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Moments of the Week for 09/06/07

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  • Garlic BreadGarlic Bread Registered User, Disagreeable regular
    edited September 2007
    howard chaykin

    one of the few that could actually make me not buy a Guy Gardner series

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  • wwtMaskwwtMask Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    wwtMask wrote: »
    Meh, I like that Cho had a plausible idea about it that more or less corresponds with past remarks about the Hulk (in continuity and by Marvel editorial).
    As a caveat, I've not read the comic this week myself, because I haven't found a new comic store near where I just moved. However, as I understand it, Cho believes that Hulk unconsciously calculates the risks of everything he does, and as a result has never killed anyone, correct?

    If I'm correct in understanding Cho's idea, then I'm sorry but that's not plausible at all. Hulk's intelligence has never been anything more than a clever, normal human. The idea that somehow he was able to do the same calculations Cho is doing, but on a radically larger scale (to cover the thousands of city blocks he damages at a time) is insane.
    It's only really recently that he's "conclusively" killed thousands. It makes sense that he's killed some, but since no one ever draws this happening, and because the stance was for decades that Hulk didn't kill anyone, I think it's fair to allow some skepticism.
    It doesn't matter if it's been the party line since Hulk's conception, or if it was just introduced as canon today: in Marvel 616, the Hulk HAS killed, and it's not debatable anymore. I'm sorry, but if editorial AND in-universe characters explicitly state that he's incontrovertibly killed thousands then he's killed thousands. This is silly to even debate it, it's the stated reality. That's like debating whether it's possible for a gamma-irradiated ass to transform into a living avatar of rage; the very debate violates the rules of the fictional universe.
    Also, lol moral relativism, but if Hulk has killed thousands, pretty much every hero ever has some blood on his or her hands. With all this big street destroying fights they get up to, no sane person would assume that no bystander was ever killed.
    You read Civil War, right? I mean, I'm not trying to sound insulting, but that concept was in fact at the core of SHRA and in fact the conclusion of CW: they explicitly talked about the hundreds of people injured in the process of Cap's little revolution. The Marvel 616 canon right now is that superhero fights cause damage and injuries. The fact that some heroes have caused more collateral damage than others is obvious though we don't have hard numbers on anyone but Hulk. However, given the reaction of the Illuminati to the numbers on Hulk, I think it's safe to assume that the in-universe numbers for everyone else are lower (though we know Wolverine has killed hundreds in his latest insanity).

    I don't see how Cho's explanation of how Hulk's mind works is impossible. We know for a fact that he's got a split personality. Cho just ran with that idea and thinks that Banner isn't just inactive but is, in fact, a part of Hulk's decision-making process. We know Banner is an intellect in the same league as Reed and Tony. Why's it so hard to believe he could do calculations like Cho does?

    I think it's still debatable, especially because not all comics agree with the "fact" that Hulk's killed thousands, nor do all writers. It's a reasonable assumption, but Cho (and Greg Pak, by extension) puts forth an idea that plausibly refutes that "fact". Hell, if you want to take it there, Cho himself has read every bit of Hulk related material that exists in the various law enforcement databases around the world, and still managed to come to his conclusion. Are you still going to discount his claim as naive and lacking merit, even though he's now arguably the most knowledgeable person in the world on the actions and consequences of the Hulk?

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  • KVWKVW Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Cho is the most knowledgeable person with second hand knowledge. He has barely seen the Hulk and barely knows him. The kid has a serious obsession with Hulk and does not even consider him Bruce Banner. His whole view on the Hulk is distorted and should not be taken at face value. People see what they want to see when faced with facts that dont match their own beliefs. Cho never witnessed the original savage, mindless Hulk. He never witnessed Mr Fixit. He has no first hand knowledge of half the split personality off shoots of the Hulk. If he is getting all his knowledge from army reports and newspapers, there is no way he could come to the conclusion that Hulk is a hero or that he has not killed anyone. Hulk, hands down, ruins lives, whether he kills people or not. Not everyone has Hulk insurance to cover the destroyed homes, vehicles and lives that Hulk is responsible for. Cho is naive and his views do lack merit simply because he is too young to know anything concrete on the Hulk outside his limited world experience.

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  • WildcatWildcat Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    in Marvel 616, the Hulk HAS killed, and it's not debatable anymore
    This is quite true; after all, Gamma Corps is founded on that premise, to all intents and purposes.

