Frusterations about halo marketing lead to more discussion about halo which leads to more people looking into halo which causes people to buy halo because overall people give halo good word of mouth reviews.
So if you complain about marketing, you incite discussion which leads to more people talking about how sweet halo is which leads to more people buying halo at midnight.
So the solution to the "problem" a few of you have with "corporate dogs" is to shut up about said marketing campaign or you will find yourself a more integral cog in the process.
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This is only because they hand out little tickets or something with numbers so you can sit in your car or do something in the area. You have to be there at 9 so they can hand them out before they close.
Anyone that is anywhere near Gamestop Monday night is kind of a tool. Dedicated, yes, but still just a willing cog in the corporate machine.
explain how
You're paying them money to get an extra few hours to whore out shit you don't need when you're likely tired, possibly already spending quite a bit of money, and overall not in your best judgment.
Exactly.
Also, this kind of behavior shows that people are letting the hype and the marketing eclipse the actual product. Halo 3 isn't just a game any more. They have turned it into an event, and tickets are $60 a piece.
God forbid anyone enjoy the atmosphere that has been created to market the game.
What fucking atmosphere?
[quote[FUCKING OF COURSE MARKETTING IS ENJOYABLE. If the marketing and hype weren't fun, they wouldn't work.[/quote]
Tell that to "Head-On".
Hell, you're paying some corporation for your internet access. Your clothes probably came from a sweatshop in east asia, which means that not only where workers treated horribly, but some American corporation offshored their production over there, costing American manufacturing jobs.
How...how is that even slightly related in any way to this discussion?
Spouting anti-corporate bullshit just lets everyone know how much of a tool you are. Someday, when you're older than 15, maybe you'll understand.
*Rubs temple*I'd like to say I expected better of you than sucking the corporate dick like the exact antithesis of a 16 year old "communist", but I've been around quite a while and people know when I lie.
Frusterations about halo marketing lead to more discussion about halo which leads to more people looking into halo which causes people to buy halo because overall people give halo good word of mouth reviews.
So if you complain about marketing, you incite discussion which leads to more people talking about how sweet halo is which leads to more people buying halo at midnight.
So the solution to the "problem" a few of you have with "corporate dogs" is to shut up about said marketing campaign or you will find yourself a more integral cog in the process.
"All word of mouth is good word of mouth."
This "logic"?
It's retarded.
Please stop it.
Seriously, those guys have stupid arguments. Like there hasn't ever been a midnight release for a game besides Halo. Games that have been much less hyped.
All I can think of is Halo 2 and World of Warcrafts expansion. One of those two is something that benefits from having it released early, as people cramming into servers on release day is a bit less stressful when a lot of those people cramming in have been there for a few hours. Spreads the load out.
And the Halo events have always been "Come in, browse, buy more crap!" Whereas the WoW event was pretty much "Walk in, pick up copy, walk out" but that could be a location thing, but they WERE both Gamestop, so I dunno...
I concede the point about talking to people with similar interests, but sadly there are a lot of..."less desirable people" that will be at the Halo release. People that mocked me for playing video games. Of course it's not just Halo. I'd probably avoid a Pokemon midnight release to avoid that crowd too.
My point is, the worst people are usually the ones that go to these things. I went to the WoW midnight release and...well it wasn't exactly an attractive crowd. You're very rarely going to find someone with similar interests you WANT TO CONVERSE WITH unless you are the type of guy who hops onto Halo 2, calls everyone the N-Word regardless of race, and bitches that they are just some "Shotgun fag" or "Rocket whore" or "Sniping Asshole". And if that's not you, then you'd better eat, sleep, and breath Halo for the other half of the crowd.
Just like I intend to avoid the Wrath of the Lich King release unless I suddenly decide it's cool to taunt "Alliance fags" and "Pussy-ass Druids" or decide that WoW is the greatest invention ever.
No, festivity is great. I just think that brand worship is kind of wrong. I feel the same way about Star Wars movie launches.
My main problem is that products with this kind of fanbase are almost above criticism. So it allows the developers to get away with making mediocre sequels.
What? The Star Wars fanbase is extremely critical of the new trilogy. If anything, this kind of fanbase is the kind that is most likely to get pissed off at mediocre sequels.
They would get pissed off, but they still paid to watch the movie and they will still pay to watch the next sequel.
