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not for the faint of heart

ACSISACSIS Registered User regular
edited September 2007 in Games and Technology
This will be ugly.

This will not be a simple rant about the greedy gaming industry as i am used to do from time to time.

This is not made up, or pointless rambling - it is the bitter truth.

If you are in a good mood or simply interested in enjoying reding some forums - escape whilst you still can.

Let no one say i did not warn you.



The "subject" is Shadowrun, a rather nice online teamplay-shooter. Not a bad game i might add. Its one of those new Vista-only games (for computers, X-box is a totally different story).

No problem i thought - my harddisk died and i decided if i do not migrate to a DX10 OS by now i probably never will. And despite i really should know it better i (legally) aquired the OS and thought about giving it a spin.

I overcame new security measures (little windows wich ask for permmission for... ANYTHING and a accoutn management wich blocks everything, even the admin account) and network issues by diabling all those nice new features wich unfortunately are not working as supposed or intended.

So i brought with me, fresh from the shop Shadowrun. I installed it, started it aaaaaand:

*bump*

Windows performance score 2.9. The game requires at least a score of 3.0 to be launched. You may close the application now.

What the... ?

My comp is not THE newest but a good machine. I run most games on maximum resolution with all effects on without troubel. So i fired up the performance test to see what the dammed problem was.

Vista gave nice 5.9 and 4.9 scores... except... for the ram. I have some old modules there. Technically the speed of ram is not really that important for gamers because every grapics card deserving the name comes with ultra-fast video ram, big caches and memory pipelines. I never saw a neccesarity to replace the modules.

And now this expensive piece of trash denies me from launching MY game from MY computer because of a ram benchmark score off by 0.1. Basically telling me to go and get new RAM.

So i took the time to make sure the OS understood my current unwillingness to go and buy new RAM. I hope Vista's futile cries for help whilst being lobotomized at full conciousness send a shiver down the spine of some M$ employee. After we had settled who is boss and my RAM was actually deserving a 6.0 score i was able to launch the game.

Game performance was excellent by the way.

Only to be greeted by a X-box Live registration screen. They did pack a one month free subscription in the package... but paying 4.99 montly for a single game (wich only makes sense being played online, a shooter)?

I decided agains membership - it was being stated you could play it always on "pure servers", so i tried that.

And waddya say... completely empty. It was as i had entered a pocket universe - to boldly go were no man has gone before.

This is the future the gaming industry envisions? I say this is an act of war.

I'd say times for civilized manners are over.

And i guess i am just one of the first...

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  • FireWeaselFireWeasel Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    I'm...not sure what you're getting at.

    And the thread title doesn't help.

    Are you upset that Windows games are preventing you from playing because your system failed to meet the benchmark?

    Also, I don't even know what a Windows performance score is. That some kinda "Games for Windows"-specific thing?

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  • SolSol Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Uhh...so what's not for the faint of heart? That Vista said you need more RAM? Or...? Sorry just confused a bit.

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  • BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
    edited September 2007
    You should probably buy an Xbox 360, or a Wii. Or a PS3.

    It doesn't really sound like you have the stomach for PC gaming's foibles.

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  • ACSISACSIS Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Yes, its a Windows specific thing. Or rather a M$ specific habit to milk the customer dry of all blood.

    I am upset about being played for dumb (and not only me, every Vista user) as well about the charging of montly fees for normal o-games on personal computers. Wich basically is the reason why nobody plays this game. Wich means its dead because its designed for online gameplay.

    In other words, its exactly the new kind of ripoff we will be facing in the future.

    ACSIS on
  • FireWeaselFireWeasel Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Rolo wrote: »
    You should probably buy an Xbox 360, or a Wii. Or a PS3.

    It doesn't really sound like you have the stomach for PC gaming's foibles.

    "WHY WON'T ULTIMA 7 PLAY ANY SOUND?"

    edit config.sys
    edit autoexec.bat


    "Still nothing...STILL NOTHING!"

    Rinse, repeat.

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  • yalborapyalborap Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    ACSIS wrote: »
    Yes, its a Windows specific thing. Or rather a M$ specific habit to milk the customer dry of all blood.

    I am upset about being played for dumb (and not only me, every Vista user) as well about the charging of montly fees for normal o-games on personal computers. Wich basically is the reason why nobody plays this game. Wich means its dead because its designed for online gameplay.

    In other words, its exactly the new kind of ripoff we will be facing in the future.

    If memory serves, that monthly fee is ONLY for playing with xbox players.

