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Vampire: The Masquerade: Bloodlines: Colons (UNMARKED SPOILERS, BEWARE)

Mai-KeroMai-Kero Registered User regular
edited July 2009 in Games and Technology
So I recently discovered that there were several unofficial patches with this, and I'm wondering which I should use.

It seems that one is from the planetvampire.com site and has a bunch of added content that the developers worked on but couldn't finish, while the other is from the tessmage.com site and just fixes bugs but doesn't add much.

Which should I go for?

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  • LorkLork Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Do either of them balance the weapons? Because you want that.

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  • TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited September 2007
    Get the bug fixes, the other fanpatches change the most banal shit. This always turns into a flame war, but I'm still right.

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  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu PIGEON Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Get the almost-latest fan patch, available here, here, and here. The latest has a big bug that the guy's fixing right now, so stay away from 4.2. You also need the official 1.2 patch available plenty of places.

    I am right and Tube is wrong.

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  • LorkLork Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    I am right and Tube is wrong.
    Seriously. Troika had some great writers and creative ideas but they knew shit all about game design.

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  • DisruptorX2DisruptorX2 Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Lork wrote: »
    I am right and Tube is wrong.
    Seriously. Troika had some great writers and creative ideas but they knew shit all about game design.

    I disagree, considering they made the only single player RPG thats actually fun to play that isn't Oblivion, in recent memory.

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  • BarcardiBarcardi All the Wizards Under A Rock: AfganistanRegistered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Tube is right, who the hell goes through the entire game and rearranges where every single item is. A fan patch does that, i am not sure which one.

    The one i currently have loaded claimed to have added a bunch of quests and dialog but i didnt see any.

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  • Mai-KeroMai-Kero Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Side question, should I play as a normal clan or Malkavian?

    I've been up to the sewers on a Tremere playthrough but never finished the game.

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  • LorkLork Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Mai-Kero wrote: »
    Side question, should I play as a normal clan or Malkavian?

    I've been up to the sewers on a Tremere playthrough but never finished the game.
    Well, since you've already played most of the game as a "normal" clan, you might as well see things from the other side.

    I vaguely remember hearing something about one of the fan patches unlocking the backdoor to the warrens. Is that true? Because hot damn if that isn't the best addition anyone could ever hope for in a patch.

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  • DeausDeaus Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    If its your first time through, I'd play as a normal clan. Malks are entertaining as all get out when you realize just how far they deviate from the norm.

    Also, I'd get the bug fixes naturally, but also theres a mod out there that I really liked. It made all the Tremere spells cost 1 blood point. I played through the Tremere twice, once without and once a year later with. It felt MUCH better going through with that mod. Like there was a reason to get those upper tier abilities. I was real disapointed on my first play through because it felt like the cost was prohibatively high.

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  • CycophantCycophant Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    I'm not going to wade into the fan patch/no fan patch debate, because I've played both ways, and I liked both instances.

    But I will state that the bug-fix patches are a good idea. I will also highly suggest that when you play through as a Malk (because it is, in fact, mandatory), ensure you enable the whispering voices. It makes playing that much better. And I also agree that a Malk playthrough should be ideally done after playing through the game once.

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  • MinionOfCthulhuMinionOfCthulhu Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Mai-Kero wrote: »
    Side question, should I play as a normal clan or Malkavian?

    I've been up to the sewers on a Tremere playthrough but never finished the game.

    You should play as a Malkav.
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  • Random Name GeneratorRandom Name Generator Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Deaus wrote: »
    If its your first time through, I'd play as a normal clan. Malks are entertaining as all get out when you realize just how far they deviate from the norm.

    Also, I'd get the bug fixes naturally, but also theres a mod out there that I really liked. It made all the Tremere spells cost 1 blood point. I played through the Tremere twice, once without and once a year later with. It felt MUCH better going through with that mod. Like there was a reason to get those upper tier abilities. I was real disapointed on my first play through because it felt like the cost was prohibatively high.

    I've almost finished my first play through as a Tremere and I agree that blood salvo isn't much use at 3 blood, nevermind that dominate plus a good sneak rating is making every encounter a joke. I can suicide everything until there's one guy left and then just trance him to refill.

    I am having one game breaking issue though, right at the end:
    I'm in the golden temple at the double doors near the water wheel. I'm supposed to be able to push the wooden bar aside but it doesn't work. A little research showed that this isn't a unique glitch, but I can't for the life of me solve the problem. I was planning to play again as a nosferatu anyway, but it looks like I might be doing that sooner than I planned.

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  • CycophantCycophant Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    I am having one game breaking issue though, right at the end:
    I'm in the golden temple at the double doors near the water wheel. I'm supposed to be able to push the wooden bar aside but it doesn't work. A little research showed that this isn't a unique glitch, but I can't for the life of me solve the problem. I was planning to play again as a nosferatu anyway, but it looks like I might be doing that sooner than I planned.
    Just noclip through it. I forget the exact command (though it may, in fact, be "noclip"). I got to that, wandered around for 20 minutes, and said "Fuck it" and clipped through it, disabling the cheats on the other side. I only later discovered it was a common glitch.

