Yea, I just went to look into that game, but I just can't rationalizing buying the new books for an IRC or pbp game. I've got the stuff for oWoD vampire.
New Features Include:
- 7 totally new quests - one for each clan! Each quest is written and
constructed to match the clans' ambiance and feel; dig up dirt with
the Nosferatu, work deals with the Ventrue
- Over 550 new dialogue lines, with main characters voiced by
semi-professional voice actors!
- The new quests feature genuine WoD lore and facts; learn more about
the Masquerade than ever.
- Learn more about the most influential NPCs through new dialogue and quests
- Revisit some of the more neglected locations in the original game,
such as the Asp Hole and the Empire Hotel, now infused with new
content
- Meet 14 new NPCs including a members of the dreaded Assamite and
Lasombra clans
- Powerful new quest rewards, including stat increases and even
learning a fourth discipline!
It's not out yet, but the two videos that are up look really promising, the Tung voice especially is really good, looks like it's one worth keeping track of.
But not everyone in the world would be a semi-professional English major, so some people should use incorrect grammar, right?
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Just_Bri_ThanksSeething with ragefrom a handbasket.Registered User, ClubPAregular
edited June 2009
Using phrases incorrectly is one of the few things that keep semi-professional English majors in work, so you should be thankful that some people are willing to take one for the team and speak (and write) poorly.
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God, I wish I could get in on a one-off IRC Vampire session or something. I miss pnp, but nobody around here's into it.
Someone's planning an IRC Requiem game in CF, FYI. He said he's working on the thread for it.
That sounds sweet, but I probably wouldn't fit into a schedule - being a European bastard and all.
Australian high five for crappy time zones, i wanted to get involved in that game, but they're playing on american sunday night, which translates to 10am monday morning for me.
Why can noone make a straight up Heather saving mod or turning Heather mod that doesnt involve massive reinstalls to make my saves work?
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The fact that you can't save Heather is kind of vital to the WoD feel. You're a damned creature of the undead. If you try to have good things, bad things will happen to them.
send her home. The game tells you so many times that it's the right thing to do it's difficult to say you weren't warned. What you're doing to her is inherently wrong
As much as it sucks that she dies, I wouldn't have it any other way. Whether you acknowledged it or not, you should have known that you were endangering her by keeping her as your ghoul. You're kind of mixed up in some heavy shit.
send her home. The game tells you so many times that it's the right thing to do it's difficult to say you weren't warned. What you're doing to her is inherently wrong
I know you can save her that wya, I try to be nice to her, dont tell her were in love or anything but Id like to bring her into the night with me. Look at Knox, some ghouls can live a good life, dunno why shes so addicted. I just like her as an element of the gameplay. Not just because she walks around in her underwear.
Ghouls can't live a good live. She's addicted because the blood is addictive. Ever wonder why they made a thing about her drinking your blood the second and third times? By that point a bond is formed and she is literally incapable of leaving you on her own. What the player does to Heather is essentially rape her repeatedly until she is killed by his enemies. She isn't in control of her own actions.
You really think Knox is living a "good life"? Really? He's a pawn in games between blood sucking monsters that can and almost certainly will get him horrifically killed one day. For now Bertram has been able to play his pawn in ways that get the job done without getting him killed, but sooner or later circumstances outside his control will do the job...or Bertram will just decide he's more useful dead than alive.
Knox also gets the great guarantee that, after decades of servitude and risking his ass in a world he knows almost nothing about, he gets to be turned into a fucking Nosferatu.
I almost never kept Heather as a ghoul because the dialogue options you had to use to get her to stay were so disturbing. They sounded like stuff that an abusive, controlling husband or boyfriend would say to get her on his good side. And really, I guess that's actually the sort of relationship you're dealing with, when you get down to it.
I don't know if it would be all that bad being a ghoul, though. Mercurio seems to be doing OK, I suppose - he seems to have his shit together psychologically and enjoys his work. But of course he's a very competent and able individual in service of the Ventrue, so that's probably not representative of the average experience. Not to mention the fact that he's scared shitless that he's going to get shanked because he made one mistake.
