Basically, I'm saying that the story has been done before, and the "Big Questions" have been asked in other media. Not just the high literature bullshit of Ayn Rand (God I hate that woman), but other games as well.
Yeah, it's a fun game, but it's SS2 with a graphical facelift and some lightweight philosophy.
Basically, I'm saying that the story has been done before, and the "Big Questions" have been asked in other media. Not just the high literature bullshit of Ayn Rand (God I hate that woman), but other games as well.
Yeah, it's a fun game, but it's SS2 with a graphical facelift and some lightweight philosophy.
I'd disagree that the philosophy is lightweight, but that's my opinion --
-- and besides, the fact that we're sitting here arguing about philosophical content in a goddamn FPS says a lot. "Other media" is one thing, but we're not discussing 401 video, computer games, books, film and assorted short stories of which you need to partake before you die. We're talking games, and any game (FPS especially) that can raise the bar in terms of content, the level of discussion, and yes, philosophy in particular while maintaining a brilliantly written and presented narrative (and maintain the gameplay to back it up) is an astounding achievement.
And John Galt has epic goddamn monologues. And not "epic" in the positive sense, either.
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I think people don't get the point of this list. There's a lot of people tossing in their favorite series, their favorite developer's stuff, etc. This kind of list is more about representation, in which the pinnacle, or pinnacles, if the titles are compelling enough, of an aspect of gaming is represented.
Story? Grim Fandango, hands down, is one of those pinnacles. 3D platform gaming? Mario 64 gets my vote. Traditional Western RPG gameplay? KOTOR for me. Traditional JRPG gameplay? One of the Dragon Quests, but they also cover the whole cultural phenomenon thing.
So, when thinking about why a game should be included on the list, think about an aspect of it that makes it, independent from other considerations, worthy of being on the list, and make that argument. Don't just toss it out there, give a reason for it. Certain games are no-brainers (Pong, maybe Asteroids, possibly that very first Star Wars arcade game), but for ones that the argument isn't just plain obvious, give reasons, give arguments, and contribute.
Sure, MGS's story is amazing if William Shatner is your favorite actor, and you think that Matrix Reloaded represents apex of storytelling. But seriously, I think that one Metal Gear Solid is more than enough, but I don't know which one would be better; MGS1 or 3. MGS3 is better game per se, but MGS is the original one.
I'd have to say MGS3. It took all the things that make MGS so compelling and combined them most effectively.
I think it's a forum list and therefore shouldn't be too harshly regulated
Although I would agree with picking whichever game was "the best" out of a series being a good idea, because otherwise we're pretty much making a list of all games we've ever played
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If it's not in the list, I would Say RE4 Wii Edition belongs in there for being the best version of an excellent game.
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Judge-ZTeacher, for Great JusticeUpstate NYRegistered Userregular
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I didn't see Starflight and/or Star Control II on the list yet, both for their open ended gameplay, large universes, and in Starflight's case in particular, pushing the limit of what was possible on the storage medium of the day (5 1/4 floppies).
I also didn't see Elite on the list which inspired the creation of the whole open ended space sim genre, although Wing Commander: Privateer may be a better choice as a game that really was the pinnacle of said genre.
Speaking of the Wing Commander series, how about WC 1 for melding the space sim with an engaging narrative, characters, backstory, and branching mission structure?
Moving to the strategy genre, I'll nominate Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri. That game was near perfection. I'd love for Sid to do an update similar to what he did for Pirates!.
Basically, I'm saying that the story has been done before, and the "Big Questions" have been asked in other media. Not just the high literature bullshit of Ayn Rand (God I hate that woman), but other games as well.
Yeah, it's a fun game, but it's SS2 with a graphical facelift and some lightweight philosophy.
I'd disagree that the philosophy is lightweight, but that's my opinion --
-- and besides, the fact that we're sitting here arguing about philosophical content in a goddamn FPS says a lot. "Other media" is one thing, but we're not discussing 401 video, computer games, books, film and assorted short stories of which you need to partake before you die. We're talking games, and any game (FPS especially) that can raise the bar in terms of content, the level of discussion, and yes, philosophy in particular while maintaining a brilliantly written and presented narrative (and maintain the gameplay to back it up) is an astounding achievement.
