run into XP era games that I can't get to install at all (yeah yeah Rise and Fall Civ at War wasn't the most popular RTS but I liked it dammit) and several games that have issues (anywhere from crashes to punkbuster problems). I was full Vista for a couple of months till I got tired of it. I'm dual booting now. I just have a small Vista partition for Vista only stuff.

    As for 32bit VS 64bit I'd go with 32bit. No games really take advantage of 64bit and drivers and support are slower to get to the 64bit side of things still.

    At least on the flip side the UI is really nice and easy on the eyes and its got some neat features. Its just got crappy support atm more so for games. (BTW games purchased via steam still do not show up in the games explorer) Drivers are getting better I think but its still not XP stability. Hopefully the rumored Vista SP1 this fall will change things.

    Well I don't download games on this steam contraption, and anything I play is fairly new (Company of Heroes, Warhammer Online, Sup Com), so maybe using Vista will work after all.

    Me thinks I will install this 32bit vista and see how it goes, and downgrade back to Xp if needed.

    Oddjob187 on
  • DashuiDashui Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    I've never had any issues with Vista, 32-bit and 64-bit. All my games have worked and performed perfectly, as have all my software and drivers. Honestly, you'll be fine. There may be some incompatibilities, as powersurge said, but I have yet to run into any.

    Dashui on
    Xbox Live, PSN & Origin: Vacorsis 3DS: 2638-0037-166
  • powersurgepowersurge Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Well I don't download games on this steam contraption, and anything I play is fairly new (Company of Heroes, Warhammer Online, Sup Com), so maybe using Vista will work after all.

    Not sure about Warhammer Online but the other 2 games ran ok in Vista for me.

    I did run into a problem with Supreme Commander + Xfire + Vista though. It seems in game chat (at least it was like this a month ago) doesn't work with sup com while your on Vista.

    powersurge on
  • MonaroMonaro Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Hit or miss I guess.

    Most of them will work, some have problems. I've known people to run, say Battlefield 2 better on Vista than on their XP rigs, while others have had problems.

    Treat it like the move from 98 to XP. Hope for the best but expect hiccups. Also, getting 32-bit Vista instead of 64 is good. It's not as pain free as we'd hope it to be, so you'd spend too much time sorting things than using it.

    Monaro on
    steam_sig.png
  • Oddjob187Oddjob187 Pew TorontoRegistered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Excellent, thank you gentlemen for your assistance.

    Time to go stare into the 22" wide screen monitor in all its glory.

    Oddjob187 on
  • MonaroMonaro Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    It is also interesting to note that (as already mentioned) games can work fine, but the accompanying utilities can have problems. From Steam, Punkbuster and other anti-cheat, online or matchmaking tools in the games. So while it might be smooth for single player, you might run in to problems when the extra applications need to run.

    Monaro on
    steam_sig.png
  • RohanRohan Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    powersurge wrote: »
    TBH Vista isn't worth it. I've run into XP era games that I can't get to install at all (yeah yeah Rise and Fall Civ at War wasn't the most popular RTS but I liked it dammit) and several games that have issues (anywhere from crashes to punkbuster problems). I was full Vista for a couple of months till I got tired of it. I'm dual booting now. I just have a small Vista partition for Vista only stuff.

    As for 32bit VS 64bit I'd go with 32bit. No games really take advantage of 64bit and drivers and support are slower to get to the 64bit side of things still.

    At least on the flip side the UI is really nice and easy on the eyes and its got some neat features. Its just got crappy support atm more so for games. (BTW games purchased via steam still do not show up in the games explorer) Drivers are getting better I think but its still not XP stability. Hopefully the rumored Vista SP1 this fall will change things.

    I'm the same as you, I have split my 120GB drive between XP and Vista, and am dual-booting. I haven't loaded up Vista in months. There's nothing it can do yet that XP can't.

    Rohan on
    ...and I thought of how all those people died, and what a good death that is. That nobody can blame you for it, because everyone else died along with you, and it is the fault of none, save those who did the killing.

    Nothing's forgotten, nothing is ever forgotten
  • ecchiecchi Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    The Start menu, alt-tab, and the winkey + # shortcuts are brilliant and prevent me from ever going back to XP.

    ecchi on
  • LaCabraLaCabra MelbourneRegistered User regular
    edited August 2007
    I'm using Vista right now, but it doesn't run games as well as XP for me, so I'll be reinstalling XP tomorrow or something and dual-booting as I've done previously. Generally, it really is a bitch to go back to XP after using Vista, but I'll probably only be using XP for games.