I always wondered whose ghoul Mercurio was supposed to be. LaCroix doesn't really seem right, but then again he has spoken to LaCroix in the past and it seems unlikely some other vamp's ghoul would have done so. I could also see him being in service to Strauss, since they both seem to be fairly level-headed and realistic in terms of their outlook and beliefs - but he doesn't seem to be interested in, or even aware of, magic or the occult, so that seems to be out.
You're only given the option to save her if you already know about ghouls at that time. Go into the hospital without meeting mercurio or Knox and try it. Also, while saving her isn't evil, keeping her on once you've realised what's happening certainly is.
You're only given the option to save her if you already know about ghouls at that time. Go into the hospital without meeting mercurio or Knox and try it. Also, while saving her isn't evil, keeping her on once you've realised what's happening certainly is.
Yeah. The first drink she takes doesn't do much; it's only the first stage in the vinculum, easy enough for someone to break, plus the blood will heal whatever injury she's got. It's when she comes back and you don't tell her to fuck off that you're making a really inhuman decision.
Knox also gets the great guarantee that, after decades of servitude and risking his ass in a world he knows almost nothing about, he gets to be turned into a fucking Nosferatu.
I almost never kept Heather as a ghoul because the dialogue options you had to use to get her to stay were so disturbing. They sounded like stuff that an abusive, controlling husband or boyfriend would say to get her on his good side. And really, I guess that's actually the sort of relationship you're dealing with, when you get down to it.
I don't know if it would be all that bad being a ghoul, though. Mercurio seems to be doing OK, I suppose - he seems to have his shit together psychologically and enjoys his work. But of course he's a very competent and able individual in service of the Ventrue, so that's probably not representative of the average experience. Not to mention the fact that he's scared shitless that he's going to get shanked because he made one mistake.
I always wondered whose ghoul Mercurio was supposed to be. LaCroix seems unlikely, but then again he has spoken to LaCroix in the past and it seems unlikely some other vamp's ghoul would have done so. I could also see him being in service to Strauss, since they both seem to be fairly level-headed and realistic in terms of their outlook and beliefs - but he doesn't seem to be interested in, or even aware of, magic or the occult, so that seems to be out.
I think Mercurio might be a freelancer, IE he buys his blood. If he were LaCroix's he wouldn't be able to ask you not to tell him, and he goes and gets an extra shot of emergency blood if he thinks he needs to keep the player silent. Mercurio seems to have his shit together but he's beginning to approach the age where if he doesn't get his monthly blood fix he dies. Whichever vampires he's buying his blood from probably realise that drives the price up a fair bit and then he's in trouble. Bear in mind also that he can't drink from the same vampire three times in a certain time frame.
Knox also gets the great guarantee that, after decades of servitude and risking his ass in a world he knows almost nothing about, he gets to be turned into a fucking Nosferatu.
I almost never kept Heather as a ghoul because the dialogue options you had to use to get her to stay were so disturbing. They sounded like stuff that an abusive, controlling husband or boyfriend would say to get her on his good side. And really, I guess that's actually the sort of relationship you're dealing with, when you get down to it.
I don't know if it would be all that bad being a ghoul, though. Mercurio seems to be doing OK, I suppose - he seems to have his shit together psychologically and enjoys his work. But of course he's a very competent and able individual in service of the Ventrue, so that's probably not representative of the average experience. Not to mention the fact that he's scared shitless that he's going to get shanked because he made one mistake.
I always wondered whose ghoul Mercurio was supposed to be. LaCroix seems unlikely, but then again he has spoken to LaCroix in the past and it seems unlikely some other vamp's ghoul would have done so. I could also see him being in service to Strauss, since they both seem to be fairly level-headed and realistic in terms of their outlook and beliefs - but he doesn't seem to be interested in, or even aware of, magic or the occult, so that seems to be out.
I think Mercurio might be a freelancer, IE he buys his blood. If he were LaCroix's he wouldn't be able to ask you not to tell him, and he goes and gets an extra shot of emergency blood if he thinks he needs to keep the player silent. Mercurio seems to have his shit together but he's beginning to approach the age where if he doesn't get his monthly blood fix he dies. Whichever vampires he's buying his blood from probably realise that drives the price up a fair bit and then he's in trouble. Bear in mind also that he can't drink from the same vampire three times in a certain time frame.
Hm. I never really thought about that possibility, although it would make sense, because he never mentions a particular master and he doesn't seem to be Blood Bound to anyone (in which case you would expect them to keep him on a shorter chain).