And John Galt has epic goddamn monologues. And not "epic" in the positive sense, either.
But my point is that SS2 already did that. Hell, Deus Ex was much better about choice than Bioshock, a game that's supposedly centered around choice -
but only has two endings.
I know we're not talking about other media, but 401 games that you should have played in your lifetime isn't a whole lot, and we assume that it needs to be updated yearly in accordance with new releases. Slots should be reasonably reserved so that other titles aren't left out, and if a game is already represented on the list by a proxy of an earlier game of equal value or a better game in the style, then others should be chosen over it.
Basically, I'm saying that the story has been done before, and the "Big Questions" have been asked in other media. Not just the high literature bullshit of Ayn Rand (God I hate that woman), but other games as well.
Yeah, it's a fun game, but it's SS2 with a graphical facelift and some lightweight philosophy.
I'd disagree that the philosophy is lightweight, but that's my opinion --
-- and besides, the fact that we're sitting here arguing about philosophical content in a goddamn FPS says a lot. "Other media" is one thing, but we're not discussing 401 video, computer games, books, film and assorted short stories of which you need to partake before you die. We're talking games, and any game (FPS especially) that can raise the bar in terms of content, the level of discussion, and yes, philosophy in particular while maintaining a brilliantly written and presented narrative (and maintain the gameplay to back it up) is an astounding achievement.
And John Galt has epic goddamn monologues. And not "epic" in the positive sense, either.
But my point is that SS2 already did that. Hell, Deus Ex was much better about choice than Bioshock, a game that's supposedly centered around choice -
but only has two endings.
I know we're not talking about other media, but 401 games that you should have played in your lifetime isn't a whole lot, and we assume that it needs to be updated yearly in accordance with new releases. Slots should be reasonably reserved so that other titles aren't left out, and if a game is already represented on the list by a proxy of an earlier game of equal value or a better game in the style, then others should be chosen over it.
If you're talking in that sense, then SS2 has been done an infinity of times over in other media.
I'd argue that Bioshock, by virtue of its fully realized experience, is a superior title to SS2, and thus should be the representative one.
We'll just have to respectfully disagree on this one.
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Apparently they haven't been mentioned (looking at the list), so:
Metal Gear Solid 1
Metal Gear Solid 2
Metal Gear Solid 3
The gameplay in these games is great and the story is amazing.
Sure, MGS's story is amazing if William Shatner is your favorite actor, and you think that Matrix Reloaded represents apex of storytelling. ;-) But seriously, I think that one Metal Gear Solid is more than enough, but I don't know which one would be better; MGS1 or 3. MGS3 is better game per se, but MGS is the original one.
Can we not just get the job done by listing them together as "Metal Gear Solid (series)"? Sure the list would end up being waaaay more than 401 games that way, but some games are really important in that they represent a series of good games.
Some more of my suggestions:
Super Monkey Ball (series)
Wave Race Blue Storm
Wipeout XL/2097
Virtua Fighter (series)
Mega Man (series) (but especially Mega Man 2)
Duck Tales
Metal Slug (series) (If we're not doing series, just throw Anthology on the list)
Prince of Persia: Sands of Time
Jordan Mechner's Prince of Persia
Kareteka
TMNT arcade
Simpsons arcade
Darius 2 arcade triple screen cabinet
X-Men arcade dual screen 6-player
Silent Scope arcade
Outrun arcade
Life Force
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I can't believe that the OP list is missing Super Mario 64 ... either that or I'm going insane .... nevermind, thought for a second there that it came out in 1995.
EDIT2: I'm calling for Gran Turismo 4 one more time. In every way, the absolute best of the series.
edit: and I don't think Blade Runner is a must play game.
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When I read that I saw Starfox. And I said "Yes". Either Starfox or Starfox 64 should be on the list. Can't really decide which one I personally think is better, but I'd go with the 64 version.
Aye. I'm tempted to nominate Zwei as well, but Orta is just jammed packed with required reading and history.
So, when thinking about why a game should be included on the list, think about an aspect of it that makes it, independent from other considerations, worthy of being on the list,
I nominated my games because I feel they are a credit to the genre. But, I mean, I think everyone who likes a specific game will feel that way about it.
