Well, the way I see it, the only way Batman could take her on and not just send her back home everytime she shows up, is if she actually manages to save his ass somehow. Of course, normally he's godlike and invincible, so this means messing up just as she happens to be there...
But they keep messing her up too. She never outright saves him, just buys him a minute before she gets tied up. So she has to keep proving herself, which means Batman has to keep getting his ass kicked.
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Just got back from my first time at the comic shop
Picked up Nightwing: Year One, Batman: No Man's Land vol 2, and Batman: Bruce Wayne: Murderer?. Oh, and Penny Arcade, since it was $.25
They didn't have NML vol 3, so I just didn't pick up vol 4 or 5. I don't know when I'm actually going to read NML, since all I have is vol 1 & 2. And they didn't have A Knight in Blüdhaven, so I didn't pick up some more Nightwing trades.
Edit: And of course this store had every single Hush figure except for Nightwing. The prices were high, though ($18), so I didn't get any.
I thought of something today that bothers me. In hush issue six him and Tommy are looking at green lantern Alan Scott fight the Icicle, but this is all pre-crisis how is this possible? Aw well who cares.
How is Alan Scott fighting Icicle pre-Crisis?
The idea of Alan Scott as an "old-school" hero still exists post-Crisis.
Because the Icicle that Alan Scott would have fought doesn't exist post crisis.
The one in the current universe showed up within the last few years.
But the current Icicle (Cameron Mahkent) is supposed to be the son of the "Golden Age" Icicle (Dr. Joar Mahkent), isn't he? I realise the original Icicle died during Crisis, but there were references to his existance Post-Crisis, including a storyline where he had willed his estate to the Flash. He wasn't "erased from existence", he just died in the chaos. People still remember him and he still exists in the Post-Crisis DCU timeline.
"Dying" during the crisis is pretty vague. To argue whether or not ceasing to exist counts as dying is to just argue semantics.
The most obvious explanation is that Jeph Leob didn't know that the original Icicle died during the Crisis, but wanted to use him anyways and the editors just approved it.
To argue anything about a fictional universe is silly, but as far as I can tell, there's no reason why Alan Scott Fighting the original Icicle while a young Bruce Wayne watched violates Post-Crisis continuity.
To argue anything about a fictional universe is silly, but as far as I can tell, there's no reason why Alan Scott Fighting the original Icicle while a young Bruce Wayne watched violates Post-Crisis continuity.
Because Post-Crisis Icicle shouldn't have existed at that time.
There's no logical explanation for how he went from dead to alive.
I'm not following you. Icicle died during Crisis (when Bruce Wayne was an adult). I don't see why a younger Icicle couldn't have been fighting Alan Scott back when Bruce was a kid (say, 20-25 years earlier).
I'm not following you. Icicle died during Crisis (when Bruce Wayne was an adult). I don't see why a younger Icicle couldn't have been fighting Alan Scott back when Bruce was a kid (say, 20-25 years earlier).
And this is where you get into those semantics. Did he "die" in the crisis, or was he one of the millions simply erased from existence?
But the current Icicle (Cameron Mahkent) is supposed to be the son of the "Golden Age" Icicle (Dr. Joar Mahkent), isn't he? I realise the original Icicle died during Crisis, but there were references to his existance Post-Crisis, including a storyline where he had willed his estate to the Flash. He wasn't "erased from existence", he just died in the chaos. People still remember him and he still exists in the Post-Crisis DCU timeline.
He "died", that's what I was saying above. He wasn't "uncreated" like Helena Wayne or any of the other "forgotten" characters. As far as everyone in the Post-Crisis DCU is concerned, the villain known as the Icicle died right around the time that Crisis took place (how they remember his death is anybody's guess). Now his son Cameron has decided to follow in his father's footsteps as the new Icicle.
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I read Nightwing: Year One last night. Thought it was pretty good. Had all of Dick's charm. I've noticed that I hate the way time passes in comics. Like, a bunch of arcs could take place over a month or so, but stuff like Year One takes a year even though it feels like a couple of weeks (if that).