I'm not saying that any hype and marketing is evil and bad. I just feel that people should make informed game purchasing decisions based on their own good judgement, not the hype. They should research previews, watch gameplay videos, give the game a rent (since there's no demo), read reviews, and everything else that gamers usually do when a new product comes out.
I at least remember Doom 3 having a midnight release around here. And with the amount of people that seem to be pre-ordering the game, I'm inclined to assume that I'll be able to pick out a few diamonds in the rough, and if not, I'm still going with 7 other people that I know. Either way it's more like a little party for a group of my friends who love the same hobby as I do. We'll be ordering pizza and hanging out for a few hours, getting our copy of the game and then going home to play it. Sounds like a good fucking time to me.
I at least remember Doom 3 having a midnight release around here. And with the amount of people that seem to be pre-ordering the game, I'm inclined to assume that I'll be able to pick out a few diamonds in the rough, and if not, I'm still going with 7 other people that I know. Either way it's more like a little party for a group of my friends who love the same hobby as I do. We'll be ordering pizza and hanging out for a few hours, getting our copy of the game and then going home to play it. Sounds like a good fucking time to me.
Well yeah but you're avoiding the fucktard part of it. Well, I can assume so anyway
Honestly, it could be ANY GAME coming out at midnight. Halo is interchangeable in this equation.
Ah, the parade of the Anti-Social Socialists.
It's like being back in High School, but without having to look at their acne.
Warn me before you go to bed.
I'll grab a stepping stool so you don't break your leg climbing off that high horse.
I'm actually surprised you even got up there, what with your head so far up your ass.
"All word of mouth is good word of mouth."
This "logic"?
It's retarded.
Please stop it.
Retarded based on what? When you have a solid product word of mouth is a cornerstone of good marketing.
I can only wonder what you think of midnight movie showings.
After seeing Spider-man 3(and believe me, the movie was the LEAST obnoxious part of it) I think they are a good idea to get all the idiots into one showing so I can watch the movie in peace the next day.
And it's retarded based on the idea that ANY word of mouth is good just because it's getting the word out.
If I say "Hey, Halo is a shitty game where some dude grabs a bomb dropped on his space ship and flings it back at the aliens." you're gonna go "He says it sucks but that sounds pretty awesome."
If I said "It's a game where you rape and molest children" you're PROBABLY gonna avoid it, regardless of if it is true or not.
It's like being back in High School, but without having to look at their acne.
Warn me before you go to bed.
I'll grab a stepping stool so you don't break your leg climbing off that high horse.
I'm actually surprised you even got up there, what with your head so far up your ass.
Aw, come on, is that all you got? You didn't even reference the fact that I'm some kind of jaded sell-out, or something.
Seriously, being mad at people for enjoying something that has had hype behind it is fucking retarded. Hating people for not hating corporations is even worse.
And if you want to talk about high horses...
I intend to avoid the Wrath of the Lich King release unless I suddenly decide it's cool to taunt "Alliance fags" and "Pussy-ass Druids"
If I said "It's a game where you rape and molest children" you're PROBABLY gonna avoid it, regardless of if it is true or not.
right, because he is just going to believe what you say unquestioningly?
No, he's going to see if you were telling the truth, and then, when he sees you weren't, he might find out that it was a game he would actually like, rather than not caring at all as he would have before hand.
And the Halo events have always been "Come in, browse, buy more crap!" Whereas the WoW event was pretty much "Walk in, pick up copy, walk out" but that could be a location thing, but they WERE both Gamestop, so I dunno...
If you knew what you were talking about you would know that we were selling a ton of extra merchandise for Burning Crusade too. Granted we have more Halo 3 merchandise, but that's only because it's more popular. We have probably twice, or more, the amount of preorders on Halo 3 than we did on BC.
I'm not saying that any hype and marketing is evil and bad. I just feel that people should make informed game purchasing decisions based on their own good judgement, not the hype. They should research previews, watch gameplay videos, give the game a rent (since there's no demo), read reviews, and everything else that gamers usually do when a new product comes out.
Said trips through (heavily PR-controlled, really) videogame journalism are no more enlightening than simple, communal anticipation -- Bungie has an excellent track record, people look forward to Bungie's new release -- and renting in addition to buying is too laborious and costly a process for many.
