Commando. It and the later Ikari Warriors formed a 1-2 punch that helped define the scrolling shooter.
Double Dragon. Welcome to beat-em-ups.
Rogue. It's got a whole sub-genre directly named after it.
The Sims. A watershed moment in gaming's expansion into the non-traditional markets posed to dominate the market today.
John Madden NFL Football. The most prolific series in gaming, and the House that Madden Built is the biggest game publisher in the industry. Whether Madden is published for it can literally make or break a console.
Did I argue that? Did I ever fucking argue that? Again, you go on to prove that you are completely illiterate.
Yeah. You did argue that. I even quoted you for prosperities sake. And just in case, even bolded the part where you did. Further, you went on to mention Ayn Rand, apparently, the source of your bullshit argument that "it has been done in other media".
Your words. Not mine.
You know, I could point out that the MGS stories are intended to be campy. You seem too stupid to get that, though.
What's that got to do with it? You're derided Bioshock because of premises that exist outside of videogames. I don't see how Metal Gear Solid's campyness proves a point either way.
Either man up and stick with your original (laugh) opinion and quit wussing out when someone calls you on it, or don't bother sharing it.
I'm close to reporting this, because that is exactly what you've accused me of.
I dunno. I'm not the first to call you on it, and I haven't seen anyone else get in trouble because of, or lack of, fanboyism. Quit whining.
Calling someone an "unbelievable piece of shit" versus me trying to rationalize the BS that comes out of your mouth?
Shut the fuck up with it and argue like you're a reasonable person, or don't fucking argue at all.
I am, Mr. Potty mouth. I'm saying its unreasonable and down right retarded to make the claim that you did. I'm calling you on it, and if you'd take a moment from your attempts to cram "fuck" and "shit" into a half assed insult and offer a proper answer, we can get our [Debate on], as mentioned in the title.
Honestly, reading back over the past page or so, I think that you completely missed the point in Bioshock all together.
Not Double Dragon. River City Ransom was so much better.
So were Final Fight and Streets of Rage 2 but Double Dragon gets the nod in historical importance, both in terms of gameplay (2 player co-op, using enemy weapons) and in popularizing the genre.
Yeah. You did argue that. I even quoted you for prosperities sake. And just in case, even bolded the part where you did. Further, you went on to mention Ayn Rand, apparently, the source of your bullshit argument that "it has been done in other media".
Your words. Not mine.
Jesus Christ, you just keeping getting dumber and dumber, too ignorant to read your own fucking post. You accused me of saying that people shouldn't buy Bioshock. Read this bit carefully: I never said such a thing. All I've ever said, all I've ever fucking said, is that SS2 takes the place of Bioshock perfectly on the list, based on the fact that it was the first, that there wasn't much progression in the gameplay itself, and that the story alone didn't do enough to warrant an inclusion in the list.
Jesus fucking Christ, what's so hard to get about that? You're acting like I'm defaming some holy name, when all I'm saying is that Bioshock, while a being perfectly good game, gets its representation out of SS2 being on the list.
What's that got to do with it? You're derided Bioshock because of premises that exist outside of videogames. I don't see how Metal Gear Solid's campyness proves a point either way.
You know, it might be worth it to put some context to what you're arguing. You're trying to suggest that my argument is that Bioshock's story is schlock (I never actually said that, you're just such a sensitive little cunt about your pet game that you can't take somebody calling it less than perfect), and that MGS is equally schlock, so it shouldn't be on the list. I simply countered this argument with the fact that MGS story lines are not serious. They're supposed to be campy and cheesy and so opaque it's ridiculous.
That's not to say that Bioshock's story is any of those things, rather it's just some very light philosophizing at the expense of Ayn Rand, and you'll notice that I've been saying the entire fucking time that it's represented in both other media and games as well. Because you're so myopic and so offended that I consider SS2 a superior choice for the list, you have completely failed to notice that, and instead rail off about me being a fanboy or some shit.
I'm saying its unreasonable and down right retarded to make the claim that you did.
No, what you've been doing is misrepresenting my claim and chalking it up to fanboyism, because you have some personal distaste for me, or something like that. I think that you have completely missed the point of what I've been saying, and have just been knee-jerking to what you perceive as hatred for a game that you're appearently masturbating to right fucking now.
