I'm not sure if it's just a cultural thing and I notice it more with British shows or if I'm crazy or what but it seems like some British comedies are waaay too formulaic. Like little Britain, some of the sketches are exactly the same with just the most minute of details changed, I don't get it.
Yeah, there are a few sketch shows that have suffered from that problem lately. Little Britain, that scummy Catherine Tate show (which suffered from the slightly more major problem that none of the jokes were funny in the first place), Man Stroke Woman. There was a pretty funny satire of 24 hour news networks that was on recently, but so many of the sketches were just variations on a theme.
I'm not sure how specific that is to Britain though. I don't know any American sketch shows, and I don't know any Australian sketch shows that don't suck.
God damn yes. What's worse is that my parents love the show. I drifted in one time, and the scenario was that there was a posh woman in a taxi, complaining about stuff like the smell of the air freshener and noise outside. I commented, "I bet the punchline is that she cracks one off," to which my dad replied, "Of course, that's what this character always does." How the hell can that be funny more than once, even if people find it funny the first time? It's a shame, because Catherine Tate is a very talented actress, and her characters (especially the grandmother) are very well observed, but the writers need to learn that well observed =/= funny. I'm sure that they just have two sets of cards in the writing room: one with captions like "Farts while ______" or "Says 'What a fucking liberty' at ______", and another set with situations like "party" or "doctor's". To write each new script, they just throw the cards on the floor and see what turns up.
The Sketch Show is a fine example of a sketch show done right, and Tim Vine and Lee Mack are currently in a sitcom called Not Going Out. While it's not especially original, the jokes are pretty good. I feel I must also mention Time Gentlemen Please, featuring the screamingly funny Al Murray. While the show isn't the bestest thing ever, Al Murray's Pub Landlord character is one of the best comedic creations of the past twenty years; like Catherine Tate's characters, he's very well observed, but unlike Tate he's also hysterically funny. If you ever get a chance to see Al Murray's standup, see it, as it's a wonderful take on right-wing politics and British nationalism, as well as involving brilliant improv featuring members of the audience.
Somebody in the UK get me Bill Bailey so I can force him and Dylan Moran to do another season of Black Books.
Yes of course-
Wait no thats a terrible idea, the last Black Books season was the weakest by far. Why is Fawlty Towers regarded as a classic, and why will The Office in time, be regarded in the same way? Because both ran to only two seasons. The trick to TV comedy is knowing when to quit.
Somebody in the UK get me Bill Bailey so I can force him and Dylan Moran to do another season of Black Books.
Yes of course-
Wait no thats a terrible idea, the last Black Books season was the weakest by far. Why is Fawlty Towers regarded as a classic, and why will The Office in time, be regarded in the same way? Because both ran to only two seasons. The trick to TV comedy is knowing when to quit.
Ehhhhh I need my Bill Bailey/Dylan Moran fix somehow!
Somebody in the UK get me Bill Bailey so I can force him and Dylan Moran to do another season of Black Books.
Yes of course-
Wait no thats a terrible idea, the last Black Books season was the weakest by far. Why is Fawlty Towers regarded as a classic, and why will The Office in time, be regarded in the same way? Because both ran to only two seasons. The trick to TV comedy is knowing when to quit.
Somebody in the UK get me Bill Bailey so I can force him and Dylan Moran to do another season of Black Books.
Yes of course-
Wait no thats a terrible idea, the last Black Books season was the weakest by far. Why is Fawlty Towers regarded as a classic, and why will The Office in time, be regarded in the same way? Because both ran to only two seasons. The trick to TV comedy is knowing when to quit.
I thought Fawlty Towers ran for 6 episodes only?
It was 11 or 12 I think.
The Garden Gnome still ranks as one of the funniest things ever.
I'm not sure if it's just a cultural thing and I notice it more with British shows or if I'm crazy or what but it seems like some British comedies are waaay too formulaic. Like little Britain, some of the sketches are exactly the same with just the most minute of details changed, I don't get it.
Yeah, there are a few sketch shows that have suffered from that problem lately. Little Britain, that scummy Catherine Tate show (which suffered from the slightly more major problem that none of the jokes were funny in the first place), Man Stroke Woman. There was a pretty funny satire of 24 hour news networks that was on recently, but so many of the sketches were just variations on a theme.