If I said "It's a game where you rape and molest children" you're PROBABLY gonna avoid it, regardless of if it is true or not.
right, because he is just going to believe what you say unquestioningly?
No, he's going to see if you were telling the truth, and then, when he sees you weren't, he might find out that it was a game he would actually like, rather than not caring at all as he would have before hand.
Y'know, I used a hypothetical and out-there example on purpose.
You're not supposed to argue like I was being serious.
If you knew what you were talking about you would know that we were selling a ton of extra merchandise for Burning Crusade too. Granted we have more Halo 3 merchandise, but that's only because it's more popular. We have probably twice, or more, the amount of preorders on Halo 3 than we did on BC.
I'm a huge liar, you're right.
I totally wasn't there.
I totally have no idea what I am talking about, having only been there.
You're right.
The thing about word of mouth is that if a company has a solid product they feel that MOST of the word of mouth about their product is going to be good.
For instance, I have a reputation in my office (corporate office, 95% older than me and only 1 person out of the other 150 know what penny-arcade is) as being THE guy to talk to about games. So I have people talk to me about their 360's PS3's what to buy their kids, "why should I buy this DS instead of a ps2 I mean they are the same price but one can be played on the tv!" As the in-house gamer, i give relatively well-informed and overall good thumbs up to things which I consider good, as such my good opinion influences the minds of the people in my office.
HOWEVER, I do not make these people come talk to me, their kids either ask them to buy them something or they see a commercial for something.
The chain of events goes, Newspaper Article --> Commercial ---> Me
"Hey, I read about halo in the paper and heard its got alot of these midnight release things going on, and now I'm seeing commercials for it. What do you think about it?"
Word of mouth is then spouted from a relatively informed source.
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If I said "It's a game where you rape and molest children" you're PROBABLY gonna avoid it, regardless of if it is true or not.
right, because he is just going to believe what you say unquestioningly?
No, he's going to see if you were telling the truth, and then, when he sees you weren't, he might find out that it was a game he would actually like, rather than not caring at all as he would have before hand.
Y'know, I used a hypothetical and out-there example on purpose.
You're not supposed to argue like I was being serious.
You are missing my point.
When you, a single person, tell him simply "yeah, that's a bad game", he is not going to say "oh, well, one person told me it was bad, so it's not worth bothering with." Far more likely, he'll see what was so bad about it, and then see it's not as bad as you said, and buy it.
If I said "It's a game where you rape and molest children" you're PROBABLY gonna avoid it, regardless of if it is true or not.
right, because he is just going to believe what you say unquestioningly?
No, he's going to see if you were telling the truth, and then, when he sees you weren't, he might find out that it was a game he would actually like, rather than not caring at all as he would have before hand.
Meh - this isn't always the case. For example, every time a sonic game is released, I assume that it will be terrible. If someone actually mentions to me that it's terrible, I'll believe them and probably never look into it any more than that.
If I said "It's a game where you rape and molest children" you're PROBABLY gonna avoid it, regardless of if it is true or not.
right, because he is just going to believe what you say unquestioningly?
No, he's going to see if you were telling the truth, and then, when he sees you weren't, he might find out that it was a game he would actually like, rather than not caring at all as he would have before hand.
Meh - this isn't always the case. For example, every time a sonic game is released, I assume that it will be terrible. If someone actually mentions to me that it's terrible, I'll believe them and probably never look into it any more than that.
well, yeah
but that is kind of a different case from "something that the consumer was unfamiliar with"
If I said "It's a game where you rape and molest children" you're PROBABLY gonna avoid it, regardless of if it is true or not.
right, because he is just going to believe what you say unquestioningly?
No, he's going to see if you were telling the truth, and then, when he sees you weren't, he might find out that it was a game he would actually like, rather than not caring at all as he would have before hand.
Y'know, I used a hypothetical and out-there example on purpose.
You're not supposed to argue like I was being serious.
If you knew what you were talking about you would know that we were selling a ton of extra merchandise for Burning Crusade too. Granted we have more Halo 3 merchandise, but that's only because it's more popular. We have probably twice, or more, the amount of preorders on Halo 3 than we did on BC.
I'm a huge liar, you're right.
I totally wasn't there.
I totally have no idea what I am talking about, having only been there.
