One of our raiding Priests is in the Beta (well, he's been in since Alpha) and Holy & Disc PvE is broken atm also. You basically have deep Disc as your negative tank threat build, and deep Holy as your hasted oom build. Apparently the removal of downranking is hitting us HARD, as I expected it would. They've stated several times that there wouldn't be a huge difference in health like there was in TBC, so 30k for tanks at 80 then maybe? I guess it's possible that we'll be needed to put up consistent 10k heals on the tanks, so who knows.
Ugh, I'm trying desperately to not be disappointed in things in their current state, but they did mention Priests being closer to "done" than other classes. Bleh. New talents are fairly "meh" for all the trees, and they've taken out the core of our playstyle.
misery and shadow weaving aren't a good enough reason to hold a caster spot. ugh
Yes, it defintely is.
Honestly I feel like nerfing vt is the only thing that can save spriests in the expansion since with a less effective vt our damage will be able to scale better and allow similar mana return levels based on our new found dps. Now lets just hope that tailoring doesn't make us overpowered again so they nerf us to kingdom come with our t5+ lvl gear a few days into 70.
Ugh, I'm trying desperately to not be disappointed in things in their current state, but they did mention Priests being closer to "done" than other classes. Bleh. New talents are fairly "meh" for all the trees, and they've taken out the core of our playstyle.
And holy dps still doesn't work!
Though disc might be even harder to kill with a shield each 3.5 seconds that restore mana and health along with doing damage...
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The more I look at the WotLK talents for priests, and read comments about it the more it seems like S Priest are getting the shaft.
I just started poking around and I tend to agree. I'm my guild's only Shadow Priest so I'll still have SOME usefulness. But it might be time to start building a new character up.
There was a recent blue quote saying shadow was going to see more work. It's obviously scaling badly at the moment. We'll have to wait and see I guess. Endgame of BC really skewed raidguild membership towards priests/shamans/warlocks, and if they drop those classes to hard, it's going to be quite messy with all the drama. (I think our guild currently has 7 priests, 8 shamans who raid somewhat regularly... compared to 4 hunters, 4 mages, 4 warriors).
So can anyone point me to a post somewhere that shows me how to maximize DPS as a SPriest? I find that no matter what I do I am at the BOTTOM of the DPS chart.
And we just recruited a new SPriest that out damages me by a ton. The only real diffrence is that he has Timbal's.
god gave you Shadow Word: Death for a reason son
i usually go
VT-SWP-MB-SWD-MF-MF-MB-SWD and so on and so on depending what's going on
but my point is i try to hit MB and SWD back to back whenever possible
of course, if i'm not dying or in eminent danger or something
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god gave you Shadow Word: Death for a reason son
i usually go
VT-SWP-MB-SWD-MF-MF-MB-SWD and so on and so on depending what's going on
but my point is i try to hit MB and SWD back to back whenever possible
of course, if i'm not dying or in eminent danger or something
Yea that's my rotation as well. I just never seem to be able to break that 700 DPS mark.
are you popping cooldowns/trinkets?You need to pretty much have no downtime in your dps.always having swp and vt up are important as well, and a lot of people underrate mindflay for some reason.
are you popping cooldowns/trinkets?You need to pretty much have no downtime in your dps.always having swp and vt up are important as well, and a lot of people underrate mindflay for some reason.
What cooldowns are there besides Inner Focus? My trinkets always get popped when they are up.
Woo your hit seems rather high, try and swap out the trinket for the badge one (then the crit one for timbals when it finally drops )
Second having a set cast order is a bad thing for a priest (since to be max efficency would take a long long sequnance). Just Try to keep SW: P and VT up 99% and MB/SW: D when they are off cooldown. Flay in downtime. Try to plan 2-3 casts ahead if you can.
Woo your hit seems rather high, try and swap out the trinket for the badge one (then the crit one for timbals when it finally drops )
Second having a set cast order is a bad thing for a priest (since to be max efficency would take a long long sequnance). Just Try to keep SW: P and VT up 99% and MB/SW: D when they are off cooldown. Flay in downtime. Try to plan 2-3 casts ahead if you can.
Yea I do all that.
I have a blessings deck. I'm just waiting for the next faire so I can get the card from it. I'm also next in line for Hatefury Mantle and Nethervoid cloak. It's just a matter of them dropping.
