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Deezer.com -- Free Legal (in France) Music on Demand

BamelinBamelin Registered User regular
edited September 2007 in Games and Technology
EDIT:
Monoxide wrote: »
This is pretty obviously not legal outside of France. However, I'm going to leave this thread open for a discussion about the issues surrounding the site, and not for advocating it's use.

It's pretty interesting that the music industry in France is embracing this instead of following in the footsteps of the inquisition lead by the RIAA.

(that means if the rest of this thread is just "OH MY GOD IM SO LISTENING TO DEVO FOR FREE RIGHT NOW" it will be locked)


So I was over at redflagdeals and I stumbled across the mention of a site named Deezer, formerly known as blogmuik.net. Deezer allows you to legally listen to music on demand.

They have recieved permission from SACEM, the French version of the RIAA and pay the music artists through advertising protecting copyright royalties -- http://www.deezer.com/press/cp_deezer_220807_en.pdf

I googled for abit more information and it appears that Universal at least is NOT happy with Deezer ... it's unclear to me however who has jurasdiction ...

The site itself is pretty cool, the jukebox you can make playlists, it's perfect for the office.


So ... um is this legal? Music artists are being paid through advertising, and SACEM has given the site it's blessing.

I'm abit conused to be honest. Does this mean the site is legal in France but illegal in Canada/US? Or is it a big grey murky area? I'm no fan of pirating music, however, it seems in this case the artists are actually being paid through a legally recognized body.

Could somebody shed more light on this?

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  • LewiePLewieP Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    wow, that is fucking awesome.

    utterly fucking awesome.

    This is like, future technology. I am never more than a click away from a complete Radiohead discography.

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  • FremFrem Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    So, wait. The artists are getting paid and the record labels aren't? This is quite possibly the greatest thing I've heard all day.

    edit: Also, this is one of the few sites I'm willing to disable Adblock Plus for.

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  • BamelinBamelin Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Frem wrote: »
    So, wait. The artists are getting paid and the record labels aren't? This is quite possibly the greatest thing I've heard all day.

    See this is the crux of the issue for me ... as long as the artists are getting paid and a recording body (SACEM) has agreed to this arrangement, it seems fairly legal to me.

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  • GlalGlal AiredaleRegistered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Frem wrote: »
    So, wait. The artists are getting paid and the record labels aren't? This is quite possibly the greatest thing I've heard all day.

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  • JihadJesusJihadJesus Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Glal wrote: »
    Frem wrote: »
    So, wait. The artists are getting paid and the record labels aren't? This is quite possibly the greatest thing I've heard all day.
    Can not be quoted, limed bolded etc enough!

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  • wobblyheadedbobwobblyheadedbob Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    JihadJesus wrote: »
    Glal wrote: »
    Frem wrote: »
    So, wait. The artists are getting paid and the record labels aren't? This is quite possibly the greatest thing I've heard all day.
    Can not be quoted, limed bolded etc enough!

    Seriously, that is awesome.

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  • DarkWarriorDarkWarrior __BANNED USERS regular
    edited September 2007
    I was more impressed till I realised you can't download the songs.

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  • PataPata Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Since the artists are being paid I see no problem with this.

    Sounds cool.

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  • CampionCampion Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    I was more impressed till I realised you can't download the songs.

    They get their money through advertisements, how did you suppose it would work like that?

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  • HalberdBlueHalberdBlue Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Ruckus makes its money through advertisements and you can download the songs?

    This site seems to have a much better selection though.

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  • KrizKriz Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Campion wrote: »
    I was more impressed till I realised you can't download the songs.

    They get their money through advertisements, how did you suppose it would work like that?

    All they would have to do is require that the user watch a few ads before each download, it's not that far-fetched.

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  • JAEFJAEF Unstoppably Bald Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    I will slap the belly for free music. Oh yes.

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  • DarkWarriorDarkWarrior __BANNED USERS regular
    edited September 2007
    Kriz wrote: »
    Campion wrote: »
    I was more impressed till I realised you can't download the songs.

    They get their money through advertisements, how did you suppose it would work like that?

    All they would have to do is require that the user watch a few ads before each download, it's not that far-fetched.

    That and you're geting the whole song anyway by streaming it, the only difference is you have to then keep replaying it on the site rather than having downloaded it. A HUGE bulk of advertisements plus a download limit of maybe 5 songs a day or 25 a week would make it feasible.

    As it is now its similar to internet radio except no interruptions on the start and end to songs and we get to pick our own playlist.

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  • LewiePLewieP Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    The search engine needs some work, but apart from that, I have no complaints.

    Downloads would be good too, but it is hella unrealistic.

    The first cheap wi-fi device to be compatible with this will get my money.

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  • JAEFJAEF Unstoppably Bald Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Seeing as how all the current internet radios don't actually let you pick exactly what you want to listen to I'd say this is quite dandy. Man those internet radio things are annoying. When I enter a song I want to listen to I don't want to hear something absolutely terrible that you think I would like. No. Thank you. I want the music I put in the box.

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  • BamelinBamelin Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    I guess the reason for no downloads is that they need you to be looking at the adverts each time you listen to the song for the whole set up to work.

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  • RaslinRaslin Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    This is the single greatest website created in the last 5 years.

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  • DarkWarriorDarkWarrior __BANNED USERS regular
    edited September 2007
    Bamelin wrote: »
    I guess the reason for no downloads is that they need you to be looking at the adverts each time you listen to the song for the whole set up to work.