What are the order of the Nightwing trades? I remember seeing that A Knight in Blüdhaven was first, but Year One suggests something else (forget what it was).
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Is Superman/Batman: Alternate Histories any good? I mean, Batman as a pirate seems like an absolute win, but there are ways to ruin everything.
Also, I'm reading through Bruce Wayne: Murderer now. Trevor McCarthy (did the Nightwing issue in BW:M) is fucking terrible. That's the first time I looked at comic art and went, "ugh"
Is Superman/Batman: Alternate Histories any good? I mean, Batman as a pirate seems like an absolute win, but there are ways to ruin everything.
Also, I'm reading through Bruce Wayne: Murderer now. Trevor McCarthy (did the Nightwing issue in BW:M) is fucking terrible. That's the first time I looked at comic art and went, "ugh"
Is that an Elseworlds trade? Because the Pirate Batman Elseworlds was BADASS.
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Yeah, it's an Elseworlds.
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I just finished Bruce Wayne: Murderer? and what the fuck, it can't end that way.
[spoiler:9939969d33]how do I find out who did it? [/spoiler:9939969d33]
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Is Superman/Batman: Alternate Histories any good? I mean, Batman as a pirate seems like an absolute win, but there are ways to ruin everything.
If I remember right, that has three Elseworlds in it, and they all fall into the realm of pretty decent to good. The Batman one (Leatherwing) is kind of neat, just for the novelty of Batman-as-a-pirate. The Steel issue has art by Humberto Ramos, who's a personal favorite of mine, and details what John Henry Irons would have done had he been a blacksmith slave in pre-Civil War America. Then there's a Superman story where Jor-El crash lands on Earth and takes over the American colonies, and his son Clark Kent becomes a Revolutionary to stop him. It's probably my favorite of the three, as it doesn't just paste the characters into a different time period senselessly, but instead tells a good, thought-provoking story.
not to be off topic but fucking capcom should grab the DC license, I want to see Batman and Green Lantern in fighting game action. But pretty hopeless since they gave up on fighting games or games really alltogether.
not to be off topic but fucking capcom should grab the DC license, I want to see Batman and Green Lantern in fighting game action. But pretty hopeless since they gave up on fighting games or games really alltogether.
Someone would pick Superman and there would be no stopping him, unless Batman could do a move where he slowed down time and had time to come up with some tactics, or pull out a kryptonite ring, than Superman would rape everyone/
not to be off topic but fucking capcom should grab the DC license, I want to see Batman and Green Lantern in fighting game action. But pretty hopeless since they gave up on fighting games or games really alltogether.
Someone would pick Superman and there would be no stopping him, unless Batman could do a move where he slowed down time and had time to come up with some tactics, or pull out a kryptonite ring, than Superman would rape everyone/
He'd be slightly powered down and not invincible, even the most powerful characters in marvel weren't invincible in MvC games.
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Captain Marvel can take Superman.
but then who will take down CM?
It could work anyway. It's not like you kill your opponents in MvC, you just knock them out. Superman can be beaten up by the other heroes.
It could work anyway. It's not like you kill your opponents in MvC, you just knock them out. Superman can be beaten up by the other heroes.
Shit I forgot about Captain Marvel, we were just talking about them going against and with each other tonight at my local shop. I am just saying Superman would have an advantage over anyone, and if it was based on the "reality" of the universe than not many people that would be included in the game would stand a chance.
not to be off topic but fucking capcom should grab the DC license, I want to see Batman and Green Lantern in fighting game action. But pretty hopeless since they gave up on fighting games or games really alltogether.
Someone would pick Superman and there would be no stopping him, unless Batman could do a move where he slowed down time and had time to come up with some tactics, or pull out a kryptonite ring, than Superman would rape everyone/
He'd be slightly powered down and not invincible, even the most powerful characters in marvel weren't invincible in MvC games.