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  • wwtMaskwwtMask Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    KVW wrote: »
    Cho is the most knowledgeable person with second hand knowledge. He has barely seen the Hulk and barely knows him. The kid has a serious obsession with Hulk and does not even consider him Bruce Banner. His whole view on the Hulk is distorted and should not be taken at face value. People see what they want to see when faced with facts that dont match their own beliefs. Cho never witnessed the original savage, mindless Hulk. He never witnessed Mr Fixit. He has no first hand knowledge of half the split personality off shoots of the Hulk. If he is getting all his knowledge from army reports and newspapers, there is no way he could come to the conclusion that Hulk is a hero or that he has not killed anyone. Hulk, hands down, ruins lives, whether he kills people or not. Not everyone has Hulk insurance to cover the destroyed homes, vehicles and lives that Hulk is responsible for. Cho is naive and his views do lack merit simply because he is too young to know anything concrete on the Hulk outside his limited world experience.

    Well, I'm sorry that the investigative results of SHIELD and other governmental law enforcement agencies isn't good enough for you. I mean, that sort of information is generally held to be as reliable and factual as possible, but your standards are clearly too high for it to matter. The truth is that Cho has scoured all known sources of data on the Hulk and reached his conclusion. I think it's pretty ironic that you, yourself, are coming to a conclusion that doesn't fit your belief, in spite of the facts presented to you, pretty much exactly what you incorrectly accuse Cho of doing.

    Also, Cho didn't say that Hulk didn't mess up people's lives, he just said he hadn't killed anyone (except in self-defense).

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  • WildcatWildcat Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    I'm afraid I haven't read this issue yet, but are they saying just that Hulk has never personally killed or, in a more wide-ranging claim, that no-one has died from incidents involving the Hulk? If it's the latter, then how can that be, given that one of those self-same agencies must hold information on the Gamma Corps recruits and their histories?

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  • wwtMaskwwtMask Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    My understanding is that Cho's claiming the Hulk's never personally killed anyone. Like, when he's busting up tanks and stuff, he's not killing anyone. Cho didn't say anything about collateral damage from having fights with villains or anything, but I'm guessing he's either not counting it or is not as strict about how it applies to Hulk's "kill count".

    My take on the Gamma Corps and pretty much any other governmental units that are formed as a response to superhuman activity is that they exist to counter the potential use of superhuman force against the government and its interests. The Gamma Corps all more or less have been tangentially affected by the Hulk. Their reasoning should also align them against the US Army and the supervillains who fight with Hulk, since this collateral damage is just as much their fault as his.

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  • MunchMunch Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    I only bought Lucha Libre and She-Hulk this week, neither of which really had any great moments in them. Lucha Libre was pretty cool, but overpriced for the amount of comic content inside, and She-Hulk was just continuity porn that bored me to tears.

    Luckily, Dr. McNinja had a great page this week, made better by reading Daredevil: Yellow immediately prior, wherein he pulls this exact same stunt, but with less hilarious results.

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  • KVWKVW Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Getting back to Moments of the Week, heres one from White Tiger (yes that miniseries eventually finished up after what seems like forever).
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  • wwtMaskwwtMask Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    White Tiger #6 just fucking fell apart for me, and the bad thing is that I was totally expecting it. The dialog in the last six or so pages was retarded, to go along with the art by the fill in artist that clashed with what was done in the earlier pages. The build-up to the fight was pretty lackluster and the climax was just underwhelming. I don't understand how you have a fight involving Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Spidey, Black Widow, and White Tiger and still have it be uninteresting.

    But yeah, that bit was sorta funny. It's just that the rest of the issue wasn't that good.

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  • Dex DynamoDex Dynamo Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Keith wrote: »
    howard chaykin

    one of the few that could actually make me not buy a Guy Gardner series

    But G'nort is seriously such a dark character

    he's got so much serious potential as a brooding hero

    G'nort

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  • LuxLux Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    I read somewhere that it's better if the Hulk hasn't killed thousands of innocents, because otherwise, Bruce should really just commit suicide and do the world a favor.

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  • FiarynFiaryn Omnicidal Madman Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Lux wrote: »
    I read somewhere that it's better if the Hulk hasn't killed thousands of innocents, because otherwise, Bruce should really just commit suicide and do the world a favor.

    Perhaps they should have thought of that a looooong time ago. As it stands, yes, earth probably WOULD be better off with Bruce just killing himself.

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  • DarkWarriorDarkWarrior __BANNED USERS
    edited September 2007
    Without the Hulk though, people like Onslaught would be running the show right now.

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  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Fiaryn wrote: »
    Lux wrote: »
    I read somewhere that it's better if the Hulk hasn't killed thousands of innocents, because otherwise, Bruce should really just commit suicide and do the world a favor.

