I'm not saying that any hype and marketing is evil and bad. I just feel that people should make informed game purchasing decisions based on their own good judgement, not the hype. They should research previews, watch gameplay videos, give the game a rent (since there's no demo), read reviews, and everything else that gamers usually do when a new product comes out.
Said trips through (heavily PR-controlled, really) videogame journalism are no more enlightening than simple, communal anticipation -- Bungie has an excellent track record, people look forward to Bungie's new release -- and renting in addition to buying is too laborious and costly a process for many.
This is a more interesting argument than the whole word-of-mouth semantics quibble.
Demonstrated by World of Warcraft, a strong development track record can lead to people making moves into genre's they never thought excited them.
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If I said "It's a game where you rape and molest children" you're PROBABLY gonna avoid it, regardless of if it is true or not.
right, because he is just going to believe what you say unquestioningly?
No, he's going to see if you were telling the truth, and then, when he sees you weren't, he might find out that it was a game he would actually like, rather than not caring at all as he would have before hand.
Meh - this isn't always the case. For example, every time a sonic game is released, I assume that it will be terrible. If someone actually mentions to me that it's terrible, I'll believe them and probably never look into it any more than that.
well, yeah
but that is kind of a different case from "something that the consumer was unfamiliar with"
Haha, yes. That is what I meant when I said it wasn't always the case - sometimes..the case is different! It is still word of mouth, however.
So, you're just being nitpicky and pedantic?
No one with half a brain thinks that any and all press is absolutely good, it is just that getting negative press on an item that people were not yet familiar with often has just as much positive side effects as negative ones, if not more.
Well dang, I thought that is what y'all were arguing at! That is, "all word of mouth being good". So I offered a counter-example. So I guess you are arguing that negative press is often neutral or good press?
Well. That is slightly different I suppose. I guess there is the scenario you outlined, where the person basically doesn't believe the bad press and investigates it themselves, and another scenario where the bad press is credible or believable enough that the person does believe it and doesn't support the product.
I don't think I have the market research to know which of these happens more often.
Its funny, for all the preordering bullshit that goes on with EB and Game (aus stores), I guarantee ill be able to walk into JBhifi or Big W and just grab one of the thousands upon thousands of copies they'll have.
Another point I'd like to make about the midnight sale-o-rama's.
For small stores like gamestop its worth the extra 75 dollars in payroll to open the store at midnight and move already sold product out of the shop before normal hours.
If you're a local gamestop, would you rather have your regular customers mixed in with the halomaniacs during the day? or would you rather have the 500 (made up number) or so people OUT OF YOUR STORE within an hour.
The halo people are there to BUY halo, everyone else is there to buy something else, if you walk into a gamestop and there's 30 people in line and the place is crowded to all hell its really not a tough decision to get back in your car and drive down to target or best buy.
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If I said "It's a game where you rape and molest children" you're PROBABLY gonna avoid it, regardless of if it is true or not.
right, because he is just going to believe what you say unquestioningly?
No, he's going to see if you were telling the truth, and then, when he sees you weren't, he might find out that it was a game he would actually like, rather than not caring at all as he would have before hand.
Meh - this isn't always the case. For example, every time a sonic game is released, I assume that it will be terrible. If someone actually mentions to me that it's terrible, I'll believe them and probably never look into it any more than that.
well, yeah
but that is kind of a different case from "something that the consumer was unfamiliar with"
Haha, yes. That is what I meant when I said it wasn't always the case - sometimes..the case is different! It is still word of mouth, however.
So, you're just being nitpicky and pedantic?
No one with half a brain thinks that any and all press is absolutely good, it is just that getting negative press on an item that people were not yet familiar with often has just as much positive side effects as negative ones, if not more.
Well dang, I thought that is what y'all were arguing at! That is, "all word of mouth being good". So I offered a counter-example. So I guess you are arguing that negative press is often neutral or good press?
Well. That is slightly different I suppose. I guess there is the scenario you outlined, where the person basically doesn't believe the bad press and investigates it themselves, and another scenario where the bad press is credible or believable enough that the person does believe it and doesn't support the product.
I don't think I have the market research to know which of these happens more often.
The entire concept is that hearing a bit of negative press about something that some one was previously unaware of causes some one to become aware of the product. That is a potential sale, where there was previously no chance.
Taking a saying literally, and then showing a possible acception to that literal interpretation doesn't prove ANYTHING.