You know, as the GL advocate I thought I should ask......Supes goes on the rampage and everyone goes "OH NOES! GET BATMAN!" but wouldn't it make more sense to a Green Lantern? Stay with me on this one, the Guardians know a great deal about the universe, so chances are they know the complete chemical makeup of kryptonite. Kryptonite is green. You take any of the scientifically inclined Lanterns, or recruit a few that can literally see the chemical composition in their heads, just like Kyle seeing the art in his head or John and his architect blueprints for his power ring constructs.
It isn't too far of a stretch that you could do the same and modify a green beam into a kryptonite beam and just zap him out of the sky. To my knowledge (although I still have to read the 400+ issues I have sitting here of GL v2 and v3) none of the GL's ever tried this. Hell you could preprogram it into every ring....... just why is it everyone has atendenc to go "Go tell Batman to get his stash of kryptonite" instead of "You know, we have 3 or 4 guys running around the planet that control all things green, Kryptonite is green......someone go call Kyle."
I was not aware that Green Lanterns "controlled all things green."
Well I remember reading that somewhere when I was little, being that it's the opposite of not being able to affect anything yellow. Obviously current events would make that untrue now. Even if they don't "control all things green" it's still entirely valid that a GL with and understand of what kryptonite was amde of, or if it was pre programmed into a ring, could totally kick a kryptonians ass or at least subdue him for a time in the DC MMORPG.
Power rings allow the user to fly and to cover themselves and others with a protective force field, suitable for travelling through outer space. They can also generate beams and solid structures of energy that can be moved simply by thinking about doing so, enabling the user to create cages, transportation platforms, walls, and battering rams. The ring can also be used to search for energy signatures or particular objects. It can serve as a universal translator. The ring can manipulate sub-atomic particles (effectively producing new elements) and split atoms, but those powers are rarely used by Green Lanterns.
I was not aware that Green Lanterns "controlled all things green."
Well I remember reading that somewhere when I was little, being that it's the opposite of not being able to affect anything yellow. Obviously current events would make that untrue now. Even if they don't "control all things green" it's still entirely valid that a GL with and understand of what kryptonite was amde of, or if it was pre programmed into a ring, could totally kick a kryptonians ass or at least subdue him for a time in the DC MMORPG.
Since when are the Green Lanterns capable of making complex molecular structures like Kryptonite?
In all my years of reading it I was left with the understanding that the best they could do were energy constructs.
I was not aware that Green Lanterns "controlled all things green."
Well I remember reading that somewhere when I was little, being that it's the opposite of not being able to affect anything yellow. Obviously current events would make that untrue now. Even if they don't "control all things green" it's still entirely valid that a GL with and understand of what kryptonite was amde of, or if it was pre programmed into a ring, could totally kick a kryptonians ass or at least subdue him for a time in the DC MMORPG.
First of all, there's not a whole lot of Kryptonian ass to be kicked.
And secondly, I'm not sure such an artificially created form of Kryptonite would actually affect Superman. It's all pretty debateable. Not like you would need fake stuff, that crap's everywhere.
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I was not aware that Green Lanterns "controlled all things green."
Well I remember reading that somewhere when I was little, being that it's the opposite of not being able to affect anything yellow. Obviously current events would make that untrue now. Even if they don't "control all things green" it's still entirely valid that a GL with and understand of what kryptonite was amde of, or if it was pre programmed into a ring, could totally kick a kryptonians ass or at least subdue him for a time in the DC MMORPG.
First of all, there's not a whole lot of Kryptonian ass to be kicked.
And secondly, I'm not sure such an artificially created form of Kryptonite would actually affect Superman. It's all pretty debateable. Not like you would need fake stuff, that crap's everywhere.
Well the Wiki says they can make a new elements, so it wouldn't be too ahrd to just use the right proportions of the existing ones. Making artificial radioactive isotopes don't make them any less deadly to humans.
I was not aware that Green Lanterns "controlled all things green."
Well I remember reading that somewhere when I was little, being that it's the opposite of not being able to affect anything yellow. Obviously current events would make that untrue now. Even if they don't "control all things green" it's still entirely valid that a GL with and understand of what kryptonite was amde of, or if it was pre programmed into a ring, could totally kick a kryptonians ass or at least subdue him for a time in the DC MMORPG.
