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[Mini-Phalla] Logical Phallacy - What you can't seer can hurt you (EVIL VICTORY!)
When the results come in tomorrow, we will have a real idea on the true seers AND we get to look into the extra results. What we know is that there will be at least 6 innocent seerings and 3 guilty seerings tonight. What we don't know, are how many extra of each will show up.
I mean, I'd love it if all the bad guys wanted to try to hide in the "I seered innocent" crowd, because then the 3 guilty are actually our only confirmed innocents. However, if 4 guilty seerings are found, we may have a good chance at scouring that group to find the 1 bad guy in it.
We can adjust as we go. The most important thing though, is that everyone will know what their seer power is and everyone else will have a good idea as well. That information should come in handy later on.
First! Ardor, you do realize that there are 16 players in this game, right? When players seer themselves, we should get at least 6 innocent (true and naive seers) and 6 guilty (paranoid and insane seers) with 4 extra results from the baddies. Just making sure that's squared up.
Second! B:L, Xevo's not part of the final roster, you realize? Check the first post for details, 'kay?
Third! Seering ourselves is probably better than seering others on the first night. As mentioned in my first point, if a player seers themselves as innocent, they are known both by themselves and by the group as either true, naive, or evil. If they turn up guilty, they're paranoid, insane, or evil. Going with B:L's plan of seering in a cycle presents us with different possibilities. If all of those killed turn up innocent, then we can use the same arguments to deduce whether the seer of the dead are {true, naive, evil} or {paranoid, insane, evil}. However, the next person in line seering that person, we cannot deduce anything about, not without a lot of grumbling and calculation. I'd much rather work with absolutes than probabilities.
Fourth! I'm going to !retract my vote from PRETENTIOUS and !vote for B:L. I think it might be good luck.
Second! B:L, Xevo's not part of the final roster, you realize? Check the first post for details, 'kay?
Thanks Blarney, I missed his retraction. Glad to know you're always useful in a pinch.
!Retract Xevo !Vote Blarney
We're pretty much thinking that using Ardor's plan for the first night, then my cycling plan for the following nights would produce the most results. You're normally more observant than to make an unreasonable vote like that, especially with such aggression.
Second! B:L, Xevo's not part of the final roster, you realize? Check the first post for details, 'kay?
Thanks Blarney, I missed his retraction. Glad to know you're always useful in a pinch.
!Retract Xevo !Vote Blarney
We're pretty much thinking that using Ardor's plan for the first night, then my cycling plan for the following nights would produce the most results. You're normally more observant than to make an unreasonable vote like that, especially with such aggression.
Retract in lime! Vote in red!
And yes, seering ourselves night one and cycling on the next night will provide the best results. Probably. After that, on night 3 and beyond, we should have enough information to really go after those baddies.
EDIT: Also, I'm apparently not that good a judge of character based on the recent French Revolution Phalla. (I was at PAX, c'mon!)
I think I'll make this a tradition or something...
I have no idea what timezone Cheez is in. I've never heard of the abbreviation, even. I'm currently in GMT+2 (so it's 10:50 here, now), but what time is it in Cheez-zone?
I think I'll make this a tradition or something...
I have no idea what timezone Cheez is in. I've never heard of the abbreviation, even. I'm currently in GMT+2 (so it's 10:50 here, now), but what time is it in Cheez-zone?
Wow. This is the first time someone in a Phalla is on the same time zone with me.
First! Ardor, you do realize that there are 16 players in this game, right? When players seer themselves, we should get at least 6 innocent (true and naive seers) and 6 guilty (paranoid and insane seers) with 4 extra results from the baddies. Just making sure that's squared up.
Second! B:L, Xevo's not part of the final roster, you realize? Check the first post for details, 'kay?
Third! Seering ourselves is probably better than seering others on the first night. As mentioned in my first point, if a player seers themselves as innocent, they are known both by themselves and by the group as either true, naive, or evil. If they turn up guilty, they're paranoid, insane, or evil. Going with B:L's plan of seering in a cycle presents us with different possibilities. If all of those killed turn up innocent, then we can use the same arguments to deduce whether the seer of the dead are {true, naive, evil} or {paranoid, insane, evil}. However, the next person in line seering that person, we cannot deduce anything about, not without a lot of grumbling and calculation. I'd much rather work with absolutes than probabilities.
Fourth! I'm going to !retract my vote from PRETENTIOUS and !vote for B:L. I think it might be good luck.
