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Are Apple heartless bastards...

ben0207ben0207 Registered User regular
edited September 2007 in Games and Technology
..or have I just maed najer fale with my new(ish) monitor?

I have a 20" Intel iMac from last year. I want a second 20" display, so I can hook up my iMac for the Potatoshopping, and my 360 for the lazoring of mans. All well and good.

So I bought one of these, as it was cheap (200 UKP) on eBay. Now I find out I need 85 FUCKING POUNDS worth of adaptors,and thats not including hooking up my 360.

What the shit? Is there some way round this?

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    DaedalusDaedalus Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    I'm confused. The iMac doesn't just have a DVI port on the back?

    upon googling: no, it has Apple's weird mini-DVI. You need a mini-DVI to DVI adapter (something like $20 from the Apple Store) and a DVI cable (get it from Monoprice if it ships to your weird, far-off country). Do not ever buy DVI cable from a store that charges like $50 for 6 feet. DVI/HDMI ripoffs are the new trend for retail stores. Find somewhere on the Internet that has it cheap.

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    InzignaInzigna Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    I don't get something, why is Apple so stubborn about ports?

    Just so people can buy the adapters?

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    areaarea Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Daedalus wrote: »
    You need a mini-DVI to DVI adapter (something like $20 from the Apple Store)

    The iMac should have come with this, I believe.

    EDIT: Looking at the monitor, it doesn't help. It's an old monitor, before Apple decided on the DVI port, which uses Apple's own port.

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    BladeXBladeX Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    area wrote: »
    Daedalus wrote: »
    You need a mini-DVI to DVI adapter (something like $20 from the Apple Store)

    The iMac should have come with this, I believe.

    EDIT: Looking at the monitor, it doesn't help. It's an old monitor, before Apple decided on the DVI port, which uses Apple's own port.

    Intel Macs actually don't have it included in the box. He needs a Mini-DVI to DVI adapter which as mentioned is $20 bucks but as you mentioned the display uses the old ADC connector so he also needs the 99 dollar DVI to ADC adapter. (http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wa/RSLID?mco=6C04E07A&nplm=M8661LL/B)

    No idea if there are cheaper third party alternatives.

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    ben0207ben0207 Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Doesn't look like. Which means in total I will have saved about 10p, and I'll have a worse looking display. Shit.

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    tachyontachyon Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    So just to be clear, you bought a piece of hardware and didn't look at the hookups/ports online before hand, and now are complaining that you have to buy adapters?!? The link you provided clearly shows that the display cable is ADC, and even says in the notes: "4. Also requires a system w/ an ADC port or a DVI-to-ADC adapter."

    I enjoy the good apple bash every now and then, but this is a bit much.

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    ben0207ben0207 Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    tachyon wrote: »
    So just to be clear, you bought a piece of hardware and didn't look at the hookups/ports online before hand, and now are complaining that you have to buy adapters?!? The link you provided clearly shows that the display cable is ADC, and even says in the notes: "4. Also requires a system w/ an ADC port or a DVI-to-ADC adapter."

    I enjoy the good apple bash every now and then, but this is a bit much.
    Actually it's mostly the cheek Apple have to charge 70 quid for what is essentially a powered USB hub, since the main difference between ADC and DVI is that ADC carries power and USB, and the only other difference is the shape of the plug. It's also the cheek of seeing that their crazy proprietary ADC thing failed miserably, so they try it on again with Mini-DVI in all but their very Pro-end hardware.

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    tachyontachyon Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    ben0207 wrote: »
    tachyon wrote: »
    So just to be clear, you bought a piece of hardware and didn't look at the hookups/ports online before hand, and now are complaining that you have to buy adapters?!? The link you provided clearly shows that the display cable is ADC, and even says in the notes: "4. Also requires a system w/ an ADC port or a DVI-to-ADC adapter."