I'd have to say MGS3. It took all the things that make MGS so compelling and combined them most effectively.
I'd go for the first one. While I've never played MGS3, I think it would be best to expose people to the beginning of a plot point and the origins of the character set. Playing with Snake as Big Boss loses a bit of it's point when you aren't aware of the reason WHY.
Seriously though, I don't think I've seen as many games -- FPS in particular -- where the entire gameplay, the entire world flows brilliantly and naturally from its intensely introspective, multi-layered narrative/story. It's as simple or as complex as you make it, and it asks a lot of Big Questions about philosophy and ideology. Freaking brilliant, and arguably could be enjoyed for story alone...never mind the fact that it's got the gameplay to back it up.[/quyote]
It's a bit silly to assume that Irrational wasn't able to evolve a concept one bit in nearly a decade since System Shock 2 came out. I don't understand how some people are not the least bit impressed by the game.
Basically, I'm saying that the story has been done before
So?
You just pretty much excluded every videogame. Ever.
But really, I shouldn't have expected a rational point of view from the Wonder Hippie. I mean, someone could argue whether or not Bioshock could be included, but you'd have to come up with something other than, "It's been done before in other media."
I'm not particularly interested in Bioshock because of the choices you can make in game. I'm interested in it because of the experience of it.
Oh, and as someone else mentioned. Metal Slug. Anthology. If not, X or 3.
When I read that I saw Starfox. And I said "Yes". Either Starfox or Starfox 64 should be on the list. Can't really decide which one I personally think is better, but I'd go with the 64 version.
I'm going to second Starfox, Starfox 64, and Starflight.
And speaking of Starflight, another game in the same vein that should be on the list is Escape Velocity.
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I think I'd put my money on Starfox 64. That brought the series around, and had an awesome amount of content.
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(5 minutes later at the autograph table)
tycho "hey man whats up, we talked yesterday correct?"
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Golden Axe is a mighty fine "slash 'em up" and should be included on that list. Wing Commander 4 was the finest offering of full motion video in the nineties wave of such things and should as such also be included. It's the Star Wars of videogames.
It's a bit silly to assume that Irrational wasn't able to evolve a concept one bit in nearly a decade since System Shock 2 came out. I don't understand how some people are not the least bit impressed by the game.
I'm impressed by it, yeah. I enjoy the game, and I think it's a very good game. However, my point is that they didn't in ten years, evolve the gameplay. In fact, it was much more shooter-y than SS2 was, so in a sense, it was dialed back a touch.
You just pretty much excluded every videogame. Ever.
But really, I shouldn't have expected a rational point of view from the Wonder Hippie. I mean, someone could argue whether or not Bioshock could be included, but you'd have to come up with something other than, "It's been done before in other media."
Man, fuck you too. Seriously, go fuck yourself, because I haven't done jack shit in this thread, but all I read is that I'm a troll or some such shit. Fuck off, piece of shit.
I'm still defending my position, because I made it clear enough that, concerning games and other media, the story had been done before, and isn't really anything special. If you could read instead of slamming your head into your display like a retard, maybe you could dig that fact. But you can't, so you don't. I'm not saying it's a bad game, I'm saying that SS2 serves the same purpose, and was doing it well before anybody expected that kind of thing out of a game.
For fuck's sake, FireWeasel understood that it's just a disagreement, and debating about it is fun. That's the point of the thread. If you can't handle it, then get the fuck out.
I'm impressed by it, yeah. I enjoy the game, and I think it's a very good game. However, my point is that they didn't in ten years, evolve the gameplay. In fact, it was much more shooter-y than SS2 was, so in a sense, it was dialed back a touch.
You don't have to directly compare it to SS2, you know. It may be more shooter-y, but you can consider the notion that they weren't trying to recreate SS2. Besides, I think the point lies more in it's amazing presentation, graphics, and story. Bioshock oozes style the entire trip. SS2 doesn't really stretch it's legs until the world gets a bit more alien.
I'm still defending my position, because I made it clear enough that, concerning games and other media, the story had been done before
Totally. We shouldn't buy videogames because it's a concept from other media.
