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itylus
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Then you're a human and must be killed.
Actually, I'm starting this thread in response to this article from Slate:
http://www.slate.com/id/32621/
I've been familiar for some time now with the idea that Milk is basically bad for us. Particularly A1 cow's milk, which has proteins that cross intestinal barrier in a way likely to promote allergy or intolerance.
But this Slate article contained a line which kind of hit me for six:
"The correlation between animal protein [intake] and fracture rates in different societies is as strong as that between lung cancer and smoking," says T. Colin Campbell, professor of nutritional biochemistry at Cornell University.
This is talking about osteoporosis and hip fractures, and the government money being spent on promoting the idea that milk is the solution... when all the while the problem is apparently mostly caused by the excess of animal protein in the western diet, and the consumption of milk may be doing nothing to stop it, or in fact, may be making it worse, and increasing the incidence of breast cancer.
So, uh, discuss, I guess. Is milk bad for you? If the question of its healthfulness or otherwise is still open, should the government be spending money to promote it? Does the dairy industry have excessive political power? Should we kill all the humans?
Actually, I'm starting this thread in response to this article from Slate:
http://www.slate.com/id/32621/
I've been familiar for some time now with the idea that Milk is basically bad for us. Particularly A1 cow's milk, which has proteins that cross intestinal barrier in a way likely to promote allergy or intolerance.
But this Slate article contained a line which kind of hit me for six:
"The correlation between animal protein [intake] and fracture rates in different societies is as strong as that between lung cancer and smoking," says T. Colin Campbell, professor of nutritional biochemistry at Cornell University.
This is talking about osteoporosis and hip fractures, and the government money being spent on promoting the idea that milk is the solution... when all the while the problem is apparently mostly caused by the excess of animal protein in the western diet, and the consumption of milk may be doing nothing to stop it, or in fact, may be making it worse, and increasing the incidence of breast cancer.
So, uh, discuss, I guess. Is milk bad for you? If the question of its healthfulness or otherwise is still open, should the government be spending money to promote it? Does the dairy industry have excessive political power? Should we kill all the humans?
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Those dairy folk have had a massively powerful lobby for generations, which is only reason why we still have freaking animal breastmilk as a staple in our diet. Why we use the term "lactose intolerance" like it's a disease to describe the natural process that the digestive systems of all mammals are supposed to go through after infancy. Why it was one of the four basic food groups and remains today on the food pyramid.
It's got lots of animal protein, high calorie, high glycemic load, high cholesterol, and the vitamins and minerals it supposedly provides are ones which you can get plenty of from any normal non-dairy diet.
Sorry, it's all conjecture.
Anything in excess is bad for us.
Anything that we need to function as human beings and lack is also bad.
A compromise would probably solve this whole issue.
Drink milk sometimes, but don't over do it.
A while back someone linked milk with increased heart calcification.
We forgot about that one pretty quick because it was probably inconsequential as well.
Cutting out cheese would be a motherfucker, though.
Lots of salad. Because they're bunnies.
Or if they've looked at a group like the Masai, who, IIRC, drink a whole lot of milk.
The article says the Japanese get their calcium from soy, so maybe you could just roll with soy sauce.
Gravy.
(but not milk gravy)
I've seen a number of "Oh god soy makes kids stupid and men sterile" things.
Ten to one both milk and soy cause cancer. :P
Look, this is the Internet. I can find an article supporting any crazy-ass, "counterintuitive" point that I'd want to if you give me long enough to search.
Did you know that anemia can be caused by too little iron OR too much iron?
Oh, I know. You can die from drinking too much water, too. What I'm saying is that you can't just take this shit at face value and turn it into "we need to stop drinking milk because we clearly weren't meant to for [insert completely unscientific and borderline-nonsensical argument here]" because somebody noticed that Asians, who generally drink less milk, also weigh significantly less on average and thus get fewer bone fractures. If you read an article that said that too much iron caused anemia, would you cut all iron out of your diet? No, that's retarded.
It's stupid sensationalist shit like this that leads to people shouting all kinds of crap advice that can actually damage peoples' health. "No, HIV doesn't cause AIDS, the antiretroviral medications do! It's a conspiracy from the pharmaceutical lobby!" etc ad nauseam.
Frankly people would have more bone mass if they went for more -walks-, which is at least as big an issue, and may also explain the correlation, since I don't really associate hiking my ass off with a frothy moo.
When you have osteoperosis, your bones have a greatly diminished capacity to absorb calcium. Throwing more calcium at it doesn't solve the problem when the problem is your body can't use the calcium it gets. On the other hand, the animal protein in milk does leech calcium from the bones.
So there.
But you get osteoperosis in the first place by not drinking enough milk... sorry, consuming enough calcium from wherever. Obviously drinking more milk once you have it isn't going to help; it's like finding out you have a cavity and so you start brushing your teeth five times a day. Calcium is a preventative measure.
Moreover, and this is important, actual real dieticians recommend a good calcium to protien ratio, as if you've got enough calcium in the diet, protien is not necessarily harmful.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0854/is_4_23/ai_n18609828
(but whatever; it's the internet and we can find as many articles in either direction as we'd care to, and neither of us are dieticians or even biologists so we're basically just wanking.)
In the vast, vast majority of cases, osteoporosis is not caused by calcium deficiency but by decreased amounts of estrogen in the body. Estrogen is essential for healthy calcium absorption.
Edit: Decreased estrogen is a normal consequence of aging.
Life causes cancer. I'll put cash money on it being the ultimate cause of death for any bubble boy kid who doesn't get exposure to anything.
What is there to drink that's actually good for you, aside from water and alcohol? Pop has high fructose corn syrup and way too much sugar. Same on the sugar with a lot of juices and Kool-Aid (when I make it). Am I missing something? What can I imbibe that won't lead to an untimely death which also doesn't make me drunk before noon?
Tea?
So fruit juice is good for you.
Diet Soda
Or Fake Milk (Soy, Almond, Rice, whatever).
Uh... vitamins?
Vitamin C isn't exactly scarce.
True enough. I guess I just don't accept the notion that just because something is high in sugar (that is, high in calories), it's bad for you. Consuming calories is the point of food. You just have to take care not to eat or drink too many calories and become a fatty.
I guess it's bad for your teeth?
There are calories, and calories are there not?
I'm not sure what you mean. A calorie's a calorie, whether from fat, sugar, or protein.
Yeck. So much for living a long and healthy life. I'd rather die early from boneitis with my milk than drink shitty pop.
Holy crap there's a lot of sugar in it! Well guess what, tons of shit has a lot of sugar in it, and it's extremely difficult to avoid without being ultra-selective or never eating/drinking anything you don't make.
I've been drinking high-sugar sodas for quite a long time now, and I'm not a fatty pussy mess of acne, nor are my teeth rotted and full of holes.
Everything in moderation, guys. That's really all you can say to something like this.
As someone said, even water can kill you if you drink too much.