Yeah. You did argue that. I even quoted you for prosperities sake. And just in case, even bolded the part where you did. Further, you went on to mention Ayn Rand, apparently, the source of your bullshit argument that "it has been done in other media".
Your words. Not mine.
Jesus Christ, you just keeping getting dumber and dumber, too ignorant to read your own fucking post. You accused me of saying that people shouldn't buy Bioshock. Read this bit carefully: I never said such a thing. All I've ever said, all I've ever fucking said, is that SS2 takes the place of Bioshock perfectly on the list, based on the fact that it was the first, that there wasn't much progression in the gameplay itself, and that the story alone didn't do enough to warrant an inclusion in the list.
Jesus fucking Christ, what's so hard to get about that? You're acting like I'm defaming some holy name, when all I'm saying is that Bioshock, while a being perfectly good game, gets its representation out of SS2 being on the list.
What's that got to do with it? You're derided Bioshock because of premises that exist outside of videogames. I don't see how Metal Gear Solid's campyness proves a point either way.
You know, it might be worth it to put some context to what you're arguing. You're trying to suggest that my argument is that Bioshock's story is schlock (I never actually said that, you're just such a sensitive little cunt about your pet game that you can't take somebody calling it less than perfect), and that MGS is equally schlock, so it shouldn't be on the list. I simply countered this argument with the fact that MGS story lines are not serious. They're supposed to be campy and cheesy and so opaque it's ridiculous.
That's not to say that Bioshock's story is any of those things, rather it's just some very light philosophizing at the expense of Ayn Rand, and you'll notice that I've been saying the entire fucking time that it's represented in both other media and games as well. Because you're so myopic and so offended that I consider SS2 a superior choice for the list, you have completely failed to notice that, and instead rail off about me being a fanboy or some shit.
I'm saying its unreasonable and down right retarded to make the claim that you did.
No, what you've been doing is misrepresenting my claim and chalking it up to fanboyism, because you have some personal distaste for me, or something like that. I think that you have completely missed the point of what I've been saying, and have just been knee-jerking to what you perceive as hatred for a game that you're appearently masturbating to right fucking now.
You do realize it's the four-hundred and one video games you should play before you die... Bioshock, as just an experience, is absolutely a must-play for everyone. Hell, if you want it excluded because you feel it's been done before, then the list should consist of Wolfenstein, Mario, and Dragon Quest. And that's it.
Wonder_Hippie, this is a pretty silly argument to be having. Even for you.
Basically, I'm saying that the story has been done before, and the "Big Questions" have been asked in other media. Not just the high literature bullshit of Ayn Rand (God I hate that woman), but other games as well.
You do realize it's the four-hundred and one video games you should play before you die... Bioshock, as just an experience, is absolutely a must-play for everyone. Hell, if you want it excluded because you feel it's been done before, then the list should consist of Wolfenstein, Mario, and Dragon Quest. And that's it.
See, that's not what I'm arguing, though. I wasn't that terribly impressed with Bioshock because I played it almost a decade ago now, when it was called SS2. There has only been a modicum of evolution in that time.
However, there's been drastic evolution in platformers, adventurers, and shooters since they began. My argument is that it is essentially SS2 with a different story and setting, but those aren't special enough to warrant inclusion.
401 games over three decades isn't a whole lot. The list of movies that inspired this thread has 1,001 but the argument could be made that there are many movies missing and many that shouldn't necessarily be on there.
Basically, I'm saying that the story has been done before, and the "Big Questions" have been asked in other media.
Just... stop making up shit as you go along. Your problem with Bioshock is that you can cite things before it, and things that aren't even video games that have similar concepts. As I mentioned before you pissed your pants, with that criteria, we might as well just stop listing games for the topic. None of them would fit.
That is retarded.
I thought the idea behind Bioshock being on the list is that it has a relatively unique setting that's extremely well realized.
The gameplay may not be revolutionary, but its art direction and style definitely make it noteworthy enough in my mind to be on this list.
Top of the list. Few spaces below Super Metroid, and about three spaces above Panzer Dragoon Saga. Of course, Number 1 should be Earthbound. But I can understand if it's not.