    Perhaps they should have thought of that a looooong time ago. As it stands, yes, earth probably WOULD be better off with Bruce just killing himself.

    Oh wow guys, welcome to fifteen years ago. You think the Hulk would let Bruce off himself?

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  • EclecticGrooveEclecticGroove Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Fiaryn wrote: »
    Lux wrote: »
    I read somewhere that it's better if the Hulk hasn't killed thousands of innocents, because otherwise, Bruce should really just commit suicide and do the world a favor.

    Perhaps they should have thought of that a looooong time ago. As it stands, yes, earth probably WOULD be better off with Bruce just killing himself.

    Oh wow guys, welcome to fifteen years ago. You think the Hulk would let Bruce off himself?


    He's tried it, after pulling the trigger he woke up later on fully healed as the Hulk persona had taken over and the damage was simply undone.

    The Hulk literally "can't" die unless something is able to either destroy him entirely, or overcome his ability to heal the damage. Sure, if he could get "stuck" as banner it would be easy... but that's not the case.


    And as for the whole Cho argument. If you read the issue he mentions the deaths the Hulk WAS directly responsible for. And while I won't go into the whole debate here (the WWH hulk thread or it's own topic is better for that) the Hulk has only been responsible for a hand full of deaths on his own, and most of those were in self defense, the rest were all done while the hulk was either mindless (courtesy of Doc Sampson) or being controlled by someone/something else.

    Simply, blaming the Hulk for the deaths attributed to him would be like:
    1) Persecuting Jean for all the deaths the phoenix force has caused.
    2) Persecuting Captain America for enemies he killed in combat.

    But the point does stand that he causes misery for everyone, ESPECIALLY himself, it is one of his defining characteristics.

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  • KVWKVW Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Hulk: The End shows he cant kill himself either. He tried giving himself a hard attack and other forms of suicide, but the Hulk wouldnt let him kill himself and would always come out.

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  • wwtMaskwwtMask Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Well, yeah, until Banner himself died, so that Hulk has to make sure he never transforms back, or he'll die.

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  • ScooterScooter Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Fiaryn wrote: »
    Lux wrote: »
    I read somewhere that it's better if the Hulk hasn't killed thousands of innocents, because otherwise, Bruce should really just commit suicide and do the world a favor.

    Perhaps they should have thought of that a looooong time ago. As it stands, yes, earth probably WOULD be better off with Bruce just killing himself.

    Oh wow guys, welcome to fifteen years ago. You think the Hulk would let Bruce off himself?


    He's tried it, after pulling the trigger he woke up later on fully healed as the Hulk persona had taken over and the damage was simply undone.

    The Hulk literally "can't" die unless something is able to either destroy him entirely, or overcome his ability to heal the damage. Sure, if he could get "stuck" as banner it would be easy... but that's not the case.


    And as for the whole Cho argument. If you read the issue he mentions the deaths the Hulk WAS directly responsible for. And while I won't go into the whole debate here (the WWH hulk thread or it's own topic is better for that) the Hulk has only been responsible for a hand full of deaths on his own, and most of those were in self defense, the rest were all done while the hulk was either mindless (courtesy of Doc Sampson) or being controlled by someone/something else.

    Simply, blaming the Hulk for the deaths attributed to him would be like:
    1) Persecuting Jean for all the deaths the phoenix force has caused.
    2) Persecuting Captain America for enemies he killed in combat.

    But the point does stand that he causes misery for everyone, ESPECIALLY himself, it is one of his defining characteristics.

    Well, those are bad examples. The Phoenix Force copy of Jean (the one who went Dark Phoenix while the real one was under a river or something) committed suicide because of what she'd done and could do. And Cap was a soldier fighting Germans in WWII.

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  • ScooterScooter Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Also, while I haven't read Wolverine yet (and I don't know if I will, god it's so terrible), Chaykin seems to be the worst mainstream artist I've seen probably this decade. He can make nearly-naked chicks look hideous.

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  • EclecticGrooveEclecticGroove Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Scooter wrote: »


    Well, those are bad examples. The Phoenix Force copy of Jean (the one who went Dark Phoenix while the real one was under a river or something) committed suicide because of what she'd done and could do. And Cap was a soldier fighting Germans in WWII.

    That's actually why I picked those two.

    The Hulk was split off from Banner and later that incarnation was "destroyed" when the Hulk and Banner were put back together.

    And the Hulk killed Trauma in the middle of a battle with the Troyjans (If I'm remembering that alien races name correctly). The Hulk, at that time, was the leader of the Pantheon and head of a military force, fighting another military force.

    Both Hulk and the Cap were soldiers, and both killed in their respective battles.


    Any other casualties, like the ones that caused the deaths in the lives of the Gamma Corps members were either not the Hulks fault at all, or more the fault of the person who prompted the Hulk into battle... yet I rarely hear other hero's being chastised for spurring the Hulk on, nor do I hear the military being called up to take blame for any of the deaths they pin on the Hulk.

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  • PbPb Registered User
    edited September 2007
    I think what people are saying is that it's absolutely insane that nobody was ever killed a on a rampage, not that those listed can't be written off.

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  • EclecticGrooveEclecticGroove Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Pb wrote: »
    I think what people are saying is that it's absolutely insane that nobody was ever killed a on a rampage, not that those listed can't be written off.

    I agree, but they usually follow it up and say he's directly responsible and therefore was perfectly fine to launch into space against his will. Sometimes they also tend to ignore all the other super powerful hero's who have similar battles and have yet to face any sort of retribution other than "Would you like to Register?".

    Hell, I think Hulk/Banner would have been all over registration had it come with the stipulation that they leave him the hell alone unless they REALLY need him.

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  • mattharvestmattharvest Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Simply, blaming the Hulk for the deaths attributed to him would be like:
    1) Persecuting Jean for all the deaths the phoenix force has caused.
    2) Persecuting Captain America for enemies he killed in combat.

    But the point does stand that he causes misery for everyone, ESPECIALLY himself, it is one of his defining characteristics.

    Um, Jean isn't responsible for the Pheonix's killings because it wasn't Jean who killed anyone: the Phoenix Force created a duplicate of Jean and it was that duplicate that went insane. Since Jean herself merged with the Phoenix Force, it hasn't killed anyone.

    As for Captain America: anyone he killed as a soldier was (unless otherwise indicated by evidence) simply a casualty of war. Of course, were he alive, Rogers would have been fully liable for the deaths caused by his insurrection.

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  • Me Too!Me Too! __BANNED USERS regular
    edited September 2007
    ASM was kinda "meh" for me this week.
    I mean
    Pete going balls to the wall with the webbing was cool
    but I can't justify buying the other 2 books this month just to read how One More Day ends.
    At least New Warriors made the identities of a few more members a bit clearer.

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  • MaximumMaximum Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Lol! wrote: »
    ASM was kinda "meh" for me this week.
    I mean
    Pete going balls to the wall with the webbing was cool
    but I can't justify buying the other 2 books this month just to read how One More Day ends.

    The 2nd part isn't due out til the middle of next month I believe. Since Joe Q is doing the art the whole thing prolly won't wrap til Christmas.

    Maximum on
  • Me Too!Me Too! __BANNED USERS regular
    edited September 2007
    Great.
    I thought ASM was going to the 3x monthly schedule starting in October, when ODM "wrapped up."

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  • DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    edited September 2007
    MaximumJ wrote: »
    Lol! wrote: »
    ASM was kinda "meh" for me this week.
    I mean
    Pete going balls to the wall with the webbing was cool
    but I can't justify buying the other 2 books this month just to read how One More Day ends.

    The 2nd part isn't due out til the middle of next month I believe. Since Joe Q is doing the art the whole thing prolly won't wrap til Christmas.

    I'm pretty sure he finished it already.

    DJ Eebs on
  • MaximumMaximum Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    MaximumJ wrote: »
    Lol! wrote: »
    ASM was kinda "meh" for me this week.
    I mean
    Pete going balls to the wall with the webbing was cool
    but I can't justify buying the other 2 books this month just to read how One More Day ends.

    The 2nd part isn't due out til the middle of next month I believe. Since Joe Q is doing the art the whole thing prolly won't wrap til Christmas.

    I'm pretty sure he finished it already.

    I dunno, I read in an interview that he was over half done awhile back but they keep pushing the solicits back. If these books are delayed it may not be Joe Q's fault, more likely it's the McNiven issues down the line that will hold things up.

    Maximum on
  • Me Too!Me Too! __BANNED USERS regular
    edited September 2007
    You know, I was wondering something earlier.
    I'm assuming that ODM will run one issue in each Spidey book, but there's only 3 books and 4 parts. What's the fourth one going to run in? Some special issue one-shot thing?

    Me Too! on
  • MaximumMaximum Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Lol! wrote: »
    You know, I was wondering something earlier.
    I'm assuming that ODM will run one issue in each Spidey book, but there's only 3 books and 4 parts. What's the fourth one going to run in? Some special issue one-shot thing?