Power rings allow the user to fly and to cover themselves and others with a protective force field, suitable for travelling through outer space. They can also generate beams and solid structures of energy that can be moved simply by thinking about doing so, enabling the user to create cages, transportation platforms, walls, and battering rams. The ring can also be used to search for energy signatures or particular objects. It can serve as a universal translator. The ring can manipulate sub-atomic particles (effectively producing new elements) and split atoms, but those powers are rarely used by Green Lanterns.
I'm calling bullshit. The wiki is not the end-all, be-all. This is more than likely a piece of information from the pre-crisis, silver age GL.
GLC rings can also be used to emit simulated radiation from Green Kryptonite. This radiation is apparently just as powerful and painful to Superman and other Kryptonians as the genuine rays, but the ring wielder needs to concentrate to maintain this effect. An alien imposter who stole Jordan's ring used this ability to subdue Superman in order to kill him, only to be struck by Jordan to break his concentration to allow Superman to recover and attack.
OK I asked a stupid question, it must be somewhere in GL v2 and since I've hardly read any of those yet I didn't know.
Still that raises the question why no one calls a Lantern with Superman going nuts, or like in IC we have SB Prime and E2 Supes wanting to start some trouble. It's being argued whether it would work or not on [email protected] Supes but the fact is noe one even bothers to try. Can I chalk it it up to "It's too easy to do it that way" or is there some other reason?
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Banging Batgirl is fucking with his mind.
He WHAT?
She is quite abundant in this season.
Abundant and annoying.
But they keep messing her up too. She never outright saves him, just buys him a minute before she gets tied up. So she has to keep proving herself, which means Batman has to keep getting his ass kicked.
Picked up Nightwing: Year One, Batman: No Man's Land vol 2, and Batman: Bruce Wayne: Murderer?. Oh, and Penny Arcade, since it was $.25
They didn't have NML vol 3, so I just didn't pick up vol 4 or 5. I don't know when I'm actually going to read NML, since all I have is vol 1 & 2. And they didn't have A Knight in Blüdhaven, so I didn't pick up some more Nightwing trades.
Edit: And of course this store had every single Hush figure except for Nightwing. The prices were high, though ($18), so I didn't get any.
But the current Icicle (Cameron Mahkent) is supposed to be the son of the "Golden Age" Icicle (Dr. Joar Mahkent), isn't he? I realise the original Icicle died during Crisis, but there were references to his existance Post-Crisis, including a storyline where he had willed his estate to the Flash. He wasn't "erased from existence", he just died in the chaos. People still remember him and he still exists in the Post-Crisis DCU timeline.
Wikipedia entry
"Dying" during the crisis is pretty vague. To argue whether or not ceasing to exist counts as dying is to just argue semantics.
The most obvious explanation is that Jeph Leob didn't know that the original Icicle died during the Crisis, but wanted to use him anyways and the editors just approved it.
Because Post-Crisis Icicle shouldn't have existed at that time.
There's no logical explanation for how he went from dead to alive.
And this is where you get into those semantics. Did he "die" in the crisis, or was he one of the millions simply erased from existence?
He "died", that's what I was saying above. He wasn't "uncreated" like Helena Wayne or any of the other "forgotten" characters. As far as everyone in the Post-Crisis DCU is concerned, the villain known as the Icicle died right around the time that Crisis took place (how they remember his death is anybody's guess). Now his son Cameron has decided to follow in his father's footsteps as the new Icicle.
What are the order of the Nightwing trades? I remember seeing that A Knight in Blüdhaven was first, but Year One suggests something else (forget what it was).
http://www.livejournal.com/community/scans_daily/1261448.html?#cutid1
Also, I'm reading through Bruce Wayne: Murderer now. Trevor McCarthy (did the Nightwing issue in BW:M) is fucking terrible. That's the first time I looked at comic art and went, "ugh"
Is that an Elseworlds trade? Because the Pirate Batman Elseworlds was BADASS.