Basically, I'm saying that the story has been done before, and the "Big Questions" have been asked in other media.
Just... stop making up shit as you go along. Your problem with Bioshock is that you can cite things before it, and things that aren't even video games that have similar concepts. As I mentioned before you pissed your pants, with that criteria, we might as well just stop listing games for the topic. None of them would fit.
That is retarded.
You had to resort to lopping off a part of that same thought to make your point. You have just shown yourself to be utterly full of shit.
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Basically, I'm saying that the story has been done before, and the "Big Questions" have been asked in other media.
Just... stop making up shit as you go along. Your problem with Bioshock is that you can cite things before it, and things that aren't even video games that have similar concepts. As I mentioned before you pissed your pants, with that criteria, we might as well just stop listing games for the topic. None of them would fit.
That is retarded.
You had to resort to lopping off a part of that same thought to make your point. You have just shown yourself to be utterly full of shit.
Man up. Either you said it, or you didn't. Regardless, my accusations are valid either way.
I was just quoting specifics, seeing as how you're trying to avoid it.
You guys should just get a room and make out.
Nah. I'm done until Wonder Hippie notices the next big 360 game.
Man up. Either you said it, or you didn't. Regardless, my accusations are valid either way.
I was just quoting specifics, seeing as how you're trying to avoid it.
I feel like I'm going insane. Really, is anybody else reading this? Does anybody else see that he's basically been forced to take what I said out of context and relentlessly attack me and accuse me of trolling and fanboyism, but when I point out the complete thought, he says I have to "man up?"
You do realize it's the four-hundred and one video games you should play before you die... Bioshock, as just an experience, is absolutely a must-play for everyone. Hell, if you want it excluded because you feel it's been done before, then the list should consist of Wolfenstein, Mario, and Dragon Quest. And that's it.
See, that's not what I'm arguing, though. I wasn't that terribly impressed with Bioshock because I played it almost a decade ago now, when it was called SS2. There has only been a modicum of evolution in that time.
However, there's been drastic evolution in platformers, adventurers, and shooters since they began. My argument is that it is essentially SS2 with a different story and setting, but those aren't special enough to warrant inclusion.
401 games over three decades isn't a whole lot. The list of movies that inspired this thread has 1,001 but the argument could be made that there are many movies missing and many that shouldn't necessarily be on there.
That's analogous to saying that the Ferrari Enzo isn't worthy of being on a list of great cars because it really doesn't do much that the Testarossa didn't do years before.
Much like Bioshock, it comes with a fine pedigree, draws heavily from its predecessors, but has many distinct and unique features and style points that make it worth acknowledging as something genuinely special.
Of course you're entitled to your own opinion, but for you and Sleep to go back and forth like this is some sort of black/white cut-and-dry matter is simply baffling. This is a list made up of nothing except opinion and conjecture.
I've had a few games I suggested deemed not worthy (pants even) but that's okay because I could probably think of 401 games on my own. Certainly not all of them are truly winners, but instead just stuff that appeals to me.
EDIT: oh my god I can't spell or type today
EDIT: I think I should point out also that it took me more than a few minutes to figure out which of you was "pro" Bioshock and which was "anti" Bioshock since the only position either of you is actually taking is that the other is an idiot.
Well in case anybody else was wondering, Wikipedia has a list per platform ... should be pretty simple to get an idea of the best across all platforms from that. Also useful because some very popular older games can't compete against newer games because of how much the market has grown.
has nobody else played the original Unreal, before all the tournament stuff?
I really... REALLY enjoyed it even though the ending sucked.
what about Metal Fatigue?
it was pretty jawesome.
Heroes of Might & Magic?! it'd be between two or three, i'd vote for 3. (five was kind of fun and we don't talk about 4.)
On that note, I'm glad Dark Messiah was mentioned.
Black and White was pretty unique and I'm sure some people would've mentioned it already...
those were off the top of my head, but I do like what has been mentioned too. (Especially thief ! )
I know apogee had a lot of good stuff back in the day, games like crystal caverns or secret agent man. out of any of those I think something could be mentioned.
Homeworld 1 and 2 need to be on the list for their awesome storylines and even more awesome/epic game play.
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I fucking hated Black and White with the burning hot passion of a thousand suns.
