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Wii not 2 gamecubes?
Mr_Grinch
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No, indeed, it's 1.5 Gamecubes. Apparently.
http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/levelup/archive/2007/09/24/is-wii-really-gamecube-one-point-five-yes-says-beyond3d.aspx
It's very much an anti-Wii article, and I personally love my little white box but I thought it might be interesting to share.
With the extra "gimmicks" if you will, that Nintendo is bringing out, I can see the little machine still being viable at the end of the decade (this article seems to hint that it'll be dead and buried very soon).
Please keep discussion...nice.
(And if this has been posted before, then lock the thread but I couldn't find anything, largely because "wii" it too short to search for)
http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/levelup/archive/2007/09/24/is-wii-really-gamecube-one-point-five-yes-says-beyond3d.aspx
It's very much an anti-Wii article, and I personally love my little white box but I thought it might be interesting to share.
With the extra "gimmicks" if you will, that Nintendo is bringing out, I can see the little machine still being viable at the end of the decade (this article seems to hint that it'll be dead and buried very soon).
Please keep discussion...nice.
(And if this has been posted before, then lock the thread but I couldn't find anything, largely because "wii" it too short to search for)
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Even then it's not a drastic jump but oh well, games are still fun as hell.
Sure it's shit it's basically last gen, but thats common knowledge now. And to be honest in a way I'm rather glad of it as it will force developers to explore art styles and ideas, rather than the previous themes at a higher rez. Like how Project-O and the Vanillaware game are.
Talking of which, like the DS, it's low power encourages the use of 2D - which always pleases me.
Of course I would prefer a more powerful Wii, but if it cost the same as the 360 let alone the PS3 I wouldn't have bought one yet, and so for that I'm thankful.
I've always wondered what would have happened if 'this gen' didn't happen and we had the PS2/Xbox/Gamecube for another 5 years. I think the amount of innovation, and interesting games that would have been forced to have been developed would far outweigh the games produced due to the PS3/360s speed bump.
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Except you miss out on better graphics, better AI, more enemies in play, vastly improved physics and all the other joys that better hardware brings.
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Noone said anything about avoiding next-gen systems, but rather the Wii is a way to threaten developers (even of other consoles) to think more creatively when developing games.
And second, all those things you say better hardware brings are few and far between from what I've played on the 360. They're there all right, but it's a vast, unfortunate minority.
Biggest myth there is. Games with good programming have good AI, games with shitty programming have shitty AI.
Until Halo 3 came out, The only game that came close to Halo 2's enemy AI was FEAR.
Uh, yes they do. They may look serviceable or even good but compared to this gen they look terribly dated. Compare say the original Halo to number 3 or Gears of War to pretty much any xbox game, Sand Andreas to Saints Row etc.
I don't think Nintendo has ever claimed the Wii is meant to compete in power. They made it very clear that the Wii was about fun, with less focus on poly counts and realism.
Now that Nintendo is swimming in cash, and developers have faith in them again, the next Nintendo console may very well have the kind of power developers are calling for.
Carry on.
Considering how quick tech drops in price, we'll easily have a Wii2 on equal level with the 360 or PS3 graphics-wise.
Honestly the Wii's specs are a little low for comfort, I'd say. But that won't really hurt it in the long run. As long as the games are fun, the system's doing its job. Plus while we technical-oriented folk go on and on about visuals, much of the mass market don't really care. If it was an issue, the system wouldn't have sold as much, especially considering all the lazy-ass ports that have come out for it.
Edit: I don't think the Wii will be affected by price drops for the 360 and PS3, because... drum roll... the Wii will drop in price too. Duh.
Er, more enemies in play and better graphics don't make a game BETTER, and better physics and AI aren't necessarily limited to the hardware.
Hell, the jet-pack pirates in Metroid Prime 1 would never THINK to land and attack me if I dart beneath something they can't hit. Nor would they think to lob a grenade if I duck behind a wall.
Seems like better AI to me.
Definitely. And I think we're reaching a point of diminishing returns with system power. We're already close to photorealistic.
After a while developers will say "ok, that's enough polys" and focus more on the other elements of the game. I think that's already starting to happen. The next generation will be compared to this one power-wise, but what about the one after that?
The only big disappointment with the Wii I had was the absence of a hard drive. Having a hard drive cache available really helps open up larger environments. It's not a deal breaker or anything, but it would have been nice.
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Two GameCubes duct-taped together can play two GameCube games at once on two different TVs with up to 8 players playing simultaneously, and you have some duct tape in case of an emergency where you need to tape stuff together.