You're right.
See, I worked it. I had to put out all our tshirts, buttons, patches, stickers and playing cards out for display. I also bought a bunch of them myself. So, maybe your store didn't have enough preorders to necessitate the extra stuff, but trust me, it was there.
I'll let you in on a little secret though. I hate that little shit, because we sell very little of it, and then it just sits in my store for months cluttering up the place. I hate it, I hate it, I hate it. But you can hardly blame gamestop for the state of merchandising. I bet that Best Buy will be carrying that same shit.
If I said "It's a game where you rape and molest children" you're PROBABLY gonna avoid it, regardless of if it is true or not.
right, because he is just going to believe what you say unquestioningly?
No, he's going to see if you were telling the truth, and then, when he sees you weren't, he might find out that it was a game he would actually like, rather than not caring at all as he would have before hand.
Y'know, I used a hypothetical and out-there example on purpose.
You're not supposed to argue like I was being serious.
You are missing my point.
When you, a single person, tell him simply "yeah, that's a bad game", he is not going to say "oh, well, one person told me it was bad, so it's not worth bothering with." Far more likely, he'll see what was so bad about it, and then see it's not as bad as you said, and buy it.
THAT is the whole point of the phrase, etc.
Fine, then explain to me the good point of Sony being outed as making a website that claimed to be a teenagers website about how much he wants a PSP for Christmas, and everyone talking about how it was disgraceful and stupid and it made them less attracted to the PSP as a handheld and Sony as a company?
Also, take a cue from 1600. He seems to get this whole "Point-Counter Point" thing.
If I said "It's a game where you rape and molest children" you're PROBABLY gonna avoid it, regardless of if it is true or not.
right, because he is just going to believe what you say unquestioningly?
No, he's going to see if you were telling the truth, and then, when he sees you weren't, he might find out that it was a game he would actually like, rather than not caring at all as he would have before hand.
Y'know, I used a hypothetical and out-there example on purpose.
You're not supposed to argue like I was being serious.
You are missing my point.
When you, a single person, tell him simply "yeah, that's a bad game", he is not going to say "oh, well, one person told me it was bad, so it's not worth bothering with." Far more likely, he'll see what was so bad about it, and then see it's not as bad as you said, and buy it.
THAT is the whole point of the phrase, etc.
Fine, then explain to me the good point of Sony being outed as making a website that claimed to be a teenagers website about how much he wants a PSP for Christmas, and everyone talking about how it was disgraceful and stupid and it made them less attracted to the PSP as a handheld and Sony as a company?
Also, take a cue from 1600. He seems to get this whole "Point-Counter Point" thing.
I never said that "ALL" PR is good PR, that was some one else.
I was just calling you out on your bullshit premises.
If I said "It's a game where you rape and molest children" you're PROBABLY gonna avoid it, regardless of if it is true or not.
right, because he is just going to believe what you say unquestioningly?
No, he's going to see if you were telling the truth, and then, when he sees you weren't, he might find out that it was a game he would actually like, rather than not caring at all as he would have before hand.
Meh - this isn't always the case. For example, every time a sonic game is released, I assume that it will be terrible. If someone actually mentions to me that it's terrible, I'll believe them and probably never look into it any more than that.
well, yeah
but that is kind of a different case from "something that the consumer was unfamiliar with"
Haha, yes. That is what I meant when I said it wasn't always the case - sometimes..the case is different! It is still word of mouth, however.
If I said "It's a game where you rape and molest children" you're PROBABLY gonna avoid it, regardless of if it is true or not.
right, because he is just going to believe what you say unquestioningly?
No, he's going to see if you were telling the truth, and then, when he sees you weren't, he might find out that it was a game he would actually like, rather than not caring at all as he would have before hand.
Y'know, I used a hypothetical and out-there example on purpose.
You're not supposed to argue like I was being serious.
You are missing my point.
When you, a single person, tell him simply "yeah, that's a bad game", he is not going to say "oh, well, one person told me it was bad, so it's not worth bothering with." Far more likely, he'll see what was so bad about it, and then see it's not as bad as you said, and buy it.
THAT is the whole point of the phrase, etc.
Fine, then explain to me the good point of Sony being outed as making a website that claimed to be a teenagers website about how much he wants a PSP for Christmas, and everyone talking about how it was disgraceful and stupid and it made them less attracted to the PSP as a handheld and Sony as a company?