You better not fucking buy Metal Gear Solid 4. All that nonsense about political conspiracy and the Patriots? Pfft. Ever read The Illuminatus! Trilogy? No? Man, you should totally read it. Metal Gear's concept has been done before.
:roll:
It's like I'm in fuckin college again. What is it with some people, when they read Ayn Rand they think they're onto some secret the rest of the population are missing out on? Know what? I've read the Fountainhead and I've read Atlas Shrugged. Didn't care for the concept, don't care for her politics, and I'm glad Bioshock completely deconstructs it.
That's the point of the thread.
Exactly. And I'm debating your incredibly retarded excuse as to why Bioshock shouldn't be on the list.
As I mentioned above, "Bioshock oozes style". Or is that some how disqualified because it was inspired by an artistic movement in the 20s-30s?
GMAFB. If this was a PS3 exclusive, you and DarkWarrior would be dry humping it's Blu Ray disc.
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Hell, I personally disliked Half Life 2, especially when compared to the first game. But there's no way in hell I'd ever be able to convince someone not to include it on this list. I could point to things that I didn't like about it, or (God Help me) things that were done in other games that happened in Half Life 2, or concepts from books/movies/etc. The fact is, whatever Half Life 2 did, it did it incredibly well. At least, enough for the gaming community to collectively ruin their pants over it.
Ok why Kings Quest 5 and not 6? KQ6 is the best KQ game by far. Story, presentation, non impossibly hard solutions to puzzles.
Yeah, KQVI is easily far better game, but KQV was first PC-game with budget over 1 million dollars, first to use complete point n' click interface, first game to use handpainteed backgrounds, and also first full talkie game. KQV is a poor game, but it has certainly lots of historical value.
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Everybody should play a few minutes of a roguelike, if only to better their knowledge of the origins of the term. Maybe it will even increase their appreciation of ASCII based games a little, too.
You better not fucking buy Metal Gear Solid 4. All that nonsense about political conspiracy and the Patriots? Pfft. Ever read The Illuminatus! Trilogy? No? Man, you should totally read it. Metal Gear's concept has been done before.
You know, I could point out that the MGS stories are intended to be campy. You seem too stupid to get that, though.
GMAFB. If this was a PS3 exclusive, you and DarkWarrior would be dry humping it's Blu Ray disc.
Here we go again. I'm close to reporting this, because that is exactly what you've accused me of. Shut the fuck up with it and argue like you're a reasonable person, or don't fucking argue at all. Jesus Christ, you're such an unbelievable piece of shit it's not even funny anymore.
Yoshi's Island needs to be on that list, because it's arguably the best 2D platformer ever made by the best 2D platformer development house.
And its gameplay differs a lot from the main Mario series, so you can't say SMW covers it.
Also Cave Story was mentioned on the first page, why ain't it on the list yet? I know Super Metroid has the genre covered, but I think Cave Story deserves a place as an example of what can be achieved by a one-man development team.
Metal Slug should be represented too, as a genre-defining arcade action series.
Otherwise, cool list.
I'm surprised at the lack of Lemmings in that list. One of the finest puzzle games of all time, released on just about every platform in the early 90s (and being released again recently). It could have been a fairly mediocre game - how many variations on "avoid these obstacles" are there? - but instead was a well-presented, engrossing, lengthy puzzler which is still tremendous fun today.
Added 43 games to the list. Most of them have been mentioned by various users since last update, but I also added few classic arcade games (such as Pong and Space Invaders) to the list.
Battlezone (1980)
Burgertime (1982)
Breath of Fire 2 (1994)
Cave Story (2004)
Battlefield 2 (2006)
Command & Conquer (1995)
Crash Bandicoot (1996)
Darius 2 (1989)
Defender (1980)
Devil May Cry (2001)
Dragon's Lair (1983)
Earthworm Jim (1994)
Elite (1984)
F-Zero X (1998)
Hexen (1995)
Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis (1992)
Jak and Daxter: The Precursor Legacy (2001)
Karateka (1984)
Legend of Zelda: The Wind Wanker, the (2002)
Lemmings (1991)
Mario Kart 64 (1996)
Mega Man X (1993)
Metal Slug X (1999)
Missile Command (1980)
Nethack (1987)
Odin Sphere (2007)
Pole Position (1982)
Pong (1972)
Prince of Persia: Sands of Time (2003)
Quake (1996)
Sinistar (1982)
Smash TV (1990)
Space Invaders (1978)
Star Control 2 (1992)
Star Wars: the Arcade Game (1983)
Starfox 64 (1997)
Super Monkey Ball (2001)
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Turtles in Time (1992)
Wing Commander (1990)
Wipeout XL (1996)
Virtua Fighter (1993)
WWF: No Mercy (2000)
Xevious (1982)
GMAFB. If this was a PS3 exclusive, you and DarkWarrior would be dry humping it's Blu Ray disc.
