I am curious, what do you guys know about running two computers off one internet connection? My DSL modem doesn't have another jack for a second pc, so I guess Modem - Router - PC1/PC2?
I'm just not sure how to proceed from there, I don't think my ISP will be cool with two people trying to log into the same account.
I am curious, what do you guys know about running two computers off one internet connection? My DSL modem doesn't have another jack for a second pc, so I guess Modem - Router - PC1/PC2?
I'm just not sure how to proceed from there, I don't think my ISP will be cool with two people trying to log into the same account.
Don't worry. Routers have firmware that let you set up the User and Password for the account from within the router itself.
Meaning, once you set up the router, that only counts as "1 PC logged into the account at 1 time."
The computers that connect to the router don't even have to log in after that. They just let the router do the work.
in short, going "Modem->router->PC1+PC2" absolutely will work and you have nothing to worry about. Just make sure you set up the firmware with your PPPOE properly (which is very simple and easy to do)
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Also, most ISPs don't care if you use a router or not. Their policy is usually, "Use a router if you want to, but don't expect any support from us if something doesn't work or goes wrong."
I am curious, what do you guys know about running two computers off one internet connection? My DSL modem doesn't have another jack for a second pc, so I guess Modem - Router - PC1/PC2?
I'm just not sure how to proceed from there, I don't think my ISP will be cool with two people trying to log into the same account.
Don't worry. Routers have firmware that let you set up the User and Password for the account from within the router itself.
Meaning, once you set up the router, that only counts as "1 PC logged into the account at 1 time."
The computers that connect to the router don't even have to log in after that. They just let the router do the work.
in short, going "Modem->router->PC1+PC2" absolutely will work and you have nothing to worry about. Just make sure you set up the firmware with your PPPOE properly (which is very simple and easy to do)
edit:
Also, most ISPs don't care if you use a router or not. Their policy is usually, "Use a router if you want to, but don't expect any support from us if something doesn't work or goes wrong."
I see on Creative's website that they're charging $9.99 for the Audigy version of ALchemy.
Creative are a bunch of bastards and you really should avoid buying their stuff if possible. Seriously. If onboard sound isn't good enough for you, get a Turtle Beach or Auzentech or some other sound card.
It's wired and wireless. I googled the model number and found the Manual on the Dlink website, and it says that it supports PPPOE in the manual.
I'm assuming your DSL connection is based on PPPOE, it usually is.
Anyway, just about any modern router will support PPPOE. Linksys and Netgears pretty much definitely will, the ones that are out now. The cheaper ones may be a case by case basis though; but as an example, that dlink supports it.
I'd probably recommend a Linksys or Netgear over dlink though. But it depends on how much you want to spend.
edit: PPPOE means "Point to Point Protocol over Ethernet" iirc. It's that thing that requires you to sign in an account every time you want to log into your DSL connection.
I love linux, but anyone who tries to suggest even the distros made to be easy to use (ubuntu comes to mind instantly) are easier to use than windows for most people is crazy. Theres just too much stuff that still needs to be done via the command line to get good results.
So if I have a router hooked up my the modem, I need to access the router and log it onto the ISP from either computer, and once it's on it works for both PC's until the connection is turned off?
No. You setup the internet connection for pppoe in the router settings and when you want to use the internt, you just do it like you are directly connected. The router will autonnect for you, no hassle.
I love linux, but anyone who tries to suggest even the distros made to be easy to use (ubuntu comes to mind instantly) are easier to use than windows for most people is crazy. Theres just too much stuff that still needs to be done via the command line to get good results.
I want to clarify that you mean the clinical, in a white padded room so you can't hurt yourself crazy, not the "hey look at that guy he uses linux crazy." Something is seriously wrong with you if you think anything with help files that look like this is good: -l
DO NOT EVER USE THIS IT WILL RUIN YOUR COMPUTER
-I
ALWAYS USE THIS OR YOUR COMPUTER WILL BE RUINED
Thanks, crappy console font.
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The hero and protagonist, whose story the book follows, is the aptly-named Hiro Protagonist: "Last of the freelance hackers and Greatest sword fighter in the world." When Hiro loses his job as a pizza delivery driver for the Mafia, he meets a streetwise young girl nicknamed Y.T. (short for Yours Truly), who works as a skateboard "Kourier", and they decide to become partners in the intelligence business.