It's like: your creature is awesome but you try to punish him for pooping on a fencepost and it's all like: "your creature will help that sort of person less often."
Then in the main plot there's fire raining out of the sky and my creature is setting my temple on fire and putting it out because I taught him to put out fires and all my peoples are dying and now he's off masturbating in the ocean or something.
I fucking hated Black and White with the burning hot passion of a thousand suns.
It's like: your creature is awesome but you try to punish him for pooping on a fencepost and it's all like: "your creature will help that sort of person less often."
Then in the main plot there's fire raining out of the sky and my creature is setting my temple on fire and putting it out because I taught him to put out fires and all my peoples are dying and now he's off masturbating in the ocean or something.
Fuck that game.
That's borderline sigworthy.
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I fucking hated Black and White with the burning hot passion of a thousand suns.
It's like: your creature is awesome but you try to punish him for pooping on a fencepost and it's all like: "your creature will help that sort of person less often."
Then in the main plot there's fire raining out of the sky and my creature is setting my temple on fire and putting it out because I taught him to put out fires and all my peoples are dying and now he's off masturbating in the ocean or something.
Fuck that game.
Be glad you never made it to the last level. If you finally do get the hang of teaching your creature how to act, then you'll probably have him aligned one way and doing spells that compliment that. For example, I had a creature that was morally good who did spells that provided food and wood, while dancing to keep up the peoples' morale.
In the last level, they reverse your animal's morality. So my good creature who did good acts became an evil creature who didn't know how to do shit. He just wandered off and probably died somewhere while I got my ass handed to me by my opponent's creature.
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I fucking hated Black and White with the burning hot passion of a thousand suns.
It's like: your creature is awesome but you try to punish him for pooping on a fencepost and it's all like: "your creature will help that sort of person less often."
Then in the main plot there's fire raining out of the sky and my creature is setting my temple on fire and putting it out because I taught him to put out fires and all my peoples are dying and now he's off masturbating in the ocean or something.
Fuck that game.
Be glad you never made it to the last level. If you finally do get the hang of teaching your creature how to act, then you'll probably have him aligned one way and doing spells that compliment that. For example, I had a creature that was morally good who did spells that provided food and wood, while dancing to keep up the peoples' morale.
In the last level, they reverse your animal's morality. So my good creature who did good acts became an evil creature who didn't know how to do shit. He just wandered off and probably died somewhere while I got my ass handed to me by my opponent's creature.
I tried to make a good animal that could defend itself which is an obvious mistake. Hence resulting in him setting my temple on fire so he could put it out. In the fire-raining-from-the-sky level.
I tried some skirmish maps to see if I could make it fun - I'd always end up getting bored as hell and whisking away my enemy's children and others to sacrifice on my altar which provided a huge mana boost. So I would have a good creature and this massive evil temple with horns growing out and shit which was kinda cool, but I didn't even really want to BE evil.
That game is why whenever a developer says something will be intuitive my alarms go off.
That game is why whenever a developer says something will be intuitive my alarms go off.
That's just Molyneux man. Same thing happened with Fable.
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augustwhere you come from is goneRegistered Userregular
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I didn't play Fable, but wasn't that more like promises unfilled, but at least there was a decent action rpg in there. Balck and White was more like: it's so intuitive I want to shoot myself.
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edited August 2007
World of Warcraft needs a mention, definitely.
I know there have been hundreds of other MMOs, but none so successful so consistently, and none which seem set to survive even longer than Ultima Online.
You can't understand WoW addiction until you've played it.
Deus Ex needs a mention, simply for being all-round awesome, as does Rogue Squadron, and Super Smash Bros. Morrowind also needs a mention. Oblivion was good, but it was basically Morrowind: Improved, and not anything truly innovative.
I'll admit to having not read through the whole thread, but there seem to be some classic arcade games missing. Frogger, DigDug, Robotron, that weird game with the bear collecting crystals that you played with a trackball. Also, at least one person has mentioned Street Fighter 2, but it's still not on the list, and it really needs to be. I haven't done the research, but, anecdotally, that game was a lot of people's gateway drug. It pretty much singlehandedly prolonged the life of arcades in America by at least 5 years.