When I first read this, I thought GMAFB was an abbreviation for some game I had never heard of, in the vein of GRAW or KOTOR. I spent a minute trying to figure out what game would fit that until I caught on. :P
Three notes on the OP list:
HIND: .... should be changed to HIND : .... so that we don't get a frowny face :P
Accent is going the wrong way in Pokemon (is Pokèmon, should be Pokémon)
Can we fix "Legend of Zelda: The Wind Wanker, the", please?
I have always thought it was pants. I mean, it is just boring and too hard TMNT IV derivate....
If by "pants" you mean "the shit" then I agree. :P
Seriously, though ... not enough arcade representation on there. I'm gonna propose:
Virtua Racing: for 60fps 3D for the first time ever, and 8-player simultaneous
Gunblade NY: for sheer awesome
Twinkle Star Sprites: 2-player vs. puzzle/shmup
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Basically, I'm saying that the story has been done before, and the "Big Questions" have been asked in other media. Not just the high literature bullshit of Ayn Rand (God I hate that woman), but other games as well.
Yeah, it's a fun game, but it's SS2 with a graphical facelift and some lightweight philosophy.
I'd disagree that the philosophy is lightweight, but that's my opinion --
-- and besides, the fact that we're sitting here arguing about philosophical content in a goddamn FPS says a lot. "Other media" is one thing, but we're not discussing 401 video, computer games, books, film and assorted short stories of which you need to partake before you die. We're talking games, and any game (FPS especially) that can raise the bar in terms of content, the level of discussion, and yes, philosophy in particular while maintaining a brilliantly written and presented narrative (and maintain the gameplay to back it up) is an astounding achievement.
And John Galt has epic goddamn monologues. And not "epic" in the positive sense, either.
I think it's a forum list and therefore shouldn't be too harshly regulated
Although I would agree with picking whichever game was "the best" out of a series being a good idea, because otherwise we're pretty much making a list of all games we've ever played
I also didn't see Elite on the list which inspired the creation of the whole open ended space sim genre, although Wing Commander: Privateer may be a better choice as a game that really was the pinnacle of said genre.
Speaking of the Wing Commander series, how about WC 1 for melding the space sim with an engaging narrative, characters, backstory, and branching mission structure?
Moving to the strategy genre, I'll nominate Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri. That game was near perfection. I'd love for Sid to do an update similar to what he did for Pirates!.
But my point is that SS2 already did that. Hell, Deus Ex was much better about choice than Bioshock, a game that's supposedly centered around choice -
I know we're not talking about other media, but 401 games that you should have played in your lifetime isn't a whole lot, and we assume that it needs to be updated yearly in accordance with new releases. Slots should be reasonably reserved so that other titles aren't left out, and if a game is already represented on the list by a proxy of an earlier game of equal value or a better game in the style, then others should be chosen over it.
If you're talking in that sense, then SS2 has been done an infinity of times over in other media.
I'd argue that Bioshock, by virtue of its fully realized experience, is a superior title to SS2, and thus should be the representative one.
We'll just have to respectfully disagree on this one.
Can we not just get the job done by listing them together as "Metal Gear Solid (series)"? Sure the list would end up being waaaay more than 401 games that way, but some games are really important in that they represent a series of good games.