So I'm thinking about coming back to WoW after wotlk, how's Shadow looking?
I heard they could be losing their spot in raids?
VT is getting nerfed. But from what I've seen our DMG is scaling up a bit to compensate. I don't think that we'll be loosing our spots in raids though.
Its not really a nerf. It now affects 10 people in the raid and does something like 0.5% of total mana a second (don't quote me on this). You are going to be doing a bit more damage however so it should be alright.
Blizzard's new philosophy is that there won't be any more classes that are, "less effective, but bring utility" like Shadow Priests. Instead, every class brings utility, every utility has an alternative and doesn't stack, and every class performs comparably.
Blizzard's new philosophy is that there won't be any more classes that are, "less effective, but bring utility" like Shadow Priests. Instead, every class brings utility, every utility has an alternative and doesn't stack, and every class performs comparably.
Yeah, that's what it looks like.
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Its not really a nerf. It now affects 10 people in the raid and does something like 0.5% of total mana a second (don't quote me on this). You are going to be doing a bit more damage however so it should be alright.
Ten people? Does it still effect your party?
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Right now it's horribly broken anyway. As long as you are dps'ing noone gets any mana because it constantly gets reset on every spell land and the first second has no regen.
There are still severe scaling issues with shadowpriests. The fact that so much of our dps comes from a 3 second cast, noncrit, with only a 57% coefficient (compare say to frostbolt, also 3 seconds and a snare, which has 87% and can crit, and do extra damage on crit too, and loses less dps on knockbacks). Shadowpriests bring +3% hit to the raid, which is nice. But hefty changes need to be made dps wise or shadowpriests will become as rare and mocked as in vanilla.
Shadowpriests are still the class that gets a) least dps increase per spelldamage b) least dps increase per crit rating and c) least dps increase per haste rating.
So all these "sky's falling" posts aren't just whining.
Goddammit.
Yeah, they really are.
We'll be increasing Mind Flay's coefficient (base) by roughly 30% to start, and allow Mind Flay to crit. We may also do some tuneups to the Shadow tree as well, but as other players have mentioned the tree is really not the problem, just the base spells not scaling.
Hopefully we can get the new Mind Flay in the next build, but allowing it to crit involves rebuilding the spell completely, which may take some time.
Too unoriginal, but it'd be good if there was additional benefit from crit chance (like % proc based on crit or something). I'm a bit worried affliction warlocks will scale better with healing gear. o_O
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I'm pondering switching my main from warlock to shammy.. Shammy healing is top notch, enhancement melee damage will apparently be significantly buffed, and melee DPS have scaled better in vanilla, bc, and they will in wotlk.
Maybe I'm just bored after two years, but the new talents and glyphs and everything for locks just look boring and absolutely uninspired
I wonder if they'll update the shadow form graphic. That would be neat.
But yeah, good to hear about Mindflay, but it's really nice to hear that they're aware of the problems with shadow not scaling properly. Well, not that they're just aware, but that they're looking into it.
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I wonder if they'll update the shadow form graphic. That would be neat.
Yep. I assume that Blizzard has been diligently reinvesting all the capital gained from WoW into new models, which they have cleverly decided to reveal at a time when they will bring the most happiness to their loyal BWAHAHAHAHAHA
Still some work to do. We're going to be changing Shadow Power to 100% bonus crit damage to be consistent with other classes, also doing some other tweaks. We have a bit more work to do with all classes DPS numbers.
Also as a side note Mind Flay is getting an upgraded beam graphic! (Warlocks will be getting all new beams too, including Chain Heal for Shamans)
Very excited to see the other changes. Especially since I decided maining on my SPriest for WotLK because Rogue seems OP. I still kind of hate how Mindflay is, but the range glyph should help...
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Still some work to do. We're going to be changing Shadow Power to 100% bonus crit damage to be consistent with other classes, also doing some other tweaks. We have a bit more work to do with all classes DPS numbers.
Also as a side note Mind Flay is getting an upgraded beam graphic! (Warlocks will be getting all new beams too, including Chain Heal for Shamans)
Very excited to see the other changes. Especially since I decided maining on my SPriest for WotLK because Rogue seems OP. I still kind of hate how Mindflay is, but the range glyph should help...