    I enjoy the good apple bash every now and then, but this is a bit much.
    Actually it's mostly the cheek Apple have to charge 70 quid for what is essentially a powered USB hub, since the main difference between ADC and DVI is that ADC carries power and USB, and the only other difference is the shape of the plug. It's also the cheek of seeing that their crazy proprietary ADC thing failed miserably, so they try it on again with Mini-DVI in all but their very Pro-end hardware.

    I hear you man, I'm not saying that the ports make any kind of since. But you bought an apple product that was discontinued over 3 years ago. The link you provided clearly shows this port nonsense, yet you still bought the product (because it was cheap)

    I feel your pain, but it would be like buying an old Dell flatscreen, and then complaining that you had to buy a vga-dvi adapter.

    Anywho, something like this would work, but looks crazy short, http://www.overstock.com/Electronics/Belkin-ADC-To-DVI-Apple-Monitor-Adapter/2635861/product.html?cid=25608&fp=F#TABS

    So you would have to buy an additional DVI extender, like it was said before, look at http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10209

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    SageinaRageSageinaRage Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    The reason the port is so expensive is because there's no demand for it, probably. I mean, it sucks, but that's what happens when you buy old discontinued hardware without checking compatibility. Sorry man.

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    NaloutoNalouto Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    there are 2 things you don't buy from Mac.

    RAM.

    and Monitors.

    yes, they are nice and beautiful, but damned inconvenient, and expensive as fuck. (though you did seem to get a decent deal)

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    MorskittarMorskittar Lord Warlock Engineer SeattleRegistered User regular
    edited September 2007
    I think locking down cross-platform connectivity makes quite a bit of sense within the Apple business model. Interoperability eliminates absolute control over all aspects of the platform, potentially undermining quality and reliability, if in customer perception if nothing else. Calling them heartless bastards is probably a bit much, considering they're just trying to protect the closed-environment business model; not an emotional decision.

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    ZackSchillingZackSchilling Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    The ADC adaptor is a USB hub and power supply for the monitor, so yeah, it'll cost $$. I have an ADC -> DVI adaptor that cost me a few dollars because it's nothing more than a pinout change. The benefit of ADC is that it only needs one cable, so it looks simple, cool and clutter-free. Now it's the worst of both worlds!

    (PS: I thought the mini-DVI to DVI adaptor came with the iMac?)

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    ben0207ben0207 Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    The ADC adaptor is a USB hub and power supply for the monitor, so yeah, it'll cost $$. I have an ADC -> DVI adaptor that cost me a few dollars because it's nothing more than a pinout change. The benefit of ADC is that it only needs one cable, so it looks simple, cool and clutter-free. Now it's the worst of both worlds!

    (PS: I thought the mini-DVI to DVI adaptor came with the iMac?)

    If it did I've lost mine.

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    SmilingoatSmilingoat Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    after buying a gen 2 ipod, and then it breaking, then buying a gen 3 ipod, then it breaking, then buying a gen 4 ipod then it breaking, and each time telling them taht less than a year after purchasing their product it stopped working, they told me they would fix it...

    for over $100 each time. i'd say yeah, they are heartless.

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    apotheosapotheos Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited September 2007
    ben0207 wrote: »
    maed najer fale with my new(ish) monitor?


    First, what the fuck language is "maed najer fale"?

    And as this monitor was discontinued 3 years ago, this is not new(ish).

    But yeah, you're kind of fucked. If you have a Mac with an ADC port, you can convert that to DVI for about $40. But you want to go the other way, and the thing about the ADC format is that it did everything and the kitchen sink including provide power to the display AS WELL as having hardware integration over USB for brightness and contrast.

    The official Apple solution was $150 MSRP, and the third party solutions at the time were $100 MSRP.

    You sir, are fucked. But Apple isn't heartless. You just made a tragic mistake.

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    apotheosapotheos Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited September 2007
    ben0207 wrote: »
    The ADC adaptor is a USB hub and power supply for the monitor, so yeah, it'll cost $$. I have an ADC -> DVI adaptor that cost me a few dollars because it's nothing more than a pinout change. The benefit of ADC is that it only needs one cable, so it looks simple, cool and clutter-free. Now it's the worst of both worlds!