The Wii can only play one GameCube game at once, with up to only 4 players, and no tape. Pshaw.
When I enjoy high-tech, my wallet is more of the "buy cheap" type and I think the majority of the population is also of this notion. So whether or not it's a gamecube with motion controls or 1.5, or 2.0, or whatever, so long as it's cheap it will sell.
Even if 360 and PS3 implemented a motion control scheme (for the PS3, outside of the sixaxis controller) it would still be an add-on accessory that would require people to own it, where anyone who owns a Wii has the control scheme right there. If it's not included, it just won't do as well. Not everyone wants to buy 10 accessories just to play a game. (DDR and GH are exceptions to this rule)
But yet the Wii is arguably the console which has used physics in the most interesting, unusual and new ways what with the gravity mechanic at the center of Super Mario: Galaxy, and the Physics play pen that is Eledees 'Free play mode.'
No one is arguing that increased power isn't awesome. But most of the time that power is wasted. Yes the 360 is probably 10x the power of the Wii but it will spend most of it's energy pushing around 1080i pixels to the best of its ability. The audience likes better graphics, the market caters for them. But the Wii effectively cuts that avenue off to developers, which ironically could well free up more resources to explore such ideas as physics.
But regardless, no one is arguing that more power isn't "better." It's just Nintendo and The Others have decided on different price/power ratios.
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Seriously, after playing MP3 I don't know how you people deal with that thing.
I like my Wii, but yeah.. it's pretty poor as far as technical prowess goes.
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It's a very nice spread of information, but I think the dive off at the end is really because of perspective. These are hardware tech-spec guys, after all. It's only tech nerds that will base their purchase of tech items on a spreadsheet of specs ... lest we forget CmdrTaco's classic dismissal of the iPod. And this is the problem:
No one's contesting that there's a technological divide between Wii and 360/PS3. The thing is that most of its proponents don't see that as a deterrent. Honestly, I love the fact that the Wii broke off from the tech-spec pissing contest and decided to branch off and do its own thing, because it makes owning more than one console interesting again. The article seems to be taking the car-enthusiast gearhead approach to it: "Games are games, there needs to be a quantifiable better and worse way to play these things." Which, to me, is akin to saying that films in color are better than black-and-white films, or hamburgers are factually tastier than French fries.
Tons of people love the dual-analog controls in Halo 2. Others like KB+M in Counterstrike. And a third section also love the Wiimote controls in MP3. There is no objectively "preferable" control setup in that list, because it all depends on the fucking player.
Really? Fucking hell, thats a step back! Stupid on-line. I want to play games with people in the same room as me, this has been standard for generations. Could we keep it please!?
Grrr.
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Exactly, this is the first gen where different consoles have been released. The PS2/Xbox/GC were to all intents and purposes identical. Only idiotic gamers (and Blu-ray/HD adopters) find multiple devices that produce exactly the same output in anyway acceptable.
I think it's thrilling that this gen TWO consoles have been released. This has never happened before.
Master System/NES
SNES/Mega Drive
PS1/Saturn/N64
PS2/Xbox/GC
They've all been nothing but arbitrary means to seperate a catalogue of games. (excluding Xbox Live).
Now with the Wii and the PS360. We've finally got a reason for their to be multiple consoles, thats awesome and to be celebrated. Not only that but downloadable games have allowed old genres to blossom. 2D GAMES ARE RETURNING WE ARE IN A GOLDEN AGE.
The worst possible outcome of this gen is that the 360 and PS3 adopt the Wii's way of doing things (or the Wii2 tries to remain in both camps ). That just loses us options.
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Or people who like Halo and Metal Gear. Or Blue Dragon and Final Fantasy. There might be a few of them.
Try misunderstanding me some more.
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2009 is a year of Updates - one every Monday. Hopefully. xx
You're kind of missing the point though. While those games are on two separate consoles, there's really no reason they should be. Lave is arguing that in the past gamers have basically had to buy two or three consoles that all do the exact same thing just to play the games they want to play.
The wii actually provides an experience not found on the other consoles making owning more than one desirable rather than annoying.
If we're just talking standard def - I wouldn't be surprised if we see Wii games that approach its next gen rivals. Backgrounds 1.5x better than Beyond Good & Evil or Starfox Adventures would be amazing. Space battles 1.5x more grand than Rogue Squadran would be insane. Heck, the models in the new Smash Bros games are well beyond 1.5x more detailed than the Cube version.
It will be a nonissue for standard defination TV owners once developers have time to catch up a bit more.