    LaCabra on
  • TxdoHawkTxdoHawk Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Vista has some issues here and there with certain games, but as long as you are quick on the draw with Google, generally you won't have a problem.

    Oh, and for people having Punkbuster issues with certain games under Vista, I found that manually updating with PBSetup generally does the trick. The homepage kind of buries this for some retarded reason. Unfortunately with this you need to manually update for every PB client update, but so far I have only ran into this problem with Quake 3...which doesn't exactly get a ton of updates anymore.

    Edit: Oh, and this may have changed, but last I heard there weren't a ton of reasons to run 64-bit Vista at the moment. Unless you have specific programs in mind that have 64-bit executables, I'd stick with 32-bit.

    TxdoHawk on
    TuxedoHawk.png
  • squirlysquirly Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Rohan wrote: »
    powersurge wrote: »
    TBH Vista isn't worth it. I've run into XP era games that I can't get to install at all (yeah yeah Rise and Fall Civ at War wasn't the most popular RTS but I liked it dammit) and several games that have issues (anywhere from crashes to punkbuster problems). I was full Vista for a couple of months till I got tired of it. I'm dual booting now. I just have a small Vista partition for Vista only stuff.

    As for 32bit VS 64bit I'd go with 32bit. No games really take advantage of 64bit and drivers and support are slower to get to the 64bit side of things still.

    At least on the flip side the UI is really nice and easy on the eyes and its got some neat features. Its just got crappy support atm more so for games. (BTW games purchased via steam still do not show up in the games explorer) Drivers are getting better I think but its still not XP stability. Hopefully the rumored Vista SP1 this fall will change things.

    I'm the same as you, I have split my 120GB drive between XP and Vista, and am dual-booting. I haven't loaded up Vista in months. There's nothing it can do yet that XP can't.
    HAHAHAH.


    And yeah, I doubt you'll run into many compatibility problems with Vista, I have everything from Monkey Island to CS 1.6 to CoH working.. hell, I can't really think of a single game I haven't been able to play.

    squirly on
    Diablo2 [US West; Ladder]: *DorianGraph [New/Main] *outsidewhale [Old]
  • jonxpjonxp [E] PC Security Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    ecchi wrote: »
    The Start menu, alt-tab, and the winkey + # shortcuts are brilliant and prevent me from ever going back to XP.

    Truth. I can no longer live without the Vista start menu.

    jonxp on
    Every time you write parallel fifths, Bach kills a kitten.
    3DS Friend Code: 2707-1614-5576
    PAX Prime 2014 Buttoneering!
  • SushisourceSushisource Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    jonxp wrote: »
    ecchi wrote: »
    The Start menu, alt-tab, and the winkey + # shortcuts are brilliant and prevent me from ever going back to XP.

    Truth. I can no longer live without the Vista start menu.

    Except in linux. I hate using XP now.

    Seriously though, I really like vista.

    Sushisource on
    Some drugee on Kavinsky's 1986
    kavinskysig.gif
  • taliosfalcontaliosfalcon Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    jonxp wrote: »
    ecchi wrote: »
    The Start menu, alt-tab, and the winkey + # shortcuts are brilliant and prevent me from ever going back to XP.

    Truth. I can no longer live without the Vista start menu.

    i just reinstalled vista today (on a sidenote, wtf is up with the built in vista back up/restore? i've added a new hdd since i made the image 500 gigs, the original was 320, and since there was an additional hdd it wouldn't restore the image to the 320 gig until i unplugged the 500? fuck you vista) but anyway the vista start menu is one thing i hate about it, i just can't stand it. Its overall just much more bloated than the xp menu until you whittle it down..and the chances that the search function has indexed what i'm looking for by default is always pretty much nil

    taliosfalcon on
    steam xbox - adeptpenguin
  • BursarBursar Hee Noooo! PDX areaRegistered User regular
    edited August 2007
    I'm thinking of upgrading my PC this weekend, and a bump in the OS from 2000 (stop laughing! It works just fine for almost everything!) is part of my plan.

    What's the difference between Vista Home Basic and Home Premium, and is it worth the $30 between the two?

    Bursar on
    GNU Terry Pratchett
    PSN: Wstfgl | GamerTag: An Evil Plan | Battle.net: FallenIdle#1970
    Hit me up on BoardGameArena! User: Loaded D1
    Spoilered until images are unborked. egc6gp2emz1v.png
  • taliosfalcontaliosfalcon Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvista_editions_final.asp basically home basic has less features than XP, premium is definitley worth an extra 30$

    taliosfalcon on
    steam xbox - adeptpenguin
  • BursarBursar Hee Noooo! PDX areaRegistered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Ah, thanks for that link. I'd tip my hat to you were I wearing one.

    Bursar on
    GNU Terry Pratchett
    PSN: Wstfgl | GamerTag: An Evil Plan | Battle.net: FallenIdle#1970
    Hit me up on BoardGameArena! User: Loaded D1
    Spoilered until images are unborked. egc6gp2emz1v.png
  • SarathaiSarathai Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Anyone who has a 32-bit version of Vista and wants the 64-bit version can get it from Microsoft for $10.

    http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/1033/ordermedia/default.mspx

    It was no accident you got the 32-bit version, Oddjob. All retail versions of Vista except Ultimate only have the 32-bit disk in the package. I have no idea why they did it that way, but that's just the way it is. But really, unless you want 4 gigs of ram there's not much reason to order it.

    Sarathai on
  • scootchscootch Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    I'd wait on the install. WGA for vista servers are down and MS is saying it won't be up 'til 28th. this means Vista will call you a pirate and disable some features.

    scootch on
    TF2 stats
    PSN: super_emu
    Xbox360 Gamertag: Emuchop
  • DehumanizedDehumanized Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    ecchi wrote: »
    The Start menu, alt-tab, and the winkey + # shortcuts are brilliant and prevent me from ever going back to XP.

    How is alt-tab different in Vista?

    Dehumanized on
  • scootchscootch Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    I think he meant window key + tab

    scootch on
    TF2 stats
    PSN: super_emu
    Xbox360 Gamertag: Emuchop
  • ecchiecchi Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Nope, win-tab is worthless. Alt-tab, on the other hand, rocks:
    alttabcu5.png
    (don't mind the messy desktop!!)

    Hovering the mouse over a taskbar item also brings up that window's thumbnail. Very useful!

    ecchi on
  • scootchscootch Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    my alt+doesn't do that.. wheres the setting for it?

    edit: nm.. my features are disabled thanks to WGA server crash. Yay for WGA!

    scootch on
    TF2 stats
    PSN: super_emu
    Xbox360 Gamertag: Emuchop
  • ecchiecchi Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    You can't do a phone-in activation or anything? Do you have any links for more info? I can't find any news posts about a WGA outage anywhere.

    ecchi on
  • scootchscootch Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Vista is already activated.
    I just can't pass WGA. and If I can't pass WGA that means I get constant pop-ups reminding me that my copy might be pirated.


    http://forums.microsoft.com/Genuine/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=2053834&SiteID=25

    scootch on
    TF2 stats
    PSN: super_emu
    Xbox360 Gamertag: Emuchop
  • Fartacus_the_MightyFartacus_the_Mighty Brought to you by the letter A.Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Vista shouldn't even be phoning home unless you're updating or something. Does this mean I'll lose OS features if I unplug my internet to do some gaming sans-firewall/av? Also, not forcing 64bit is a travesty.

    Back on topic: if you can find stable drivers for your hardware, then Vista should be mostly compatible with your software.

    Fartacus_the_Mighty on
  • victor_c26victor_c26 Chicago, ILRegistered User regular
    edited August 2007
    powersurge wrote: »
    TBH Vista isn't worth it. I've run into XP era games that I can't get to install at all (yeah yeah Rise and Fall Civ at War wasn't the most popular RTS but I liked it dammit) and several games that have issues (anywhere from crashes to punkbuster problems). I was full Vista for a couple of months till I got tired of it. I'm dual booting now. I just have a small Vista partition for Vista only stuff.

    As for 32bit VS 64bit I'd go with 32bit. No games really take advantage of 64bit and drivers and support are slower to get to the 64bit side of things still.

    At least on the flip side the UI is really nice and easy on the eyes and its got some neat features. Its just got crappy support atm more so for games. (BTW games purchased via steam still do not show up in the games explorer) Drivers are getting better I think but its still not XP stability. Hopefully the rumored Vista SP1 this fall will change things.

    They did when I first installed Vista on an old 80 gig HDD.

    Since that drive died last weekend, I had to order a new HDD and install Vista on that, and now they're not showing up. They might show up in time though. The same thing happened with my original Vista install. Steam games just eventually appeared in the games explorer.

    victor_c26 on
    It's been so long since I've posted here, I've removed my signature since most of what I had here were broken links. Shows over, you can carry on to the next post.
  • Oddjob187Oddjob187 Pew TorontoRegistered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Wow vista is, different. It's like going from Windows ME to XP. This will take some getting used to. Hopefully tomorrow I can wire it up to the net and start testing games and stuff.