Some more of my suggestions:
Super Monkey Ball (series)
Wave Race Blue Storm
Wipeout XL/2097
Virtua Fighter (series)
Mega Man (series) (but especially Mega Man 2)
Duck Tales
Metal Slug (series) (If we're not doing series, just throw Anthology on the list)
Prince of Persia: Sands of Time
Jordan Mechner's Prince of Persia
Kareteka
TMNT arcade
Simpsons arcade
Darius 2 arcade triple screen cabinet
X-Men arcade dual screen 6-player
Silent Scope arcade
Outrun arcade
Life Force
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I can't believe that the OP list is missing Super Mario 64 ... either that or I'm going insane .... nevermind, thought for a second there that it came out in 1995.
EDIT2: I'm calling for Gran Turismo 4 one more time. In every way, the absolute best of the series.
edit: and I don't think Blade Runner is a must play game.
EDIT: And maybe Wind Waker in addition to the original because of the amazing art style and the history of the style.
WCW/NWO Revenge
WWF WRESTLEMANIA 2000
WWF: No Mercy
Yes, all of them ;]
When I read that I saw Starfox. And I said "Yes". Either Starfox or Starfox 64 should be on the list. Can't really decide which one I personally think is better, but I'd go with the 64 version.
Naaah WM 2000 with honorable mentions to the other 3.
World Tour was pretty badass though 8-)
Aye. I'm tempted to nominate Zwei as well, but Orta is just jammed packed with required reading and history.
I nominated my games because I feel they are a credit to the genre. But, I mean, I think everyone who likes a specific game will feel that way about it.
I'd go for the first one. While I've never played MGS3, I think it would be best to expose people to the beginning of a plot point and the origins of the character set. Playing with Snake as Big Boss loses a bit of it's point when you aren't aware of the reason WHY.
I'm going to second Starfox, Starfox 64, and Starflight.
And speaking of Starflight, another game in the same vein that should be on the list is Escape Velocity.
So did the original, but, Star Wolf.
i am surprised Quake isn't mentioned yet. Very important (and great) game.
Though I haven't played it in years, at least.
(5 minutes later at the autograph table)
tycho "hey man whats up, we talked yesterday correct?"
me "woot"
The highest standard for redoing a classic franchise right.
Until they fucked it up with the sequels.
I thought the Two Thrones was pretty good.
I'm impressed by it, yeah. I enjoy the game, and I think it's a very good game. However, my point is that they didn't in ten years, evolve the gameplay. In fact, it was much more shooter-y than SS2 was, so in a sense, it was dialed back a touch.
Man, fuck you too. Seriously, go fuck yourself, because I haven't done jack shit in this thread, but all I read is that I'm a troll or some such shit. Fuck off, piece of shit.
I'm still defending my position, because I made it clear enough that, concerning games and other media, the story had been done before, and isn't really anything special. If you could read instead of slamming your head into your display like a retard, maybe you could dig that fact. But you can't, so you don't. I'm not saying it's a bad game, I'm saying that SS2 serves the same purpose, and was doing it well before anybody expected that kind of thing out of a game.
For fuck's sake, FireWeasel understood that it's just a disagreement, and debating about it is fun. That's the point of the thread. If you can't handle it, then get the fuck out.
You don't have to directly compare it to SS2, you know. It may be more shooter-y, but you can consider the notion that they weren't trying to recreate SS2. Besides, I think the point lies more in it's amazing presentation, graphics, and story. Bioshock oozes style the entire trip. SS2 doesn't really stretch it's legs until the world gets a bit more alien.
Totally. We shouldn't buy videogames because it's a concept from other media.
You better not fucking buy Metal Gear Solid 4. All that nonsense about political conspiracy and the Patriots? Pfft. Ever read The Illuminatus! Trilogy? No? Man, you should totally read it. Metal Gear's concept has been done before.
:roll:
It's like I'm in fuckin college again. What is it with some people, when they read Ayn Rand they think they're onto some secret the rest of the population are missing out on? Know what? I've read the Fountainhead and I've read Atlas Shrugged. Didn't care for the concept, don't care for her politics, and I'm glad Bioshock completely deconstructs it.
Exactly. And I'm debating your incredibly retarded excuse as to why Bioshock shouldn't be on the list.
As I mentioned above, "Bioshock oozes style". Or is that some how disqualified because it was inspired by an artistic movement in the 20s-30s?
GMAFB. If this was a PS3 exclusive, you and DarkWarrior would be dry humping it's Blu Ray disc.