I like this plan; it's full and indepth. Like others mentioned the drawback is that it gives the baddies an extremely narrowed down list with which to pick off the real seers, and with no guardians, they're pretty much ducks in a pond.
Also, what about the person who is going to die tonight? We're going to see 3 deaths, obviously: Vote, badguy group #1, and badguy group #2. The potential lack of confirmation upon death can screw us up, there.
Clarification: Are seer roles revealed upon death?
I think a better plan might be for half the roster to get a double-seering rather than for everyone to seer themselves.
That is, pick eight people from the roster at random. Tonight, those eight people seer themselves. The other eight also seer them. We'd have to openly discuss the targets, of course.
That might give us an even better idea of what's what and there is less room for the bad guys to hide.
I'm just guesstimating the logic involved here, but I think that might work.
Then, tomorrow, we do the same thing with the rest of the living players. Seer themselves, others seer them.
I think a better plan might be for half the roster to get a double-seering rather than for everyone to seer themselves.
That is, pick eight people from the roster at random. Tonight, those eight people seer themselves. The other eight also seer them. We'd have to openly discuss the targets, of course.
That might give us an even better idea of what's what and there is less room for the bad guys to hide.
I'm just guesstimating the logic involved here, but I think that might work.
Then, tomorrow, we do the same thing with the rest of the living players. Seer themselves, others seer them.
Confusion-mongering!
!retract TehSpectre !vote Drez
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HakkekageSpace Whore Academysumma cum laudeRegistered Userregular
edited September 2007
Yeah, Drez...what? Say Ardor gets seered Good and Bad in the narration...what the hell does that tell us?
From what I understand Drez, it won't say that Ardor seered Ardor and this is the result.
Hence, when we double seer people, we allow the bad guys to mess with the powers AND we will have no idea what kind of seers we are.
That kind of plan that gives the bad guys every bit of deceit they were meant to have this game? Earns you my vote.
*chuckle*
First off, you know I would not openly suggest a plan that could help the bad guys. Not one with logical flaws.
Second, did we ever get any kind of clarification as to how the seerings would work? Do we know that cheez won't specify who seered who?
Third, you seem a bit jumpy for someone who offers a counter-suggestion, and a mild one at best. I'm trying to discuss possibilities.
Fourth, and this is to both Ardor and everyone else, you all might as well vote me out right now if the slightest bit of conversation about a possible alternate plan is going to be met with immediate voting without any discussion first. "olol look at his logically-flawed plan, he's obviously bad, stake him." I'm not going to play a logic game where we just blindly accept someone else's logic or else be threatened into being bandwagoned.
If that's how you all want to play, toodles. I thought people might actually play this one differently. If any of these people - Ardor, Bliss 101, or Hakkekage - turn out to be bad guys at the end, I'm going to have a good laugh at the village's expense.
!retract MrBlarney, !vote Drez
I'm not really in the mood for a bandwagony Phalla, sorry. I thought this might be different, which was the only reason I signed up, and it looks like I was mistaken. Please vote me out. P.S. I'm not trying to be melodramatic or anything but I'm not going to bother wasting my time trying to apply logic if everything is going to be immediately shouted down and voted off without even discussion, so...yeah. There's really no reason to continue on. The bad guys can just run the show from now on I guess.
5 pages is not a lot to read Drez. Technically only 3 game pages too. With orange clarifications.
Seering results are public, nobody gets a PM. Who each person seered is not available, only those seered and the results.
The voting occurs like any other, but we have to use those results to ferry out what's right and what's wrong. Nobody will be seering anyone other than themselves tonight, since anyone who does is either screwing the village because they aren't paying attention or they are a bad guy hoping to interfere with someone else's results.
At 3 kills a day with 16 people, we have 5 days to have figured this out. Keep that in mind.
To Drez. Bad guys get to select a target like we do, but they tell Cheez what they want the results to be. So if I was a bad guy, I could say Ardor seered as innocent or evil. Hence, double seering not only tells us nothing, but wastes a whole day of results whereas everyone seering themselves tells them whether they are one of the seers who only see bad, good or a possible true seer.
5 pages is not a lot to read Drez. Technically only 3 game pages too. With orange clarifications.
Seering results are public, nobody gets a PM. Who each person seered is not available, only those seered and the results.
The voting occurs like any other, but we have to use those results to ferry out what's right and what's wrong. Nobody will be seering anyone other than themselves tonight, since anyone who does is either screwing the village because they aren't paying attention or they are a bad guy hoping to interfere with someone else's results.