Different strokes for different folks. I grew up with a console and feel quite at home with it. Plus it only takes me 15 minutes to setup Linux for everyday use.
Edit: If you mess up something in a configuration file you can easly change it back. If it was something that somehow broke the x-server you can just load the console and change it back. That's the beauty of Linux.
So if I have a router hooked up my the modem, I need to access the router and log it onto the ISP from either computer, and once it's on it works for both PC's until the connection is turned off?
Hmm, tomorrow morning I shall visit bestbuy.
Here's how it works.
You'll unhook the ethernet cable going from your Modem to your computer. You'll plug the Router into a power supply. You'll put the ethernet cable from your Modem into the 'WAN' port on the Router. You'll then take another ethernet cord and plug it in from one of your PCs into a slot on the Router. You will then unplug and replug in both the modem and router, and let the various blinking lights finish blinking. You'll then boot up your PC. You will open a web browser, and type in the IP address of the router. You'll access the 'basic settings' of the router, and you'll be able to tell it that you're using a PPPOE connection. You'll enter your account's User name and Password. You'll save the settings, and close the browser. A few seconds later, the Router will have had time to log into the DSL account on its own. At this point, you can open a web browser, and you can access the internet. You will then plug another ethernet cord from your second PC into another port on the Router. You will boot it up. It will automatically be connected to the internet once it's finally booted up.
*this is all assuming you use hardwire, rather than wireless.
Different strokes for different folks. I grew up with a console and feel quite at home with it. Plus it only takes me 15 minutes to setup Linux for everyday use.
One of my astronomy professors, who uses Linux every day for his research, and has for years, for a class in using Linux for data reduction said, "make sure you back up your data constantly, because on any real project you're likely to delete everything, or find some new way to totally destroy all of your data every few months." And then went on to explain we had to find some kind of admin to fix our stuff when we raped our accounts.
On the other hand, the last time I managed to totally fuck up a Windows system was in DOS (not counting hardware problems or viruses).
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The hero and protagonist, whose story the book follows, is the aptly-named Hiro Protagonist: "Last of the freelance hackers and Greatest sword fighter in the world." When Hiro loses his job as a pizza delivery driver for the Mafia, he meets a streetwise young girl nicknamed Y.T. (short for Yours Truly), who works as a skateboard "Kourier", and they decide to become partners in the intelligence business.
So if I have a router hooked up my the modem, I need to access the router and log it onto the ISP from either computer, and once it's on it works for both PC's until the connection is turned off?
Hmm, tomorrow morning I shall visit bestbuy.
Here's how it works.
You'll unhook the ethernet cable going from your Modem to your computer. You'll plug the Router into a power supply. You'll put the ethernet cable from your Modem into the 'WAN' port on the Router. You'll then take another ethernet cord and plug it in from one of your PCs into a slot on the Router. You will then unplug and replug in both the modem and router, and let the various blinking lights finish blinking. You'll then boot up your PC. You will open a web browser, and type in the IP address of the router. You'll access the 'basic settings' of the router, and you'll be able to tell it that you're using a PPPOE connection. You'll enter your account's User name and Password. You'll save the settings, and close the browser. A few seconds later, the Router will have had time to log into the DSL account on its own. At this point, you can open a web browser, and you can access the internet. You will then plug another ethernet cord from your second PC into another port on the Router. You will boot it up. It will automatically be connected to the internet once it's finally booted up.
*this is all assuming you use hardwire, rather than wireless.
You sir are a god amongst us mere mortals.
Not as easy as it sounds it seems. I have my username/pw into the Linksy setup page, set to PPPOE and when I save the settings it takes a second then connects, but the internet is not active. I can still get on the internet by using the ISP's dial in program though but that doesn't help the second PC which of course is another problem all together. Being vista, its new to me and I have it hooked up to the router at the moment but the second PC doesn't know its wired into a network which of course doesn't matter to much at the moment since I can't get the router to dial in to the ISP. Oh snap, I've gone cross eyed.
*Hm, now it seems to work. I fiddled with my password a few times and now it seems to be saving properly. The second PC still doesn't even show plugged into the router. Hmm
Maybe I have bad network cable running to the second PC or something? I have the internet up and working 100% on PC1 but PC2 isn't even showing as plugged into the router, and PC2 doesn't show any sort of network connection.