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  • Stupid Mr Whoopsie NameStupid Mr Whoopsie Name Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited September 2007
    No no no, what he's saying is Microsoft should be abbreviated with a dollar sign, like so: M$.

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  • SolSol Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    yalborap wrote: »
    ACSIS wrote: »
    Yes, its a Windows specific thing. Or rather a M$ specific habit to milk the customer dry of all blood.

    I am upset about being played for dumb (and not only me, every Vista user) as well about the charging of montly fees for normal o-games on personal computers. Wich basically is the reason why nobody plays this game. Wich means its dead because its designed for online gameplay.

    In other words, its exactly the new kind of ripoff we will be facing in the future.

    If memory serves, that monthly fee is ONLY for playing with xbox players.

    That's what I thought too

    Sol on
  • ACSISACSIS Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Sol wrote: »
    you need more RAM?

    No. Not more. New. And... its a lie. Makes people go and buy new hardware, you know?

    ACSIS on
  • SageinaRageSageinaRage Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Rolo wrote: »
    It doesn't really sound like you have the stomach for PC gaming's foibles.

    This is a little different than the normal driver, hardware, etc, issues that pc gamers normally put up with. It's not a matter of him not being able to play the game because of unintentional quirks, it's him not being able to play due to fully intentional blocks put into his way.

    Foibles are forgivable and understandable. This is not.

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  • ACSISACSIS Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Sol wrote: »
    yalborap wrote: »
    ACSIS wrote: »
    Yes, its a Windows specific thing. Or rather a M$ specific habit to milk the customer dry of all blood.

    I am upset about being played for dumb (and not only me, every Vista user) as well about the charging of montly fees for normal o-games on personal computers. Wich basically is the reason why nobody plays this game. Wich means its dead because its designed for online gameplay.

    In other words, its exactly the new kind of ripoff we will be facing in the future.

    If memory serves, that monthly fee is ONLY for playing with xbox players.

    That's what I thought too

    Thats a memory of the past now. Nobody except x-box players are playing it. Wich renders it unusable except... you abo a gold membership.

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  • autono-wally, erotibot300autono-wally, erotibot300 love machine Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    well at least it's not a good game

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  • FireWeaselFireWeasel Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Rolo wrote: »
    It doesn't really sound like you have the stomach for PC gaming's foibles.

    This is a little different than the normal driver, hardware, etc, issues that pc gamers normally put up with. It's not a matter of him not being able to play the game because of unintentional quirks, it's him not being able to play due to fully intentional blocks put into his way.

    Foibles are forgivable and understandable. This is not.

    As someone who doesn't have Vista and doesn't understand the gist of the OP or any subsequent posts, could you please elaborate?

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  • DjiemDjiem Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    M-dollar sign, you know?

    Though I'll agree that the "You got a 3.8764 PC, you need a 3.8765 PC to play this game your PC would play fine, go sit on a fork" is beyond retarded.

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  • SolSol Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    ACSIS wrote: »
    Sol wrote: »
    you need more RAM?

    No. Not more. New. And... its a lie. Makes people go and buy new hardware, you know?

    Ohhh ok. Gotcha. That blows

    Sol on
  • Stupid Mr Whoopsie NameStupid Mr Whoopsie Name Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited September 2007
    ACSIS wrote: »
    Thats a memory of the past now.

    Are you in your high school's drama club? What's with all the damn histrionics?

    Stupid Mr Whoopsie Name on
  • VelmeranVelmeran Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    I agree with the $5 a month to play one game thing, I'm not to hip on this and micropayments. MMO's it makes a little sense to have the fee's, but an FPS? Now granted, the fee does pay for other games that come out for Live, but if you don't get those, your basically paying too much. I think another reason your getting screwed is that its mostly a 360 game, and so the pure servers will be empty since most players already are paying to be on the others. The rest of the PC players, seeing the pure servers empty, then fork over cash to play with the 360's. In essence, if you want to play this game for a long while, your going to be paying 2x the stick price probably.

    As for your computer issue, well, you can bitch all you want, but really who hasn't come to realize that some part of their machine is ass and just needs to be updated? You should know that fast ram speeds help games and pretty much all programs, so don't just say the video ram is all you need, take BF2142 for example, it uses up 1.5gigs of RAM pretty much, just loading from ram to the video memory instead of from the hard drive to the video card which would kill performance.

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  • DjiemDjiem Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Sol wrote: »
    ACSIS wrote: »
    Sol wrote: »
    you need more RAM?

    No. Not more. New. And... its a lie. Makes people go and buy new hardware, you know?