Also, take a cue from 1600. He seems to get this whole "Point-Counter Point" thing.
I never said that "ALL" PR is good PR, that was some one else.
I was just calling you out on your bullshit premises.
...You defended the "All PR is good PR" stance, though.
Thus, I was refuting that it was not good PR.
You don't argue a side of an argument if you don't agree with it unless you're playing devil's advocate, in which case you make it clear.
Fine, then explain to me the good point of Sony being outed as making a website that claimed to be a teenagers website about how much he wants a PSP for Christmas, and everyone talking about how it was disgraceful and stupid and it made them less attracted to the PSP as a handheld and Sony as a company?
This may seem like a cop-out, but as I stated before word of mouth is great when you have a solid product. We have seen it demonstrated time and time again with the ps3 and psp that sony's recent forrays into public relations and marketing have not been the successes that they envisioned.
Word of mouth is a marketing tool, if your marketing department sucks they will not use the tool properly.
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If I said "It's a game where you rape and molest children" you're PROBABLY gonna avoid it, regardless of if it is true or not.
right, because he is just going to believe what you say unquestioningly?
No, he's going to see if you were telling the truth, and then, when he sees you weren't, he might find out that it was a game he would actually like, rather than not caring at all as he would have before hand.
Meh - this isn't always the case. For example, every time a sonic game is released, I assume that it will be terrible. If someone actually mentions to me that it's terrible, I'll believe them and probably never look into it any more than that.
well, yeah
but that is kind of a different case from "something that the consumer was unfamiliar with"
Haha, yes. That is what I meant when I said it wasn't always the case - sometimes..the case is different! It is still word of mouth, however.
So, you're just being nitpicky and pedantic?
No one with half a brain thinks that any and all press is absolutely good, it is just that getting negative press on an item that people were not yet familiar with often has just as much positive side effects as negative ones, if not more.
I'm not saying that any hype and marketing is evil and bad. I just feel that people should make informed game purchasing decisions based on their own good judgement, not the hype. They should research previews, watch gameplay videos, give the game a rent (since there's no demo), read reviews, and everything else that gamers usually do when a new product comes out.
Said trips through (heavily PR-controlled, really) videogame journalism are no more enlightening than simple, communal anticipation -- Bungie has an excellent track record, people look forward to Bungie's new release -- and renting in addition to buying is too laborious and costly a process for many.
This is a more interesting argument than the whole word-of-mouth semantics quibble.
If I said "It's a game where you rape and molest children" you're PROBABLY gonna avoid it, regardless of if it is true or not.
right, because he is just going to believe what you say unquestioningly?
No, he's going to see if you were telling the truth, and then, when he sees you weren't, he might find out that it was a game he would actually like, rather than not caring at all as he would have before hand.
Y'know, I used a hypothetical and out-there example on purpose.
You're not supposed to argue like I was being serious.
You are missing my point.
When you, a single person, tell him simply "yeah, that's a bad game", he is not going to say "oh, well, one person told me it was bad, so it's not worth bothering with." Far more likely, he'll see what was so bad about it, and then see it's not as bad as you said, and buy it.
THAT is the whole point of the phrase, etc.
Fine, then explain to me the good point of Sony being outed as making a website that claimed to be a teenagers website about how much he wants a PSP for Christmas, and everyone talking about how it was disgraceful and stupid and it made them less attracted to the PSP as a handheld and Sony as a company?
Also, take a cue from 1600. He seems to get this whole "Point-Counter Point" thing.
I never said that "ALL" PR is good PR, that was some one else.
I was just calling you out on your bullshit premises.
...You defended the "All PR is good PR" stance, though.
Thus, I was refuting that it was not good PR.
You don't argue a side of an argument if you don't agree with it unless you're playing devil's advocate, in which case you make it clear.
We aren't on "teams" here. It's not my fault if you're making assumptions about what my point is.
If you don't have a response to somethign I say, either admit it, or just drop that marticular topic. Trying to pretned that I've broken some kind of imaganinary "discussion rules" just makes you look like a whiny little brat.
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So if you complain about marketing, you incite discussion which leads to more people talking about how sweet halo is which leads to more people buying halo at midnight.