    (PS: I thought the mini-DVI to DVI adaptor came with the iMac?)

    If it did I've lost mine.

    No Mini-DVI adapter comes with iMacs. You can buy an analog (to VGA) or digital (to DVI) adapter for about $30

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    apotheosapotheos Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited September 2007
    Morskittar wrote: »
    I think locking down cross-platform connectivity makes quite a bit of sense within the Apple business model. Interoperability eliminates absolute control over all aspects of the platform, potentially undermining quality and reliability, if in customer perception if nothing else. Calling them heartless bastards is probably a bit much, considering they're just trying to protect the closed-environment business model; not an emotional decision.

    Apple sold an official solution to use this with non ADC hardware. It was not locked down.

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    MorskittarMorskittar Lord Warlock Engineer SeattleRegistered User regular
    edited September 2007
    apotheos wrote: »
    Morskittar wrote: »
    I think locking down cross-platform connectivity makes quite a bit of sense within the Apple business model. Interoperability eliminates absolute control over all aspects of the platform, potentially undermining quality and reliability, if in customer perception if nothing else. Calling them heartless bastards is probably a bit much, considering they're just trying to protect the closed-environment business model; not an emotional decision.

    Apple sold an official solution to use this with non ADC hardware. It was not locked down.

    In the real world, I don't think it's possible to have something completely locked down; I probably shouldn't have used that term.

    I was mostly speculating as to why I think Apple is so stubborn about ports; providing their own solution (with adapters for extra cost) instead of a general standard. A customer who tries to use a third-party solution and has a bad experience may lay blame on Apple, which undermines a lot of work put into providing an integrated consumer electronics solution.

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    apotheosapotheos Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited September 2007
    Morskittar wrote: »
    apotheos wrote: »
    Morskittar wrote: »
    I think locking down cross-platform connectivity makes quite a bit of sense within the Apple business model. Interoperability eliminates absolute control over all aspects of the platform, potentially undermining quality and reliability, if in customer perception if nothing else. Calling them heartless bastards is probably a bit much, considering they're just trying to protect the closed-environment business model; not an emotional decision.

    Apple sold an official solution to use this with non ADC hardware. It was not locked down.

    In the real world, I don't think it's possible to have something completely locked down; I probably shouldn't have used that term.

    I was mostly speculating as to why I think Apple is so stubborn about ports; providing their own solution (with adapters for extra cost) instead of a general standard. Nearly any customer who tries to use a third-party solution and has a bad experience, will lay blame on Apple, which undermines a lot of work put into providing an integrated consumer electronics solution.

    Well thats all well and good but they don't really do that any more. ADC was their last kick at that cat, and ADB was their only other truly proprietary inteface format. NuBUS and SCSI were used for expansions but they were industry standards but only found in high-end PC's at the time so they seemed kind of proprietary.

    Mini-DVI, for example, is a standard but I can only think of Sony when it comes to others who use it. It allows for VGA and DVI functionality in the space the size of a dime. This is important for something with a slim form factor like an iMac or a Sony VAIO. Its not super common, but its not proprietary like ADC and ADB were.

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    MorskittarMorskittar Lord Warlock Engineer SeattleRegistered User regular
    edited September 2007
    I see. Do you see issues like this thread being less of a problem for Mac owners in the future?

    edit; Nevermind. That's kind of a dumb question. Your statement already seems to indicate that they've made a move toward more interoperable systems to avoid stuff like this thread.

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    apotheosapotheos Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited September 2007
    Yeah. They've been moving towards standards ever since the first iMac. It won't be a big issue in the future if current trends continue.

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    AzioAzio Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    You should have bought a Dell. Same LCD, better stand, more inputs, less money.

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    Xenogears of BoreXenogears of Bore Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Apple is a major global corporation, of course they are heartless bastards. Not their fault you bought an "old" monitor.

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