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People who kill for Jesus are pretty creepy. In general I mean. Mostly because Jesus didn't tell anyone to go around killing people.
Muhammed and Arab culture would beg to differ.
So you're saying Jesus told Mohammed and the Arabs to go around killing people... interesting. I bet this is gonna kill the whole Jews for jesus movement then.
Personally though I'd Kill to protect my family, Property and myself. Which is why i kill Hobo's several towns over constantly. I fight em over there so i dont have to fight them at 2am breaking into my house.
Hell, I'll kill a man in a fair fight, or if I think he's gonna start a fair fight, or if he bothers me, or if there's a woman, or if I'm gettin paid. Mostly only when I'm gettin paid.
So, question for all. If you got billion dollars for putting a bullet in the head of, lets say Osama Bin Laden, would you do it?
No reprecussions or anything. One billion dollars. You could do whatever you want with it. It's just your choice and you have to fire the gun yourself.
I admit, I have pretty flexible morals in some things, and probably wouldn't have any hesitation in such a situation. It'd be considerably harder for me to hit a woman for the same money. I'd do it, but I'd feel worse over that, than shooting Osama. O_o Messed up quasi-chivalry FTW!
People who kill for Jesus are pretty creepy. In general I mean. Mostly because Jesus didn't tell anyone to go around killing people.
Muhammed and Arab culture would beg to differ.
So you're saying Jesus told Mohammed and the Arabs to go around killing people... interesting. I bet this is gonna kill the whole Jews for jesus movement then.
Personally though I'd Kill to protect my family, Property and myself. Which is why i kill Hobo's several towns over constantly. I fight em over there so i dont have to fight them at 2am breaking into my house.
No, I am just saying that people have killed for Mohammed and people have also killed for Jesus/God. Pretty much any religion, people have killed in the name for their god/deity/pet.
I personal would kill for the chance to rule my own Empire, my way. I am pretty sure it would be better then anything we have currently.
No, I am just saying that people have killed for Mohammed and people have also killed for Jesus/God. Pretty much any religion, people have killed in the name for their god/deity/pet.
So confusing the pope with Jesus, then. Isn't that some kind of sin?
No, I am just saying that people have killed for Mohammed and people have also killed for Jesus/God. Pretty much any religion, people have killed in the name for their god/deity/pet.
So confusing the pope with Jesus, then. Isn't that some kind of sin?
I am Catholic, I am allowed to talk bad about the holy one.
No, I am just saying that people have killed for Mohammed and people have also killed for Jesus/God. Pretty much any religion, people have killed in the name for their god/deity/pet.
So confusing the pope with Jesus, then. Isn't that some kind of sin?
I am Catholic, I am allowed to talk bad about the holy one.
I'm no longer Catholic, I'm allowed to say whatever I want about Pope Hitleryouth, Jesus and God himself, because none of them can do anything about it since they're all either imaginary or feeble.
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In no particular order, I would kill for:
1) My girlfriends safety
2) My families safety
3) My own safety
4) My closest friends safety
5) A really, REALLY nice car, and free gas for it.
6) The chance to be cryogenically frozen for fifty years so that I can come back in the future where everything is peaceful and be a total badass and do battle with Wesley Snipes, and hook up with Sandra Bullock by having cybersex. (This will also include getting the really, really nice car, so it's kind of a two-fer)
So, question for all. If you got billion dollars for putting a bullet in the head of, lets say Osama Bin Laden, would you do it?
No reprecussions or anything. One billion dollars. You could do whatever you want with it. It's just your choice and you have to fire the gun yourself.
I'd kill you for a billion dollars. Does that answer your question?
Hell, I might just kill you for like a quarter of that.
For a billion, I'd not even need the whole "no repercussions" thing. I'd just put the planning in and not get caught. Talking about you again, of course.
Hell, like Tube said I could probably count the people I wouldn't kill for a billion dollars on two hands. Maybe one.
amen... a billion dollars buys a lot of televangelist redemption..... and you've still got enough left over for the pool with the hookers and blackjack table.
I must place a lower value on wealth than a lot of people here. I wouldn't, to put a realistic spin on it, murder my never-seen distant uncle for his billion dollar inheritance. I'm fairly surprised at the number of people who would. I mean, screw it, it's just money.
Not money or power, they are things I have no interest in.
I would kill in defense of other people, and probably what I considered a noble cause as well ("freedom fighter" sorta deal. I wouldn't like it at first, but I bet people or necessity would convince me that it was needed)
So, question for all. If you got billion dollars for putting a bullet in the head of, lets say Osama Bin Laden, would you do it?