Other games I'd like to nominate:
NARC (blood, guts, drugs, digitized graphics)
Skate or Die, California Games, and/or one of the Tony Hawks
Altered Beast for being the original Genesis pack-in (in NA)
Pitfall!, and Combat, classic 2600 games
A Boy and His Blob, Blaster Master, and what was the name of that NES wrestling game, it had Starman as one of the characters, and I swear, if you didn't own it, you knew someone who did. I don't think anyone who grew up in the NES era could possibly have avoided playing that game.
Even though it's still a sandbox beta, Mount and Blade. Especially the Last Days (LotR) mod.
Simply fantasic. I can't wait until they release TLD for the new .808 patch so I can play as a rider of Rohan.
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Also, why I'm by no means suggesting that this should be added to the list, the game that got me into computer and videogaming in general was Star Wars Rebellion...it made a huge impact on me, and I think that should be reflected somehow.
I never really played it much but the game Syndicate seems to pop up in these best-of lists every now and then and I dont see it in the original post. Just thought i'd mention it in case it had slipped someones mind.
Anyway, I was also going to mention Shadowgate for the NES. I'll admit I don't know much about the chronology of old adventure games so I can't say if this really set any standards but I thoroughly enjoyed it 18 years after its release. Immersive, ominous and compelling to a high degree even by modern standards.
Tomba. I just bought this game the other day, as I remembered having it years and years ago. It's the absolute best 2D platformer from that generation. Quest-based platformer with a great visual style and tons of these cartoon cutscenes that were surprisingly funny.
A Boy and His Blob, Blaster Master, and what was the name of that NES wrestling game, it had Starman as one of the characters, and I swear, if you didn't own it, you knew someone who did. I don't think anyone who grew up in the NES era could possibly have avoided playing that game.
Yea, that was called Pro Wrestling. Pretty great game.
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Double Dragon. Welcome to beat-em-ups.
Rogue. It's got a whole sub-genre directly named after it.
The Sims. A watershed moment in gaming's expansion into the non-traditional markets posed to dominate the market today.
John Madden NFL Football. The most prolific series in gaming, and the House that Madden Built is the biggest game publisher in the industry. Whether Madden is published for it can literally make or break a console.
Yeah. You did argue that. I even quoted you for prosperities sake. And just in case, even bolded the part where you did. Further, you went on to mention Ayn Rand, apparently, the source of your bullshit argument that "it has been done in other media".
Your words. Not mine.
What's that got to do with it? You're derided Bioshock because of premises that exist outside of videogames. I don't see how Metal Gear Solid's campyness proves a point either way.
Either man up and stick with your original (laugh) opinion and quit wussing out when someone calls you on it, or don't bother sharing it.
I dunno. I'm not the first to call you on it, and I haven't seen anyone else get in trouble because of, or lack of, fanboyism. Quit whining.
Calling someone an "unbelievable piece of shit" versus me trying to rationalize the BS that comes out of your mouth?
I am, Mr. Potty mouth. I'm saying its unreasonable and down right retarded to make the claim that you did. I'm calling you on it, and if you'd take a moment from your attempts to cram "fuck" and "shit" into a half assed insult and offer a proper answer, we can get our [Debate on], as mentioned in the title.
Honestly, reading back over the past page or so, I think that you completely missed the point in Bioshock all together.
So were Final Fight and Streets of Rage 2 but Double Dragon gets the nod in historical importance, both in terms of gameplay (2 player co-op, using enemy weapons) and in popularizing the genre.
Jesus Christ, you just keeping getting dumber and dumber, too ignorant to read your own fucking post. You accused me of saying that people shouldn't buy Bioshock. Read this bit carefully: I never said such a thing. All I've ever said, all I've ever fucking said, is that SS2 takes the place of Bioshock perfectly on the list, based on the fact that it was the first, that there wasn't much progression in the gameplay itself, and that the story alone didn't do enough to warrant an inclusion in the list.
Jesus fucking Christ, what's so hard to get about that? You're acting like I'm defaming some holy name, when all I'm saying is that Bioshock, while a being perfectly good game, gets its representation out of SS2 being on the list.