I'm not sure how specific that is to Britain though. I don't know any American sketch shows, and I don't know any Australian sketch shows that don't suck.
While it's not especially original, the jokes are pretty good. I feel I must also mention Time Gentlemen Please, featuring the screamingly funny Al Murray. While the show isn't the bestest thing ever, Al Murray's Pub Landlord character is one of the best comedic creations of the past twenty years; like Catherine Tate's characters, he's very well observed, but unlike Tate he's also hysterically funny. If you ever get a chance to see Al Murray's standup, see it, as it's a wonderful take on right-wing politics and British nationalism, as well as involving brilliant improv featuring members of the audience.
Time Gentlemen Please, you magnificent bastard. I've been trying to find a home version of that for ever.
Despite the act he must have a really high IQ, I mean he pulls facts out of nowhere. Granted I don't specialise in geography but still, knowing all those capitals and stuff. Impressive.
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Only having seen her in the Who special, I was impressed by certain aspects of her...performance.
But reading up on her, I see she plays loudmouth chavs? Oh joy.
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Even though I guess it's a "dramedy" I've loved every episode I've seen of Life on Mars.
I don’t really have much else to add, I'd pretty much be echoing most of the posts in this thread. I have to say though, I’ve enjoyed what stand-up I’ve seen from Dylan Moran.
The League of Gentlemen was really very good in its first season. Then it just got a little too weird and really really creepy. But how many other comedies have spawned a reasonably successful movie, too?
Yeah, the second season almost made me too uncomfortable to watch it at times... but I persevered. It was worth it for the messed up conclusion (and the Memento storytelling approach).
Also, loved the movie.
I'm a bit more optimistic about her Who role. As long as she turns down the loudmouth aspects of the character she played in the special she should be fine (though I'd obviously still prefer Martha or, if that genie ever gets round to granting my wishes, Rose to return).
Still, we get Kylie first. To link this to the OP I still can't think about Kylie without imagining Martin Clunes and Neil Morrisey in Men Behaving Badly reacting to her name whenever either one would mention it: 'mmmmm, Kylie. She's lovely. mmmmm'. And then with the cushions.
Even though I guess it's a "dramedy" I've loved every episode I've seen of Life on Mars.
I don’t really have much else to add, I'd pretty much be echoing most of the posts in this thread. I have to say though, I’ve enjoyed what stand-up I’ve seen from Dylan Moran.
The Camberwick Green intro to one of the episodes in Season 2 was one of the most inspired pieces of comedy in recent times.
Even though I guess it's a "dramedy" I've loved every episode I've seen of Life on Mars.
I don’t really have much else to add, I'd pretty much be echoing most of the posts in this thread. I have to say though, I’ve enjoyed what stand-up I’ve seen from Dylan Moran.
The Camberwick Green intro to one of the episodes in Season 2 was one of the most inspired pieces of comedy in recent times.
Even though I guess it's a "dramedy" I've loved every episode I've seen of Life on Mars.
I don’t really have much else to add, I'd pretty much be echoing most of the posts in this thread. I have to say though, I’ve enjoyed what stand-up I’ve seen from Dylan Moran.
The Camberwick Green intro to one of the episodes in Season 2 was one of the most inspired pieces of comedy in recent times.
Life on Mars really was one of the best series I've ever seen, let alone in the last five years. Though I do have my reservations about the Gene Hunt spinoff. Can it really be as good?
Even though I guess it's a "dramedy" I've loved every episode I've seen of Life on Mars.
I don’t really have much else to add, I'd pretty much be echoing most of the posts in this thread. I have to say though, I’ve enjoyed what stand-up I’ve seen from Dylan Moran.
The Camberwick Green intro to one of the episodes in Season 2 was one of the most inspired pieces of comedy in recent times.
Life on Mars really was one of the best series I've ever seen, let alone in the last five years. Though I do have my reservations about the Gene Hunt spinoff. Can it really be as good?
Trust the Gene Genie.