    Ohhh ok. Gotcha. That blows

    M-dollar.JPG doesn't make that RAM so it's not like it's a huge conspiration.

    Djiem on
  • FibretipFibretip Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    I hate the games for windows thing. When i installed Lost Planet i was running it happily enough at about 25-30pfs, really happy with it, then the first time i get into a firefight my fps drops to like 15 which is totally reasonable for me, (i played all of tomb raider legend at about 12fps). but low and behold, my game stops, and a pop up box covers the screen telling me my computer is not sufficient to play this game, and i won't be able to continue until i have changed the settings. I proceeded to get this box everytime i fired my gun until i'd turned off every setting in the graphics menu and changed the res down to 1024x768.

    when the hell did it become okay for a company to tell us how we can play the games? I can't afford a beast of a pc, so i'm just used to playing games with a bit of stuttering and slow down when it all gets heavy on screen... i'm fine with that, so i should be able to enjoy my £30 spent right?... not be left with a useless disk that i can't even take back to the store because it's a pc game....

    bah

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  • Stupid Mr Whoopsie NameStupid Mr Whoopsie Name Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited September 2007
    Djiem wrote: »
    [M-dollar.JPG doesn't make that RAM so it's not like it's a huge conspiration.

    :lol:

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  • ACSISACSIS Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Djiem wrote: »
    Sol wrote: »
    ACSIS wrote: »
    Sol wrote: »
    you need more RAM?

    No. Not more. New. And... its a lie. Makes people go and buy new hardware, you know?

    Ohhh ok. Gotcha. That blows

    M-dollar.JPG doesn't make that RAM so it's not like it's a huge conspiration.

    Thats what i am saying.

    What an absurd idea that hardware manufacturers and OS creators could be conspiring.

    No wait... its not.

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  • djklaydjklay Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    yalborap wrote: »
    ACSIS wrote: »
    Yes, its a Windows specific thing. Or rather a M$ specific habit to milk the customer dry of all blood.

    I am upset about being played for dumb (and not only me, every Vista user) as well about the charging of montly fees for normal o-games on personal computers. Wich basically is the reason why nobody plays this game. Wich means its dead because its designed for online gameplay.

    In other words, its exactly the new kind of ripoff we will be facing in the future.

    If memory serves, that monthly fee is ONLY for playing with xbox players.

    Thats what I read before as well. Shadowrun is the first game to allow users between the PC and 360 play together (unless FFXI counts). Since it's the first there really isn't that much 'bang for your buck' to get a subscription on the PC side yet. However since the 360 users have to pay to play online it's only fair that the PC users have to pay some sort of fee for having access to those features.

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  • ACSISACSIS Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Features... like actually be able to play the game?

    Or dowload X-Box software to my personal computer? Maybe i can use it if i get a x-box, eh?

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  • DjiemDjiem Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Ok, look, I agree that your computer telling you to upgrade it to play a game that would work is stupid. That Lost Planet example is the epitome of retarded.

    But a conspiration? Don't be a tool. Next, you're going to say that Bill Gates has personally hired someone to kill the creator of Linux, only he couldn't, because Linux is made with love by the world while M-dollar.JPG is a place of Dark Evil.

    Djiem on
  • Stupid Mr Whoopsie NameStupid Mr Whoopsie Name Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited September 2007
    WE'RE ALL DOOOOOOMED

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  • SageinaRageSageinaRage Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    What the hell is a conspiration? Are people in tin foil hats shooting secret lasers to keep you from shitting?

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  • ACSISACSIS Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Djiem wrote: »
    Ok, look, I agree that your computer telling you to upgrade it to play a game that would work is stupid. That Lost Planet example is the epitome of retarded.

    But a conspiration? Don't be a tool. Next, you're going to say that Bill Gates has personally hired someone to kill the creator of Linux, only he couldn't, because Linux is made with love by the world while M-dollar.JPG is a place of Dark Evil.

    Direct X combined with their exclusive licensing strategy is enough to force personal computer gamers to use windows and even switch OS. There is no need for such actions. You see... they have taken care of that ages ago already.

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  • DjiemDjiem Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    ACSIS wrote: »
    Djiem wrote: »
    Ok, look, I agree that your computer telling you to upgrade it to play a game that would work is stupid. That Lost Planet example is the epitome of retarded.

    But a conspiration? Don't be a tool. Next, you're going to say that Bill Gates has personally hired someone to kill the creator of Linux, only he couldn't, because Linux is made with love by the world while M-dollar.JPG is a place of Dark Evil.