I mean, hey, if I watch a pot, it still boils, and sometimes every egg hatches, so if you count your chickesns before hand it's okay, etc.
I think the entire point was that one person(at this point I don't care to figure out which) is complaining about the Hype and extreme press and huge event for Halo.
The other is saying that even by talking negatively about the game, he is adding to the very hype he so despises, because any intelligent human being is not going to take the word of just one individual, therefore when they hear something bad about a product, they will research it or talk about it with their friends, thus creating more hype. Good or bad, it still feeds the very thing he claims to not like.
To tell me about the midnight opening for Halo 3. It said I had to get there at NINE PM in order to get a copy at midnight. I have to work that night anyway, but it's not worth it to me to go chill at Gamestop for THREE HOURS just go get Halo 3 at midnight. I mean, I CAN just go pick up my pre-order on Tuesday during the day, right? That's all I want to know.
I thought the call that people were getting was to make sure they got to Gamestop before 9pm and paid off their pre-order before they closed so that it'd make the process much easier.
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7-11 will have copies of halo 3, I assure you they will not be THE PLACE TO BE, to get it.
Places like gamestop have to plan for high demand game sales to alleviate customer volume which could effect their overall store sales. 7-11 doesn't, they just want to attract a few people to pick up some extra icee's and beet.
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A bit more seriously, if the shirt's cool, I'll get one. I don't have any Halo shirts.
I'm going to GameStop because I want the overpriced Über-whore edition and I have a feeling it might be hard to get elsewhere. I could probably land one if I really wanted to, but if I get it at GameStop I am guaranteed a copy and I can go pick it up the night of. Easier on everybody.
I only really pre-order Limited Edition (read: Gullible Editions), since not every place carries them and they can be a bit hard to find sometimes. For a regular edition I have no problem with just walking into Wal-Mart/Best Buy/Circuit City/Target/GameStop and asking for one.
Lastly, FOR THE RECORD : I only got one phone call. Although they did call me last weekend about trades being worth an extra 30% towards Halo 3 preorders, which annoyed me slightly.
To tell me about the midnight opening for Halo 3. It said I had to get there at NINE PM in order to get a copy at midnight. I have to work that night anyway, but it's not worth it to me to go chill at Gamestop for THREE HOURS just go get Halo 3 at midnight. I mean, I CAN just go pick up my pre-order on Tuesday during the day, right? That's all I want to know.
I thought the call that people were getting was to make sure they got to Gamestop before 9pm and paid off their pre-order before they closed so that it'd make the process much easier.
Actually the stores aren't closing at all. But yeah, that's one of the reasons they chose nine o'clock. That way people can pay for the game before midnight and once midnight rolls around everything runs super smooth.
I told my co-workers aboutthis thread, and they thought it was pretty hilarious.
Also, as far as the statement "no one will forget they pre-ordered", I have proof of bullshit:
Yesterday morning, a lady walks in to the store, a little worried, telling us she really needs to pre-order a copy of Halo, because she has forgotten to, and her husband REALLY wants it at launch.
Well, we go in to the system, and low and behold, she actually already pre-ordered back in March, in full, and it had simply slipped her mind.
stop your bitching!, so what if gamestop called you twice, it takes you 2 seconds to hang up.
you only complain because you got everything for you, try being in another country where you only get games once they have already been past the hype wagon and been spoiler'd alredy for you.
case in point i JUST got bioshock here in korea...
like a freakin phone call takes SO much time out of your day.
I don't know about every gamestop but the one where I preordered is wanting everyone to be there at 9:30 or so if you can make it simply because of the extras their providing. Going to have giveaways, contest, free food and drink - can't beat that just for going to a store to pickup a game. Oh yeah and something about some Navy Seals stopping by to show off some equipment and other geeky stuff like that.
edit: and for the 9,000 clarification - you DONT HAVE TO BE THERE AT 9PM - in fact you don't even have to show up at all, come in on tuesday and you'll still get your preorder. The store I preordered at has all the preorder demands met and then some - and that's on all editions of the game.
We've been telling all of our people to not come in until 10p, mainly just because that's when the band's starting up. It mainly depends on how they're going about preringing and such, I guess.