So the solution to the "problem" a few of you have with "corporate dogs" is to shut up about said marketing campaign or you will find yourself a more integral cog in the process.
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Tell that to "Head-On".
How...how is that even slightly related in any way to this discussion?
*Rubs temple*I'd like to say I expected better of you than sucking the corporate dick like the exact antithesis of a 16 year old "communist", but I've been around quite a while and people know when I lie.
"All word of mouth is good word of mouth."
This "logic"?
It's retarded.
Please stop it.
All I can think of is Halo 2 and World of Warcrafts expansion. One of those two is something that benefits from having it released early, as people cramming into servers on release day is a bit less stressful when a lot of those people cramming in have been there for a few hours. Spreads the load out.
And the Halo events have always been "Come in, browse, buy more crap!" Whereas the WoW event was pretty much "Walk in, pick up copy, walk out" but that could be a location thing, but they WERE both Gamestop, so I dunno...
I concede the point about talking to people with similar interests, but sadly there are a lot of..."less desirable people" that will be at the Halo release. People that mocked me for playing video games. Of course it's not just Halo. I'd probably avoid a Pokemon midnight release to avoid that crowd too.
My point is, the worst people are usually the ones that go to these things. I went to the WoW midnight release and...well it wasn't exactly an attractive crowd. You're very rarely going to find someone with similar interests you WANT TO CONVERSE WITH unless you are the type of guy who hops onto Halo 2, calls everyone the N-Word regardless of race, and bitches that they are just some "Shotgun fag" or "Rocket whore" or "Sniping Asshole". And if that's not you, then you'd better eat, sleep, and breath Halo for the other half of the crowd.
Just like I intend to avoid the Wrath of the Lich King release unless I suddenly decide it's cool to taunt "Alliance fags" and "Pussy-ass Druids" or decide that WoW is the greatest invention ever.
I'm not saying that any hype and marketing is evil and bad. I just feel that people should make informed game purchasing decisions based on their own good judgement, not the hype. They should research previews, watch gameplay videos, give the game a rent (since there's no demo), read reviews, and everything else that gamers usually do when a new product comes out.
It's like being back in High School, but without having to look at their acne.
Retarded based on what? When you have a solid product word of mouth is a cornerstone of good marketing.
I can only wonder what you think of midnight movie showings.
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Well yeah but you're avoiding the fucktard part of it. Well, I can assume so anyway
Honestly, it could be ANY GAME coming out at midnight. Halo is interchangeable in this equation.
Warn me before you go to bed.
I'll grab a stepping stool so you don't break your leg climbing off that high horse.
I'm actually surprised you even got up there, what with your head so far up your ass.
After seeing Spider-man 3(and believe me, the movie was the LEAST obnoxious part of it) I think they are a good idea to get all the idiots into one showing so I can watch the movie in peace the next day.
And it's retarded based on the idea that ANY word of mouth is good just because it's getting the word out.
If I say "Hey, Halo is a shitty game where some dude grabs a bomb dropped on his space ship and flings it back at the aliens." you're gonna go "He says it sucks but that sounds pretty awesome."
If I said "It's a game where you rape and molest children" you're PROBABLY gonna avoid it, regardless of if it is true or not.
Aw, come on, is that all you got? You didn't even reference the fact that I'm some kind of jaded sell-out, or something.
Seriously, being mad at people for enjoying something that has had hype behind it is fucking retarded. Hating people for not hating corporations is even worse.
And if you want to talk about high horses...
;-)
I'm not assuming anything about 1600, but look at it this way.
I say "Oh hey it has baby rape, you're not gonna like it."
What if 1600 IS into that. Then I feel like a jerk.
I'm trying to avoid looking foolish in the off-chance he's a perverted creep.
right, because he is just going to believe what you say unquestioningly?
No, he's going to see if you were telling the truth, and then, when he sees you weren't, he might find out that it was a game he would actually like, rather than not caring at all as he would have before hand.
If you knew what you were talking about you would know that we were selling a ton of extra merchandise for Burning Crusade too. Granted we have more Halo 3 merchandise, but that's only because it's more popular. We have probably twice, or more, the amount of preorders on Halo 3 than we did on BC.
I completely understand, you had to cover your baby-raping bases.