I thought most ghouls got into it with the eventual expectation that their master would Embrace them, though. Somebody who does it as a job, without any particular loyalty to any one vampire (who would look bad if the ghoul fucked up), seems like a pretty shitty arrangement, since they could easily use him for decades and then cut the cord once he got too demanding. No wonder he was scared.
It might be done with the expectation of an embrace but seriously how often do you think that would happen? I can't even get a promotion at the company I work at because I'm "too valuable where I am" and my boss isn't an undead monster who needs me to operate his evil empire during the day.
Or is he...
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Freelancing ghouls are really frowned upon by the Camerilla though. All ghouls are technically masquerade violations, and independent ghouls don't have a vampire backing them up.
The fact that the prince of the city knows about Mercurio and yet doesn't kill him says to me that Mercurio is La'Criox's ghoul. I see the "don't tell him" thing as weak writing, not indicative of Mercurio being self employed.
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It might be done with the expectation of an embrace but seriously how often do you think that would happen? I can't even get a promotion at the company I work at because I'm "too valuable where I am" and my boss isn't an undead monster who needs me to operate his evil empire during the day.
Or is he...
I just thought that was standard vamp procedure, although I definitely don't know that much about the WoD. As in, find a talented human, ghoul them, get them to do your dirty work for a few decades to see if they can hack it, and if they're really good, really useful and (somehow) don't get killed, Embrace them and keep using them in your schemes. That's why I thought your own Sire got executed in the first few minutes of the game - they were careless and just sired somebody for the hell of it, and did so without permission and foreknowledge by the ruling authorities.
Then again, I can see why some people would want to stay a ghoul instead of being Embraced. If you're really attached to the daylight and don't mind the dependency factor I guess it wouldn't be much worse than being another vamp getting manipulated by someone else. At least when you're a ghoul you know who's pulling your strings.
Eh, a lot of stuff you do in the game is pretty horrible and amoral, bringing Heather into the world of the vampires would be pretty nice iMO, id be up for it.
Of LaCroix, Mercurio does say "Only seen him a few times. Way I understand it the guy's untouchable, and I never seen him without his muscle, that Sheriff. Just so you understand, my loyalties are all but written in blood, so my opinion of the guy is moot."
He also doesn't say anything special if, during the endgame, you
side with the Camarilla against LaCroix
so he's probably not attached to LaCroix or any of his immediate flunkies. He sounds more loyal to the Camarilla in general, and mentally might not distinguish between the two at first.
Mercurio seems to be doing OK, I suppose - he seems to have his shit together psychologically and enjoys his work. Not to mention the fact that he's scared shitless that he's going to get shanked because he made one mistake.
I always wondered whose ghoul Mercurio was supposed to be.
He said the blood is "shipped in" once a month, the only reason Mercurio isn't somebody's bitch is that that somebody is halfway across the fucking country.
It might be done with the expectation of an embrace but seriously how often do you think that would happen? I can't even get a promotion at the company I work at because I'm "too valuable where I am" and my boss isn't an undead monster who needs me to operate his evil empire during the day.
Or is he...
I just thought that was standard vamp procedure, although I definitely don't know that much about the WoD. As in, find a talented human, ghoul them, get them to do your dirty work for a few decades to see if they can hack it, and if they're really good, really useful and (somehow) don't get killed, Embrace them and keep using them in your schemes. That's why I thought your own Sire got executed in the first few minutes of the game - they were careless and just sired somebody for the hell of it, and did so without permission and foreknowledge by the ruling authorities.
Then again, I can see why some people would want to stay a ghoul instead of being Embraced. If you're really attached to the daylight and don't mind the dependency factor I guess it wouldn't be much worse than being another vamp getting manipulated by someone else. At least when you're a ghoul you know who's pulling your strings.
Some ghouls get embraced. Most vampires aren't willing to get rid of their slave that can operate during the day in order to do so though. Why get rid of a loyal servant and replace her with a potential rival?
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Some ghouls get embraced. Most vampires aren't willing to get rid of their slave that can operate during the day in order to do so though. Why get rid of a loyal servant and replace her with a potential rival?
Blood bonding removes the risk. You lose the utility of the ghoul, but there are always more kine.