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stop your bitching!, so what if gamestop called you twice, it takes you 2 seconds to hang up.
you only complain because you got everything for you, try being in another country where you only get games once they have already been past the hype wagon and been spoiler'd alredy for you.
case in point i JUST got bioshock here in korea...
like a freakin phone call takes SO much time out of your day.
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Well dang, I thought that is what y'all were arguing at! That is, "all word of mouth being good". So I offered a counter-example. So I guess you are arguing that negative press is often neutral or good press?
Well. That is slightly different I suppose. I guess there is the scenario you outlined, where the person basically doesn't believe the bad press and investigates it themselves, and another scenario where the bad press is credible or believable enough that the person does believe it and doesn't support the product.
I don't think I have the market research to know which of these happens more often.
For small stores like gamestop its worth the extra 75 dollars in payroll to open the store at midnight and move already sold product out of the shop before normal hours.
If you're a local gamestop, would you rather have your regular customers mixed in with the halomaniacs during the day? or would you rather have the 500 (made up number) or so people OUT OF YOUR STORE within an hour.
The halo people are there to BUY halo, everyone else is there to buy something else, if you walk into a gamestop and there's 30 people in line and the place is crowded to all hell its really not a tough decision to get back in your car and drive down to target or best buy.
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The entire concept is that hearing a bit of negative press about something that some one was previously unaware of causes some one to become aware of the product. That is a potential sale, where there was previously no chance.
Taking a saying literally, and then showing a possible acception to that literal interpretation doesn't prove ANYTHING.
I mean, hey, if I watch a pot, it still boils, and sometimes every egg hatches, so if you count your chickesns before hand it's okay, etc.
The other is saying that even by talking negatively about the game, he is adding to the very hype he so despises, because any intelligent human being is not going to take the word of just one individual, therefore when they hear something bad about a product, they will research it or talk about it with their friends, thus creating more hype. Good or bad, it still feeds the very thing he claims to not like.
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Im not even a huge Halo fan, but the Spartan one is actually fairly tempting to get.
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I thought the call that people were getting was to make sure they got to Gamestop before 9pm and paid off their pre-order before they closed so that it'd make the process much easier.
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
What does this even mean
The calling, the midnight release thing, the media blitz.
This game will be EVERYWHERE.
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
So Gamestop shouldn't try to get people to buy it there?
Places like gamestop have to plan for high demand game sales to alleviate customer volume which could effect their overall store sales. 7-11 doesn't, they just want to attract a few people to pick up some extra icee's and beet.
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A bit more seriously, if the shirt's cool, I'll get one. I don't have any Halo shirts.
I'm going to GameStop because I want the overpriced Über-whore edition and I have a feeling it might be hard to get elsewhere. I could probably land one if I really wanted to, but if I get it at GameStop I am guaranteed a copy and I can go pick it up the night of. Easier on everybody.
I only really pre-order Limited Edition (read: Gullible Editions), since not every place carries them and they can be a bit hard to find sometimes. For a regular edition I have no problem with just walking into Wal-Mart/Best Buy/Circuit City/Target/GameStop and asking for one.
Lastly, FOR THE RECORD : I only got one phone call. Although they did call me last weekend about trades being worth an extra 30% towards Halo 3 preorders, which annoyed me slightly.
Actually the stores aren't closing at all. But yeah, that's one of the reasons they chose nine o'clock. That way people can pay for the game before midnight and once midnight rolls around everything runs super smooth.
No, as long as you preordered they should have your copy. Like I said earlier, the call system is pretty wonky.
Also, as far as the statement "no one will forget they pre-ordered", I have proof of bullshit:
Yesterday morning, a lady walks in to the store, a little worried, telling us she really needs to pre-order a copy of Halo, because she has forgotten to, and her husband REALLY wants it at launch.
Well, we go in to the system, and low and behold, she actually already pre-ordered back in March, in full, and it had simply slipped her mind.
People DO forget things.
you only complain because you got everything for you, try being in another country where you only get games once they have already been past the hype wagon and been spoiler'd alredy for you.
case in point i JUST got bioshock here in korea...
like a freakin phone call takes SO much time out of your day.
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edit: and for the 9,000 clarification - you DONT HAVE TO BE THERE AT 9PM - in fact you don't even have to show up at all, come in on tuesday and you'll still get your preorder. The store I preordered at has all the preorder demands met and then some - and that's on all editions of the game.
We can choose where we live.
We can't choose if GameStop calls us or not.
We've had Bioshock over here for a while now.