No reprecussions or anything. One billion dollars. You could do whatever you want with it. It's just your choice and you have to fire the gun yourself.
If there are no repercussions, I wouldn't do it. The repercussions would be the only way I could justify it. I'd have to weigh the benefits of depriving AQ of a leader against the dangers of making a martyr out of him.
If I did it, I don't know if I could keep the money; I do know I couldn't let it be a factor in my decision. I know everyone will make fun of me for saying that. Whatever; if you can be bought out of your morals for a billion dollars, your morals aren't worth too much. If you're ever in a position when your morals can change the world in a big way, the people who don't want it changed will always be able to afford to make a billionaire out of you.
If I'm lucky I'll kill people when my misguided experiment goes awry. That way I can shout "Nooooo I meant no harm! I MEANT NO HAAAAARM!" like I've always wanted to.
Edit: Alternately "What have I wrought? What have I wrought?"
So, question for all. If you got billion dollars for putting a bullet in the head of, lets say Osama Bin Laden, would you do it?
No reprecussions or anything. One billion dollars. You could do whatever you want with it. It's just your choice and you have to fire the gun yourself.
If there are no repercussions, I wouldn't do it. The repercussions would be the only way I could justify it. I'd have to weigh the benefits of depriving AQ of a leader against the dangers of making a martyr out of him.
If I did it, I don't know if I could keep the money; I do know I couldn't let it be a factor in my decision. I know everyone will make fun of me for saying that. Whatever; if you can be bought out of your morals for a billion dollars, your morals aren't worth too much. If you're ever in a position when your morals can change the world in a big way, the people who don't want it changed will always be able to afford to make a billionaire out of you.
One of my morals is that I could use a billion dollars for killing a guy I think doesn't deserve to live.
But you wouldn't kill him if it weren't for the money?
I guess I'd do it for free, yes. But I'd take the billion if it was offered. I have morals, values, and such, yadda yadda yadda, but seriously, after 24 years of co-existing with people, I've become so cynical and jaded that I'd gladly give up all my morals for a billion. I know I shouldn't, but fuck it, fuck this world, fuck everyone living on it, I just don't care, give me the dough so I can enjoy life (I guess it helps that I don't believe in any form of afterlife).
If you'd do it for free, then killing him doesn't conflict with your morals in the first place. It's as if I asked you, "If I offered you a billion dollars, no strings, would you take it?"
EDIT: If you're telling me you'd give up all your morals for a billion dollars, suppose that instead of Osama it's Nelson Mandela. Kill him and take the money?
If you'd do it for free, then killing him doesn't conflict with your morals in the first place. It's as if I asked you, "If I offered you a billion dollars, no strings, would you take it?"
Fair enough.
But I think there are things I am morally opposed to that I'd do for a billion.
I wouldn't ever kill someone who doesn't deserve death for a billion, but there ARE things I'd do for such a sum.
EDIT: Seen your edit, it seems I went too far in my earlier post. I don't think I'd give up ALL my morals for a billion. I'd give up some of them.
It would probably be simple to think of a few situations where the benefit offered for the death of one would save more than one life.
But at a gut sentimental level I sometimes have difficulty killing even insects, so there is some question whether the will power would be strong enough to drive my actions along the path of my reasoning.
Are we talking "hitmen" now? Because that I can get behind. I mean honestly if you set a couple ground rules about targets you can keep that pretty tolerable and rationalize it real well.
Are we talking "hitmen" now? Because that I can get behind. I mean honestly if you set a couple ground rules about targets you can keep that pretty tolerable and rationalize it real well.
Seriously. With NO consequences or repercussions, there are a few people I'd not mind getting rid of.
Then again, just earlier in this thread, I said I'd only kill for self-defense.
Are we talking "hitmen" now? Because that I can get behind. I mean honestly if you set a couple ground rules about targets you can keep that pretty tolerable and rationalize it real well.
Seriously. With NO consequences or repercussions, there are a few people I'd not mind getting rid of.
Then again, just earlier in this thread, I said I'd only kill for self-defense.
Are we talking "hitmen" now? Because that I can get behind. I mean honestly if you set a couple ground rules about targets you can keep that pretty tolerable and rationalize it real well.
Whatever; if you can be bought out of your morals for a billion dollars, your morals aren't worth too much.
My morals are worth a billion fucking dollars. There are two types of people in this world, people who admit they would sacrifice their moral principles for a billion dollars and people who don't.
Although to be honest I was thinking about an English billion pounds. Which is a fucking stupid amount of money. That's a million million pounds.