[spoiler:9939969d33]how do I find out who did it?
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Then it is badass.
If I remember right, that has three Elseworlds in it, and they all fall into the realm of pretty decent to good. The Batman one (Leatherwing) is kind of neat, just for the novelty of Batman-as-a-pirate. The Steel issue has art by Humberto Ramos, who's a personal favorite of mine, and details what John Henry Irons would have done had he been a blacksmith slave in pre-Civil War America. Then there's a Superman story where Jor-El crash lands on Earth and takes over the American colonies, and his son Clark Kent becomes a Revolutionary to stop him. It's probably my favorite of the three, as it doesn't just paste the characters into a different time period senselessly, but instead tells a good, thought-provoking story.
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When did this happen and why wasn't I informed?
It happened sometime between the end of batman: the animated series and batman beyond. It was constantly alluded to in BB.
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Someone would pick Superman and there would be no stopping him, unless Batman could do a move where he slowed down time and had time to come up with some tactics, or pull out a kryptonite ring, than Superman would rape everyone/
He'd be slightly powered down and not invincible, even the most powerful characters in marvel weren't invincible in MvC games.
but then who will take down CM?
It could work anyway. It's not like you kill your opponents in MvC, you just knock them out. Superman can be beaten up by the other heroes.
Shit I forgot about Captain Marvel, we were just talking about them going against and with each other tonight at my local shop. I am just saying Superman would have an advantage over anyone, and if it was based on the "reality" of the universe than not many people that would be included in the game would stand a chance.
I think Superman would be somewhat not unstopable.
You know, as the GL advocate I thought I should ask......Supes goes on the rampage and everyone goes "OH NOES! GET BATMAN!" but wouldn't it make more sense to a Green Lantern? Stay with me on this one, the Guardians know a great deal about the universe, so chances are they know the complete chemical makeup of kryptonite. Kryptonite is green. You take any of the scientifically inclined Lanterns, or recruit a few that can literally see the chemical composition in their heads, just like Kyle seeing the art in his head or John and his architect blueprints for his power ring constructs.
It isn't too far of a stretch that you could do the same and modify a green beam into a kryptonite beam and just zap him out of the sky. To my knowledge (although I still have to read the 400+ issues I have sitting here of GL v2 and v3) none of the GL's ever tried this. Hell you could preprogram it into every ring....... just why is it everyone has atendenc to go "Go tell Batman to get his stash of kryptonite" instead of "You know, we have 3 or 4 guys running around the planet that control all things green, Kryptonite is green......someone go call Kyle."
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Well I remember reading that somewhere when I was little, being that it's the opposite of not being able to affect anything yellow. Obviously current events would make that untrue now. Even if they don't "control all things green" it's still entirely valid that a GL with and understand of what kryptonite was amde of, or if it was pre programmed into a ring, could totally kick a kryptonians ass or at least subdue him for a time in the DC MMORPG.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Lantern#Powers_and_abilities
Since when are the Green Lanterns capable of making complex molecular structures like Kryptonite?
In all my years of reading it I was left with the understanding that the best they could do were energy constructs.
First of all, there's not a whole lot of Kryptonian ass to be kicked.
And secondly, I'm not sure such an artificially created form of Kryptonite would actually affect Superman. It's all pretty debateable. Not like you would need fake stuff, that crap's everywhere.
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Well the Wiki says they can make a new elements, so it wouldn't be too ahrd to just use the right proportions of the existing ones. Making artificial radioactive isotopes don't make them any less deadly to humans.
I'm calling bullshit. The wiki is not the end-all, be-all. This is more than likely a piece of information from the pre-crisis, silver age GL.
OK I asked a stupid question, it must be somewhere in GL v2 and since I've hardly read any of those yet I didn't know.
Still that raises the question why no one calls a Lantern with Superman going nuts, or like in IC we have SB Prime and E2 Supes wanting to start some trouble. It's being argued whether it would work or not on [email protected] Supes but the fact is noe one even bothers to try. Can I chalk it it up to "It's too easy to do it that way" or is there some other reason?