The twin laws of diminishing returns and familiarity breeding contempt will probably set in, but I don't expect it to be actively bad. I'm torn between wanting more Gene Hunt and not wanting him in a show that only reaches the heights of 'meh, not bad'. The new show won't have the 'is it a dream?' hook of Life on Mars (because we know now), which gave it a lot of its weirdness, so it's going to have to get by purely on the culture clash.
Ricky Gervias and Stephen Merchant have been targeting the formula based catch phrase comedys in Extras, The Fast Show (and Big Train) were the last great UK sketch shows but since the success of the former alot of people have jumped on the idea and watered them down for stupid people.
Funny thing is Catherine Tate was in Big Train, which had no catchphrases or recuring characters just pure dark comedy (the wanking in the office sketch...lol)
As for whats good from our fair Isle, imho:
Blackadder Goes Forth: as some have said, the best of the best, it pains me to see Rowan Atkinson mugging for the camera as the plainly unfunny Mr Bean when he is capable of such genius.
I'm Alan Partridge: Steve Coogan's finest creation, sad, pathetic, dark and cringe makingly funny, first series is the best of the 2.
Big Train: Hit and miss but one of the darker, funnier sketch shows and Simon Peggs first "big" gig (pre spaced I think, might be wrong) alot of the sketches run over long which makes it funnier, shares alot of writers from Alan Partridge.
The Day Today: The spoof news show to beat, Chris Morris dark genius before the the uproar of of Brass Eye, the fake headlines with real footage / sound bites were utterly kidney busting (if you like surreal with a straight face).
Fist of Fun: Richard Herring and Stuart Lee before they went and did their own emo things, a fine mix of sketch and semi standup, hard to find except for online at a guess as it's fairly obscure, the Jesus / cynical disciple stuff was win.
Red Dwarf Seasons 3 and 4: I specify these seasons as they were at the hight of its fame (budget went up) but before they jumped the shark (everyone came back to life....WTF) The first 2 series were good but it was all a little too shoestring with terrible sound, the 3rd and 4th had episodes of brilliance, Marooned in S3 being a highlight of the idea of the show "Steptoe and Son" (or sandford and son for the americans) in Space" with the polar opposites of Rimmer and Lister trapped together, I thank god the US version sank without a trace as it sucked by all accounts.
And honourable mentions to:
Spaced, Fawlty Towers, Bottom (1st series), Black Books, Coupling
Oh and for the record, the US version of The Office > the UK one once they stopped trying to copy, the 3rd season with its original story was brilliant, it has better acting, better writing and Jim + Pam had more heart than Tim + Dawn (mainly due to the acting from Jenna? Pam's actress)
The Day Today now means that I can't take any news broadcast seriously. It was so painfully accurate in its satire of shock journalism that you can hear and see it in every modern news cast.
Also The Young Ones fucking best british show ever. Nobody mention it yet?
The Region 1 box set of "every stoopid episode" is so much better than the individual seasons put out by the BBC. Full of extras, clips of stuff Rik Mayall and Adrian Edmonson did prior to The Young Ones, things like that. What do the BBC DVDs have in the way of special features? Scene selection.
Same seems to go for Bottom.
Although there is a Region 4 box set out now which I haven't really looked into...
Wait, has anyone even mentioned Bottom yet? (EDIT: yes, someone's mentioned Bottom already. I typed this post a couple of hours ago and my tube got clogged or something and now it's hours later...)
Rik Mayall and Adrian Edmonson as Richard Richard and Eddie Hitler (and occasionally Christopher Ryan as Hedgehog) as a couple of losers who live in a nasty flat and get into all kinds of wacky hijinks. After the series ended they went on to do live show, which are also available on DVD and pretty great.
I have to agree, Catherine Tate should die in a fire, breathing AIDS infected fumes. It's like she started plagiarising Little Britain some considerable time after Little Britain stopped being funny, and managed to be either more lowest common denominator.
She was good in Big Train, or at least pleasantly forgettable. I remember the "You big-handed twat!" okay though.
And the Staring competitions were only in series one, I think. I can't find my series one DVD and watched two recently.
The Day Today now means that I can't take any news broadcast seriously. It was so painfully accurate in its satire of shock journalism that you can hear and see it in every modern news cast.
It was perfect.
And it catapulted Alan partridge into his own show.
Armando Iannucci is the king of comedy writer/producers.
The Day Today now means that I can't take any news broadcast seriously. It was so painfully accurate in its satire of shock journalism that you can hear and see it in every modern news cast.
It was perfect.
And it catapulted Alan partridge into his own show.
Armando Iannucci is the king of comedy writer/producers.
So true, I was going to mention the Friday Night Armisitace but felt it might be hard to explain, that guy is invloved in or behind so many gems.
Oh and can we mention Father Ted without someone pointing out it's Irish? as it was utterly fantastic, the highlight being the priests trapped in the womens underwear department that quickly evolves into a WW2 movie
So true, I was going to mention the Friday Night Armisitace but felt it might be hard to explain, that guy is invloved in or behind so many gems.
I remember loving that when it was on but nothing else. Should check out the 'Tube. I remember I first saw the Day Today at the same time, and far from appreciating the way I do now, I just found the graphics for Bomb Dogs hysterical.
Oh and can we mention Father Ted without someone pointing out it's Irish? as it was utterly fantastic, the highlight being the priests trapped in the womens underwear department that quickly evolves into a WW2 movie
The Day Today now means that I can't take any news broadcast seriously. It was so painfully accurate in its satire of shock journalism that you can hear and see it in every modern news cast.
It was perfect.
And it catapulted Alan partridge into his own show.
Armando Iannucci is the king of comedy writer/producers.
Speaking of Armando Iannucci did anyone see Time Trumpet? It was one of those nostalgia shows but from the future looking back on today.
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I only saw the episode where Ant & Dec had to deliver a government report on drinking. It was very good. The show itself was broadcast at some weird time on a BBC B-team channel though, so I could never find the rest.
Did anybody else manage to watch the equally strangely timed Biffovision? It was a spoof Saturday morning kid's show written by Mr Biffo. Maybe you needed to have been just a little bit older to get some of the jokes, but it all seemed a bit flat to me.
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The Day Today now means that I can't take any news broadcast seriously. It was so painfully accurate in its satire of shock journalism that you can hear and see it in every modern news cast.
It was perfect.
And it catapulted Alan partridge into his own show.
Armando Iannucci is the king of comedy writer/producers.
Speaking of Armando Iannucci did anyone see Time Trumpet? It was one of those nostalgia shows but from the future looking back on today.
I had come to the conclusion I was the only one who'd ever watched time trumpet. Some parts of it were immensely funny - rape an ape still gets me
Thanks to YouTube and this thread, I have been turned onto some truly great comedy I've been missing! Darkplace had me in stitches! Reminded me of Waiting For Guffman, how you have these people who just know in their heart of hearts that they are making art man. ART. And it's just so terrible. Ed Wood would be proud.
That Mitchell and Webb Look has been damn great too. I had seen the "Are we the baddies" bit before, but Sir Digby Chicken Ceasar was pretty funny. I also see they made the UK versions of the Mac commercials over here with Justin Long and John Hodgman. Amusing in it's own way.
Oh, watched that AD/BC special - up there on my XMas viewing list now along with A Christmas Story and Emmet Otter's Jugband Christmas.
The Day Today now means that I can't take any news broadcast seriously. It was so painfully accurate in its satire of shock journalism that you can hear and see it in every modern news cast.
It was perfect.
And it catapulted Alan partridge into his own show.
Armando Iannucci is the king of comedy writer/producers.
Speaking of Armando Iannucci did anyone see Time Trumpet? It was one of those nostalgia shows but from the future looking back on today.
I had come to the conclusion I was the only one who'd ever watched time trumpet. Some parts of it were immensely funny - rape an ape still gets me
Oh yeah I had forgotten about that and Celebrity Rape An Ape with Chris Moyles.
I love that stuff because it's done with such a straight face.
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Indeed, I loved it.
I also really want to get some Blundstone boots now.
God damn yes. What's worse is that my parents love the show. I drifted in one time, and the scenario was that there was a posh woman in a taxi, complaining about stuff like the smell of the air freshener and noise outside. I commented, "I bet the punchline is that she cracks one off," to which my dad replied, "Of course, that's what this character always does." How the hell can that be funny more than once, even if people find it funny the first time? It's a shame, because Catherine Tate is a very talented actress, and her characters (especially the grandmother) are very well observed, but the writers need to learn that well observed =/= funny. I'm sure that they just have two sets of cards in the writing room: one with captions like "Farts while ______" or "Says 'What a fucking liberty' at ______", and another set with situations like "party" or "doctor's". To write each new script, they just throw the cards on the floor and see what turns up.
The Sketch Show is a fine example of a sketch show done right, and Tim Vine and Lee Mack are currently in a sitcom called Not Going Out. While it's not especially original, the jokes are pretty good. I feel I must also mention Time Gentlemen Please, featuring the screamingly funny Al Murray. While the show isn't the bestest thing ever, Al Murray's Pub Landlord character is one of the best comedic creations of the past twenty years; like Catherine Tate's characters, he's very well observed, but unlike Tate he's also hysterically funny. If you ever get a chance to see Al Murray's standup, see it, as it's a wonderful take on right-wing politics and British nationalism, as well as involving brilliant improv featuring members of the audience.
Some examples (NSFW):
Al Murray warming up the audience
Al Murray on National Anthems
Al Murray on the Americans
Yes of course-
Wait no thats a terrible idea, the last Black Books season was the weakest by far. Why is Fawlty Towers regarded as a classic, and why will The Office in time, be regarded in the same way? Because both ran to only two seasons. The trick to TV comedy is knowing when to quit.
Ehhhhh I need my Bill Bailey/Dylan Moran fix somehow!
I agree completely though.
EDIT: Ideal is also really fucking great.
I thought Fawlty Towers ran for 6 episodes only?
It was 11 or 12 I think.
The Garden Gnome still ranks as one of the funniest things ever.
Time Gentlemen Please, you magnificent bastard. I've been trying to find a home version of that for ever.
Despite the act he must have a really high IQ, I mean he pulls facts out of nowhere. Granted I don't specialise in geography but still, knowing all those capitals and stuff. Impressive.
I really can't stand her and have no idea how she is so popular
She's going to kill Dr Who.
But reading up on her, I see she plays loudmouth chavs? Oh joy.
I don’t really have much else to add, I'd pretty much be echoing most of the posts in this thread. I have to say though, I’ve enjoyed what stand-up I’ve seen from Dylan Moran.
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Also, loved the movie.
Still, we get Kylie first. To link this to the OP I still can't think about Kylie without imagining Martin Clunes and Neil Morrisey in Men Behaving Badly reacting to her name whenever either one would mention it: 'mmmmm, Kylie. She's lovely. mmmmm'. And then with the cushions.
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The Camberwick Green intro to one of the episodes in Season 2 was one of the most inspired pieces of comedy in recent times.
'Is he kicking in a nonce?'. Joy.
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Just because it is so good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ixsc9POvY7E
Life on Mars really was one of the best series I've ever seen, let alone in the last five years. Though I do have my reservations about the Gene Hunt spinoff. Can it really be as good?
Trust the Gene Genie.
The twin laws of diminishing returns and familiarity breeding contempt will probably set in, but I don't expect it to be actively bad. I'm torn between wanting more Gene Hunt and not wanting him in a show that only reaches the heights of 'meh, not bad'. The new show won't have the 'is it a dream?' hook of Life on Mars (because we know now), which gave it a lot of its weirdness, so it's going to have to get by purely on the culture clash.
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Funny thing is Catherine Tate was in Big Train, which had no catchphrases or recuring characters just pure dark comedy (the wanking in the office sketch...lol)
As for whats good from our fair Isle, imho:
Blackadder Goes Forth: as some have said, the best of the best, it pains me to see Rowan Atkinson mugging for the camera as the plainly unfunny Mr Bean when he is capable of such genius.
I'm Alan Partridge: Steve Coogan's finest creation, sad, pathetic, dark and cringe makingly funny, first series is the best of the 2.
Big Train: Hit and miss but one of the darker, funnier sketch shows and Simon Peggs first "big" gig (pre spaced I think, might be wrong) alot of the sketches run over long which makes it funnier, shares alot of writers from Alan Partridge.