I would take payment in pounds. I can very easily make myself a consultant to justify so many currency-exchanges. It would also explain the plane tickets.
Whatever; if you can be bought out of your morals for a billion dollars, your morals aren't worth too much.
My morals are worth a billion fucking dollars. There are two types of people in this world, people who admit they would sacrifice their moral principles for a billion dollars and people who don't.
I stand by what I said: there are people who can afford to pay you that to betray your cause, whatever it is. If your cause is worthwile, if it could bring about real change, someone will offer you that much to crush it. Or they'll offer it to someone in your cause whose betrayal really would crush it. I don't think this is such an abstract hypothetical discussion.
If morals are supposed to help people - and I think they are - then every now and then helping people might just require us to say no to stupid amounts of money. Sorry.
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Whatever; if you can be bought out of your morals for a billion dollars, your morals aren't worth too much.
My morals are worth a billion fucking dollars. There are two types of people in this world, people who admit they would sacrifice their moral principles for a billion dollars and people who don't (admit that).
Just to clarify the point of Tube's post, there are some stupid people here who might not understand what he's saying and thus destroy the simple beauty of that statement.
I stand by what I said: there are people who can afford to pay you that to betray your cause, whatever it is. If your cause is worthwile, if it could bring about real change, someone will offer you that much to crush it. Or they'll offer it to someone in your cause whose betrayal really would crush it. I don't think this is such an abstract hypothetical discussion.
If morals are supposed to help people - and I think they are - then every now and then helping people might just require us to say no to stupid amounts of money. Sorry.
It's really kind of a question of what you can do more good with - sticking with your cause or putting one billion dollars behind something else.
Whatever; if you can be bought out of your morals for a billion dollars, your morals aren't worth too much.
My morals are worth a billion fucking dollars. There are two types of people in this world, people who admit they would sacrifice their moral principles for a billion dollars and people who don't.
It's irritating when people are unable to grasp that others might have different values than they do. I don't want a long billion pounds. You're right, that's a fucking stupid amount of money. 1/25 of the gross world product? No fucking thank you. I also wouldn't accept dictatorship of a nation, no matter how many gold-plated whores I could buy.
Even if we're talking a short billion, my morals already take into account what's best for me, thanks very much. Becoming super-rich would be awesome, but it would only improve my life so far. I don't hold it as the most important thing in my life.
I stand by what I said: there are people who can afford to pay you that to betray your cause, whatever it is. If your cause is worthwile, if it could bring about real change, someone will offer you that much to crush it. Or they'll offer it to someone in your cause whose betrayal really would crush it. I don't think this is such an abstract hypothetical discussion.
If morals are supposed to help people - and I think they are - then every now and then helping people might just require us to say no to stupid amounts of money. Sorry.
It's really kind of a question of what you can do more good with - sticking with your cause or putting one billion dollars behind something else.
Yeah, that's a different matter than simply buying out your ethics. Then it's just a question of weighing up the benefits.
Whatever; if you can be bought out of your morals for a billion dollars, your morals aren't worth too much.
My morals are worth a billion fucking dollars. There are two types of people in this world, people who admit they would sacrifice their moral principles for a billion dollars and people who don't.
It's irritating when people are unable to grasp that others might have different values than they do. I don't want a long billion pounds. You're right, that's a fucking stupid amount of money. 1/25 of the gross world product? No fucking thank you. I also wouldn't accept dictatorship of a nation, no matter how many gold-plated whores I could buy.
Even if we're talking a short billion, my morals already take into account what's best for me, thanks very much. Becoming super-rich would be awesome, but it would only improve my life so far.
It's also irritating to have people (not you) put us down because we'd take the money, as if it was a WRONG thing to do.
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So you're saying Jesus told Mohammed and the Arabs to go around killing people... interesting. I bet this is gonna kill the whole Jews for jesus movement then.
Personally though I'd Kill to protect my family, Property and myself. Which is why i kill Hobo's several towns over constantly. I fight em over there so i dont have to fight them at 2am breaking into my house.
Ahhahahah! *sniff* Gotta love Jayne.
I admit, I have pretty flexible morals in some things, and probably wouldn't have any hesitation in such a situation. It'd be considerably harder for me to hit a woman for the same money. I'd do it, but I'd feel worse over that, than shooting Osama. O_o Messed up quasi-chivalry FTW!
Are you saying what Snarf says you are or are you confusing the pope with Jesus?
No, I am just saying that people have killed for Mohammed and people have also killed for Jesus/God. Pretty much any religion, people have killed in the name for their god/deity/pet.