Anyone up to snuff with Vista got any ideas?
*It's not a bunged up slot on the Router since I've moved both cables between the ports and PC1 works every time.
I see on Creative's website that they're charging $9.99 for the Audigy version of ALchemy.
Creative are a bunch of bastards and you really should avoid buying their stuff if possible. Seriously. If onboard sound isn't good enough for you, get a Turtle Beach or Auzentech or some other sound card.
I finally caved in and bought a creative soundcard a few months ago (x-fi fatality). My problem was that the nvidia sound drivers (for my nforce 4 based mobo) caused occasional bluescreens in xp and near constant bsods in vista. So, I switched to the proper realtek drivers. They worked better than the nvidia ones in xp but I had all sorts of weird sound issues in Vista.
The creative soundcard annoyed me at first as it installs a load of crap, I actually decided to uninstall and install just the drivers. Works great now, but it still has one too many processes for my liking. But, all my games sound better and have no weird issues in xp or vista.
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Different strokes for different folks. I grew up with a console and feel quite at home with it. Plus it only takes me 15 minutes to setup Linux for everyday use.
One of my astronomy professors, who uses Linux every day for his research, and has for years, for a class in using Linux for data reduction said, "make sure you back up your data constantly, because on any real project you're likely to delete everything, or find some new way to totally destroy all of your data every few months." And then went on to explain we had to find some kind of admin to fix our stuff when we raped our accounts.
On the other hand, the last time I managed to totally fuck up a Windows system was in DOS (not counting hardware problems or viruses).
Heh, that's called being really really bad at Linux.
The reason people use Linux for that kind of thing in the first place is that that never happens.
Different strokes for different folks. I grew up with a console and feel quite at home with it. Plus it only takes me 15 minutes to setup Linux for everyday use.
One of my astronomy professors, who uses Linux every day for his research, and has for years, for a class in using Linux for data reduction said, "make sure you back up your data constantly, because on any real project you're likely to delete everything, or find some new way to totally destroy all of your data every few months." And then went on to explain we had to find some kind of admin to fix our stuff when we raped our accounts.
On the other hand, the last time I managed to totally fuck up a Windows system was in DOS (not counting hardware problems or viruses).
Heh, that's called being really really bad at Linux.
The reason people use Linux for that kind of thing in the first place is that that never happens.
No, it happens all the time, especially if you're a novice at Linux. Remember that most users are permanent newbies, and can not (or will not) learn anything about using this $1000 piece of hardware they are operating. Trying to follow conf editing/kernel configuration/whatever instructions so you can get your favorite piece of hardware or software to work is a minefield of out of date (and just plain bad) advice. I use Ubuntu Linux, XP, and Vista for my desktops on a daily basis (Gentoo for servers, but that's not related to this), but I do not have any illusions whatsoever that Linux is easier for a layman to use than Windows. If nothing else, the amount of money that Microsoft has poured into UI R&D puts it ahead of Gnome and KDE with their "What the developer likes best and/or thinks the user will like best" philosophies. Human interface is not something that open source software has quite mastered yet, mainly because it does not have the time or resources to do the kind of research that is needed for that.
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Different strokes for different folks. I grew up with a console and feel quite at home with it. Plus it only takes me 15 minutes to setup Linux for everyday use.
One of my astronomy professors, who uses Linux every day for his research, and has for years, for a class in using Linux for data reduction said, "make sure you back up your data constantly, because on any real project you're likely to delete everything, or find some new way to totally destroy all of your data every few months." And then went on to explain we had to find some kind of admin to fix our stuff when we raped our accounts.
On the other hand, the last time I managed to totally fuck up a Windows system was in DOS (not counting hardware problems or viruses).
Heh, that's called being really really bad at Linux.
The reason people use Linux for that kind of thing in the first place is that that never happens.
No, it happens all the time, especially if you're a novice at Linux. Remember that most users are permanent newbies, and can not (or will not) learn anything about using this $1000 piece of hardware they are operating. Trying to follow conf editing/kernel configuration/whatever instructions so you can get your favorite piece of hardware or software to work is a minefield of out of date (and just plain bad) advice. I use Ubuntu Linux, XP, and Vista for my desktops on a daily basis (Gentoo for servers, but that's not related to this), but I do not have any illusions whatsoever that Linux is easier for a layman to use than Windows. If nothing else, the amount of money that Microsoft has poured into UI R&D puts it ahead of Gnome and KDE with their "What the developer likes best and/or thinks the user will like best" philosophies. Human interface is not something that open source software has quite mastered yet, mainly because it does not have the time or resources to do the kind of research that is needed for that.