    I've seen sites, which admittedly I hated, but forced you to look at the adverts for a timed period. If you looked at anything else other than the page, the timer froze till you came back.

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  • japanjapan Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    I can't get this working right.

    It seems I can set up an account, but if I try to sign in I het a blank screen with the ad-bar at the side.

    I'm going to give it a try in Firefox.

    EDIT: Holy shit this is awesome.

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  • NickTheNewbieNickTheNewbie Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    This site has dream theater and redemption. I see no reason to look anywhere else.

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  • RaslinRaslin Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    This site has Rush and Sonata Arctica. I see no reason to look anywhere else.

    Fixed(for me, anyways).

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  • lordswinglordswing Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    this site is amazing, just this morning i was deciding whether or not i should bring my ipod to work, as it only had half a charge. i brought it anyways, but fuck it, i never had to now thanks to this.

    *edit*Is there a way to add a song to your playlist besides searching for it? Possibly through that music player?

    *edit2*Jesus, this site rocks, I've found a bunch of remixes to old songs I've always loved, but never heard of. Thanks op!

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  • GorkGork Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    There was a site about a year ago that worked similarly to this. While I was using it, I found myself purchasing more music then I was without it. I wondered if other people had the same experience.

    Being able to listen to a full album at least once is such a great way to discover music.

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  • NickTheNewbieNickTheNewbie Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Raslin wrote: »
    This site has Rush and Sonata Arctica. I see no reason to look anywhere else.

    Fixed(for me, anyways).

    OH SHI-

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  • archonwarparchonwarp Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    I can't listen to music right now, as I'm in a crowded building at school, but how does this compare to Pandora? I know it obviously has the whole album on it, but is it worth checking out if one already has napster-to-go or zunepass or pandora access?

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  • StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited September 2007
    archonwarp wrote: »
    I can't listen to music right now, as I'm in a crowded building at school, but how does this compare to Pandora? I know it obviously has the whole album on it, but is it worth checking out if one already has napster-to-go or zunepass or pandora access?
    If you aren't on a computer with that stuff loaded on, this works great.

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  • archonwarparchonwarp Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Pandora is also web-based and gives you a sweet 'radio' with suggestions to artists with sounds similar to the current song/band you're listening to. It uses something called the 'music genome project', which has linked together basically every piece of music ever published on any professional level. I've found a lot of bands I really like that I never knew existed.

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  • StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited September 2007
    archonwarp wrote: »
    Pandora is also web-based and gives you a sweet 'radio' with suggestions to artists with sounds similar to the current song/band you're listening to. It uses something called the 'music genome project', which has linked together basically every piece of music ever published on any professional level. I've found a lot of bands I really like that I never knew existed.
    Deezer lets you search and play specific songs. I think Pandora is fairly random.

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  • GorkGork Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Yeah, see, I'm already hemorrhaging money.


    Does anyone have some tampons for my pockets?

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  • SnowconeSnowcone Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    I keep getting an access denied message. I bet my ISA firewall is jacking it up.

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  • SanderJKSanderJK Crocodylus Pontifex Sinterklasicus Madrid, 3000 ADRegistered User regular
    edited September 2007
    This is awesome.

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  • TheCrumblyCrackerTheCrumblyCracker Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Its apparently loading music from proxy or something, and my shit is loading very slowly. But its free so I really can't complain.

    Edit: Its going slowly because me sister is downloading some random greys anatomy crap.

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  • RaslinRaslin Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Hmm. My brother was loading slowly too, but I blame that on wifi. I'm directly connected to the router, and once in a while on a song, it will stop for a couple seconds at the beginning.

    That said, I need help. What do I listen too? There's so many choices! Any suggestions? I like power metal, prog rock, nerdcore, rock mainly... I've listened to most of the big names of these genre's, but suggestions would be awesome regardless!

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  • OverlordOverlord Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    This is the greatest thing ever.

    So what are the odds of it getting shut down?

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  • DiscoZombieDiscoZombie Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    this needs a program like Pandora's Jar for rippage. then we would be unstoppable.

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  • PataPata Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Overlord wrote: »
    This is the greatest thing ever.

    So what are the odds of it getting shut down?

    I don't think very likely considering they have contracts with the artists.

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  • Sharp10rSharp10r Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    They need to buffer more. The listen to 20 seconds and wait for more is unacceptable when listening to music. I'm sure they'll fix it in time, but for now, IMO it's not worth it.

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  • DarkWarriorDarkWarrior __BANNED USERS regular
    edited September 2007
    Sharp10r wrote: »
    They need to buffer more. The listen to 20 seconds and wait for more is unacceptable when listening to music. I'm sure they'll fix it in time, but for now, IMO it's not worth it.

    Thats you not them, works perfectly fine for me.

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  • lordswinglordswing Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Sharp10r wrote: »
    They need to buffer more. The listen to 20 seconds and wait for more is unacceptable when listening to music. I'm sure they'll fix it in time, but for now, IMO it's not worth it.

    Hurray for ridiculous school Internet, with wireless that downloads at 2 megs/sec.

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  • Recoil42Recoil42 Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Wait, so why is everyone jizzing all over this as revolutionary? I mean.. Pandora? Last.fm? Anyone?

    I know, this lets you choose your music, rather than playing it as a radio, but still, technologically, the concept is exactly the same.

    I mean, hell.. Jamendo anyone? Jamendo's been doing this for years, and the only difference is these guys have struck deals with big artists (or something). So, why all the pants changing?

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