    Amazing #545

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  • Garlic BreadGarlic Bread Registered User, Disagreeable regular
    edited September 2007
    MaximumJ wrote: »
    Lol! wrote: »
    ASM was kinda "meh" for me this week.
    I mean
    Pete going balls to the wall with the webbing was cool
    but I can't justify buying the other 2 books this month just to read how One More Day ends.

    The 2nd part isn't due out til the middle of next month I believe. Since Joe Q is doing the art the whole thing prolly won't wrap til Christmas.

    I'm pretty sure he finished it already.

    I'm pretty sure his art is bad

    Garlic Bread on
  • The Muffin ManThe Muffin Man Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Keith wrote: »
    MaximumJ wrote: »
    Lol! wrote: »
    ASM was kinda "meh" for me this week.
    I mean
    Pete going balls to the wall with the webbing was cool
    but I can't justify buying the other 2 books this month just to read how One More Day ends.

    The 2nd part isn't due out til the middle of next month I believe. Since Joe Q is doing the art the whole thing prolly won't wrap til Christmas.

    I'm pretty sure he finished it already.

    I'm pretty sure his art is bad

    Holy shit we agree.

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  • PantheraOncaPantheraOnca Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Simply, blaming the Hulk for the deaths attributed to him would be like:
    1) Persecuting Jean for all the deaths the phoenix force has caused.
    2) Persecuting Captain America for enemies he killed in combat.

    But the point does stand that he causes misery for everyone, ESPECIALLY himself, it is one of his defining characteristics.

    Um, Jean isn't responsible for the Pheonix's killings because it wasn't Jean who killed anyone: the Phoenix Force created a duplicate of Jean and it was that duplicate that went insane. Since Jean herself merged with the Phoenix Force, it hasn't killed anyone.

    As for Captain America: anyone he killed as a soldier was (unless otherwise indicated by evidence) simply a casualty of war. Of course, were he alive, Rogers would have been fully liable for the deaths caused by his insurrection.

    You are agreeing with him.

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  • DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    edited September 2007
    Keith wrote: »
    MaximumJ wrote: »
    Lol! wrote: »
    ASM was kinda "meh" for me this week.
    I mean
    Pete going balls to the wall with the webbing was cool
    but I can't justify buying the other 2 books this month just to read how One More Day ends.

    The 2nd part isn't due out til the middle of next month I believe. Since Joe Q is doing the art the whole thing prolly won't wrap til Christmas.

    I'm pretty sure he finished it already.

    I'm pretty sure his art is bad

    Yeah, I don't know what's going on with the art here.

    DJ Eebs on
  • BlankspaceBlankspace __BANNED USERS regular
    edited September 2007
    Really

    I mean, I loved Joe Q's stuff in Daredevil.


    but his Spidey


    ugh

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  • Me Too!Me Too! __BANNED USERS regular
    edited September 2007
    Keith wrote: »
    MaximumJ wrote: »
    Lol! wrote: »
    ASM was kinda "meh" for me this week.
    I mean
    Pete going balls to the wall with the webbing was cool
    but I can't justify buying the other 2 books this month just to read how One More Day ends.

    The 2nd part isn't due out til the middle of next month I believe. Since Joe Q is doing the art the whole thing prolly won't wrap til Christmas.

    I'm pretty sure he finished it already.

    I'm pretty sure his art is bad

    Holy shit we agree.

    Yeah, I really don't like Joe Q's art.
    Second or third page, and I'm thinking "Why does Peter look like an angry retard?"

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  • VirralVirral Registered User
    edited September 2007
    Of course, were he alive, Rogers would have been fully liable for the deaths caused by his insurrection.

    Rubbish, he would be liable because that is the story, not just because the damage happens. The damage always happens, but unless it is the point of the story you never hear a damn thing about it. Superheroes cause damage, and following recent Marvel logic they also cause deaths in proportion to that damage. Hulk may be more destructive than some, but if he has a body count then so does everyone else, intentionally or otherwise.

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  • DouglasDangerDouglasDanger PennsylvaniaRegistered User regular
    edited September 2007
    You know, I really liked it when it no one got hurt accidentally. Maybe it is not realistic or whatever, but I liked it that way. Property damage without casualties was perfectly cool with me.

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  • VirralVirral Registered User
    edited September 2007
    Me too, it's much better to just suspend your disbelief and accept it rather than to extrapolate what would really happen. In the real world registration probably doesn't go far enough, I suspect any superpowered individuals who weren't in the military/government would be hunted down and quietly executed for being a danger to the general populace.

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