    Direct X combined with their exclusive licensing strategy is enough to force personal computer gamers to use windows and even switch OS. There is no need for such actions. You see... they have taken care of that ages ago already.

    OH MY GOD! Why didn't we have you to wake us before now, O Guru of Paranoid Fuckedupness?

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  • Anonymous RobotAnonymous Robot Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    hahahaha

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  • ACSISACSIS Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Oh, its not me who is fucked up. But i will make sure all fucked-upness ends right here as much as it is in my power. If anybody else has troble with Vista benchmarks preventing them from launching games - PM me, i sort it out ^^

    And now excuse me... i am enraged an disgusted... not a good combination to continue arguing with x-zealots.

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  • DjiemDjiem Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    ACSIS wrote: »
    Oh, its not me who is fucked up. But i will make sure all fucked-upness ends right here as much as it is in my power. If anybody else has troble with Vista benchmarks preventing them from launching games - PM me, i sort i out ^^

    And now excuse me... i am enraged an disgusted... not a good combination to continue arguing wiht x-zealots.

    What's an X-zealot? Someone who isn't as retarded as you are?
    I keep whining about how my fucking 360 keeps breaking because it's the most ill-designed piece of shit hardware I've ever seen as a gamer, but Live Arcade and many Xbox titles make it worth owning the machine.

    An extreme
    (middle grounds)
    Another extreme,

    you know?

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  • Anonymous RobotAnonymous Robot Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    ACSIS wrote: »
    Oh, its not me who is fucked up. But i will make sure all fucked-upness ends right here as much as it is in my power. If anybody else has troble with Vista benchmarks preventing them from launching games - PM me, i sort it out ^^

    And now excuse me... i am enraged an disgusted... not a good combination to continue arguing with x-zealots.

    hahahahaha

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  • ACSISACSIS Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    *sigh*

    If you get repeadetly kicked into the ass, do you not think its about time to turn around and sort things out?

    But who am i to judge, right? Do whatever pleases you most.

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  • hoodie13hoodie13 punch bro Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    What are you gonna do. Storm the MS offices and blow em up Terminator 2 style?

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  • DjiemDjiem Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    ACSIS wrote: »
    *sigh*

    If you get repeadetly kicked into the ass, do you not think its about time to turn around and sort things out?

    But who am i to judge, right? Do whatever pleases you most.

    The only ass-kicking I've received so far from Microsoft is with the 360's shitty hardware. I understand that what happened to you with this 3.9 bullshit is not right. But you sound like a toolbox. Calm down, go take a night of sleep, and re-rant about it at a time you'll sound less crazy. Conspiration my ass. Stupid design? Surely. MS has the nasty habit to protect people from themselves, thinking everyone is an idiot.

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  • apotheosapotheos Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited September 2007
    Boy. Well then.

    I really don't want to disallow you the soapbox to share your experience, but...what are we talking about, really?

    Also: when you sling names (M$) your perspective loses credibility in the eyes of the reasonable.

    apotheos on


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  • darleysamdarleysam On my way to UKRegistered User regular
    edited September 2007
    FireWeasel wrote: »
    Rolo wrote: »
    You should probably buy an Xbox 360, or a Wii. Or a PS3.

    It doesn't really sound like you have the stomach for PC gaming's foibles.

    "WHY WON'T ULTIMA 7 PLAY ANY SOUND?"

    edit config.sys
    edit autoexec.bat


    "Still nothing...STILL NOTHING!"

    Rinse, repeat.

    GAHHHHH, THE FLASHBACKS, THE HORROR... THE PAAAAAIN

    apo, he's being witty! By replacing the 'S' in the abbreviation for 'Microsoft' (MS) with a $ symbol (conveniently, it has the appearance of an 's'), he's subtly implying that their motives are financially-driven, and possibly even underhanded. You can't do it with 'Linux', because it doesn't have an 's'.

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  • AroducAroduc regular
    edited September 2007
    darleysam wrote: »
    apo, he's being witty! By replacing the 'S' in the abbreviation for 'Microsoft' (MS) with a $ symbol (conveniently, it has the appearance of an 's'), he's subtly implying that their motives are financially-driven, and possibly even underhanded. You can't do it with '£inux', because it doesn't have an 's'.

    Says you.

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  • darleysamdarleysam On my way to UKRegistered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Ooooh, good one.

    Googl£

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  • ZackSchillingZackSchilling Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    darleysam wrote: »
    Ooooh, good one.

    Goog£€

    ¢i$¢o

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