At 3 kills a day with 16 people, we have 5 days to have figured this out. Keep that in mind.
Sorry, but the "we only have limited time!" excuse doesn't cut it. There's always enough time to discuss plans without voting for someone haphazardly, maybe for a small bit of misplaced logic. If you'll read my post again, it was maybe worthy of discussion, maybe worthy of criticism or correction, and not at all worth a vote. You're either a bad guy or you're playing this particular game in a silly way.
And people jumped on B:L in the same way on the last page.
So, yeah, people are treating this game like a run-of-the-mill bandwagon exercise. And since I don't really feel like participating in that and you guys have to "arbitrarily" vote someone out the first day anyway, I very humbly and undramatically offer myself as that target.
To Drez. Bad guys get to select a target like we do, but they tell Cheez what they want the results to be. So if I was a bad guy, I could say Ardor seered as innocent or evil. Hence, double seering not only tells us nothing, but wastes a whole day of results whereas everyone seering themselves tells them whether they are one of the seers who only see bad, good or a possible true seer.
This would have been a good thing to say in place of "!vote drez" or "you're confusion-mongering!" right off the bat. I'm not just criticizing you here, the other two evil guys that hopped on directly after are guilty of the same thing. Anyway, I'm just not interested anymore. I have limited time myself and I thought this would be more of a puzzl-y/discuss-y game, and it doesn't seem to be.
So, possibilities I've thought of and pros and cons to them. I'm sure I've not thought of nearly everything, but wanted to share what I did think of. It's this or paint a bathroom right now and I'd much rather do this.
Everyone seers themselves:
Pros: Bad guys cannot disrupt the seering results at all as they must seer themselves or one another or they stick out like a sore thumb. We get real clues on what type of seer we each are. It will be narrowed down to two types instead of all 4.
Cons: Unless good guys aren't paying attention or bad guys like eating the vote, this will not show us who any bad guys are, but the information should help for future plans.
Everyone seers a different target agreed upon in advance in public:
Pros: With the skewed results, the bad guys might slip up here and create a group of those seered innocent or guilty, which has a better chance of finding them in. After all, they don't know who the other bad guys are, so they have to be careful what they choose their results to be.
Cons: I don't really need to elaborate too much with this. Likely the bad guys will have one guy seer his target good and the other bad in the attempt to go with the statistical norm and hope we don't find an strange number of good or bad results, making them slightly more vulnerable.
Everyone randomly selects a target:
Pros: Everyone would declare their target the next day and we could try to figure out from those random results, what the results mean. While nobody could trip up here, bad guys can't really hinder this much with their results as nobody knows who is seering who. The trick here is, to not tell anyone who your target is. Doing so allows manipulation to occur.
Cons: We will likely not figure out as much about the results in correlation to who the possible bad guys are. There's a chance, but a small one that someone sticks out, unless they lie about who they seered. Easily manipulated through pms or otherwise. If this is the course to take, we need to make sure everyone agrees to it and nobody follows any last minute plans, which could throw off the whole day's worth of visions.
To Drez. Bad guys get to select a target like we do, but they tell Cheez what they want the results to be. So if I was a bad guy, I could say Ardor seered as innocent or evil. Hence, double seering not only tells us nothing, but wastes a whole day of results whereas everyone seering themselves tells them whether they are one of the seers who only see bad, good or a possible true seer.
This would have been a good thing to say in place of "!vote drez" or "you're confusion-mongering!" right off the bat. I'm not just criticizing you here, the other two evil guys that hopped on directly after are guilty of the same thing. Anyway, I'm just not interested anymore. I have limited time myself and I thought this would be more of a puzzl-y/discuss-y game, and it doesn't seem to be.
That would be more effective for day 2. Come on Drez, you didn't even read the 5 pages here. If you aren't really paying attention, why are you already throwing stuff out there that may have been clarified? You are much better than this.
Anyhow, I believe part of the key to figuring this out is to get a better idea what type of seer each person is first. If I seer innocent, I'm a true or naive seer. If I seer bad, I'm an insane or paranoid seer. That information is worth more than shooting in the dark IMO.
If you want to explain why a double seering is useful, go ahead. I put my thoughts out already and I think this is the best course of action for day 1. I have a different plan designed to set people up or find near confirmed innocents, but that'll wait for day 2. While it might help us find 1-2 bad guys tops, this information is more important.