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Someone's planning an IRC Requiem game in CF, FYI. He said he's working on the thread for it.
That sounds sweet, but I probably wouldn't fit into a schedule - being a European bastard and all.
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It's not out yet, but the two videos that are up look really promising, the Tung voice especially is really good, looks like it's one worth keeping track of.
Maybe they should hire semi-professional English majors :P
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Yeah, unless it's Patrick Stewart talking, the writing has to be good for the voice acting to matter.
Australian high five for crappy time zones, i wanted to get involved in that game, but they're playing on american sunday night, which translates to 10am monday morning for me.
Not that I know of.. MUSHes, though. That's a different story. I hear some of those are awesome, but I could never get into any, myself.
It bites, but that's unlife.
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I know you can save her that wya, I try to be nice to her, dont tell her were in love or anything but Id like to bring her into the night with me. Look at Knox, some ghouls can live a good life, dunno why shes so addicted. I just like her as an element of the gameplay. Not just because she walks around in her underwear.
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I almost never kept Heather as a ghoul because the dialogue options you had to use to get her to stay were so disturbing. They sounded like stuff that an abusive, controlling husband or boyfriend would say to get her on his good side. And really, I guess that's actually the sort of relationship you're dealing with, when you get down to it.
I don't know if it would be all that bad being a ghoul, though. Mercurio seems to be doing OK, I suppose - he seems to have his shit together psychologically and enjoys his work. But of course he's a very competent and able individual in service of the Ventrue, so that's probably not representative of the average experience. Not to mention the fact that he's scared shitless that he's going to get shanked because he made one mistake.
I always wondered whose ghoul Mercurio was supposed to be. LaCroix doesn't really seem right, but then again he has spoken to LaCroix in the past and it seems unlikely some other vamp's ghoul would have done so. I could also see him being in service to Strauss, since they both seem to be fairly level-headed and realistic in terms of their outlook and beliefs - but he doesn't seem to be interested in, or even aware of, magic or the occult, so that seems to be out.
Yeah. The first drink she takes doesn't do much; it's only the first stage in the vinculum, easy enough for someone to break, plus the blood will heal whatever injury she's got. It's when she comes back and you don't tell her to fuck off that you're making a really inhuman decision.
I think Mercurio might be a freelancer, IE he buys his blood. If he were LaCroix's he wouldn't be able to ask you not to tell him, and he goes and gets an extra shot of emergency blood if he thinks he needs to keep the player silent. Mercurio seems to have his shit together but he's beginning to approach the age where if he doesn't get his monthly blood fix he dies. Whichever vampires he's buying his blood from probably realise that drives the price up a fair bit and then he's in trouble. Bear in mind also that he can't drink from the same vampire three times in a certain time frame.
Hm. I never really thought about that possibility, although it would make sense, because he never mentions a particular master and he doesn't seem to be Blood Bound to anyone (in which case you would expect them to keep him on a shorter chain).
I thought most ghouls got into it with the eventual expectation that their master would Embrace them, though. Somebody who does it as a job, without any particular loyalty to any one vampire (who would look bad if the ghoul fucked up), seems like a pretty shitty arrangement, since they could easily use him for decades and then cut the cord once he got too demanding. No wonder he was scared.
Damn, the Camarilla are a bunch of assholes.
Or is he...
The fact that the prince of the city knows about Mercurio and yet doesn't kill him says to me that Mercurio is La'Criox's ghoul. I see the "don't tell him" thing as weak writing, not indicative of Mercurio being self employed.
chair to Creation and then suplex the Void.
Then again, I can see why some people would want to stay a ghoul instead of being Embraced. If you're really attached to the daylight and don't mind the dependency factor I guess it wouldn't be much worse than being another vamp getting manipulated by someone else. At least when you're a ghoul you know who's pulling your strings.
If not for the no sex thing.
He also doesn't say anything special if, during the endgame, you
He said the blood is "shipped in" once a month, the only reason Mercurio isn't somebody's bitch is that that somebody is halfway across the fucking country.
Some ghouls get embraced. Most vampires aren't willing to get rid of their slave that can operate during the day in order to do so though. Why get rid of a loyal servant and replace her with a potential rival?
Blood bonding removes the risk. You lose the utility of the ghoul, but there are always more kine.
chair to Creation and then suplex the Void.
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