I personal would kill for the chance to rule my own Empire, my way. I am pretty sure it would be better then anything we have currently.
So confusing the pope with Jesus, then. Isn't that some kind of sin?
I am Catholic, I am allowed to talk bad about the holy one.
I'm no longer Catholic, I'm allowed to say whatever I want about Pope Hitleryouth, Jesus and God himself, because none of them can do anything about it since they're all either imaginary or feeble.
1) My girlfriends safety
2) My families safety
3) My own safety
4) My closest friends safety
5) A really, REALLY nice car, and free gas for it.
6) The chance to be cryogenically frozen for fifty years so that I can come back in the future where everything is peaceful and be a total badass and do battle with Wesley Snipes, and hook up with Sandra Bullock by having cybersex. (This will also include getting the really, really nice car, so it's kind of a two-fer)
amen... a billion dollars buys a lot of televangelist redemption..... and you've still got enough left over for the pool with the hookers and blackjack table.
~Benjamin Franklin
maybe aesthetics in the guises of some noble purpose.
I don't think money or power. Probably not to protect something; I'm pretty much a coward.
I would kill in defense of other people, and probably what I considered a noble cause as well ("freedom fighter" sorta deal. I wouldn't like it at first, but I bet people or necessity would convince me that it was needed)
If I did it, I don't know if I could keep the money; I do know I couldn't let it be a factor in my decision. I know everyone will make fun of me for saying that. Whatever; if you can be bought out of your morals for a billion dollars, your morals aren't worth too much. If you're ever in a position when your morals can change the world in a big way, the people who don't want it changed will always be able to afford to make a billionaire out of you.
Edit: Alternately "What have I wrought? What have I wrought?"
One of my morals is that I could use a billion dollars for killing a guy I think doesn't deserve to live.
I guess I'd do it for free, yes. But I'd take the billion if it was offered. I have morals, values, and such, yadda yadda yadda, but seriously, after 24 years of co-existing with people, I've become so cynical and jaded that I'd gladly give up all my morals for a billion. I know I shouldn't, but fuck it, fuck this world, fuck everyone living on it, I just don't care, give me the dough so I can enjoy life (I guess it helps that I don't believe in any form of afterlife).
EDIT: If you're telling me you'd give up all your morals for a billion dollars, suppose that instead of Osama it's Nelson Mandela. Kill him and take the money?
Fair enough.
But I think there are things I am morally opposed to that I'd do for a billion.
I wouldn't ever kill someone who doesn't deserve death for a billion, but there ARE things I'd do for such a sum.
EDIT: Seen your edit, it seems I went too far in my earlier post. I don't think I'd give up ALL my morals for a billion. I'd give up some of them.
But at a gut sentimental level I sometimes have difficulty killing even insects, so there is some question whether the will power would be strong enough to drive my actions along the path of my reasoning.
Seriously. With NO consequences or repercussions, there are a few people I'd not mind getting rid of.
Then again, just earlier in this thread, I said I'd only kill for self-defense.
ARGH, MY BRAIN HURTS!
What should I do?
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L Ron Hubbard has been dead for many, many years.
My morals are worth a billion fucking dollars. There are two types of people in this world, people who admit they would sacrifice their moral principles for a billion dollars and people who don't.
I would take payment in pounds. I can very easily make myself a consultant to justify so many currency-exchanges. It would also explain the plane tickets.
If morals are supposed to help people - and I think they are - then every now and then helping people might just require us to say no to stupid amounts of money. Sorry.
Just to clarify the point of Tube's post, there are some stupid people here who might not understand what he's saying and thus destroy the simple beauty of that statement.
Christ, that's like two billion in real money.
It's really kind of a question of what you can do more good with - sticking with your cause or putting one billion dollars behind something else.
It's irritating when people are unable to grasp that others might have different values than they do. I don't want a long billion pounds. You're right, that's a fucking stupid amount of money. 1/25 of the gross world product? No fucking thank you. I also wouldn't accept dictatorship of a nation, no matter how many gold-plated whores I could buy.
Even if we're talking a short billion, my morals already take into account what's best for me, thanks very much. Becoming super-rich would be awesome, but it would only improve my life so far. I don't hold it as the most important thing in my life.
No it isn't, it's about two thousand billion U.S. dollars. 10^12 rather than 10^9.
Yeah, that's a different matter than simply buying out your ethics. Then it's just a question of weighing up the benefits.
It's also irritating to have people (not you) put us down because we'd take the money, as if it was a WRONG thing to do.
It's two million million dollars. America adds up billions funny, a billion for you is a hundred million, for us it's a million million. I think.