You know, it might be worth it to put some context to what you're arguing. You're trying to suggest that my argument is that Bioshock's story is schlock (I never actually said that, you're just such a sensitive little cunt about your pet game that you can't take somebody calling it less than perfect), and that MGS is equally schlock, so it shouldn't be on the list. I simply countered this argument with the fact that MGS story lines are not serious. They're supposed to be campy and cheesy and so opaque it's ridiculous.
That's not to say that Bioshock's story is any of those things, rather it's just some very light philosophizing at the expense of Ayn Rand, and you'll notice that I've been saying the entire fucking time that it's represented in both other media and games as well. Because you're so myopic and so offended that I consider SS2 a superior choice for the list, you have completely failed to notice that, and instead rail off about me being a fanboy or some shit.
You're accusing me of trolling, and it's exactly what you've been doing since you entered an otherwise civil discussion.
What the fuck is this shit? Mr. Holier-Than-Thou twat, aren't you?
No, what you've been doing is misrepresenting my claim and chalking it up to fanboyism, because you have some personal distaste for me, or something like that. I think that you have completely missed the point of what I've been saying, and have just been knee-jerking to what you perceive as hatred for a game that you're appearently masturbating to right fucking now.
You do realize it's the four-hundred and one video games you should play before you die... Bioshock, as just an experience, is absolutely a must-play for everyone. Hell, if you want it excluded because you feel it's been done before, then the list should consist of Wolfenstein, Mario, and Dragon Quest. And that's it.
Wonder_Hippie, this is a pretty silly argument to be having. Even for you.
See, that's not what I'm arguing, though. I wasn't that terribly impressed with Bioshock because I played it almost a decade ago now, when it was called SS2. There has only been a modicum of evolution in that time.
However, there's been drastic evolution in platformers, adventurers, and shooters since they began. My argument is that it is essentially SS2 with a different story and setting, but those aren't special enough to warrant inclusion.
401 games over three decades isn't a whole lot. The list of movies that inspired this thread has 1,001 but the argument could be made that there are many movies missing and many that shouldn't necessarily be on there.
It is a perfect example of two thigs -
1. How to do movie like plot/narrative in games perfectly without making the play feel out of control
2. Why publishers should never interfer with game design.
The gameplay may not be revolutionary, but its art direction and style definitely make it noteworthy enough in my mind to be on this list.
Just... stop making up shit as you go along. Your problem with Bioshock is that you can cite things before it, and things that aren't even video games that have similar concepts. As I mentioned before you pissed your pants, with that criteria, we might as well just stop listing games for the topic. None of them would fit.
That is retarded.
Top of the list. Few spaces below Super Metroid, and about three spaces above Panzer Dragoon Saga. Of course, Number 1 should be Earthbound. But I can understand if it's not.
But it should be.
>:-D
You had to resort to lopping off a part of that same thought to make your point. You have just shown yourself to be utterly full of shit.
Man up. Either you said it, or you didn't. Regardless, my accusations are valid either way.
I was just quoting specifics, seeing as how you're trying to avoid it.
Nah. I'm done until Wonder Hippie notices the next big 360 game.
I feel like I'm going insane. Really, is anybody else reading this? Does anybody else see that he's basically been forced to take what I said out of context and relentlessly attack me and accuse me of trolling and fanboyism, but when I point out the complete thought, he says I have to "man up?"
Really, what the fuck? Are you just that stupid?
That's analogous to saying that the Ferrari Enzo isn't worthy of being on a list of great cars because it really doesn't do much that the Testarossa didn't do years before.
Much like Bioshock, it comes with a fine pedigree, draws heavily from its predecessors, but has many distinct and unique features and style points that make it worth acknowledging as something genuinely special.
Of course you're entitled to your own opinion, but for you and Sleep to go back and forth like this is some sort of black/white cut-and-dry matter is simply baffling. This is a list made up of nothing except opinion and conjecture.
I've had a few games I suggested deemed not worthy (pants even) but that's okay because I could probably think of 401 games on my own. Certainly not all of them are truly winners, but instead just stuff that appeals to me.
EDIT: oh my god I can't spell or type today
EDIT: I think I should point out also that it took me more than a few minutes to figure out which of you was "pro" Bioshock and which was "anti" Bioshock since the only position either of you is actually taking is that the other is an idiot.