I meant for experienced users. Most people have never had Linux crash on them or had random formats of their data. Even when I was new it never crashed for me and any problem caused by me could easly be undone. If you are constantly having this problem you have no idea what you're doing.
For regular users (Internet, e-mail, music, YouTube), Ubuntu wont give them any trouble it all if they have someone else set it up.
I agree with the UI though. But that isn't a problem for something like Firefox, whatever e-mail program you happen to be using, or Amarok, which are programs regular users are most likely to use on a daily basis.
Maybe I have bad network cable running to the second PC or something? I have the internet up and working 100% on PC1 but PC2 isn't even showing as plugged into the router, and PC2 doesn't show any sort of network connection.
Anyone up to snuff with Vista got any ideas?
*It's not a bunged up slot on the Router since I've moved both cables between the ports and PC1 works every time.
The network card could be disabled on the PC2.
See if you can make sure that the network card on PC2 is set up properly and enabled.
Otherwise, it's possible that it's the network cable.. if you could try another one, you should.
*When you plug an ethernet cable from a PC to a router, there should be a 'Link' light coming on on the network card on the PC, and the light for the port should come on on the router (like it does for PC1). Since it does not, it's possible it's the cable. But if it's not the cable, there could be setup problems or hardware problems with the network card on PC2. It's best to try another network cable first, because that's the easiest thing. if that doesn't make it work, then trying to check the software on the network card and settings is the second step.. the last step is trying to see if there are issues with the network card itself.
edit: you can also try unplugging PC1 and seeing if you can get a connection on PC2 first... if you find that you're only getting a connection on one PC or the other but not both at the same time, then there is a different issue at hand.
Maybe I have bad network cable running to the second PC or something? I have the internet up and working 100% on PC1 but PC2 isn't even showing as plugged into the router, and PC2 doesn't show any sort of network connection.
Anyone up to snuff with Vista got any ideas?
*It's not a bunged up slot on the Router since I've moved both cables between the ports and PC1 works every time.
The network card could be disabled on the PC2.
See if you can make sure that the network card on PC2 is set up properly and enabled.
Otherwise, it's possible that it's the network cable.. if you could try another one, you should.
*When you plug an ethernet cable from a PC to a router, there should be a 'Link' light coming on on the network card on the PC, and the light for the port should come on on the router (like it does for PC1). Since it does not, it's possible it's the cable. But if it's not the cable, there could be setup problems or hardware problems with the network card on PC2. It's best to try another network cable first, because that's the easiest thing. if that doesn't make it work, then trying to check the software on the network card and settings is the second step.. the last step is trying to see if there are issues with the network card itself.
Long story short, when I had the PC built I was so fascinated with the quad core box I didn't notice there was no network card. So i went to bestbuy, bought it, used a hammer to get it in and I didnt have to do anything else. Plugged in the cable and I had internet with PC1 off but power to the modem and Router.
Thanks guys, time to view the internet in 22" wide screen.
Different strokes for different folks. I grew up with a console and feel quite at home with it. Plus it only takes me 15 minutes to setup Linux for everyday use.
One of my astronomy professors, who uses Linux every day for his research, and has for years, for a class in using Linux for data reduction said, "make sure you back up your data constantly, because on any real project you're likely to delete everything, or find some new way to totally destroy all of your data every few months." And then went on to explain we had to find some kind of admin to fix our stuff when we raped our accounts.
On the other hand, the last time I managed to totally fuck up a Windows system was in DOS (not counting hardware problems or viruses).
Heh, that's called being really really bad at Linux.
The reason people use Linux for that kind of thing in the first place is that that never happens.