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Ugh, I'm trying desperately to not be disappointed in things in their current state, but they did mention Priests being closer to "done" than other classes. Bleh. New talents are fairly "meh" for all the trees, and they've taken out the core of our playstyle.
Yes, it defintely is.
Honestly I feel like nerfing vt is the only thing that can save spriests in the expansion since with a less effective vt our damage will be able to scale better and allow similar mana return levels based on our new found dps. Now lets just hope that tailoring doesn't make us overpowered again so they nerf us to kingdom come with our t5+ lvl gear a few days into 70.
And holy dps still doesn't work!
Though disc might be even harder to kill with a shield each 3.5 seconds that restore mana and health along with doing damage...
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I just started poking around and I tend to agree. I'm my guild's only Shadow Priest so I'll still have SOME usefulness. But it might be time to start building a new character up.
And we just recruited a new SPriest that out damages me by a ton. The only real diffrence is that he has Timbal's.
Does Timbal's make that big of a difference.
i usually go
VT-SWP-MB-SWD-MF-MF-MB-SWD and so on and so on depending what's going on
but my point is i try to hit MB and SWD back to back whenever possible
of course, if i'm not dying or in eminent danger or something
"If you're going to play tiddly winks, play it with man hole covers."
- John McCallum
VT (if it isn't up), SW:P (If it isn't up), MB, SW: D, Flay
Yea that's my rotation as well. I just never seem to be able to break that 700 DPS mark.
What cooldowns are there besides Inner Focus? My trinkets always get popped when they are up.
Second having a set cast order is a bad thing for a priest (since to be max efficency would take a long long sequnance). Just Try to keep SW: P and VT up 99% and MB/SW: D when they are off cooldown. Flay in downtime. Try to plan 2-3 casts ahead if you can.
Yea I do all that.
I have a blessings deck. I'm just waiting for the next faire so I can get the card from it. I'm also next in line for Hatefury Mantle and Nethervoid cloak. It's just a matter of them dropping.
I heard they could be losing their spot in raids?
VT is getting nerfed. But from what I've seen our DMG is scaling up a bit to compensate. I don't think that we'll be loosing our spots in raids though.
Yeah, that's what it looks like.
Ten people? Does it still effect your party?
Which I can for see as creating issues with a prot paladin in the raid.
There are still severe scaling issues with shadowpriests. The fact that so much of our dps comes from a 3 second cast, noncrit, with only a 57% coefficient (compare say to frostbolt, also 3 seconds and a snare, which has 87% and can crit, and do extra damage on crit too, and loses less dps on knockbacks). Shadowpriests bring +3% hit to the raid, which is nice. But hefty changes need to be made dps wise or shadowpriests will become as rare and mocked as in vanilla.
Shadowpriests are still the class that gets a) least dps increase per spelldamage b) least dps increase per crit rating and c) least dps increase per haste rating.
Goddammit.
Yeah, they really are.
Too unoriginal, but it'd be good if there was additional benefit from crit chance (like % proc based on crit or something). I'm a bit worried affliction warlocks will scale better with healing gear. o_O
Maybe I'm just bored after two years, but the new talents and glyphs and everything for locks just look boring and absolutely uninspired
But yeah, good to hear about Mindflay, but it's really nice to hear that they're aware of the problems with shadow not scaling properly. Well, not that they're just aware, but that they're looking into it.
Yep. I assume that Blizzard has been diligently reinvesting all the capital gained from WoW into new models, which they have cleverly decided to reveal at a time when they will bring the most happiness to their loyal BWAHAHAHAHAHA
It's probably possible to make ticks unaffects by spell miss, but who knows, they probably won't bother.
Still some work to do. We're going to be changing Shadow Power to 100% bonus crit damage to be consistent with other classes, also doing some other tweaks. We have a bit more work to do with all classes DPS numbers.
Also as a side note Mind Flay is getting an upgraded beam graphic! (Warlocks will be getting all new beams too, including Chain Heal for Shamans)
Very excited to see the other changes. Especially since I decided maining on my SPriest for WotLK because Rogue seems OP. I still kind of hate how Mindflay is, but the range glyph should help...
New MF graphic: