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    ShinyoShinyo Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    I believe my parents are stealing money from my room while I'm away. I keep changing the hiding place (even places outside my room), but I keep losing money.

    It's nothing big, 5-10 dollars at a time. But it's enough to piss me off.

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    evilbobevilbob RADELAIDERegistered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Do you have a little brother?

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    HappylilElfHappylilElf Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    evilbob wrote: »
    Do you have a little brother?

    It's sad and yet another blow to my beliefs but that was my first question as well D:

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    FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    edited September 2007
    I believe in miracles. Do you? Do you? Do you?

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    ShintoShinto __BANNED USERS regular
    edited September 2007
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    I believe in miracles. Do you? Do you? Do you?

    Do you believe in magic in a young girls heart?

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    ShinyoShinyo Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    No brother. I have a little sister, but I've been able to eliminate her as a suspect. Which means it's either my parents, or my dog can somehow open doors and boxes now.

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    FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Shinto wrote: »
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    I believe in miracles. Do you? Do you? Do you?

    Do you believe in magic in a young girls heart?
    I believe I can fly.

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    evilbobevilbob RADELAIDERegistered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Shinyo wrote: »
    No brother. I have a little sister, but I've been able to eliminate her as a suspect. Which means it's either my parents, or my dog can somehow open doors and boxes now.
    Evolution.

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    JohannenJohannen Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Shinto wrote: »
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    I believe in miracles. Do you? Do you? Do you?

    Do you believe in magic in a young girls heart?
    I believe I can fly.

    Do you believe you can touch the sky?

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    JohannenJohannen Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Shinto wrote: »
    _J_ wrote: »
    Shinto wrote: »
    You are correct sir.

    But Internet R Serious business.

    You make an excellent case. This matter must be deliberated upon.

    I believe that it shouldn't be deliberated on.

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    SithDrummerSithDrummer Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Marty81 wrote: »
    That the system of mathematical logic that we use cannot lead to contradiction.
    :^:

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    Low KeyLow Key Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    ArrBeeBee wrote: »
    I disagree with a good deal of that, Feral, but they're significantly less ridiculous than the average set of religious beliefs, so you're probably in the clear on the last one.

    I think it's a fundamental human flaw (I would say flaw, although some people seem to consider it to be a virtue, god knows why) to believe in things without any kind of basis, support, logic or reasoning behind them. I wonder if that's just because the brain is an imperfect machine or what.

    If you strip it back to it's fundamentals, the tendency towards seeing patterns everywhere, to abstracting from next to nothing and to think heuristically instead of logically is one of the best features we've got going for us. Sure it makes the human brain easy to take advantage of, and more than a little bit crazy, but that crazy is world conquering. It's the last, best hope we've got against the inevitable octopus uprising.


    I believe the octopuses want us all dead.

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    SithDrummerSithDrummer Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Veegeezee wrote: »
    Apothe0sis wrote: »
    Marty81 wrote: »
    That the system of mathematical logic that we use cannot lead to contradiction.

    But that's provably false.

    "x. x is false"

    ZING!

    I don't follow, but I'm curious. How's that work?
    The statement "x." assumes that x is true, contradicted by the next line.

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    Apothe0sisApothe0sis Have you ever questioned the nature of your reality? Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Actually, I meant to refer to the liar paradox, and due to a quirk of my most recent encounter with it, I listed it as a statement.

    It's a reference to the format :

    1. Trees grow in the ground.
    2. Grass is green.
    3. I exist
    ...
    x. x is false.

    It's more easily represented as "this statement is false" or as Russell's paradox, but t do the proper mathematical notation the efforts are too great.

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    emnmnmeemnmnme Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    I, too, believe the products on our shelves are not as good as they could be. Everything from pharmaceuticals to blenders are designed to be less than perfect so corporations can make a tad more profit. Competition doesn't make prices drop and products better when all the competitors secretly agree to not cross a line regarding quality.