No, it happens all the time, especially if you're a novice at Linux. Remember that most users are permanent newbies, and can not (or will not) learn anything about using this $1000 piece of hardware they are operating. Trying to follow conf editing/kernel configuration/whatever instructions so you can get your favorite piece of hardware or software to work is a minefield of out of date (and just plain bad) advice. I use Ubuntu Linux, XP, and Vista for my desktops on a daily basis (Gentoo for servers, but that's not related to this), but I do not have any illusions whatsoever that Linux is easier for a layman to use than Windows. If nothing else, the amount of money that Microsoft has poured into UI R&D puts it ahead of Gnome and KDE with their "What the developer likes best and/or thinks the user will like best" philosophies. Human interface is not something that open source software has quite mastered yet, mainly because it does not have the time or resources to do the kind of research that is needed for that.
I meant for experienced users. Most people have never had Linux crash on them or had random formats of their data. Even when I was new it never crashed for me and any problem caused by me could easly be undone. If you are constantly having this problem you have no idea what you're doing.
For regular users (Internet, e-mail, music, YouTube), Ubuntu wont give them any trouble it all if they have someone else set it up.
I agree with the UI though. But that isn't a problem for something like Firefox, whatever e-mail program you happen to be using, or Amarok, which are programs regular users are most likely to use on a daily basis.
Unfortunately, I have had Linux crash a lot. I installed Ubuntu on two different computers for my wife...on one it refused to even boot, and on the other it could not run for more than a few hours without a full system lockup (there was a bug in the network driver on the system). Graphics drivers have often caused lockups on my own machines, as well as some undiagnosed crashes which I suspect have to do with the I/O system (they happened when I had heavy amounts of traffic going to and from the HDs). Nothing is "crash proof" especially when you depend on drivers of unknown quality that run in kernel space (incidentally, this is why Macs don't crash nearly as much, they write all their own drivers since they do not support much hardware).
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Different strokes for different folks. I grew up with a console and feel quite at home with it. Plus it only takes me 15 minutes to setup Linux for everyday use.
One of my astronomy professors, who uses Linux every day for his research, and has for years, for a class in using Linux for data reduction said, "make sure you back up your data constantly, because on any real project you're likely to delete everything, or find some new way to totally destroy all of your data every few months." And then went on to explain we had to find some kind of admin to fix our stuff when we raped our accounts.
On the other hand, the last time I managed to totally fuck up a Windows system was in DOS (not counting hardware problems or viruses).
Heh, that's called being really really bad at Linux.
The reason people use Linux for that kind of thing in the first place is that that never happens.
No, it happens all the time, especially if you're a novice at Linux. Remember that most users are permanent newbies, and can not (or will not) learn anything about using this $1000 piece of hardware they are operating. Trying to follow conf editing/kernel configuration/whatever instructions so you can get your favorite piece of hardware or software to work is a minefield of out of date (and just plain bad) advice. I use Ubuntu Linux, XP, and Vista for my desktops on a daily basis (Gentoo for servers, but that's not related to this), but I do not have any illusions whatsoever that Linux is easier for a layman to use than Windows. If nothing else, the amount of money that Microsoft has poured into UI R&D puts it ahead of Gnome and KDE with their "What the developer likes best and/or thinks the user will like best" philosophies. Human interface is not something that open source software has quite mastered yet, mainly because it does not have the time or resources to do the kind of research that is needed for that.
I meant for experienced users. Most people have never had Linux crash on them or had random formats of their data. Even when I was new it never crashed for me and any problem caused by me could easly be undone. If you are constantly having this problem you have no idea what you're doing.
For regular users (Internet, e-mail, music, YouTube), Ubuntu wont give them any trouble it all if they have someone else set it up.
I agree with the UI though. But that isn't a problem for something like Firefox, whatever e-mail program you happen to be using, or Amarok, which are programs regular users are most likely to use on a daily basis.
Unfortunately, I have had Linux crash a lot. I installed Ubuntu on two different computers for my wife...on one it refused to even boot, and on the other it could not run for more than a few hours without a full system lockup (there was a bug in the network driver on the system). Graphics drivers have often caused lockups on my own machines, as well as some undiagnosed crashes which I suspect have to do with the I/O system (they happened when I had heavy amounts of traffic going to and from the HDs). Nothing is "crash proof" especially when you depend on drivers of unknown quality that run in kernel space (incidentally, this is why Macs don't crash nearly as much, they write all their own drivers since they do not support much hardware).
I've never had that problem. Then again I buy more mainstream hardware that everything supports.
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I'm just not sure how to proceed from there, I don't think my ISP will be cool with two people trying to log into the same account.