Well in case anybody else was wondering, Wikipedia has a list per platform ... should be pretty simple to get an idea of the best across all platforms from that. Also useful because some very popular older games can't compete against newer games because of how much the market has grown.
has nobody else played the original Unreal, before all the tournament stuff?
I really... REALLY enjoyed it even though the ending sucked.
what about Metal Fatigue?
it was pretty jawesome.
Heroes of Might & Magic?! it'd be between two or three, i'd vote for 3. (five was kind of fun and we don't talk about 4.)
On that note, I'm glad Dark Messiah was mentioned.
Black and White was pretty unique and I'm sure some people would've mentioned it already...
those were off the top of my head, but I do like what has been mentioned too. (Especially thief !
I know apogee had a lot of good stuff back in the day, games like crystal caverns or secret agent man. out of any of those I think something could be mentioned.
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It's like: your creature is awesome but you try to punish him for pooping on a fencepost and it's all like: "your creature will help that sort of person less often."
Then in the main plot there's fire raining out of the sky and my creature is setting my temple on fire and putting it out because I taught him to put out fires and all my peoples are dying and now he's off masturbating in the ocean or something.
Fuck that game.
That's borderline sigworthy.
Be glad you never made it to the last level. If you finally do get the hang of teaching your creature how to act, then you'll probably have him aligned one way and doing spells that compliment that. For example, I had a creature that was morally good who did spells that provided food and wood, while dancing to keep up the peoples' morale.
In the last level, they reverse your animal's morality. So my good creature who did good acts became an evil creature who didn't know how to do shit. He just wandered off and probably died somewhere while I got my ass handed to me by my opponent's creature.
I tried to make a good animal that could defend itself which is an obvious mistake. Hence resulting in him setting my temple on fire so he could put it out. In the fire-raining-from-the-sky level.
I tried some skirmish maps to see if I could make it fun - I'd always end up getting bored as hell and whisking away my enemy's children and others to sacrifice on my altar which provided a huge mana boost. So I would have a good creature and this massive evil temple with horns growing out and shit which was kinda cool, but I didn't even really want to BE evil.
That game is why whenever a developer says something will be intuitive my alarms go off.
That's just Molyneux man. Same thing happened with Fable.
I know there have been hundreds of other MMOs, but none so successful so consistently, and none which seem set to survive even longer than Ultima Online.
You can't understand WoW addiction until you've played it.
Deus Ex needs a mention, simply for being all-round awesome, as does Rogue Squadron, and Super Smash Bros. Morrowind also needs a mention. Oblivion was good, but it was basically Morrowind: Improved, and not anything truly innovative.
Other games I'd like to nominate:
NARC (blood, guts, drugs, digitized graphics)
Skate or Die, California Games, and/or one of the Tony Hawks
Altered Beast for being the original Genesis pack-in (in NA)
Pitfall!, and Combat, classic 2600 games
A Boy and His Blob, Blaster Master, and what was the name of that NES wrestling game, it had Starman as one of the characters, and I swear, if you didn't own it, you knew someone who did. I don't think anyone who grew up in the NES era could possibly have avoided playing that game.
Simply fantasic. I can't wait until they release TLD for the new .808 patch so I can play as a rider of Rohan.
Let 'em eat fucking pineapples!
Either way I am unhappy about it...
also, I noticed Alpha Centauri is missing. That really needs to be on the list.
Anyway, I was also going to mention Shadowgate for the NES. I'll admit I don't know much about the chronology of old adventure games so I can't say if this really set any standards but I thoroughly enjoyed it 18 years after its release. Immersive, ominous and compelling to a high degree even by modern standards.
I will totally second Metal Fatigue, its a great fucking game. Its just a shame it is so hard to track down.
And I'll throw the original Dune out there as well. It was an excellent game and has aged pretty well.
I think what Sonic tried to be in 3D before the great downfall is important. People should play it.
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Dragon Warrior
Ninja Gaiden II
Fire Emblem
Ogre Battle
SUPER SMASH BROS. MELEE
Perfect Dark
and Harvest Moon 64.
Secret of Mana
Chrono Cross
Super Mario RPG
Also, yeah, Alpha Centauri.
Yea, that was called Pro Wrestling. Pretty great game.
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