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  • Random Name GeneratorRandom Name Generator Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Cycophant wrote: »
    I am having one game breaking issue though, right at the end:
    I'm in the golden temple at the double doors near the water wheel. I'm supposed to be able to push the wooden bar aside but it doesn't work. A little research showed that this isn't a unique glitch, but I can't for the life of me solve the problem. I was planning to play again as a nosferatu anyway, but it looks like I might be doing that sooner than I planned.
    Just noclip through it. I forget the exact command (though it may, in fact, be "noclip"). I got to that, wandered around for 20 minutes, and said "Fuck it" and clipped through it, disabling the cheats on the other side. I only later discovered it was a common glitch.

    I thought of that, but if there's some magical way of activating the console it's eluding me. There's no entry to map a key to it and futzing about with the keyboard in game isn't producing any good results. Also, I find it hilarious that nosferatu got flagged for spelling but futzing didn't.

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  • CycophantCycophant Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Cycophant wrote: »
    I am having one game breaking issue though, right at the end:
    I'm in the golden temple at the double doors near the water wheel. I'm supposed to be able to push the wooden bar aside but it doesn't work. A little research showed that this isn't a unique glitch, but I can't for the life of me solve the problem. I was planning to play again as a nosferatu anyway, but it looks like I might be doing that sooner than I planned.
    Just noclip through it. I forget the exact command (though it may, in fact, be "noclip"). I got to that, wandered around for 20 minutes, and said "Fuck it" and clipped through it, disabling the cheats on the other side. I only later discovered it was a common glitch.

    I thought of that, but if there's some magical way of activating the console it's eluding me. There's no entry to map a key to it and futzing about with the keyboard in game isn't producing any good results. Also, I find it hilarious that nosferatu got flagged for spelling but futzing didn't.

    Just remembered. You have to start the game with the "-console" flag enabled, through a shortcut or something. If you're playing through Steam (shame if you're not), just use it to create a Desktop shortcut, and edit that. You can delete it right after if you don't plan on using the console again anyway.

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  • Mai-KeroMai-Kero Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Oh god the backgrounds. So good.

    The malkavian ones include

    "Ninja."
    and
    "Completely batshit."

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Malkavians have all the fun.

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  • LewiePLewieP Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    <3








    that is all.

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  • Random Name GeneratorRandom Name Generator Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Cycophant wrote: »
    Cycophant wrote: »
    I am having one game breaking issue though, right at the end:
    I'm in the golden temple at the double doors near the water wheel. I'm supposed to be able to push the wooden bar aside but it doesn't work. A little research showed that this isn't a unique glitch, but I can't for the life of me solve the problem. I was planning to play again as a nosferatu anyway, but it looks like I might be doing that sooner than I planned.
    Just noclip through it. I forget the exact command (though it may, in fact, be "noclip"). I got to that, wandered around for 20 minutes, and said "Fuck it" and clipped through it, disabling the cheats on the other side. I only later discovered it was a common glitch.

    I thought of that, but if there's some magical way of activating the console it's eluding me. There's no entry to map a key to it and futzing about with the keyboard in game isn't producing any good results. Also, I find it hilarious that nosferatu got flagged for spelling but futzing didn't.

    Just remembered. You have to start the game with the "-console" flag enabled, through a shortcut or something. If you're playing through Steam (shame if you're not), just use it to create a Desktop shortcut, and edit that. You can delete it right after if you don't plan on using the console again anyway.

    That worked perfectly, thanks. I am playing through Steam. I saw it while browing the games available (read: checking out the Orange Box) and thought, "I remember reading good things, surely the bugs are cleared up by now."

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Further evidence to support the Malkavians as the definitive clan:
    jeanette.jpg

    Sure, she's the personality I axed, but that's neither here nor there.

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  • Random Name GeneratorRandom Name Generator Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    cj iwakura wrote: »
    Further evidence to support the Malkavians as the definitive clan:
    jeanette.jpg

    Sure, she's the personality I axed, but that's neither here nor there.

    That whole thing made me :O when I returned after the gallery fight. I hate to admit it but I didn't figure out what was going on until midway through the conversation and I finally asked myself why the camera kept switching points of view.

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  • TeriferinTeriferin Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    I've always wanted to play through as a Malk, but... uh... I don't want to do the ghost house again. I can't imagine that place while playing as a raving madman.

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  • CylaranaCylarana Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    God I need to fire up this game again. I quit playing around fan patch 2.2 or so, it's been a while. I generally liiked the fan patches, but mostly because they kept on fixing bugs that did not get fixed by the last official patch. Some of the changes they made were great, others sucked. *shrug* I still want a major boost the .38 because damn that thing is worthless against EVERYTHING even mortals. I'd try it with just the bugfixes first, then with the nearly latest patch, then make up your mind.