Don't worry. Routers have firmware that let you set up the User and Password for the account from within the router itself.
Meaning, once you set up the router, that only counts as "1 PC logged into the account at 1 time."
The computers that connect to the router don't even have to log in after that. They just let the router do the work.
in short, going "Modem->router->PC1+PC2" absolutely will work and you have nothing to worry about. Just make sure you set up the firmware with your PPPOE properly (which is very simple and easy to do)
edit:
Also, most ISPs don't care if you use a router or not. Their policy is usually, "Use a router if you want to, but don't expect any support from us if something doesn't work or goes wrong."
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Thanks, I'll try to figure this out now.
*I'm assuming your DSL uses PPPOE to connect. This is usually the case.
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Creative are a bunch of bastards and you really should avoid buying their stuff if possible. Seriously. If onboard sound isn't good enough for you, get a Turtle Beach or Auzentech or some other sound card.
I'm not exactly sure what PPPOE means to be honest. I have an old router here from a few years ago, but I am going to assume it wont work.
Browsing through bestbuy and what not, they don't list any PPPOE stuff. Hmm.
I shall investigate, and use a hammer and blow torch if nessesary!
Burn the heretic. Er I mean...
Apparently Best Buy's website doesn't go into depth about its features, but just a quick Best Buy.com search brought up this one:
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7650455&type=product&id=1134699413343
It's wired and wireless. I googled the model number and found the Manual on the Dlink website, and it says that it supports PPPOE in the manual.
I'm assuming your DSL connection is based on PPPOE, it usually is.
Anyway, just about any modern router will support PPPOE. Linksys and Netgears pretty much definitely will, the ones that are out now. The cheaper ones may be a case by case basis though; but as an example, that dlink supports it.
I'd probably recommend a Linksys or Netgear over dlink though. But it depends on how much you want to spend.
edit: PPPOE means "Point to Point Protocol over Ethernet" iirc. It's that thing that requires you to sign in an account every time you want to log into your DSL connection.
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Hmm, tomorrow morning I shall visit bestbuy.
I want to clarify that you mean the clinical, in a white padded room so you can't hurt yourself crazy, not the "hey look at that guy he uses linux crazy." Something is seriously wrong with you if you think anything with help files that look like this is good:
-l
DO NOT EVER USE THIS IT WILL RUIN YOUR COMPUTER
-I
ALWAYS USE THIS OR YOUR COMPUTER WILL BE RUINED
Thanks, crappy console font.
Edit: If you mess up something in a configuration file you can easly change it back. If it was something that somehow broke the x-server you can just load the console and change it back. That's the beauty of Linux.
Here's how it works.
You'll unhook the ethernet cable going from your Modem to your computer. You'll plug the Router into a power supply. You'll put the ethernet cable from your Modem into the 'WAN' port on the Router. You'll then take another ethernet cord and plug it in from one of your PCs into a slot on the Router. You will then unplug and replug in both the modem and router, and let the various blinking lights finish blinking. You'll then boot up your PC. You will open a web browser, and type in the IP address of the router. You'll access the 'basic settings' of the router, and you'll be able to tell it that you're using a PPPOE connection. You'll enter your account's User name and Password. You'll save the settings, and close the browser. A few seconds later, the Router will have had time to log into the DSL account on its own. At this point, you can open a web browser, and you can access the internet. You will then plug another ethernet cord from your second PC into another port on the Router. You will boot it up. It will automatically be connected to the internet once it's finally booted up.
*this is all assuming you use hardwire, rather than wireless.
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One of my astronomy professors, who uses Linux every day for his research, and has for years, for a class in using Linux for data reduction said, "make sure you back up your data constantly, because on any real project you're likely to delete everything, or find some new way to totally destroy all of your data every few months." And then went on to explain we had to find some kind of admin to fix our stuff when we raped our accounts.
On the other hand, the last time I managed to totally fuck up a Windows system was in DOS (not counting hardware problems or viruses).
You sir are a god amongst us mere mortals.
Not as easy as it sounds it seems. I have my username/pw into the Linksy setup page, set to PPPOE and when I save the settings it takes a second then connects, but the internet is not active. I can still get on the internet by using the ISP's dial in program though but that doesn't help the second PC which of course is another problem all together. Being vista, its new to me and I have it hooked up to the router at the moment but the second PC doesn't know its wired into a network which of course doesn't matter to much at the moment since I can't get the router to dial in to the ISP. Oh snap, I've gone cross eyed.