Also, I think most discussions should stay public. Remember, any manipulation that is successful via pm can screw the pooch here. Take the risk if you want, just keep in mind and prepare to go public with who sent the pm and why at the end of the day, this could help root out bad guys trying to manipulate us all.
I read the early thread, Ardor. I was aware that bad guys can do what you said. I was unaware that cheez clarified the syntax of seer revelations in the OP. And instead of trying to engage me in a conversation about it, I got "o rly you must be a bad guy" by three people, immediately. I think day one is the time for public discussion about plans not "shut up, you're a bad guy," and I'm not the first target of that in this thread.
I'm not trying to come off like a jerk, honest, and I certainly don't have ill feelings or anything, it just seems to be how people want to play this game - paranoid - and that's fine, but I'm really just not interested in participating if that's the case. I'm really, really not and this isn't a plea for people to stop bandwagoning me, just get rid of me since you have to get rid of someone.
I would see if cheez has an alternate lined up but I'm not sure that's appropriate either with a votewagon attached to me, so I'll just take my lumps here for making a suggestion and will go on to do more productive things today. Sorry! I mean, you have to kill someone, might as well be me. Maybe the data from my death will help the village somehow.
edit: My point is that asking me why my suggestion would be useful, at least in this kind of game, should have preceded voting for me. I can just sense that the rest of the game is going to go this way but I expected something different when I signed up.
Drez on
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HakkekageSpace Whore Academysumma cum laudeRegistered Userregular
edited September 2007
Sorry, Drez, but you are coming off as a major jerk.
It's Monday, hun. Alot of us are busy. I know I'm in the middle of something else. So I come back, read what I can, and deduce that for now, you're the best target. It's a placeholder vote in case I can't come back and do some hardcore thinking. It happens all the time. For Christ's sake, it's not even noon; there is plenty of time for this 'bandwagon' to turn around. It's only three people, so stop getting your knickers in a twist.
If it'll make you feel better, !retract Drez. Acting petulant is probably not a baddie move anyway.
edit: Nevermind, I don't want to derail the game anymore. I've asked cheez if he has an alternate. There shouldn't be any hard feelings on either side. This is nothing more than someone asking you if you want to play a board game and after ten minutes you realize you just don't want to. I'm really not trying to come off as a jerk.
Just carry on, please.
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thorgotthere is special providencein the fall of a sparrowRegistered Userregular
edited September 2007
I !vote Bliss, on a hunch. Though given my success rates on hunches, he's probably a useful seer.
By seering ourselves, it narrows down our roles to one of two. The next day, most people will get the same reading (naives and paranoid will get the same, and most insane or sane will choose another seer, getting the same result). But a few people will know for certain that they have found a monster, because their second target had the opposite reading as themselves.
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When the results come in tomorrow, we will have a real idea on the true seers AND we get to look into the extra results. What we know is that there will be at least 6 innocent seerings and 3 guilty seerings tonight. What we don't know, are how many extra of each will show up.
I mean, I'd love it if all the bad guys wanted to try to hide in the "I seered innocent" crowd, because then the 3 guilty are actually our only confirmed innocents. However, if 4 guilty seerings are found, we may have a good chance at scouring that group to find the 1 bad guy in it.
We can adjust as we go. The most important thing though, is that everyone will know what their seer power is and everyone else will have a good idea as well. That information should come in handy later on.
Second! B:L, Xevo's not part of the final roster, you realize? Check the first post for details, 'kay?
Third! Seering ourselves is probably better than seering others on the first night. As mentioned in my first point, if a player seers themselves as innocent, they are known both by themselves and by the group as either true, naive, or evil. If they turn up guilty, they're paranoid, insane, or evil. Going with B:L's plan of seering in a cycle presents us with different possibilities. If all of those killed turn up innocent, then we can use the same arguments to deduce whether the seer of the dead are {true, naive, evil} or {paranoid, insane, evil}. However, the next person in line seering that person, we cannot deduce anything about, not without a lot of grumbling and calculation. I'd much rather work with absolutes than probabilities.
Fourth! I'm going to !retract my vote from PRETENTIOUS and !vote for B:L. I think it might be good luck.
Hey TS. You don't want to kill me. I'm a seer.
Bliss, keep your goo-covered hands away from me.
!Retract Xevo
!Vote Blarney
We're pretty much thinking that using Ardor's plan for the first night, then my cycling plan for the following nights would produce the most results. You're normally more observant than to make an unreasonable vote like that, especially with such aggression.
Edit: Colors fixxed.
Retract in lime! Vote in red!
