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  • Bad KarmaBad Karma Registered User
    edited October 2006
    hughtron wrote:
    I don't know about this Paul Dini run guys.

    I mean, the stories are great, but the art is so crappy. Seriously JH Williams, all you do is draw all day. It is your job. How do you not starve to death?

    He's only on the first two issues...and crappy art? Are you reading Morrison's Batman?

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  • CariblueCariblue Registered User
    edited October 2006
    Bad Karma wrote:
    hughtron wrote:
    I don't know about this Paul Dini run guys.

    I mean, the stories are great, but the art is so crappy. Seriously JH Williams, all you do is draw all day. It is your job. How do you not starve to death?

    He's only on the first two issues...and crappy art? Are you reading Morrison's Batman?

    Kramer does Dini's run so he must be confused.

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  • Bad KarmaBad Karma Registered User
    edited October 2006
    Cariblue wrote:
    Bad Karma wrote:
    hughtron wrote:
    I don't know about this Paul Dini run guys.

    I mean, the stories are great, but the art is so crappy. Seriously JH Williams, all you do is draw all day. It is your job. How do you not starve to death?

    He's only on the first two issues...and crappy art? Are you reading Morrison's Batman?

    Kramer does Dini's run so he must be confused.

    Kramer hate? Bah. Bah I say.

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  • BriareosBriareos Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    Who here reads Nightwing and agrees with me that the last 4-6 months of this book have been far less than stellar? I'm ready to drop it in favor of something more interesting, like the new Flash series.

    Robin, on the other hand, has been pretty good.

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  • Sars_BoySars_Boy Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    JH Williams is supposed to be drawing it, but apparently he can't draw more than one book every 6 months or some shit.

    Also, he fucked up his schedule with conflicts.

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  • hughtronhughtron __BANNED USERS
    edited October 2006
    Bad Karma wrote:
    Cariblue wrote:
    Bad Karma wrote:
    hughtron wrote:
    I don't know about this Paul Dini run guys.

    I mean, the stories are great, but the art is so crappy. Seriously JH Williams, all you do is draw all day. It is your job. How do you not starve to death?

    He's only on the first two issues...and crappy art? Are you reading Morrison's Batman?

    Kramer does Dini's run so he must be confused.

    Kramer hate? Bah. Bah I say.
    Yeah, that was kind of confusing.

    Williams is awesome.
    Kramer is not awesome.

    I want more JH Williams issues. I wish he drew faster.

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  • SentrySentry Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    Briareos wrote:
    Who here reads Nightwing and agrees with me that the last 4-6 months of this book have been far less than stellar? I'm ready to drop it in favor of something more interesting, like the new Flash series.

    Robin, on the other hand, has been pretty good.

    The last arc made me vomit in terror... no... wait... sadness. But now that Wolfman is on it, it's going to get better.

    It is. I promise.

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  • Sars_BoySars_Boy Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    Briareos wrote:
    Who here reads Nightwing and agrees with me that the last 4-6 months of this book have been far less than stellar? I'm ready to drop it in favor of something more interesting, like the new Flash series.

    Robin, on the other hand, has been pretty good.

    I take it you haven't read the new Flash series then.

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  • deadonthestreetdeadonthestreet Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    Sars_Boy wrote:
    Briareos wrote:
    Who here reads Nightwing and agrees with me that the last 4-6 months of this book have been far less than stellar? I'm ready to drop it in favor of something more interesting, like the new Flash series.

    Robin, on the other hand, has been pretty good.

    I take it you haven't read the new Flash series then.
    The first issue was real bad, but it has been getting better.

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  • BriareosBriareos Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    Sars_Boy wrote:
    Briareos wrote:
    Who here reads Nightwing and agrees with me that the last 4-6 months of this book have been far less than stellar? I'm ready to drop it in favor of something more interesting, like the new Flash series.

    Robin, on the other hand, has been pretty good.

    I take it you haven't read the new Flash series then.

    I'm always willing to give a new book about six months to get its shit together. The first issue was meh, but it has been getting better.

    I have my shop pull Nightwing for me, but not the Flash. So when I say switch, I mean telling the shop to stop pulling Nightwing and start pulling the Flash. Both series are on a short leash, but the Flash's stock is rising while Nightwing's is taking a nose-dive.

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  • watchthesparkswatchthesparks Registered User
    edited October 2006
    i only started reading nightwing a year and a half ago, and i have no idea why i still do. every arc i've read through has been pretty terrible. i had a lot of high hopes coming out of infinite crisis, he was actually kinda cool in that, but the first one year later story was terrible. the last issue was ok though, nothing great, but for nightwing it was a huge improvement. i'll give it a few more months i guess.

