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Ayn Rand?
If anyone else has read Atlas Shrugged, does anyone else see the similarities?
Not in the plot, but in the philosophy about man.
Perhaps I am just grasping at straws, but I thought it might be worth discussion.
If anyone else has read Atlas Shrugged, does anyone else see the similarities?
Not in the plot, but in the philosophy about man.
Perhaps I am just grasping at straws, but I thought it might be worth discussion.
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Hell, the final boss
The game was an example of why it wouldn't work.
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I mean, except for the rew part.
Secondly, everything about the game reminded me of Atlas Shrugged, but I did not follow the development of the Bioshock, so I had no idea that they admitted to borrowing so heavily from Ayn Rand. I was just surprised by how blatently suimilar it was, even in the name.
I appologize for pointing out what was, apparently, obvious to other people as well.
I totally agree that Atlas Shrugged should be mandatory reading as well, if it wasn't so damn long, I must admit I never finished it myself. I got to about page 650, said "fuck this" and researched the ending.
I mean, if you take it to extremes, I guess one could call it an objectivist wankfest, but mostly it seems like a fairly reasonable critique of American public education.
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We're talking about the superhero cartoon comedy, right?
Where the hell was the critique of American public education?
And what's objectivist about it? Rand said that the best and brightest should leave the society that's holding them back. The superheroes in the Incredible do the opposite: they use their powers to help society. When society decides they should stop, a lot of them do, and those that don't try to keep helping society secretly, and society goes on just fine with (almost) no superhero activity. If it were an objectivist movie, all the superheroes would have and started their own society elsewhere, and just watched passively as the normal world crumbled without them.
Not being able to properly serve the needs of advanced students/encouraging mediocrity?
Extraordinary people need to hold themselves back because the ignorant normal people are frightened and hateful, etc. etc.
Yeah, but it could also easily be interpreted as more standard kiddy-movie morals, i.e., tolerance of difference.
Not really, the differences were never tolerated. The Incredibles just accepted that they had to hold themselves back.
Doesn't make the message any less present or important.
And more importantly, superior people accepting to hold themselves back for the sake of the inferior people is about as far away from objectivism as you can get. So even by your interpretation of the movie, it doesn't work.
Oh crap, all these years I've been pronouncing it 'the Burn-Steen Bears.'
I interpreted it as a story about how everyone has their own talents, and by working together we can achieve more than we could alone.
Also, there was a subtle message about Buddy that I found made him into quite the ironic villain, in that he was special, being extremely intelligent, and he could have been a technology-based super hero no problem, had he set out to do so.
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It's not exactly an objectivist "wankfest", but there was some cute references to go with the "the strong should not be shackled by the mediocre" message.
I mean, Ayn Rand is practically in the movie, and one of the characters pulls an Atlas pose. And the architecture.
And no, I don't think it was that they were afraid other people would be afraid. But that when it comes down to it, there's no competition. He would always win. My exposure to kids sports taught me that when there are a few players that are vastly better than everyone else, the game starts to take a severe twist, particularly when parents of the kids that really really suck get involved.
I think I'm rambling, but anyway, I totally didn't see that in that movie.
EDIT: On topic - I am ignorant of Ayn Rand and Atlas Shrugged because, well, to put it plainly, I'm not as 'super' as you guys :P however, my take on Bioshock is that it's a critical look at attempts at utopia. My thoughts is that its impossible to create a truly free society like Andrew Ryan supposedly envisioned. As more people get involved, everyone has a different take on freedom and whoever is the most powerful will become an unintended dictator because their version of 'freedom' is the one that WILL be implemented, by force if necessary.
Well, get used to it, because the book is about a million pages about trains. And how the slaves of society hold the superior man back from his rightful plundering of their lives.
Jesus fuck, I hated that book.
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Well, at least for Americans. :P
(urgh, fake Germanic accents from American actors. One of my pet peeves.)
That and, like the below comic suggested, utopians forget that someone has to clean the tiolets, gather the trash, and till the soil.
That's how Frank Fontaine undermined Rapture; fake altruisim twords the "little guy".
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Edit: Brave New World really is fantastic. I love that it doesn't really slant itself terribly either way -- I mean, yes, obviously Huxley considered it to be a dystopia, but it wasn't painted as one-sidedly as 1984, and I just love that the all-Alpha society was an utter failure.
I loved and hated that book at the same time.
Anyone reccomend me moving on to Atlas Shrugged since I read this? Or would I be walking into some kind of Carnival of linguistic pain?
This is like claiming that there are no Kursoawa references in Star Wars because Skywalker isn't Japanese
Yeah, kindly contribute something of value or gtfo.