And yes, seering ourselves night one and cycling on the next night will provide the best results. Probably. After that, on night 3 and beyond, we should have enough information to really go after those baddies.
EDIT: Also, I'm apparently not that good a judge of character based on the recent French Revolution Phalla. (I was at PAX, c'mon!)
I have no idea what timezone Cheez is in. I've never heard of the abbreviation, even. I'm currently in GMT+2 (so it's 10:50 here, now), but what time is it in Cheez-zone?
Wow. This is the first time someone in a Phalla is on the same time zone with me.
Is it a sign? I wonder what it means.
Finland.
Two tequila
Three tequila
Floor
Lightweight.
I think it's an interesting plan.
!vote MrBlarney
I like this plan; it's full and indepth. Like others mentioned the drawback is that it gives the baddies an extremely narrowed down list with which to pick off the real seers, and with no guardians, they're pretty much ducks in a pond.
Also, what about the person who is going to die tonight? We're going to see 3 deaths, obviously: Vote, badguy group #1, and badguy group #2. The potential lack of confirmation upon death can screw us up, there.
Clarification: Are seer roles revealed upon death?
NNID: Hakkekage
That is, pick eight people from the roster at random. Tonight, those eight people seer themselves. The other eight also seer them. We'd have to openly discuss the targets, of course.
That might give us an even better idea of what's what and there is less room for the bad guys to hide.
I'm just guesstimating the logic involved here, but I think that might work.
Then, tomorrow, we do the same thing with the rest of the living players. Seer themselves, others seer them.
From what I understand Drez, it won't say that Ardor seered Ardor and this is the result.
Hence, when we double seer people, we allow the bad guys to mess with the powers AND we will have no idea what kind of seers we are.
That kind of plan that gives the bad guys every bit of deceit they were meant to have this game? Earns you my vote.
Confusion-mongering!
!retract TehSpectre
!vote Drez
Also !vote Drez for not being me.
NNID: Hakkekage
*chuckle*
First off, you know I would not openly suggest a plan that could help the bad guys. Not one with logical flaws.
Second, did we ever get any kind of clarification as to how the seerings would work? Do we know that cheez won't specify who seered who?
Third, you seem a bit jumpy for someone who offers a counter-suggestion, and a mild one at best. I'm trying to discuss possibilities.
Fourth, and this is to both Ardor and everyone else, you all might as well vote me out right now if the slightest bit of conversation about a possible alternate plan is going to be met with immediate voting without any discussion first. "olol look at his logically-flawed plan, he's obviously bad, stake him." I'm not going to play a logic game where we just blindly accept someone else's logic or else be threatened into being bandwagoned.
If that's how you all want to play, toodles. I thought people might actually play this one differently. If any of these people - Ardor, Bliss 101, or Hakkekage - turn out to be bad guys at the end, I'm going to have a good laugh at the village's expense.
!retract MrBlarney, !vote Drez
I'm not really in the mood for a bandwagony Phalla, sorry. I thought this might be different, which was the only reason I signed up, and it looks like I was mistaken. Please vote me out. P.S. I'm not trying to be melodramatic or anything but I'm not going to bother wasting my time trying to apply logic if everything is going to be immediately shouted down and voted off without even discussion, so...yeah. There's really no reason to continue on. The bad guys can just run the show from now on I guess.
Seering results are public, nobody gets a PM. Who each person seered is not available, only those seered and the results.
The voting occurs like any other, but we have to use those results to ferry out what's right and what's wrong. Nobody will be seering anyone other than themselves tonight, since anyone who does is either screwing the village because they aren't paying attention or they are a bad guy hoping to interfere with someone else's results.
At 3 kills a day with 16 people, we have 5 days to have figured this out. Keep that in mind.
To Drez. Bad guys get to select a target like we do, but they tell Cheez what they want the results to be. So if I was a bad guy, I could say Ardor seered as innocent or evil. Hence, double seering not only tells us nothing, but wastes a whole day of results whereas everyone seering themselves tells them whether they are one of the seers who only see bad, good or a possible true seer.
Sorry, but the "we only have limited time!" excuse doesn't cut it. There's always enough time to discuss plans without voting for someone haphazardly, maybe for a small bit of misplaced logic. If you'll read my post again, it was maybe worthy of discussion, maybe worthy of criticism or correction, and not at all worth a vote. You're either a bad guy or you're playing this particular game in a silly way.
And people jumped on B:L in the same way on the last page.