Said trips through (heavily PR-controlled, really) videogame journalism are no more enlightening than simple, communal anticipation -- Bungie has an excellent track record, people look forward to Bungie's new release -- and renting in addition to buying is too laborious and costly a process for many.
You're not supposed to argue like I was being serious.
I'm a huge liar, you're right.
I totally wasn't there.
I totally have no idea what I am talking about, having only been there.
You're right.
If this forum wasn't on an FBI watch list yet, it sure as hell is now.
For instance, I have a reputation in my office (corporate office, 95% older than me and only 1 person out of the other 150 know what penny-arcade is) as being THE guy to talk to about games. So I have people talk to me about their 360's PS3's what to buy their kids, "why should I buy this DS instead of a ps2 I mean they are the same price but one can be played on the tv!" As the in-house gamer, i give relatively well-informed and overall good thumbs up to things which I consider good, as such my good opinion influences the minds of the people in my office.
HOWEVER, I do not make these people come talk to me, their kids either ask them to buy them something or they see a commercial for something.
The chain of events goes, Newspaper Article --> Commercial ---> Me
"Hey, I read about halo in the paper and heard its got alot of these midnight release things going on, and now I'm seeing commercials for it. What do you think about it?"
Word of mouth is then spouted from a relatively informed source.
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You are missing my point.
When you, a single person, tell him simply "yeah, that's a bad game", he is not going to say "oh, well, one person told me it was bad, so it's not worth bothering with." Far more likely, he'll see what was so bad about it, and then see it's not as bad as you said, and buy it.
THAT is the whole point of the phrase, etc.
My work here is done!
Meh - this isn't always the case. For example, every time a sonic game is released, I assume that it will be terrible. If someone actually mentions to me that it's terrible, I'll believe them and probably never look into it any more than that.
well, yeah
but that is kind of a different case from "something that the consumer was unfamiliar with"
See, I worked it. I had to put out all our tshirts, buttons, patches, stickers and playing cards out for display. I also bought a bunch of them myself. So, maybe your store didn't have enough preorders to necessitate the extra stuff, but trust me, it was there.
I'll let you in on a little secret though. I hate that little shit, because we sell very little of it, and then it just sits in my store for months cluttering up the place. I hate it, I hate it, I hate it. But you can hardly blame gamestop for the state of merchandising. I bet that Best Buy will be carrying that same shit.
Fine, then explain to me the good point of Sony being outed as making a website that claimed to be a teenagers website about how much he wants a PSP for Christmas, and everyone talking about how it was disgraceful and stupid and it made them less attracted to the PSP as a handheld and Sony as a company?
Also, take a cue from 1600. He seems to get this whole "Point-Counter Point" thing.
I never said that "ALL" PR is good PR, that was some one else.
I was just calling you out on your bullshit premises.
Haha, yes. That is what I meant when I said it wasn't always the case - sometimes..the case is different! It is still word of mouth, however.
For instance, we will be selling Halo 3 carrying cases, shirts, miniature weapon replicas and ActionClix.
Some higher volume stores will be carrying stickers, patches, dog tags and some other random stuff.
don't forget the kubricks
as well as the Halo branded controllers and wireless ear pieces
...You defended the "All PR is good PR" stance, though.
Thus, I was refuting that it was not good PR.
You don't argue a side of an argument if you don't agree with it unless you're playing devil's advocate, in which case you make it clear.
This may seem like a cop-out, but as I stated before word of mouth is great when you have a solid product. We have seen it demonstrated time and time again with the ps3 and psp that sony's recent forrays into public relations and marketing have not been the successes that they envisioned.
Word of mouth is a marketing tool, if your marketing department sucks they will not use the tool properly.
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9.99. There is a convenant and a spartan shirt.
So, you're just being nitpicky and pedantic?
No one with half a brain thinks that any and all press is absolutely good, it is just that getting negative press on an item that people were not yet familiar with often has just as much positive side effects as negative ones, if not more.
This is a more interesting argument than the whole word-of-mouth semantics quibble.
You're part of the corporate cog!
We aren't on "teams" here. It's not my fault if you're making assumptions about what my point is.
If you don't have a response to somethign I say, either admit it, or just drop that marticular topic. Trying to pretned that I've broken some kind of imaganinary "discussion rules" just makes you look like a whiny little brat.