The Day Today: The spoof news show to beat, Chris Morris dark genius before the the uproar of of Brass Eye, the fake headlines with real footage / sound bites were utterly kidney busting (if you like surreal with a straight face).
Fist of Fun: Richard Herring and Stuart Lee before they went and did their own emo things, a fine mix of sketch and semi standup, hard to find except for online at a guess as it's fairly obscure, the Jesus / cynical disciple stuff was win.
Red Dwarf Seasons 3 and 4: I specify these seasons as they were at the hight of its fame (budget went up) but before they jumped the shark (everyone came back to life....WTF) The first 2 series were good but it was all a little too shoestring with terrible sound, the 3rd and 4th had episodes of brilliance, Marooned in S3 being a highlight of the idea of the show "Steptoe and Son" (or sandford and son for the americans) in Space" with the polar opposites of Rimmer and Lister trapped together, I thank god the US version sank without a trace as it sucked by all accounts.
And honourable mentions to:
Spaced, Fawlty Towers, Bottom (1st series), Black Books, Coupling
Oh and for the record, the US version of The Office > the UK one once they stopped trying to copy, the 3rd season with its original story was brilliant, it has better acting, better writing and Jim + Pam had more heart than Tim + Dawn (mainly due to the acting from Jenna? Pam's actress)
It was perfect.
The Region 1 box set of "every stoopid episode" is so much better than the individual seasons put out by the BBC. Full of extras, clips of stuff Rik Mayall and Adrian Edmonson did prior to The Young Ones, things like that. What do the BBC DVDs have in the way of special features? Scene selection.
Same seems to go for Bottom.
Although there is a Region 4 box set out now which I haven't really looked into...
Wait, has anyone even mentioned Bottom yet? (EDIT: yes, someone's mentioned Bottom already. I typed this post a couple of hours ago and my tube got clogged or something and now it's hours later...)
Rik Mayall and Adrian Edmonson as Richard Richard and Eddie Hitler (and occasionally Christopher Ryan as Hedgehog) as a couple of losers who live in a nasty flat and get into all kinds of wacky hijinks. After the series ended they went on to do live show, which are also available on DVD and pretty great.
She was good in Big Train, or at least pleasantly forgettable. I remember the "You big-handed twat!" okay though.
And the Staring competitions were only in series one, I think. I can't find my series one DVD and watched two recently.
And it catapulted Alan partridge into his own show.
Armando Iannucci is the king of comedy writer/producers.
So true, I was going to mention the Friday Night Armisitace but felt it might be hard to explain, that guy is invloved in or behind so many gems.
Oh and can we mention Father Ted without someone pointing out it's Irish? as it was utterly fantastic, the highlight being the priests trapped in the womens underwear department that quickly evolves into a WW2 movie
Edit: here it is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foFXj7pEj4g
Go there now, ya smeghead!
I remember loving that when it was on but nothing else. Should check out the 'Tube. I remember I first saw the Day Today at the same time, and far from appreciating the way I do now, I just found the graphics for Bomb Dogs hysterical.
Oh man that was funny! I love Father Ted. And the one priest was the dude in Journeyman! And Rome!
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Speaking of Armando Iannucci did anyone see Time Trumpet? It was one of those nostalgia shows but from the future looking back on today.
Did anybody else manage to watch the equally strangely timed Biffovision? It was a spoof Saturday morning kid's show written by Mr Biffo. Maybe you needed to have been just a little bit older to get some of the jokes, but it all seemed a bit flat to me.
I had come to the conclusion I was the only one who'd ever watched time trumpet. Some parts of it were immensely funny - rape an ape still gets me
That Mitchell and Webb Look has been damn great too. I had seen the "Are we the baddies" bit before, but Sir Digby Chicken Ceasar was pretty funny. I also see they made the UK versions of the Mac commercials over here with Justin Long and John Hodgman. Amusing in it's own way.
Oh, watched that AD/BC special - up there on my XMas viewing list now along with A Christmas Story and Emmet Otter's Jugband Christmas.
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Oh yeah I had forgotten about that and Celebrity Rape An Ape with Chris Moyles.
I love that stuff because it's done with such a straight face.