    I've played through on every clan at least once, but prefer gangrel (it fits me best) or malks (close second).

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  • The_LightbringerThe_Lightbringer Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Having a TV talk to me was really creepy

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  • CylaranaCylarana Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    wait, how the hell do you enable that? I never had the stop sign talk to me...only the tv :(

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  • HybridHybrid South AustraliaRegistered User regular
    edited September 2007
    There is something called the True patch out there, it fixes the bugs in the game but doesn't change anything else (Tube was right on that count, the fan patch changes all this stupid shit and just annoys.)
    I used to play this game all the time on my old laptop but I got a new one and it is just not compatible at all with this game. I was swearing for days.

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  • HybridHybrid South AustraliaRegistered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Cylarana wrote: »
    wait, how the hell do you enable that? I never had the stop sign talk to me...only the tv :(

    I think it is actually a specific stop sign you talk to, not just any one. Off the top of my head, try the ones Downtown.

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  • Lavender GoomsLavender Gooms Tiny Bat Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    It's the stop sign across from the Tremere Chantry.

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  • Dr. Phibbs McAtheyDr. Phibbs McAthey Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Teriferin wrote: »
    I've always wanted to play through as a Malk, but... uh... I don't want to do the ghost house again. I can't imagine that place while playing as a raving madman.

    My first play was as a Malk, and I stopped for some reason what felt like a good long while after that. Anyway, the house gave me the wiggins, but the more I thought about it, that house was probably a normal, everyday occurrence to the Malk. Which is what makes the game pretty damn great in the first place.

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  • NocturneNocturne Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    This is one of my favorite games of all time that I was never able to finish due to the horrible horrible bugs that made it unplayable.

    Of course that was with my ATI card. I think I might have to try another playthrough with my 8800GTX and see if it's doable.

    Seriously though, this game is amazing. And the haunted house had to be one of the best moments in gaming history.

    It always still reminds me of Morrowind though in that "if it only had a combat system that didn't blow, it would be the perfect game" kind of way.

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  • Rhan9Rhan9 Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Bloodlines, Whee!

    First time through as Tremere, second as Malkavian. Malkavian conversations, and other hilarity is definitely worth it, as others have said, on the second playthrough. Besides, you got to love the Dr. Seuss pimp-costume.

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  • CylaranaCylarana Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    The police bondage costume for female malks...meow! Yeah, great game for sure...just a shame about all the gameplay issues. The environment and story rocked, if only they coulda pulled off that quality in the actual gameplay it woulda been a game of the year contender :(

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  • TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited September 2007
    Deaus wrote: »
    Also, I'd get the bug fixes naturally, but also theres a mod out there that I really liked. It made all the Tremere spells cost 1 blood point. I played through the Tremere twice, once without and once a year later with. It felt MUCH better going through with that mod. Like there was a reason to get those upper tier abilities. I was real disapointed on my first play through because it felt like the cost was prohibatively high.

    So it makes an already unbalanced clan powerful to a degree that is just ridiculous.

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  • DaveTheWaveDaveTheWave Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Read this before you assume anything about Troika

    If I had millions of dollars, I would seriously resurrect these guys and fund their games TO COMPLETION. If Troika "finished" all of the games they released before they died, they would all be must-own masterpieces, and I'm sure less people would be yelling about the demise of the gaming PC.

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  • CylaranaCylarana Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Yeah if you thought tremer were weak...ugh, I don't know what to say. Seriously, they have arguably the best combat discipline in the game (Celerity and Fortitude are also damn nice). Blood Boil is freaking great in the hotel level...it'd be just super cheezy to have it only cost 1 point.

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Tremere have Celerity and Fortitude? So much for Auspex and Dominate...

    I'll be doing my second playthrough as one, since they're the clan I know the least about.

    Thaumaturgy has always been a sick discipline, so that's just the game being true to source material.

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  • devoirdevoir Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    I tried so hard to get into this game, but I have the same problem with it as I do with... well, I won't give the name of the series of books because I'll get lynched. Essentially the problem is that it doesn't grab interest as a product itself. It's great to talk and read about, but I just found myself not playing it after the first couple of times I fired up the game.

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  • DaemonionDaemonion Mountain Man USARegistered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Oh, how I miss this game and the game it could have been.

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  • SilpheedSilpheed Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Read this before you assume anything about Troika

    If I had millions of dollars, I would seriously resurrect these guys and fund their games TO COMPLETION. If Troika "finished" all of the games they released before they died, they would all be must-own masterpieces, and I'm sure less people would be yelling about the demise of the gaming PC.
    I'm still waiting for Arcanum 2 and Bloodlines 2, dammit!

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  • DerrickDerrick Registered User regular
    edited September 2007
    Gangrel to me seemed to just rock, but I only had one full playthrough so I assumed most clans were about that powerful later on.

    I loved the atmosphere and story of this game though. It's a damn shame that they couldn't have a Blizzard timetable to just get shit rocking. :(

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