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  • Bad KarmaBad Karma Registered User
    edited October 2006
    hughtron wrote:
    Bad Karma wrote:
    Cariblue wrote:
    Bad Karma wrote:
    hughtron wrote:
    I don't know about this Paul Dini run guys.

    I mean, the stories are great, but the art is so crappy. Seriously JH Williams, all you do is draw all day. It is your job. How do you not starve to death?

    He's only on the first two issues...and crappy art? Are you reading Morrison's Batman?

    Kramer does Dini's run so he must be confused.

    Kramer hate? Bah. Bah I say.
    Yeah, that was kind of confusing.

    Williams is awesome.
    Kramer is not awesome.

    I want more JH Williams issues. I wish he drew faster.

    Lay off the K-Man..just..no. To distract you..heres a funny smiley! :rotate:

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  • hughtronhughtron __BANNED USERS
    edited October 2006
    lolicaust

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  • Garlic BreadGarlic Bread Registered User, Disagreeable regular
    edited October 2006
    i only started reading nightwing a year and a half ago, and i have no idea why i still do. every arc i've read through has been pretty terrible. i had a lot of high hopes coming out of infinite crisis, he was actually kinda cool in that, but the first one year later story was terrible. the last issue was ok though, nothing great, but for nightwing it was a huge improvement. i'll give it a few more months i guess.

    if you want good Nightwing, read Chuck Dixon's stuff

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  • DouglasDangerDouglasDanger PennsylvaniaRegistered User regular
    edited October 2006
    Man the first issue or maybe second issue of Nightwing has a really awesome fight in it

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  • TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited October 2006
    DKR sure has some crazy shit in it. batman with a gun? crazy shit.

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  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    DKR sure has some crazy shit in it. batman with a gun? crazy shit.
    That part really gave me my first shock of the book. It was the first taste of Batman's change in attitude, and such a big one that I had to go back and make sure I was reading it right. "Holy shit, did Batman just shoot that guy?!" You know he really means business this time.

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  • TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited October 2006
    seems a bit too far out of character for me to be honest

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  • augustaugust where you come from is gone Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    He shot a guy and smiled about it.

    Yay Frank Miller.

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    Pac Man's character is difficult to explain even to the Japanese -- he is an innocent character. He hasn't been educated to discern between good and evil. He acts more like a small child than a grown-up person. Think of him as a child learning in the course of his daily activities. If someone tells him guns are evil, he would be the type to rush out and eat guns. But he would most probably eat any gun, even the pistols of policemen who need them.
  • TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited October 2006
    it's good but it's not really doing much to move my "fuck frank miller" viewpoint.

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  • augustaugust where you come from is gone Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    Yeah, me neither.

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    Pac Man's character is difficult to explain even to the Japanese -- he is an innocent character. He hasn't been educated to discern between good and evil. He acts more like a small child than a grown-up person. Think of him as a child learning in the course of his daily activities. If someone tells him guns are evil, he would be the type to rush out and eat guns. But he would most probably eat any gun, even the pistols of policemen who need them.
  • Caveman PawsCaveman Paws Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    did he kill the guy or just wound him? *Hopes he didn't kill*

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  • Garlic BreadGarlic Bread Registered User, Disagreeable regular
    edited October 2006
    nobody answer him because why haven't you read DKR?

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  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    [spoiler:6496b28285]It was only one shot but with the gun he was using, you could probably see through the guy after that one shot.

    Think that one gun in "Lock, Stock, and Two Smoking Barrels."[/spoiler:6496b28285]

    On second thought, don't read that. Read DKR.

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  • TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited October 2006
    I mean y'know, two guiding principles of Batman

    doesn't kill people

    doesn't use guns

    and then he kills a dude with a gun

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  • Conditional_AxeConditional_Axe Registered User
    edited October 2006
    I mean y'know, two guiding principles of Batman

    doesn't kill people

    doesn't use guns

    and then he kills a dude with a gun
    Frank Miller tears down the walls of convention. You're trapped by your own, not-shitty idea of what Batman is.

    Frank wants to lead you into a new world of shit.

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  • ForarForar #432 Toronto, Ontario, CanadaRegistered User regular
    edited October 2006
    ...

    I always liked that scene in DKR.

    Yes it breaks away from the standard, but it could be viewed as insight into just how far you have to push Batman before he'll break his two most sacred beliefs.