    Another excellent thread in penny arcade.

    Oddjob187 on
  • cfgausscfgauss Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    I haven't had any trouble running any games that worked in XP in Vista, except for older DOS games that you should be using doxbox for, anyway. I used 64-bit vista in the betas, and didn't have a problem with it except for a few driver issues. By the time the Vista RTM was out, everything I had had drivers except for my printer and crappy creative sound card. And now I think everything except old hardware has 64-bit drivers.

    The 64-bit drivers are actually supposed to be better, IIRC, than the 32-bit ones because they have stricter standards, but I don't know how good the current 64-bit drivers are since I'm using 32-bit vista for my printer.

    Vista really is like the difference between ME and XP. I haven't ever actually had it blue screen on me, even when I was using the early betas, which is really amazing. And almost all of the blue screen problems I read about are due to actual hardware problems.

    cfgauss on
    The hero and protagonist, whose story the book follows, is the aptly-named Hiro Protagonist: "Last of the freelance hackers and Greatest sword fighter in the world." When Hiro loses his job as a pizza delivery driver for the Mafia, he meets a streetwise young girl nicknamed Y.T. (short for Yours Truly), who works as a skateboard "Kourier", and they decide to become partners in the intelligence business.
  • jonxpjonxp [E] PC Security Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Wow! I never used the Game Explorer before in Vista (I either used the the Start Menu Search or Steam). I thought it was just the equivalent of a shortcut to the Games folder.

    It has all of my Steam games in it , though.

    jonxp on
    Every time you write parallel fifths, Bach kills a kitten.
    3DS Friend Code: 2707-1614-5576
    PAX Prime 2014 Buttoneering!
  • MonaroMonaro Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Does anyone have any opinions on their complete rewrite of how sound is handled (ie no hardware acceleration)? Basically making us suckers with fancy sound cards worthless? :\

    Link for anyone interested.

    Monaro on
    steam_sig.png
  • RookRook Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Monaro wrote: »
    Does anyone have any opinions on their complete rewrite of how sound is handled (ie no hardware acceleration)? Basically making us suckers with fancy sound cards worthless? :\

    Link for anyone interested.

    That's being "fixed" in Dx10.1.

    Rook on
  • eobeteobet 8-bit childhood SwedenRegistered User regular
    edited August 2007
    scootch wrote: »
    my alt+doesn't do that.. wheres the setting for it?

    edit: nm.. my features are disabled thanks to WGA server crash. Yay for WGA!

    Wait, did you just say that because one of Microsofts servers on the internet went down, your local copy of Windows disabled certain features?

    My god, I'm so glad I buy games for consoles instead and use a Mac for everything else.

    eobet on
    Heard the proposition that RIAA and MPAA should join forces and form "Music And Film Industry Association"?
  • scootchscootch Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Vista shouldn't even be phoning home unless you're updating or something. Does this mean I'll lose OS features if I unplug my internet to do some gaming sans-firewall/av? Also, not forcing 64bit is a travesty.

    Back on topic: if you can find stable drivers for your hardware, then Vista should be mostly compatible with your software.

    it doesn't phone home. I was updating my directx.

    scootch on
    TF2 stats
    PSN: super_emu
    Xbox360 Gamertag: Emuchop
  • scootchscootch Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Rook wrote: »
    Monaro wrote: »
    Does anyone have any opinions on their complete rewrite of how sound is handled (ie no hardware acceleration)? Basically making us suckers with fancy sound cards worthless? :\

    Link for anyone interested.

    That's being "fixed" in Dx10.1.

    hold on.. I thought all that need was drivers being reworked. I know creative labs already released a beta version of something for getting all those neat sound things back.

    scootch on
    TF2 stats
    PSN: super_emu
    Xbox360 Gamertag: Emuchop
  • stigweardstigweard Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Alchemy is a wrapper, kind of like the old video wrappers that were used in the voodoo days. They translate the eax calls to something that can be processed by the new sound subsystem.

    stigweard on
  • BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
    edited August 2007
    Die by the Sword still doesn't work, which makes me sad on the inside. The game was quasi-dos based, and only somewhat worked under Windows XP, in Vista it simply doesn't load.

    Brolo on
  • FirebrandFirebrand Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    I see on Creative's website that they're charging $9.99 for the Audigy version of ALchemy. D:

    Firebrand on
  • scootchscootch Registered User regular
    edited August 2007
    WGA is back online atleast. thank god.

    scootch on
    TF2 stats
    PSN: super_emu
    Xbox360 Gamertag: Emuchop
Sign In or Register to comment.