    I'm also a small believer of a Mad TV skit from years ago - a crazy drunk became the US president and the first thing he did, after making Germany the 53rd state, was infect the seven richest men in America with cancer. Within a week, there were four different cures for cancer. I believe we could wipe out a lot more diseases like malaria or cancer if companies weren't angling for profits at every step of development.

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    JohannenJohannen Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    I believe that we could devise a way to stop aging and live forever. Although it wouldn't be forever as probability incists that something would eventually kill us.

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    ShinyoShinyo Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    emnmnme wrote: »
    I, too, believe the products on our shelves are not as good as they could be. Everything from pharmaceuticals to blenders are designed to be less than perfect so corporations can make a tad more profit. Competition doesn't make prices drop and products better when all the competitors secretly agree to not cross a line regarding quality.

    I'm also a small believer of a Mad TV skit from years ago - a crazy drunk became the US president and the first thing he did, after making Germany the 53rd state, was infect the seven richest men in America with cancer. Within a week, there were four different cures for cancer. I believe we could wipe out a lot more diseases like malaria or cancer if companies weren't angling for profits at every step of development.

    Well said.

    I also believe America could be a much better off and more well-liked country if we abandoned Capitalism. Corporations would probably get fucked too.

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    MrMisterMrMister Jesus dying on the cross in pain? Morally better than us. One has to go "all in".Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    I believe that I'm not a brain in a vat

    (Apologies if that was already taken)

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    SithDrummerSithDrummer Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Apothe0sis wrote: »
    Actually, I meant to refer to the liar paradox, and due to a quirk of my most recent encounter with it, I listed it as a statement.

    It's a reference to the format :

    1. Trees grow in the ground.
    2. Grass is green.
    3. I exist
    ...
    x. x is false.

    It's more easily represented as "this statement is false" or as Russell's paradox, but t do the proper mathematical notation the efforts are too great.
    Ah. I was definitely thinking the period was just separating two portions of an argument.

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    evilbobevilbob RADELAIDERegistered User regular
    edited September 2007
    I believe that I'm justified in my belief that there is no god even though my reasons for doing so have no basis in logic or reason.

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    emnmnmeemnmnme Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    evilbob wrote: »
    I believe that I'm justified in my belief that there is no god even though my reasons for doing so have no basis in logic or reason.

    Some wind blows into person A's eye and he says God touched him.

    God pokes person B in the eye and person B says the wind did it.

    :rotate:

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    VeegeezeeVeegeezee Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Apothe0sis wrote: »
    Actually, I meant to refer to the liar paradox, and due to a quirk of my most recent encounter with it, I listed it as a statement.

    It's a reference to the format :

    1. Trees grow in the ground.
    2. Grass is green.
    3. I exist
    ...
    x. x is false.

    It's more easily represented as "this statement is false" or as Russell's paradox, but t do the proper mathematical notation the efforts are too great.

    ah, I gotcha. Russel's paradox makes a little better sense to me.

    "A is an element of R if and only if A is not an element of A" ---> R = {A | A !Є A}

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    SolandraSolandra Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    My dog is the best dog in the world.

    (absolutely rock solid belief, quantifying against all other dogs in the world would be a pain - but why bother, since I know it's true?)

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    evilbobevilbob RADELAIDERegistered User regular
    edited September 2007
    What breed? If it's not a lab I don't believe you.

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    ElohssaElohssa Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    I believe that certain systems, such as Capitalism, are perfect until they become TOO efficient. When it took hundreds of employees to manage a corporation, the trickle down effect was awesome. When it take 10, not so much (though those 10 overworked freaks sure are smiling during their vacation time.)

    Likewise labor unions, who went from being protectors to thugs, and the military industrial complex that used to employ thousands of labourers, and now employ hundreds of scientists, etc.

    So I believe some aspects of inefficiency are good for the economy, overall.

    Maybe that is provable.

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    Shaw's Principle: Build a system even a fool can use, and only a fool would want to use it.
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    ElohssaElohssa Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    My girlfriend's two box turtles want me dead.