So, yeah, people are treating this game like a run-of-the-mill bandwagon exercise. And since I don't really feel like participating in that and you guys have to "arbitrarily" vote someone out the first day anyway, I very humbly and undramatically offer myself as that target.
This would have been a good thing to say in place of "!vote drez" or "you're confusion-mongering!" right off the bat. I'm not just criticizing you here, the other two evil guys that hopped on directly after are guilty of the same thing. Anyway, I'm just not interested anymore. I have limited time myself and I thought this would be more of a puzzl-y/discuss-y game, and it doesn't seem to be.
Everyone seers themselves:
Pros: Bad guys cannot disrupt the seering results at all as they must seer themselves or one another or they stick out like a sore thumb. We get real clues on what type of seer we each are. It will be narrowed down to two types instead of all 4.
Cons: Unless good guys aren't paying attention or bad guys like eating the vote, this will not show us who any bad guys are, but the information should help for future plans.
Everyone seers a different target agreed upon in advance in public:
Pros: With the skewed results, the bad guys might slip up here and create a group of those seered innocent or guilty, which has a better chance of finding them in. After all, they don't know who the other bad guys are, so they have to be careful what they choose their results to be.
Cons: I don't really need to elaborate too much with this. Likely the bad guys will have one guy seer his target good and the other bad in the attempt to go with the statistical norm and hope we don't find an strange number of good or bad results, making them slightly more vulnerable.
Everyone randomly selects a target:
Pros: Everyone would declare their target the next day and we could try to figure out from those random results, what the results mean. While nobody could trip up here, bad guys can't really hinder this much with their results as nobody knows who is seering who. The trick here is, to not tell anyone who your target is. Doing so allows manipulation to occur.
Cons: We will likely not figure out as much about the results in correlation to who the possible bad guys are. There's a chance, but a small one that someone sticks out, unless they lie about who they seered. Easily manipulated through pms or otherwise. If this is the course to take, we need to make sure everyone agrees to it and nobody follows any last minute plans, which could throw off the whole day's worth of visions.
That's what I thought up.
That would be more effective for day 2. Come on Drez, you didn't even read the 5 pages here. If you aren't really paying attention, why are you already throwing stuff out there that may have been clarified? You are much better than this.
Anyhow, I believe part of the key to figuring this out is to get a better idea what type of seer each person is first. If I seer innocent, I'm a true or naive seer. If I seer bad, I'm an insane or paranoid seer. That information is worth more than shooting in the dark IMO.
If you want to explain why a double seering is useful, go ahead. I put my thoughts out already and I think this is the best course of action for day 1. I have a different plan designed to set people up or find near confirmed innocents, but that'll wait for day 2. While it might help us find 1-2 bad guys tops, this information is more important.
Also, I think most discussions should stay public. Remember, any manipulation that is successful via pm can screw the pooch here. Take the risk if you want, just keep in mind and prepare to go public with who sent the pm and why at the end of the day, this could help root out bad guys trying to manipulate us all.
I'm not trying to come off like a jerk, honest, and I certainly don't have ill feelings or anything, it just seems to be how people want to play this game - paranoid - and that's fine, but I'm really just not interested in participating if that's the case. I'm really, really not and this isn't a plea for people to stop bandwagoning me, just get rid of me since you have to get rid of someone.
I would see if cheez has an alternate lined up but I'm not sure that's appropriate either with a votewagon attached to me, so I'll just take my lumps here for making a suggestion and will go on to do more productive things today. Sorry! I mean, you have to kill someone, might as well be me. Maybe the data from my death will help the village somehow.
edit: My point is that asking me why my suggestion would be useful, at least in this kind of game, should have preceded voting for me. I can just sense that the rest of the game is going to go this way but I expected something different when I signed up.
It's Monday, hun. Alot of us are busy. I know I'm in the middle of something else. So I come back, read what I can, and deduce that for now, you're the best target. It's a placeholder vote in case I can't come back and do some hardcore thinking. It happens all the time. For Christ's sake, it's not even noon; there is plenty of time for this 'bandwagon' to turn around. It's only three people, so stop getting your knickers in a twist.
If it'll make you feel better, !retract Drez. Acting petulant is probably not a baddie move anyway.
NNID: Hakkekage
Just carry on, please.
By seering ourselves, it narrows down our roles to one of two. The next day, most people will get the same reading (naives and paranoid will get the same, and most insane or sane will choose another seer, getting the same result). But a few people will know for certain that they have found a monster, because their second target had the opposite reading as themselves.