    [spoiler:89779118bf]Apparently threatening to blow a toddler's head off is around that line.[/spoiler:89779118bf]

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  • BriareosBriareos Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    I vaguely recall this scene. [spoiler:0ae8a22a6c]Is it when Bats is rescuing the kidnapped little kid from the mutants?[/spoiler:0ae8a22a6c]

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  • DharmaBumDharmaBum Registered User
    edited October 2006
    I just read the Poision Ivy "Detective Comics" from Dini's run.

    I have to say I throughly enjoyed it, and would recomend it to everyone.

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  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    Forar wrote:
    ...

    I always liked that scene in DKR.

    Yes it breaks away from the standard, but it could be viewed as insight into just how far you have to push Batman before he'll break his two most sacred beliefs.

    [spoiler:fe43085cf9]Apparently threatening to blow a toddler's head off is around that line.[/spoiler:fe43085cf9]

    I liked the scene for the above reason, and how it shows Bats in a "didn't have time to prepare" situation and has him deal with the situation anyway. But it also sabotages the tension with him and the Joker a bit. His whole freaking career he's been on the edge of killing the Joker and feeling guilty for each person the Joker kills b/c he (batman) didn't stop him by killing him earlier. The thing that's kept him from doing it all these years is his moral convictions - and then he frags some random thug? It doesn't completely destroy the Bats/Joker dynamic, just weakens it a bit. I still really enjoyed the encounter with the Joker later in the book.

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  • hughtronhughtron __BANNED USERS
    edited October 2006
    Are there very many stories that deal with Bruce Wayne before he was Batman?

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  • LejinLejin Registered User
    edited October 2006
    Are you guys talking about the scene [spoiler:49b592ba24]Where Bats shoots the C4?[/spoiler:49b592ba24] Thats the only part I remember with a gun, but its been awhile since I read it.

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  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    hughtron wrote:
    Are there very many stories that deal with Bruce Wayne before he was Batman?

    Miller's "Batman: Year One" is pretty good. I think there are some others but that's the most famous one.

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  • TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited October 2006
    My current view on DKR and Frank Miller is that he is good as long as you don't mind going "I DIDN'T SEE THAT! I DIDN'T SEE THAT! THE COMIC IS STILL GOOD IF I IGNORE THAT FUCKING STUPID THING!" every five pages.

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  • HarrierHarrier Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    Miller has earned my eternal hatred for what he did to Superman. The worst part is that everyone else seems to have taken it and run with it.

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  • The LuggageThe Luggage Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    KalTorak wrote:
    Forar wrote:
    ...

    I always liked that scene in DKR.

    Yes it breaks away from the standard, but it could be viewed as insight into just how far you have to push Batman before he'll break his two most sacred beliefs.

    [spoiler:624a1dcfd5]Apparently threatening to blow a toddler's head off is around that line.[/spoiler:624a1dcfd5]

    I liked the scene for the above reason, and how it shows Bats in a "didn't have time to prepare" situation and has him deal with the situation anyway. But it also sabotages the tension with him and the Joker a bit. His whole freaking career he's been on the edge of killing the Joker and feeling guilty for each person the Joker kills b/c he (batman) didn't stop him by killing him earlier. The thing that's kept him from doing it all these years is his moral convictions - and then he frags some random thug? It doesn't completely destroy the Bats/Joker dynamic, just weakens it a bit. I still really enjoyed the encounter with the Joker later in the book.

    He just shoots him in the shoulder, for crying out loud! It's not like he kills the guy.
    Harrier wrote:
    Miller has earned my eternal hatred for what he did to Superman. The worst part is that everyone else seems to have taken it and run with it.

    Last time, I checked, Superman wasn't a government stooge. Hell, he fights the military at one point in Morrison's JLA.

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  • ForarForar #432 Toronto, Ontario, CanadaRegistered User regular
    edited October 2006
    He just shoots him in the shoulder, for crying out loud! It's not like he kills the guy.

    Now I have to pull open my copy again, but if he's going to risk shooting the hostage taker, you'd think he'd do it right.

    Sure, a final spasm may put the hostage at risk, but so does allowing the chance for a conscious choice to pull the trigger.

    Also, just getting tagged in the shoulder with a weapon like that seems like it'd still make one hell of a mess out of a person.

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  • TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited October 2006
    also miller's joker looks and acts stupid

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  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    I don't think it shows what happens to the guy. Frame of Bats shooting the gun, then picking up the kid, says "I believe you." I just assumed he shot the guy dead.
    also miller's joker looks and acts stupid

    I didn't mind what he did to the Joker as much was what he did to Selina. Honestly, what the fuck? Make her a madame if you want but don't you taint Catwoman with fat thighs.

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  • TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited October 2006
    there are a lot of reasons why DKR is good and a lot of reasons why it can eat a dick

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