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Hell, I personally disliked Half Life 2, especially when compared to the first game. But there's no way in hell I'd ever be able to convince someone not to include it on this list. I could point to things that I didn't like about it, or (God Help me) things that were done in other games that happened in Half Life 2, or concepts from books/movies/etc. The fact is, whatever Half Life 2 did, it did it incredibly well. At least, enough for the gaming community to collectively ruin their pants over it.
Also, Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis and Full Throttle are great and playable with SCUMMVM if you have the disk.
Woodruff and the Shnibble is bizarre and needs playing through. Good luck getting it to run though.
I didn't check if World of Warcraft was on there, but it should be on the list.
Otherwise neat, if computer specific, list.
Yeah, KQVI is easily far better game, but KQV was first PC-game with budget over 1 million dollars, first to use complete point n' click interface, first game to use handpainteed backgrounds, and also first full talkie game. KQV is a poor game, but it has certainly lots of historical value.
Did I argue that? Did I ever fucking argue that? Again, you go on to prove that you are completely illiterate.
You know, I could point out that the MGS stories are intended to be campy. You seem too stupid to get that, though.
Here we go again. I'm close to reporting this, because that is exactly what you've accused me of. Shut the fuck up with it and argue like you're a reasonable person, or don't fucking argue at all. Jesus Christ, you're such an unbelievable piece of shit it's not even funny anymore.
Megaman X: Megaman at it's finest.
And its gameplay differs a lot from the main Mario series, so you can't say SMW covers it.
Also Cave Story was mentioned on the first page, why ain't it on the list yet? I know Super Metroid has the genre covered, but I think Cave Story deserves a place as an example of what can be achieved by a one-man development team.
Metal Slug should be represented too, as a genre-defining arcade action series.
Otherwise, cool list.
It was one of the first arcade games with speech, as it sampled lines directly from the movie.
Also, Asteroid really needs to be there. 1979, I'm pretty sure it's the single most popular arcade cabinet ever.
Burgertime (1982)
Breath of Fire 2 (1994)
Cave Story (2004)
Battlefield 2 (2006)
Command & Conquer (1995)
Crash Bandicoot (1996)
Darius 2 (1989)
Defender (1980)
Devil May Cry (2001)
Dragon's Lair (1983)
Earthworm Jim (1994)
Elite (1984)
F-Zero X (1998)
Hexen (1995)
Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis (1992)
Jak and Daxter: The Precursor Legacy (2001)
Karateka (1984)
Legend of Zelda: The Wind Wanker, the (2002)
Lemmings (1991)
Mario Kart 64 (1996)
Mega Man X (1993)
Metal Slug X (1999)
Missile Command (1980)
Nethack (1987)
Odin Sphere (2007)
Pole Position (1982)
Pong (1972)
Prince of Persia: Sands of Time (2003)
Quake (1996)
Sinistar (1982)
Smash TV (1990)
Space Invaders (1978)
Star Control 2 (1992)
Star Wars: the Arcade Game (1983)
Starfox 64 (1997)
Super Monkey Ball (2001)
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Turtles in Time (1992)
Wing Commander (1990)
Wipeout XL (1996)
Virtua Fighter (1993)
WWF: No Mercy (2000)
Xevious (1982)
When I first read this, I thought GMAFB was an abbreviation for some game I had never heard of, in the vein of GRAW or KOTOR. I spent a minute trying to figure out what game would fit that until I caught on. :P
Three notes on the OP list:
HIND: .... should be changed to HIND : .... so that we don't get a frowny face :P
Accent is going the wrong way in Pokemon (is Pokèmon, should be Pokémon)
Can we fix "Legend of Zelda: The Wind Wanker, the", please?
and I'm reiterating The Simpsons arcade game.
I have always thought it was pants. I mean, it is just boring and too hard TMNT IV derivate....
If by "pants" you mean "the shit" then I agree. :P
Seriously, though ... not enough arcade representation on there. I'm gonna propose:
Virtua Racing: for 60fps 3D for the first time ever, and 8-player simultaneous
Gunblade NY: for sheer awesome
Twinkle Star Sprites: 2-player vs. puzzle/shmup