*Hm, now it seems to work. I fiddled with my password a few times and now it seems to be saving properly. The second PC still doesn't even show plugged into the router. Hmm
Anyone up to snuff with Vista got any ideas?
*It's not a bunged up slot on the Router since I've moved both cables between the ports and PC1 works every time.
I finally caved in and bought a creative soundcard a few months ago (x-fi fatality). My problem was that the nvidia sound drivers (for my nforce 4 based mobo) caused occasional bluescreens in xp and near constant bsods in vista. So, I switched to the proper realtek drivers. They worked better than the nvidia ones in xp but I had all sorts of weird sound issues in Vista.
The creative soundcard annoyed me at first as it installs a load of crap, I actually decided to uninstall and install just the drivers. Works great now, but it still has one too many processes for my liking. But, all my games sound better and have no weird issues in xp or vista.
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Heh, that's called being really really bad at Linux.
The reason people use Linux for that kind of thing in the first place is that that never happens.
No, it happens all the time, especially if you're a novice at Linux. Remember that most users are permanent newbies, and can not (or will not) learn anything about using this $1000 piece of hardware they are operating. Trying to follow conf editing/kernel configuration/whatever instructions so you can get your favorite piece of hardware or software to work is a minefield of out of date (and just plain bad) advice. I use Ubuntu Linux, XP, and Vista for my desktops on a daily basis (Gentoo for servers, but that's not related to this), but I do not have any illusions whatsoever that Linux is easier for a layman to use than Windows. If nothing else, the amount of money that Microsoft has poured into UI R&D puts it ahead of Gnome and KDE with their "What the developer likes best and/or thinks the user will like best" philosophies. Human interface is not something that open source software has quite mastered yet, mainly because it does not have the time or resources to do the kind of research that is needed for that.
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I meant for experienced users. Most people have never had Linux crash on them or had random formats of their data. Even when I was new it never crashed for me and any problem caused by me could easly be undone. If you are constantly having this problem you have no idea what you're doing.
For regular users (Internet, e-mail, music, YouTube), Ubuntu wont give them any trouble it all if they have someone else set it up.
I agree with the UI though. But that isn't a problem for something like Firefox, whatever e-mail program you happen to be using, or Amarok, which are programs regular users are most likely to use on a daily basis.
The network card could be disabled on the PC2.
See if you can make sure that the network card on PC2 is set up properly and enabled.
Otherwise, it's possible that it's the network cable.. if you could try another one, you should.
*When you plug an ethernet cable from a PC to a router, there should be a 'Link' light coming on on the network card on the PC, and the light for the port should come on on the router (like it does for PC1). Since it does not, it's possible it's the cable. But if it's not the cable, there could be setup problems or hardware problems with the network card on PC2. It's best to try another network cable first, because that's the easiest thing. if that doesn't make it work, then trying to check the software on the network card and settings is the second step.. the last step is trying to see if there are issues with the network card itself.
edit: you can also try unplugging PC1 and seeing if you can get a connection on PC2 first... if you find that you're only getting a connection on one PC or the other but not both at the same time, then there is a different issue at hand.
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Long story short, when I had the PC built I was so fascinated with the quad core box I didn't notice there was no network card. So i went to bestbuy, bought it, used a hammer to get it in and I didnt have to do anything else. Plugged in the cable and I had internet with PC1 off but power to the modem and Router.
Thanks guys, time to view the internet in 22" wide screen.
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Unfortunately, I have had Linux crash a lot. I installed Ubuntu on two different computers for my wife...on one it refused to even boot, and on the other it could not run for more than a few hours without a full system lockup (there was a bug in the network driver on the system). Graphics drivers have often caused lockups on my own machines, as well as some undiagnosed crashes which I suspect have to do with the I/O system (they happened when I had heavy amounts of traffic going to and from the HDs). Nothing is "crash proof" especially when you depend on drivers of unknown quality that run in kernel space (incidentally, this is why Macs don't crash nearly as much, they write all their own drivers since they do not support much hardware).
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I've never had that problem. Then again I buy more mainstream hardware that everything supports.