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    Shaw's Principle: Build a system even a fool can use, and only a fool would want to use it.
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    JamesKeenanJamesKeenan Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    I believe in a thing called love. :whistle:

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    SolandraSolandra Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    evilbob wrote: »
    What breed? If it's not a lab I don't believe you.
    He's a Beagle/Lab mix, and got the best genes of both - Beagle sized, looks like a Lab puppy, has the energy of a Lab puppy, and is a very dignified 14 years old.

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    evilbobevilbob RADELAIDERegistered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Solandra wrote: »
    evilbob wrote: »
    What breed? If it's not a lab I don't believe you.
    He's a Beagle/Lab mix, and got the best genes of both - Beagle sized, looks like a Lab puppy, has the energy of a Lab puppy, and is a very dignified 14 years old.
    Well I suppose it's possible then.

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    ShintoShinto __BANNED USERS regular
    edited September 2007
    Johannen wrote: »
    Shinto wrote: »
    _J_ wrote: »
    Shinto wrote: »
    You are correct sir.

    But Internet R Serious business.

    You make an excellent case. This matter must be deliberated upon.

    I believe that it shouldn't be deliberated on.

    Pistols and dawn.

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    MrMisterMrMister Jesus dying on the cross in pain? Morally better than us. One has to go "all in".Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Feral wrote: »
    I believe that despite the overt emphasis on materialism and creature comforts in western culture, there is still a subtle ascetic aspect to popular morality that pushes people towards pointless self-denial.

    I believe that Puritanical attitudes towards sex result in people becoming deeply self-loathing in ways that aren't obviously connected to sex.

    I believe these too.

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    Aroused BullAroused Bull Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Low Key wrote: »
    ArrBeeBee wrote: »
    I disagree with a good deal of that, Feral, but they're significantly less ridiculous than the average set of religious beliefs, so you're probably in the clear on the last one.

    I think it's a fundamental human flaw (I would say flaw, although some people seem to consider it to be a virtue, god knows why) to believe in things without any kind of basis, support, logic or reasoning behind them. I wonder if that's just because the brain is an imperfect machine or what.

    If you strip it back to it's fundamentals, the tendency towards seeing patterns everywhere, to abstracting from next to nothing and to think heuristically instead of logically is one of the best features we've got going for us. Sure it makes the human brain easy to take advantage of, and more than a little bit crazy, but that crazy is world conquering. It's the last, best hope we've got against the inevitable octopus uprising.


    I believe the octopuses want us all dead.

    You're right, of course. I hadn't looked at it that way. The octopi are in league with their colossal squid brethren.

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    FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Do you believe in magic?

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    JamesKeenanJamesKeenan Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    Do you believe in magic?

    I mean, come on. 7 pages. Don't think anyone's done it yet?
    Shinto wrote: »
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    I believe in miracles. Do you? Do you? Do you?

    Do you believe in magic in a young girls heart?

    I'm not complaining. I rectifying.

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    Muse Among MenMuse Among Men Suburban Bunny Princess? Its time for a new shtick Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    I believe in God.

    I believe in ghosts.

    I do not believe in possessions, or poltergeists.

    I believe that 'disrespecting' an object will lead it to fail on you.

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    ElendilElendil Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    I figure extraterrestial life has to exist in one form or another.

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    JohannenJohannen Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Shinto wrote: »
    Johannen wrote: »
    Shinto wrote: »
    _J_ wrote: »
    Shinto wrote: »
    You are correct sir.

    But Internet R Serious business.

    You make an excellent case. This matter must be deliberated upon.

    I believe that it shouldn't be deliberated on.

    Pistols and dawn.

    I don't believe in pistols... or dawn.

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    ege02ege02 __BANNED USERS regular
    edited September 2007
    I believe sexual frustration is the root cause of all wars.

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    redxredx I(x)=2(x)+1 whole numbersRegistered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Google is not evil.

    Google and my own interests are, in many areas, not in conflict.

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    They moistly come out at night, moistly.
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    FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    edited September 2007
    I believe in love, it's all we've got

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